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They started attracting those students when the tax funds were slashed years ago. So education is taking a large hit
Let alone economy in general and casual workers in particular everywhere.



It is unknown how the lawyer contracted it, and it went undiagnosed for days after he exhibited symptoms as medica..."
Oh! That poor woman-feeling as though she has to explain herself. I can only imagine what it is like for her right now-and then having 3 family members to worry about.
I had to go to my hospital yesterday, both my doctor's have their practice in the complex. Normally, during flu season, there are signs with a box of surgical masks below-no masks. My husband had a holy fit (embarrassing me a bit) wanting to know where the masks were at. I had to laugh though, when the receptionist, in a dead-pan voice with no expression said "People have walked out with the boxes and now we cannot get a re-supply". I laughed, because we both knew this, he was just being a curmudgeon-he sheepishly backed away.

Good luck for me working from home
Oh Idit, she sounds like the daughter I raised-LoL (sorry, but it is a little cute)-When my daughter got her first report card at the bottom where the teachers write a comment or two, this is what it said
"Natalie has grand opinions, though she needs to watch her delivery- fine qualities, if she were 16"....she was 7!

He will find his way Amy-My own daughter took her dear sweet time, and all is well. I am sure if the SAT is cancelled, it will be rescheduled at a safer point in time. After all, this is the whole country, not one or two States. This could have a sliver lining, perhaps that is what he needs, just a wee bit more time❤

I can see this with my own children (especially my middle, almost 17-year old, son) who is struggling with identity issues and mild anxiety (my husband, his father, suffers from severe anxiety and hasn't worked for 5 years so this us a real concern). He is not struggling with school work, but he is not ready to go the straight and narrow study-university-road either, and may never be.
I myself drifted around for 10 years after gymnasium (sort of equivalent to high school) before I started library school, and I'm now a happy librarian.
Hope he finds his way.

You have some good ideas! I feel like the school hasn't thought this through at all. Including compensation - - certainly for unused room and board, but frankly I think some of the tuition should be refunded too (guarantee that won't be happening but my son attends one of the most expensive universities and has no aid, so frankly it doesn't seem to me that online classes justify the expense).
But forget about the money . . .I think we can safely assume this virus will be everywhere soon enough, and people ultimately are likely to be exposed unless they severely restrict their activities - - so does it really matter if they are exposed at college or in their hometowns at the end of the day? I don't really believe these actions are going to make a difference, especially since they are making all the kids return to campus and pick up their stuff right after they have all been away on spring break. And many of them will bring their parents to help them move out.
Oh well, I need to stop complaining and accept the situation because it is what it is . . .I'm grateful for so many other things and I need to focus on that. Like this wonderful book community!! Where I can vent on occasion.

I think it is easy to forget that just because you don't get sick doesn't mean there aren't ripple effects to the people around you. I'm not personally worried about me but I'm so incredibly worried if I cause my mom to get sick. The morbidity rate for her age group is just so scary high.
We've decided to self-quarantine while there is so much unknown. There are still so many people here that haven't been tested.
My mom was getting stir crazy yesterday so I took her up into the mountain to a super cute drive thru coffee place and then to the library where she sat in the car. We used lysol wipes on the books I picked up (Frankissstein: A Love Story and Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol) and then I used sanitizer as I got into the car.

And, as a second semester college senior I would have been DEVASTATED to miss out on that time of traditions, spending time with friends, and celebrating. I totally understand those feelings.
While it certainly feel extreme and potentially overreactive now, we cannot know if we would have wished we would have taken these exact steps three weeks from now. And, the downside, is that if these steps work, then there will be people who still claim they were unnecessary because, see? the apocalypse didn't come. It is a lose-lose for health professionals and academic administrators.
I found this article extremely informative, and it explains that these measures aren't really to stop the spread of coronavirus, but to slow it down so that we do not overwhelm our medical system. Which seems to be a real concern. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health...
Anita, I would totally be interested to hear your husbands thoughts on it. Are they seeing an influx of patients? Does the hospital think that is a possibility? Do they have concerns about providing adequate space and care if this really takes off? I am not sure if Baltimore has had any confirmed cases yet....
I do not doubt that some of this is blown out of proportion a bit, and our lovely media definitely plays into that. But, when it comes to controlling the spread of a disease, it does feel like it has to be a bit all or nothing.
And maybe cancelling classes for the rest of the semester is extreme, perhaps the one week extension of spring break is more realistic. Or a reasonable date at which a school will reassesss (I think that Yale has moved online until April 5th, but will be reassessing if it needs to be longer). These all seem like options schools should weigh, but I definitely support taking action while weighing them instead of inaction while weighing them.
My work has not been cancelled, but I am implementing the best practices advocated by the CDC (though why can't I stop touching my face?!?) and am cancelling my social plans for the time being (which is pure torture because I am very much an extrovert).
I'm just trying to be prudent and make smart decisions for the long run even if they are burdensome in the short term.

You make many good points. I am surely influenced by my husband's perspective which is that this is an overreaction, but I agree with your assessment that the situation is definitely "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
I think Charlotte's point about the elderly is honestly the most salient one, but in reality people over 80 are at high risk of death every single day. Obviously we don't want to speed it along or unnecessarily expose them to anything (flu, viruses, anything), but I am also not of the mindset that "all actions are worthwhile if even one death is prevented" . . .My dad is 75 (a healthy 75), and I did tell him I didn't think that playing bridge today with everyone touching the cards was maybe the best idea, when he has a cold. So agree we need to watch out for our elderly relatives . . .as best as we can.
Other coronaviruses have pretty much petered out when the summer has arrived and weather has warmed. My husband believes there will be a peak of the virus, and then the summer will mitigate it. Granted, he is not a specialist in infectious disease, but he does have good judgement. Hopefully we have a vaccine sooner rather than later (The Gates Foundation is throwing a lot of money at vaccine development).
Maryland has six cases identified thus far. None at my husband's hospital as of yet. Only one person has presented for testing at my husband's hospital, and they didn't have it. Baltimore, interestingly, seems much less panicked than other places. My Harris Teeter is fully stocked, whereas the Wegmans in the county is completely out of toilet paper and had to restrict purchases. I guess when you face murder on a daily basis, a virus doesn't seem so scary.
The one argument I do think is the most compelling is slowing the spread so we can handle the influx of respiratory patients should such an influx manifest itself. That seems like a very valid concern. I'm just not sure how shuttering colleges really contributes the most to that end. I do have more respect for the schools who are extending break for two weeks and then are open to re-evaluating. My half sister's school is not making the kids move their stuff out (unlike my son's school), and that seems like a much more humane and sensible approach.
All in all, my son will get over the loss of his semester, and it will be a story to tell . . .but it is what it is, and I just am happy to vent and move on!

I love how you came up with a little outing for your mom. You sound like a very loving daughter!!


My son's school is planning to stay open for now--it is often listed Number 1 in contemporary dance and is in very top of the Musical theatre lists, plus it shares many faculty members with more famous music schools--there is no way to do many of these classes online so we are hoping it stays open. It's a fairly small community BoCo and Berklee--they are merged).
This is going to be bad for the world economy, and I am on the fence about how many people will need hospitalization in the college age group. The primary victims of this are middle aged and older, often smokers or people with respiratory problems.
New England Conservatory is planning to stay open as well.
It really does wreak havoc for international students who live in dorms and are on visas, etc and in Boston, an overgrown college town, the college/medical group is one of the largest employment sectors.
There are a number of hospitals associated with the med schools in Boston, including but not limited to top schools such as Harvard, Tufts and Boston University. In fact, my daughter was re-diagnosed at a hospital affiliated with Harvard. Plus there are all of the nursing schools there, etc.
Such a tough situation!

I will also openly admit that my opinion changed when NY Governor quarantined part of New Rochelle. That is not that far from where I live and an almost literal stone's throw from where many of my coworkers live.
Not that I am full on panicking or stocking food (I did buy TP but it was legitimately on the list and I bought a normal amount!), but the New Rochelle thing feels eerily close.
It is interesting to hear Richard's perspective. He may not be an epidemiologist, but definitely a professional with many many years of experience with hospitals!
Basically, I am highly susceptible to outside influence and now I am wavering back toward "overreaction." Maybe I can go get wine with my friends tomorrow! lol

Now. like Nicole, I am panicking. My daughter is a reporter for the County newspaper and is out in public constantly-working from home, so in out all day long. This may sound crass, but I am not worried she will get sick, I am concerned she will bring into the house. My husband is a healthy 70, but my immune system is not as strong as it once was. I have gone into Mom mode and given her hand sanitizer for her purse, car, bedroom-Now if she will only remember to be cautious and use it! Being extra diligent with hand washing, but what else can one do?

I'm NOT panicking! Don't panic! I am just trying to be reasonably prepared should I be able to work from home.

What makes me fearful is the inadequacy (to me) of our so-called protective garb. When I visited a patient with normal flu last week, I was given a paper thin gown to wear over my clothes as a barrier. I was then told that these same gowns are to be used with the corona patients (???).

On the one hand I am not susceptible to viruses like this and normally would not be worried, but on the other hand I was irked that I forgot the new nitrile gloves I bought for housecleaning (can't tolerate the powder in most gloves) when I came to Beantown today. Most of the time I am not at all concerned about this sort of thing now that my kids are basically grown up, but this one is getting under my skin at times.
Now, as a child with a very vivid imagination I had a real thing about germs that I grew out of, but now I am starting to lean back that way with all of this today.
I was so happy when you brought up the gloves and zinc thing earlier, and now you, one of my mainstays of scientific common sense, are tipping as well :) LOL!
I must be strong, I must resist temptation to hypochondria and extreme germophobia...


On the one hand, I understand your concern, but this is not nearly as bad as ebola and other things that are far scarier :) :) :) Plus you can wash your clothes, etc. later I would only be really concerned if children or others with compromised immune systems are going to be touching your clothes or the coverings that you wear around those with corona virus.

You can catch up on your reading...😉-but seriously, it is better to be safe. This ugly virus is attacking Europe with everything it's got, and friend I have been worried for and about you. Now that I know you will be safely tucked into your home I feel a little better.

Norway and Denmark have a 4th and 7th place in cases per capita, so no wonder they take it seriously.


The SAT has been officially canceled, which by this point I have been expecting. I just wish there was some more news around that so we could know what to do next. But to be honest I think way beyond that personal small wrinkle, what I see happening in Massachusetts, is that it looks like they’re going to close every school for about two weeks so they can wipe this thing out. All of the schools around us are closing down fast. I’m waiting for the announcement of ours. Honestly that’s probably the best thing to do is to stop this thing in its tracks. Many people we know are preparing for a two week quarantine along with the school systems. I’m planning to go to work tonight, and when necessary. I don’t touch anyone, and I’m the only one who touches my door knob. I’m expecting some cancels fairly soon. Things appear to be spinning out of control in Massachusetts.


As someone from a home university with a top 4 seed for both men's and woman's this is pretty disappointing, however understandable.
I have tickets to see Frozen (broadway across america) this weekend with my family, taking my younger nieces and BY DAMNED IT BETTER HAPPEN!
No word of my work changing anything employee-wise. In fact all our company's GMs are currently traveling to our corporate office in California currently, and set to return next week. No visions of working home for me so far.

Wishing you and your son all the best. It's such a pressure cooker - worse now than when I was going through it in ancient history- when there were no SAT tutors and prep was self-study with no real guide on how to do so. Yet this test was so critical to admissions - or so we were told.
I discovered taking SAT that I do poorly on standardized tests. Like far below what my GPA and academic performance would suggest it would be. I ended up labeled an 'overachiever' and it was considered a very negative thing -- and made no sense given my GPA and school work came easily, not because I work really hard! That label haunted me for a long time ... even though those low SAT scores did not stop Barnard, Vasser, Cornell, and 2 state schools from accepting me.
So I feel for your son. Just keep supporting and helping and guiding him. He will come out the otherside wonderfully.

I've come to the conclusion that nursing homes are the worst place for people with respiratory issues, because they multiply the opportunities to get pneumonia, even without a flu or epidemic.
Charlotte I know what you're going through with your mother. When my husband and I got the flu a few years ago, it almost killed my mother. (She was in and out of hospitals for 5 months and now she has a trach tube.) I felt so guilty. We thought we were careful but it wasn't enough. It's hard to prevent transmission in a family no matter how much you clean. Think of all the surfaces and items people might touch in a normal day. But at one point we were both so sick, we couldn't do much of anything.
My husband went skiing tonight, and I thought great, it's harder to spread germs outside. I just wish he wasn't carpooling.


If I were teaching now, I think I'd be glad that my school was taking time off. One year during flu season, I was appalled when I realized how many doorknobs I had to touch in one day. Each desk, doorknob, computer terminal, and faucet might have many hands touch it each day. Students ate at crowded cafeterias, waited on lines, lived in dormitories with small rooms, and shared bathrooms. I often wish that all public restrooms were designed like those in many airports, where you don't have to touch a doorknob except in the actual stall.
But, teaching an online class is VERY different for a professor who usually uses a traditional combination of lecture, discussion, and team activities. If 25% of a student's grade is based on class participation, it's not easy to set up an online equivalent to that, particularly midstream. It would be very easy to argue that the student isn't getting their money's worth.
There are a lot of ways that colleges can accommodate students when unusual things happen, especially private colleges. The trick is to approach the right people, who might be two or more levels higher than the person you might expect. It really helps if you can quote an example of what another school has done in a similar circumstance. You might get helpful advice from a professor specific to that class or department, and they might know how to get around the red tape.
If I had a student who needed to withdraw from a class mid-semester, the policy didn't allow them to get a tuition refund, but many deans could intervene if the reason was good enough. As a professor, I could also offer to let the student take an incomplete, and retake the class with me in a later semester. I taught MBA classes, with working adults, and we could be pretty flexible. It's harder to do this with full-time students.

My daughter's university (one of the UMass schools) has been on March break this week and is extending their break by one week. My son's has their break next week and will switch to online classes after that. My voice lessons have been suspended because New England Conservatory is switching to online lectures (the college--I take lessons in Cont Ed where one doesn't have to have talent, and Amy, I wouldn't sing with you because at that point I was missing a lot of notes due to bad technique because I haven't been taking long).
So, I'll go to Boston tomorrow so he can get his last listening requirement concert in (they would have probably let him pass since he'd done 7/8 already, but it's important to him) and he's glad he was in so many concerts early on. This will be hard on many, though, including the 4 conducting students--how can you conduct on line? They haven't even had their concert yet (my son is in the Conductor's Orchestra).
I understand taking a pause, which is what my daughter's school is doing a this point. Plus, hers isn't in a major metropolitan area. But it is what it is, and 10 years ago, according to my son, his college couldn't have done this (not sure where he heard this so if that is wrong, it's wrong).
BUT we don't have a camera in our monitor or smart phones (well, my one daughter does) so we have to figure out if a microphone is enough or what we need to do. None of us are Skype or Facetime people at this point. I have two different old cameras for this sort of thing given to me a good 10 years ago that we've never used and that are probably outdated, so I wonder if they'll be a run on that sort of thing or if we dinosaur-computer types are rare enough that it won't be a problem.

I work in a library at a very small university (under 1000 students). We have not cancelled or closed anything (yet). I don't believe even the large universities have, either. I can do some stuff from home, if need be, but most of it, no. I need the books to be able to catalogue them.
I also contra dance. Most of the others are older, and some have health issues. As of a day or two ago, the plan was to continue with our dance (we only hold them once/month) this weekend, but via email discussion today, it sounds like that may change. It's unfortunate, as this is a small group and last year was a really good year, after (I think) a couple of years in the red. This year, I think, hasn't been as good, and if we cancel or continue to have smaller numbers of people come, it might be hard to keep the group going. But, obviously, people's health needs to top that.

My daughter's university (one of the UMass schools) has been on March break this week and is extending their break by one week. My son's has their break next week and will switch to online..."
Ugh.
You can get a webcam from Amazon or other retailer starting at around $25. If you need it . . .

My daughter's university (one of the UMass schools) has been on March break this week and is extending their break by one week. My son's has their break next week and will sw..."
Thanks! That's not bad at all.


I am surrounded by 1500 people daily at work in the recycled air or air-con. The Aus Quarantine centre is 5 mins down the road and uses our school buses to ferry the people from the airport/port to the centre. Our local shopping centre was evacuated and boarded up today due to a suspected case at the doctors.
Do I care and am I washing hands more or not giving my kids high-fives when they want one for doing good work, or not hugging people who want a hug...…..hell no.
Don't get me wrong I don't plan to visit China atm or to start licking door-handles etc but fear of this virus won't stop me living my life with people in it. The fear (and resulting isolation) is truly dangerous to mental health and so long as we are reasonably sensible it is, in my opinion, far more dangerous than a virus unless someone is unfortunate enough to have an underlying medical condition or is very young or old.
I will be doing the weekly shop tomorrow and going to work on Monday as usual. If I get sick I'll use some of the year of sick leave I have saved.


I loved your description of your husband’s bus as a Petrie dish.
It feels so surreal - There should be more isolation and less financial drama. I work in a newspaper and today I did dozen of share prices graphs - everything is spinning out of control. And this is no Ebola!
It feels like 2020 is a start of something new - in Australia for the last three months we had fire, floods, drought, huge hail, pandemic...
Feel very biblical :)

My kids are not pleased with the closings, but since they both commute I am trying to tell them to look at the bright side with the $$ they are saving in commuting costs. Plus my son will be able to get enough sleep because he won't have to take the 5:45 am commuter bus 5 days per week. My daughter drives (my kids have to pay for their driving so only one has a car so far and her grandmother gave it to her when she gave up driving on her 92nd birthday).


Dystopia is becoming reality! ;)

Nnnnooooo!!!! I only have 6 books at home to get me through!
Books mentioned in this topic
The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society (other topics)Frankissstein: A Love Story (other topics)
Quit Like a Woman: The Radical Choice to Not Drink in a Culture Obsessed with Alcohol (other topics)
Her new favourite saying (as I try to read our Vikings-tagged book to her and she is unable to sit still and listen): ‘I flunked obedience class’
Good luck for me working from home
This whole situation is surreal
The shops are lacking basic items (if you eat an unhealthy white man diet) ... cheap grated cheese, white sugar, white flour, white bread, all pasta
But if you go as far as lentils/ brown rice/ raw sugar - it’s all there
Toilet paper though is precious commodity