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Footnotes > OT CORNAVIRUS from my dad, MD, who doesn't worry a lot about every virus

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message 101: by Theresa (new)

Theresa | 15554 comments I have books to mail if needed! Plus I believe ebook borrowing will still be available.


message 102: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl Coppens | 599 comments Thank you Idit. I agree this is feeling a little bizarre at this point. A little common sense would go a long way. What is the world coming to - no toilet paper and libraries closing!


message 103: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Nikki wrote: "OK, I can cope with my husband working from home and homeschooling the children for six weeks, but now the libraries are shutting too - the end of the world is upon us!!!!! ;-)"

Yes, homeschooling without the library is less fun. Are you able to get there and take out a bunch of books, etc, before it closes?


message 104: by Karin (last edited Mar 13, 2020 02:56PM) (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Too bad you don't all live here where both the public schools and libraries are still planning to remain open as of this afternoon. That said, I might make another library run tomorrow if I can make a good plan. I don't want to slow my reading down and don't do ebooks. I read in my off screen time.


message 105: by Rachel N. (new)

Rachel N. | 2242 comments My local library announced today they are closing as of Sunday with an unknown reopening date. I had to stop by today and get 6 books to hold me through along with what I already have checked out. Made my book lover heart happy to see a picture the library posted of a line of people wrapped around the first floor of the library waiting to check out books.
The store situation near me is insane. I lucked into getting toilet paper since I just happened to be there when they were bringing some out from a delivery. I understand the need to isolate to protect people but the whole scene with grocery shelves being completely emptied throughout half the store is ridiculous.


message 106: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12931 comments Our library is closed indefinitely....


message 107: by Jen (last edited Mar 13, 2020 04:38PM) (new)

Jen (jentrewren) | 1114 comments Hilde wrote: "Not meaning any offence, Jen, but this is far bigger than just ourselves. Isolation might be needed for a limited time period to prevent the virus to spread to fast so that we have necessary medica..."

Sure if you have been exposed but if you haven't you have to get on with life or that negatively affects others. We still have to do our jobs and keep the economy ticking over. Of course you would not deliberately put yourself or others in danger but there is a difference between being sensible and causing a bigger problem.

Plus our kids are bussed in from 100+Km away and many have no internet so our school closing would really be a last resort especially since 6 weeks out, or whatever some have said is happening elsewhere, would mean some kids would fail year 12 and their whole high school.

We are a pretty sturdy bunch of country bumpkins though and there is plenty of fresh air after work.


message 108: by Karin (last edited Mar 13, 2020 07:13PM) (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Well, at 5 pm they announce that both the regular public school and the VoTech school in this town will be closed for one week. I hope it's not longer, but am wondering how many of the teachers have kid in other school districts that have announced longer closings already, etc, etc.

I plan to make a library run every day as long as it's open to swap books I can take a lot out at once, so might do a good search for what they have at my branch. I often rely on interlibrary loans, though.

So, I decided that with the panic I ought to go check food stores and was amazed at the wiped out shelves and was told their incoming orders are shrinking so I had to stock up. I had to buy things I normally wouldn't and to go to three stores because I have more allergies and sensitivities than you want to hear about, plus I have my family who will get bored very quickly with the sorts of things I keep on hand in bulk (lentils, bran, oats, flour, split peas).


message 109: by Jen (new)

Jen (jentrewren) | 1114 comments Karin wrote: "Well, at 5 pm they announce that both the regular public school and the VoTech school in this town will be closed for one week. I hope it's not longer, but am wondering how many of the teachers hav..."

The world has gone mad.....our town is out of bog roll.


message 110: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12931 comments Karin, since we are possibly on the same inter library loan system, I just want to say, When the library is closed in even one town, I have no idea how that holds things up, but I imagine it does. Governor Baker's shut down may get even more creative as this goes on. That said, its still busy out there.

Stay well. For everyone.


message 111: by Joanne (last edited Mar 14, 2020 08:34AM) (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments My library closed will, re-assess in one week. If they must remain closed they are considering drive-up service. The inter-library in Michigan will be shut down completely, I believe, as each county decides what comes into and out of their space. If the schools go to on line learning, our library is critical. There are pockets of neighborhoods without internet and families without access to computers.

Restaurants and community activists are stepping up big time and offering free meals to kids and the elderly who normally would only get breakfast and lunch at school and/or through the Community reach out programs.


message 112: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12931 comments That’s great to hear Joanne. I remember how DC restaurants stepped up during the government shut down. We need to show up well for this crisis and take care of those in need.


message 113: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments A wonderful written piece from Mitch Albom in yesterdays Detroit Free Press-posting here and in thread Karin started

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/co...


message 114: by Karin (last edited Mar 14, 2020 12:00PM) (new)

Karin | 9232 comments I just read an article about a man who claims he is stuck with about 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer because Amazon shut down this sort of up-pricing and he "doesn't know what to do with it." He went and cleared out many stores of this stuff so he could make a profit. Hello--he could donate it!

I have nothing against people buying non-staples at deals they might see in a local store going out of business and reselling them on ebay and Amazon if they don't glut out the market, but this sort of action regarding health, particularly with masks, is hurting those who really need them. Yes, it costs him more than he paid for them to ship them, etc, but people like him helped make this a crisis.


message 115: by Book Concierge (new)

Book Concierge (tessabookconcierge) | 8422 comments Our library is still open, but with the governor declaring a public health emergency (there are exactly 8 confirmed cases in Wisconsin; two in my county), our libraries may be forced to close. As the theatres, concert halls, etc have been forced to close due to social distancing requirements of no gatherings of over 200.

All toys in the children's area had already been removed. It's impossible to adequately sanitize the books. (Yes, they can wipe down those hardcovers with plastic covers, but what about all the paperbacks? Magazines? Newspapers?) The Friends book sale, which was to be next weekend was cancelled / postponed. Due to the proposed book sale programming was already halted for the next 10 days (the sale takes up the only community meeting space our little library has). I'm sure they'll cancel other programming as well. But our library (like so many others) is a major resource for families who home-school.

There's some discussion of drive-up service if the library is forced to close ... but we'll only be able to check out books from our own little library, as the transfer of books from other libraries in the system will be halted. A significant majority of the books I read come from other libraries in the system.... probably 80% or more. Wonder if they'll let me drive over to another library to get the book(s) I want.


message 116: by Book Concierge (new)

Book Concierge (tessabookconcierge) | 8422 comments Oh, and do NOT get me started on the frenzy at the grocery store!


message 117: by Nikki (new)

Nikki | 663 comments Karin wrote: "Yes, homeschooling without the library is less fun. Are you able to get there and take out a bunch of books, etc, before it closes?"

We have access to a lot of online resources including our school's subscriptions to e-book services etc, so I'm not so worried about that. I did take my daughter to the library yesterday just to pick up a few bits, and it was insane - like a frantic closing-down sale, with the children's fiction in particular absolutely decimated, and the family next to us checking out huge piles of books - I heard the mum tell one of her sons to put some back as he had maxed out his card - we're allowed 50 books at a time!


message 118: by Book Concierge (new)

Book Concierge (tessabookconcierge) | 8422 comments Just got an email from our library director ... Library is closed ... but curb-side pick-up will be available beginning on Monday. Last inter-library loan delivery will be on Monday.

I know there are at least six books waiting for me right now... on the shelf at MY library.

As of right now planned re-opening is April 1 ... so just over 2 weeks. But that remains fluid ....


message 119: by Karin (last edited Mar 14, 2020 04:06PM) (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Book Concierge wrote: "Our library is still open, but with the governor declaring a public health emergency (there are exactly 8 confirmed cases in Wisconsin; two in my county), our libraries may be forced to close. As t..."

Yes, I heard that the toys have been removed in our children's library--I went there to check out a Kipling that wasn't upstairs.


message 120: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Nikki wrote: "Karin wrote: "Yes, homeschooling without the library is less fun. Are you able to get there and take out a bunch of books, etc, before it closes?"

We have access to a lot of online resources inclu..."


Yes, times have changed. Also, my eldest's behaviour got much worse with screen time, so it wasn't an option. I often forget how much is online--back then and even moreso now.


message 121: by NancyJ (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11080 comments While everyone is cancelling events with a lot of people, the grocery stores have been full of people touching things, waiting on long lines, talking to one another. I couldn’t help wonder if we were all putting ourselves at risk. We have the basics, but we made a list of things we would need for a long quarantine.

Then we heard we have the first 3 positive cases today in our area. So we quickly decided what we would need to deal with cabin fever...

wine and chocolate


message 122: by Doughgirl5562 (new)

Doughgirl5562 | 960 comments NancyJ wrote: "While everyone is cancelling events with a lot of people, the grocery stores have been full of people touching things, waiting on long lines, talking to one another. I couldn’t help wonder if we we..."

I recommend going shopping early early in the morning. If you know of any 24 hour stores, go at 6am or maybe earlier. Less people, and they restock - if they can - overnight. Also, wear gloves. I'm also taking the extra precaution of washing or Lysoling the outside of every food container coming into my house before storing it. Maybe overkill, but .... Of course, I also have to rinse off the lemon scented Lysol because my cats seem to attracted to the smell and have tried to lick it.


message 123: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments NancyJ wrote: "While everyone is cancelling events with a lot of people, the grocery stores have been full of people touching things, waiting on long lines, talking to one another. I couldn’t help wonder if we we..."

So jealous you have chocolate-it is the one thing I forgot to pick up


message 124: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12931 comments Joanne, you got the wine, right?


message 125: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments I got wine and chocolate. And toilet paper. Not to brag or anything ;)


message 126: by NancyJ (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11080 comments Doughgirl5562 wrote: "NancyJ wrote: "While everyone is cancelling events with a lot of people, the grocery stores have been full of people touching things, waiting on long lines, talking to one another. I couldn’t help ..."

The biggest 24 hour grocery stores in my area had bare shelves, so they shut down from midnight to 6am. I saw a video clip showing a really long line to get in the store this morning.


message 127: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments Amy wrote: "Joanne, you got the wine, right?"

Wine, Whiskey and Ice Cream. My husband, who tries really hard, could not find toilet paper-came home with 28 rolls of Paper Towel....after I explained how that would eventually plug up the plumbing, he went back out and came home with excess Kleenex.....


message 128: by NancyJ (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11080 comments Joanne wrote: .So jealous you have chocolate-it is the one thing I forgot to pick up.
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Johanne wrote: "I got wine and chocolate. And toilet paper. Not to brag or anything ;)"

Funny. It goes to show what's really important!

I didn't even realize I was feeling stressed until I found myself searching all the cabinets and the freezer for chocolate. I had gotten away from my chocolate habit for a long time.


message 129: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12931 comments He tries, Jo! If you need some I will mail you a roll!


message 130: by Book Concierge (new)

Book Concierge (tessabookconcierge) | 8422 comments Joanne wrote: "So jealous you have chocolate-it is the one thing I forgot to pick upp ..."

Who knew I was such a forward thinker? I always check the "last chance" shelves way in the back of my local grocery store (in the hall leading to the "back room") This is where they have mark-downs of seasonal products ... or things they will no longer carry for whatever reason (like that special lavender soap that didn't sell at the hugely inflated price it was originally offered at). Anyway ... a few months back I noticed BOXES of chocolate bars. Dark chocolate with little sugar apparently don't appeal, so I bought two boxes ... i.e. about 24 bars. $5 per BOX. (Originally sold for $5 per bar). I'm all set.

AND ... I have at least 8 boxes of Girl Scout thin mints in the freezer.


message 131: by NancyJ (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11080 comments Joanne wrote: "Amy wrote: "Joanne, you got the wine, right?"

Wine, Whiskey and Ice Cream. My husband, who tries really hard, could not find toilet paper-came home with 28 rolls of Paper Towel....after I explaine..."


LOL. Well, in a pinch, those will all work. You'll just need a garbage pail nearby. Someone else suggested getting a bidet.


message 132: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments Book Concierge wrote: "Joanne wrote: "So jealous you have chocolate-it is the one thing I forgot to pick upp ..."

Who knew I was such a forward thinker? I always check the "last chance" shelves way in the back of my loc..."


Oh BNB...I may take a road trip just for the thin mints


message 133: by Theresa (new)

Theresa | 15554 comments Joanne wrote: "Book Concierge wrote: "Joanne wrote: "So jealous you have chocolate-it is the one thing I forgot to pick upp ..."

Who knew I was such a forward thinker? I always check the "last chance" shelves wa..."


I have thin mints in my freezer too.


message 134: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments So, what are thin mints?


message 135: by Amy (new)

Amy | 12931 comments Lol, Johane. This is an all American construct. Unless we are thinking about the old after 8's from my childhood, which I just saw in the airport in Mexico, as we were flying out. Thin Mints is the original Girl Scout Cookie. Young girls sell them through parents and outside Starbucks, and door to door. They are still the classic girl scout cookie.


message 136: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments I have heard of girl scouts selling cookies (through books of course) but had no idea it's a special cookie. i know after 8's is that it? Or thin cookies with mint? because that sounds delicious.


message 137: by Joanne (last edited Mar 15, 2020 12:34PM) (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments Johanne wrote: "I have heard of girl scouts selling cookies (through books of course) but had no idea it's a special cookie. i know after 8's is that it? Or thin cookies with mint? because that sounds delicious."

They are-very thin nice and crunchy with hint of mint and chocolate covered -Next year I will send you a box (or 8)😁 And that is not the only cookie they sell-quite the variety now days. Our favorites in-house are the peanut butter (same crunchy cookie, with a dollop of PB on top covered in chocolate)


message 138: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments Yes do buy some for me! Does anyone have a good recipe for them?


message 139: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Chocolate--due to my allergies I have PLENTY of the one kind of chocolate chips I can eat, and enough to spare for anyone in the house who runs out. I buy them in bulk online because they aren't cheap.

My middle daughter has TWENTY minutes to empty her stuff out of her university art studio tomorrow--they were already on their March break when the decision to go to all online classes was made. As a sculpture major she can't do it all herself that fast, so my husband and one of her friends are going to help her. I have no idea where she'll store it all and hope her boyfriend has some space


message 140: by Theresa (new)

Theresa | 15554 comments For all unfamiliar with Girl Scout Cookies...I also love Samoas.

https://www.girlscouts.org/en/cookies...


message 141: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments I somehow thought it was much more informal. Like, parents etc. helping their kids bake any kind of cookies to sell to collect money for (this is fuzzy) charitable girl scout activities? I´ll have to rewire my brain now :)


message 142: by Karin (new)

Karin | 9232 comments Johanne wrote: "I somehow thought it was much more informal. Like, parents etc. helping their kids bake any kind of cookies to sell to collect money for (this is fuzzy) charitable girl scout activities? I´ll have ..."

Not in North America :). When I was growing up in Canada we sold Girl Guide cookies door to door--no one where I lived set up tables in front of stores, etc. Back then they didn't have nearly as many kinds of cookies, either.


message 143: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments Johanne wrote: "I somehow thought it was much more informal. Like, parents etc. helping their kids bake any kind of cookies to sell to collect money for (this is fuzzy) charitable girl scout activities? I´ll have ..."

Nope, it is a whole industry. And, trust me, people wait all year long for those cookies to come out.

I use to have a large chest freezer and would buy 3 or 4 of each kind...(did I just admit that aloud??)


message 144: by Johanne (new)

Johanne *the biblionaut* | 983 comments The illusion is blown away...


message 145: by Nikki (new)

Nikki | 663 comments Johanne wrote: "The illusion is blown away..."

This was actually one of the biggest surprises for me when we moved to America.


message 146: by LibraryCin (last edited Mar 15, 2020 07:34PM) (new)

LibraryCin | 11696 comments Joanne wrote: "And that is not the only cookie they sell-quite the variety now days. Our favorites in-house are the peanut butter (same crunchy cookie, with a dollop of PB on top covered in chocolate) ..."

In Canada, we only get the mint cookies at Christmas. The chocolate/vanilla box is available at other times of the year, but we don't have any of the other flavours.

That being said, I've (sadly) stopped buying them because they contain palm oil. :-( I know, (almost) everything contains palm oil, and I hate it, but I've been trying (for years) to cut our what I can.


message 147: by Booknblues (new)

Booknblues | 12090 comments LibraryCin wrote: "Joanne wrote: "And that is not the only cookie they sell-quite the variety now days. Our favorites in-house are the peanut butter (same crunchy cookie, with a dollop of PB on top covered in chocola..."

Thanks for sharing that Cin, I also avoid buying anything with palm oil.

Rain forests are being destroyed and orangutans are killed. :(


message 148: by NancyJ (last edited Mar 15, 2020 09:21PM) (new)

NancyJ (nancyjjj) | 11080 comments Today is traditionally a big drinking day in Buffalo, in celebration of St Patrick's Day. The parades were cancelled, but I saw on the news that a lot of people went downtown to the bars anyway, dressed in green. We didn't have any cases until yesterday so a lot of people aren't taking it seriously yet.

On TV, we can see the list of things that are closed tomorrow. The lists seems longer than when we have a blizzard. If all the schools close, the hospitals are worried that too many employees will have to stay home with their kids. This is one time when parents should NOT ask grandma to babysit the kids.


message 149: by Book Concierge (new)

Book Concierge (tessabookconcierge) | 8422 comments Karin wrote: "My middle daughter has TWENTY minutes to empty her stuff out of her university art studio tomorrow--..."

Last week my brother told me his youngest was going to have to leave her dorm at quarter end (i.e. this coming Friday, Mar 20) and not return for next quarter, which will be done entirely on-line.

Yesterday I called him to remind him that we could easily store her "stuff" in our basement / garage. He told me "She's on her way home already .. should arrive in a couple of hours. " Apparently her mother told her to see if the Univ would store anything for her. She was allowed to store "up to 5 boxes" and my Sister-in-law told her to just leave the rest.

My husband and I are just 90 miles away and would have happily gone down to Chicago to help, but we were never asked.

(When another distant relative was in college here in Wisconsin some years back we stored her stuff every summer ... and I know my SIL knew about this.)


message 150: by Joanne (new)

Joanne (joabroda1) | 12584 comments All bars and restaurants are closing at 3PM today, here in Michigan. They will be allowed to offer drive-through????? Did I miss the part were cooks and servers are immune?


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