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I thought she was generous and also accurate -- not easy with this one."
I went ahead and ordered a copy. While I understand it may not be anywhere near his best, I love this style of meta-narrative that I'm reading about. My favorite Tanizaki thus far that I've read is "Devil's in Daylight" which is another meta style narrative (in that case he discusses film, by showing people witness a murder behind a screen, where also the killer is too close at first and has to move away like a cinematic close up). Playing with narratives about his own writing and that of another... that is absolutely intriguing to me.

I thought she was generous and also accurate -- not easy with t..."
Same here. I'm not familiar with Devil's in Daylight. Is it a short story?

More short novel than short story. The hardcover edition I have is about 87 pages, with generous font/spacing. It makes up for its length by being a fascinating and very different Tanizaki from all his other works that I've seen. While his usual obsessions are still on display, this one is much more of an examination (and dare I say celebration?) of American and European influence on Japan... which is just odd, given his later works (this was very early into his career). It examines cinema's influence and stories like Poe's The Gold Bug, from a Japanese standpoint.

More short novel than short story. The hardcover edition I have is about 87 pages, with generous font/spa..."
I'll have to find it. Your description is highly intriguing. Thank you, Tim.

I love this novel! One of my favourites of Murakami, and I am very fond of the End of the World section. I hope you stick with it and enjoy it too :)

I'm at chapter 5, which according to the kindle, puts me at about 11%. I have no idea what's going on. Like less idea than your typical Haruki Murakami book. It's still fun to read, but it's really weird. Part of me almost wonders if the problem lies with me and I've forgotten how to read, because man, I have had poor luck reading this year anything that's not YA for my own pleasure.
One thing though is that (view spoiler)

This is technically a "done reading" but I haven't written my review yet. The Beast Player is good. Read it. It's Young Adult, but honestly my brother thinks it's aimed more at Adults. Agree to Disagree I guess.
Talking to my brother, who has read the first volume in Japanese, but not the second (though he has it) the English volume -may- comprise multiple Japanese volumes. Possibly all of them. At least 2 of them. Unless my brother has a bad memory.
There's some anime for the series, so he knew what I was talking about when I brought up plot points, but he would also say "no I don't remember reading that".
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6-4 is great, enjoy.

6-4 is great, enjoy."
I hope by beginning, you mean, perhaps 25 pages :) thanks, Josh.

Example of an oft seen single translation work... always begging to know why no more...

Example of an oft seen single translation work... always begging to know why no more..."
Odd also because he’s quite a prolific author -right?

@J, Did you finish Quicksand? I'm curious what you thought of it.



I don't know a thing. I do wish the font were larger, however.


Oooh, I'm a big YA fan. Been reading a lot of it lately since I've been so stressed with school. I stopped reading Uglies after the 3rd book, but maybe that will be different with you!
I put it on hold, but I got through the first book of I am a Cat. I felt it had a very "Cat-like" voice, so I think it could be a fun one, but it is quite a commitment. Not Les Mis bad, but, still. Personally, if you haven't, I'd recommend A Cat, A Man, and Two Women I know the book is oldish, but I honestly didn't realize when I read it. It felt modern. And I found it hilarious. I think I want to give it to cat fans.
I'm reading "I Capture the Castle" by Dodie Smith which people seem to love, so I'm hoping I will too.

Oooh, I'm a big YA fan. Been reading a lot of it lately since I've been so stressed with school. I s..."Thanks for your suggestion Rhea. Yes, that was one of the things that kept me from starting "I Am a Cat", its length. The book I want to get is just volumes 1-3. I thought I might read just part of it. Your suggestion sounds neat though! I recently read a YA book called Earth Girl. Its a story that takes place in the future when people can portal. However, some people can't and they get really sick from it. Those people have to stay on Earth and are called "handicapped". Its a study of how people feel about disabilities and the self esteem problems of faced by those who have the disabilities. In that way, it sort of resembles the Uglies. That's how I first got interested in it. Also, it provides a very imaginative description of what Earth could be like in the future.


Urgh. I completely forgot to mention not to read the introduction. I don't know why they put those in books. "Hello reader of this book we know you haven't read before! We're gonna tell you everything that happens!"
I suspect it comes off more cat-like in Japanese due to pronoun usage. IIRC it uses a pretty smug "I" for the cat. I think the Wikipedia page when I last checked angrily indicated the title should be "We are a cat".
This is blatant back-pedaling, but maybe cat-like actions would be a better word. Like my cat eats everything. Like you're an obligate carnivore and yet you're trying to eat my sandwich which doesn't have meat in it. Or my ice cream.
I recall food stealing (though maybe not literally from people's plates. Don't remember).
There's plenty of cat interaction with cattier cats, but I don't recall any puffiness which is a shame because that is literally my favorite part of cats other than the noises.
I think the point of the book if I recall from the Introduction after I stopped reading it was it was more about making observations in a satirical manner.
Book 1 lacked:
GO AWAY CAT. *nuzzle nuzzle* *knocks down vases because he hasn't been fed* GO AWAY CAT.
Clearly I can do a better job than Soseki at writing cats!
There's also The Guest Cat but I recommend that with caveats: The cat is not the main character, and you will not know everything that happens (the second part upset a lot of people regarding that book). If you can accept those two caveats, I recommend it, it's relaxing, but I personally prefer Tanizaki's book more. Also if you read it, there are cultural notes in the back about stuff that seemed fairly obscure to me.
Also not sure of the best place to put this: GR recommended to me Forbidden Colors, which seems safe (after some bad experiences I usually don't read a Mishima without recommendation, but either way I'm reading Sea of Fertility first). I wanted some thoughts before I added this to my reading list. I don't know anyone whose read any more Mishima than I have ;_;

As to introductions, I agree they often contain spoilers. But they also contain context about the author and the time and place where the book was written, to help you understand the intended audience. But I do skip over the spoiler-laden parts of introductions, too.

In fact, I feel wronged when, as at the moment, I pay full price for a 2013 publication of a classic novel (first published in 1964), and there is nothing but the text. But I digress...

Honestly, how old does something have to be before the word 'spoiler' no longer applies? Yes, I once saw someone complain about the following spoiler:
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Another good point. I saw a No-spoiler thread set up for a group read of Romeo and Juliet earlier this year and shook my head for a good hour thereafter.

Hilarious. I'm guessing it's probably intended for a very young group of readers? Hard to imagine going through life for more than 20 years without knowing all the 'spoilers' in R&J :)

Hilarious. I'..."
Sadly, no. Adult classics book club. Tending toward over-40.
I think this is one of those areas where there is a sizable gulf between the two camps. One of my favorite mods on GR is so energized about avoiding spoilers in any novel that she opposes even the creation of a spoilers-permitted thread because some spoilers could become known to her via the daily update email to which she subscribes. OTOH, I frequently read the last five pages of many books before deciding to buy them.
Mutual respect is the only way we readers co-exist. lol.


I've read:
Confessions of a Mask: (Fav)
The Temple of the Golden Pavillion:
The Sound of the Waves
Sun and Steel:
Patriotism:
The last two I hated. I picked them up because a librarian directed me to the Mishima section and clearly wanted me to leave (maybe her shift was up?) so I grabbed at random.
I guess the way I'd put it is, Darkness is great, self-hatred is great (not in real life please. Please love yourself), or being pretty. The last two frankly came off as "Head up his ass political screeds". Like I was reading a prettily-written pamphlet and not a book.
Like if you had told me that those two were what he had written before the Mishima incident, I would have believed you.



I started reading A Cat, A Man and Two Women last night! I am really enjoying much more than I Am a Cat. I think the humor in it is just funnier! I thought I Am a Cat was just boring. (view spoiler)


Joanne, you read the first book in the series together with this group, remember? It was Spring Snow.


I can't say, because I haven't actually read the last book :)
What do you think Bill? You've read them all right?

Ok. Thanks Bill! I liked other Mishima novels but I don't think I would like Forbidden Colors. I don't go for a lot of sexual content and from the description, that's a major topic it covers.
I liked Spring Snow for the beautiful yet not too wordy language. Also, I liked watching the characters develop and mature. The story was very engaging. There was a lot of suspense. Maybe I should go on with the rest of the series on my own. What do you all think?
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I thought she was generous and also accurate -- not easy with this one.