just didn't find it as intresting or intriguing, but her writing structure was good and the idea of her story lasting till this day is remarkable.

[Petergiaquinta]

Actually...anyone want a little Indo-European roots lesson here? This might even be a little funny...the name "Anamika" means "nameless one."

It's from the Sanskrit branch of Indo-European. "Nam" is "name," just like English or French, etc.; "a" is a prefix meaning the absence of, another commonality in some Indo-European tongues (for example, in English [my first language] we have "atypical" meaning "not typical"); and the "ika" is a feminine dminutive, quite common on the Indian subcontinent (Bhumika, Rhadika, Anamika, etc.) and not unfamiliar in other Indo-European languages as well.

So, you are the nameless one, and that was my point back in 303. Don't blame Tytti for being mean to you. I used it first and with purpose. And whether it's truly your name or not, it's what your name means. And I find that a bit humorous...

I also suggested you could explain your statements, and as usual you didn't. As much as I wish you were a bot, you aren't. You're just a kid trying to make her way on the Interwebs and you've found that annoying people is one way to get attention. And on 303 I suggested you could tell us what your background is and it could put all this speculation to rest. You just like to push buttons instead of providing explanations, but I'll help you out here.

So here's one explanation (not necessarily true, but I bet it's close to the truth): you're a south Indian, Tamil or Kannada, as I suggested. So your bloodline is not "Indo-European." (Although be careful, because in a vast crossroads melting pot like South Asia it's hard to say what exactly people's heritage is.) You do speak English "officially" as it is one of the official languages of India, and thus you can claim it isn't a second language for you, although it most likely is because probably your house language isn't English. So, technically, you could call it a "first" language even though your English isn't as good as Tytti's, a Finn and therefore a non-Indo-European anyway you want to define it and for whom English is probably a third or fourth language. But I'd suggest that's because European schools seem to teach English much better than Indian ones, even English language medium schools in India.

Or an old man in Papua-New Guinea. That's my second guess.

[Renee E]

Peter, you have obviously had your coffee! :D

[Tytti]

I don't remember calling Anamika a nameless one but who cares...

The reason I don't really think there is a "Indo-European bloodline" is that Indians and Norwegians don't really have much in common with Iranians or Russians.

And for most Finns English is the second (first foreign) language we study. The third is Swedish and most won't study a fourth, though I have.

[Petergiaquinta]

Renee wrote: "Peter, you have obviously had your coffee! :D"

Tea this morning...but thank you.

And getting a round of applause from Charlie Sheen may be the biggest thing that's ever happened to me in my sad little life!

[Paul Martin]

She doesn't annoy me either, but she obviously craves attention, which is why I don't feel one bit bad about messing around with her.

And yes, I use my real name, although I don't blame others for not doing the same.

[Petergiaquinta]

Tytti wrote: "I don't remember calling Anamika a nameless one but who cares... "

Yeah, sorry, that was Paul Martin...your two icons confuse me sometime.

[Paul Martin]

Yeah, that was me. Are you the one who used it first? I remember someone using it on the other dreaded thread. Had to double check, though.

[Karen]

Petergiaquinta wrote: "Renee wrote: "Peter, you have obviously had your coffee! :D"

Tea this morning...but thank you.

And getting a round of applause from Charlie Sheen may be the biggest thing that's ever happened to ..."


Did someone say coffee? Have I been missing some fun?

[Petergiaquinta]

Paul Martin wrote: "Yeah, that was me. Are you the one who used it first? I remember someone using it on the other dreaded thread. Had to double check, though."

I may have used it first here...I haven't taken a peek at that other thread for many weeks. I don't think I want to revisit it.

How about this, though? Since I've often gotten discussion off track (if that's possible on this thread), I'll do my best here to return the thread back to the discussion of Anne Frank.

Anyone like Jeff Mangum and Neutral Milk Hotel? Anyone got anything to say about his In the Aeorplane over the Sea and the connections to Anne Frank there? That's an amazing album and more folks should listen to it. I'm not sure exactly what Mangum is doing throughout the album as a whole, but, among other things, it's a sad meditation on Anne Frank by a troubled person in the present.

[Karen]

Petergiaquinta wrote:
"Anyone like Jeff Mangum and Neutral Milk Hotel? Anyone got anything to say about his In the Aeorplane over the Sea and the connections to Anne Frank there? That's an amazing album and more folks should listen to it. I'm not sure exactly what Mangum is doing throughout the album as a whole, but, among other things, it's a sad meditation on Anne Frank by a troubled person in the present".

I have not heard him, but after looking him up on wiki and reading about him, his musical genre is something I like. Need to read more.

[Renee E]

Jamie Lynn wrote: "Paul Martin wrote: "She doesn't annoy me either, but she obviously craves attention, which is why I don't feel one bit bad about messing around with her.

And yes, I use my real name, although I do..."

Names or not, it's not that difficult to chase IPs back to an identity unless you're dealing with someone quite savvy. Even then it's not impossible.

No one's really as anonymous as they believe.

[Karen]

Karen wrote: "Petergiaquinta wrote:
"Anyone like Jeff Mangum and Neutral Milk Hotel? Anyone got anything to say about his In the Aeorplane over the Sea and the connections to Anne Frank there? That's an amazing..."

I just listened to this, I like it and I liked his delivery. It was hard to hear just him because the audience was singing too; I was listening to it on my samsung phone, a no no., but a sad, well written song. I like sad songs.

[Renee E]

It's completely understandable and rational to want to protect your child, Jamie. :-)

I've used the net to ferret since the early days of AOL, working for a criminal defense attorney and a bail bond company. There are very few places to hide unless you can stay completely off the grid.

Had a guy trolling the dog forum, found out there was a bet that he could get himself banned. He lost the bet. I didn't ban him, I tracked him down, to the college he went to, where he lived, his real name, the whole bit, and posted enough of what I found out to scare him — and his little buddies, lol. He messaged me and apologized profusely and left.

[Karen]

Renee wrote: "It's completely understandable and rational to want to protect your child, Jamie. :-)

I've used the net to ferret since the early days of AOL, working for a criminal defense attorney and a bail ..."

That's true, sometimes I google myself, just to see what comes up- but I never divulge my location on my phone or ipad. Still, it's never incognito really.

[Renee E]

It's like any other tool: it has no intrinsic morality of its own, its use by the individual determines that.

A hammer is a useful and benign if you want to drive a nail . . . unless you want to drive that nail through someone's head.

[Laura]

Tytti wrote: "But because Indo-European isn't really a term for race or ethnicity, just a language category, at least in a normal use, that doesn't really matter. It's only about the language a person speaks as his/her first language."

There's a difference between opinion and fact. Regardless of everyone's deep interest in Anamika's origins, Indo-European as a term also depicts a race/ethnicity, also called Aryan. You and most people may have stopped using it as such for reasons that may seem obvious, but that's another matter.

About the second not-really-the-topic-of-this-thread topic, usernames are not necessarily a mean to hide. It depends on your actual intentions I guess... How well you may feel that you need to hide?

[Renee E]

Jamie Lynn wrote: "If I wanted to hide I wouldn't be on the internet at all. I actually have no interest in Anamika's background. I'm trying to figure out why people want to pick on her though."

I think the answer lies in the other anti-diary thread.

[Elisa Santos]

Paul Martin wrote: "Oh - And - Don't you have to actually be sleeping with somebody in order to be able to use the "Familar" form in French?

Pas du tout! Or what do you say, Maria?"

Nope! Unless it was you under the bed, last night....but cherie, trying to remember Madame´s classes, it´s a name, a cute one, but does not involve bedding.

With regards to hidding in the internet - i use my real name, although i have a long name and can use any number of combinations. But normally i don´t divulge my location, what i do, where i am at. But there´s no real garantee of safety.

[Mary]

As I said before, if you brew a big pot of coffee and read through Anamikas other thread about hating the diary you will see pages and pages of people asking thoughtful, respectful questions directed toward Anamika asking her to explain her opinion. All her answers are evasive, vague and incomplete. This lead people to question who she really was, as it looked as though she was playing a game to anger people. Her posts are alternately articulate and then fractured English making it seems that more than one person is actually writing the posts. Even now, her comments rarely actually answer any questions and can appear petulant and childish. I personally think she is very young, she was assigned this book to read and didn't want to and therefore wanted others who "hated" the book too so she could use that as justification for not reading it. She does not really discuss the book and repeatedly says how she is too busy to formulate answers. It has caused a great deal of frustration for those who truly wanted to discuss book with her. Some are more frustrated than others.

[Duane]

Paul Martin wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Let's just go back to the diary."

What was the code/program for this again, Duane?"

 switch (post_query.POSTER_QUESTION) {
 case AGREE:
 response.Index_Agree
 break;
 case DISAGREE:
 response.Index_DisAgree
 break;
 case BRAIN_LOCK:
 response.Evade
 break;
 default: 
 response.GetBack2ULater
 }

I noticed something MORE recently but I'll get back 2U L8r

[Duane]

OK it's L8r now

The "First or Second Language" debacle is very interesting. Apparently for some reason the AI system went haywire over that seemingly trivial input!

I theorize that the data-spatial ambiguity suggested by "Someone" that the Amanita might be "Outdo-European", may have produced a stack overflow when one of the tree branches got stuck in an illegal context search and someone failed to include an "Abandon" timer... i.e. it went searching for what "Outdo-European" was, and went into the Twilight Zone of AI...

But it's just a theory... And they seem to have fixed the code - note the new "Return To Topic" exit

(Laura is probably CRISSSssspy Critter by now)

(I COULD BE RIGHT Laura... heh heh)

[Petergiaquinta]

Duane wrote: "I theorize that the data-spatial ambiguity suggested by "Someone" that the Amanita might be "Outdo-European", may have produced a stack overflow when one of the tree branches got stuck in an illegal context search and someone failed to include an "Abandon" timer.."

I am Groot!

[Laura]

Duane wrote: "(Laura is probably CRISSSssspy Critter by now)

(I COULD BE RIGHT Laura... heh heh) "

Only if crisssssssspy critter means bored to death. Then you're totally right. Your posts were funny at times, infuriating at times before; now you're just boring to me.

[Petergiaquinta]

Laura wrote: "Indo-European as a term also depicts a race/ethnicity, also called Aryan. You and most people may have stopped using it as such for reasons that may seem obvious, but that's another matter."

Hitler, such an ass clown, mucking up the language for the rest of us...

"Aryans" also include Gujuratis in India, Pashtuns in Afghanistan, and just about all of Iran, among plenty of other dark-eyed, dark-featured peoples whom Hitler would have not much approved of. I'm not saying we need to get the term back into regular rotation in the West, but in South Asia it's a term of common use. And the swastika is also a common icon you'll see every day.

[Duane]

It wasn't Hitler; that definition of "aryan" way precedes him, and yeah, it's damn near meaningless. (I think the Thule Society and the Ahnenerbe were all wound up over it weren't they...?)

OH! And! Blame PAUL if you're bored. He MADE me do it this time!! (Nyeah nyeah...)

[Tytti]

Petergiaquinta wrote: "the swastika is also a common icon you'll see every day."

Also used by the Finnish Air Force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_...

[Petergiaquinta]

Now that I have more time, I'm going to give this another shot at drumming up some interest in Jeff Mangum's tribute to Anne Frank.

In the Aeroplane over the Sea was inspired by Jeff Mangum (Neutral Milk Hotel's frontman) reading Anne Frank's diary. For some listeners, the album may not be entirely accessible, but I'd call it a work of genius, very moving, terribly sad. Much of it is essentially a reflection on Anne Frank's death and the Holocaust:

And I know they buried her body with others,
Her sister and mother and five-hundred families.
And will she remember me fifty years later?
I wished I could save her in some sort of time machine.
("Holland, 1945")


It's also about the beauty of the diary, the remnant of her life left to us:

What a curious life
We have found here tonight
There is music that sounds on the street
There are lights in the clouds
Anna's ghost all around
Hear her voice as it's rolling and ringing through me
Soft and sweet
How the notes all bend and reach above the trees
("In the Aeroplane over the Sea")


But it's also a message of love from the speaker to the dead girl of the diary:

The only girl I've ever loved
Was born with roses in her eyes
But then they buried her alive
One evening 1945
With just her sister at her side
And only weeks before the guns
All came and rained on everyone
("Holland, 1945)


A celebration of art and life:

What a beautiful face
I have found in this place
That is circling all round the sun
And when we meet on a cloud
I'll be laughing out loud
I'll be laughing with everyone I see
Can't believe how strange it is to be anything at all
("In the Aeroplane over the Sea")


And a reminder of the transcendence of art and beauty:

And she was born in a bottle rocket, 1929
With wings that ring around a socket
Right between her spine
All drenched in milk and holy water
Pouring from the sky
I know that she will live for ever
("Ghost")


Give the album a listen to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jtZx...

But it won't work on mobile devices.

And somebody at genius.com has done a pretty good job discussing the lyrics. That might be worth taking a look at as you listen to the album.

http://genius.com/albums/Neutral-milk...

[Duane]

Mary wrote: "As I said before, if you brew a big pot of coffee and read through Anamikas other thread about hating the diary you will see pages and pages of people asking thoughtful, respectful questions directed toward Anamika asking her to explain her opinion. All her answers are evasive, vague and incomplete."

Mary... Have you ever seen one of those toys called an "8 Ball", that has a window on the outside and a rotating multifaceted inner ball with "answers" on the facets? It behaves identically - and I mean *identically* - to the Amanita in answering questions. Every answer the "8 Ball" gives is deliberately constructed to be exactly as you describe of the Amanita - "evasive, vague and incomplete". It HAS to be, in order to be applicable to any question somebody could possibly ever ask!! The "8-Ball" even has an "Ask Again Later" response.

I'm tellin' ya, it's a ThreadBot...

[Karen]

Petergiaquinta wrote: "Now that I have more time, I'm going to give this another shot at drumming up some interest in Jeff Mangum's tribute to Anne Frank.

In the Aeroplane over the Sea was inspired by Jeff Mangum (Neutr..."

Thanks, I don't know if you read my post earlier, but I did listen to him and I like it, so I will check out more. Thanks for posting the lyrics because the youtube video I watched I couldn't quite hear them all, I was using my samsung phone.

[Mary]

Duane wrote: "Mary wrote: "As I said before, if you brew a big pot of coffee and read through Anamikas other thread about hating the diary you will see pages and pages of people asking thoughtful, respectful que..."

Yes, of course I know what an 8 ball is...however, I really get the "12 yr old girl looking for attention but not knowing how to handle adult conversations" vibe more from Anamika's posts. Maybe because I deal with that demographic all day long.

[Mary]

Anamika, that makes no sense.

[Mary]

Yet you replied almost immediately.

[Trixie]

Same old same old - smoke and mirrors.

[Petergiaquinta]

Karen wrote: "Thanks, I don't know if you read my post earlier, but I did listen to him and I like it, so I will check out more. Thanks for posting the lyrics because the youtube video I watched"

Good, I'm glad to spread the word. And now that I've taken a look at Youtube, there seems to be a lot more Jeff Mangum content there than there used to be. It looks like he's pulled his band together again and gotten himself going again.

[Karen]

Petergiaquinta wrote: "Karen wrote: "Thanks, I don't know if you read my post earlier, but I did listen to him and I like it, so I will check out more. Thanks for posting the lyrics because the youtube video I watched"

..."

I'll watch more tonight- always looking for quality music I haven't heard yet!

[Paul Martin]

Petergiaquinta wrote: "Now that I have more time, I'm going to give this another shot at drumming up some interest in Jeff Mangum's tribute to Anne Frank.

In the Aeroplane over the Sea was inspired by Jeff Mangum (Neutr..."

Pretty good stuff, Pietro, thanks.

[Duane]

Karen wrote: "always looking for quality music I haven't heard yet!..."

oh yeah?

Try this - it's the most definitive piece ever composed for the Third Reich - video included...

But don't even *think* of watching it on your ScramSung - use a computer with a sound system and *crank* it


Another "Video Interpretation" here...

[Paul Martin]

Aw, Rammstein, f****** hate them. But I agree, the last "video interpretation" is good.

[Duane]

The first one is abstract, the second one is concrete.

They're geniuses to even be able to think of stuff like that. (Genii?)

Something to think about the next time you hear a bunch of second-graders chanting
"Barack-Hussein-Obama!"
"MMM-MMM-MMM!"
"Barack-Hussein-Obama!"
"MMM-MMM-MMM!"
.
.
.

[Karen]

Duane wrote: "Karen wrote: "always looking for quality music I haven't heard yet!..."

oh yeah?

Try
this
- it's the most definitive piece ever composed for the Third Reich - video included...

But don't eve..."

No thanks. :) Not my style.

[Duane]

Fascism and "groupthink" in general, and the Third Reich in particular...