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just didn't find it as intresting or intriguing, but her writing structure was good and the idea of her story lasting till this day is remarkable.

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message 251: by Duane (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane Renee wrote: "My alleged brain was running more along the lines of the virtues of bottomless cynicism vs. topless cynicism and the pole dancing that might be featured at a topless and bottomless cynicism club. :D"

I knew that, but I saw it as an opportunity to try to attempt a context switch and help spread the ethnicity flame war over to this thread.

Now, instead, thank you very much, I shall be compelled to spend the rest of the day pondering the difference between topless and bottomless cynicism, and debating which is more praiseworthy...

(Is this a private club, btw, or can I just wander in off the street?)


message 252: by Renee E (new) - added it

Renee E You can purchase a membership at the door, but there's also a 20% surcharge for gratuitous humbuggery.


Petergiaquinta More fun and games with Anamika. You also insisted English wasn't a second language. But then you've said all sorts of nutty things.

If your name truly is Anamika, that's Sanskrit, one of the Indo-European language branches from which many of the Indian languages descend. If "Anamika" is just a little bit of fun on the Internet (and no, I don't fancy ruffled collars myself, so no judgment there), then it still indicates a familiarity with Sanskrit, oh nameless one...

But either way that still doesn't mean you are in fact Indo-European if your first language is Kannada (is it?) or Tamil or any of the languages of southern India, since that would be Dravidian or something and not Indo-European. The way you like to jerk folks around on the Internet, you could be a middle-aged man from Papua-New Guinea, for all I know. And then you definitely wouldn't be of Indo-European stock.

I don't have to wait until next July for an answer, do I?


Paul Martin and I could be a 75 yr old man. The internet is a crazy place.

I thought you were a cat, to be honest.


message 255: by Renee E (new) - added it

Renee E Jamie Lynn wrote: "Haha! I'm a highly intelligent 75 yr old man cat with the ability to type. I'm amazing! I should have a TV show or something ..."

Larry King's already got that job. :D


message 256: by Mary (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mary Jamie Lynn, if you have a big pot of coffee and several hours to waste you should read the other thread started by Anamika about hating Anne Franks diary. You'll see why so many are frustrated with the OP and they question her real motives and identity. IMO, she's a very young (12-13yr old)


message 257: by Alice (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alice Duane wrote: "Well, *somebody* was going on earlier about how Anne Frank *had* expected it to be published... I couldn't quite finger out how that was possible, my bandwidth for following all forks of the threa..."

Tytti wrote: "She(?) told how they (the Dutch?) had said in the radio that after the war there would be interest to collect diaries etc. written during that time. I find it very believable. I also seem to remember reading somewhere that she edited the earlier parts because of that. Are you sure it wasn't mentioned in the diary itself? It's been years since I read it. "

Hey! I am the *somebody* and the *she* (yes, I am a female! Alice, nice to meet you :) ). It is written in the intro to my edition of the book. But if you want a source: "Anne hopes for her diary to be published as a novel after the war. That’s why she starts rewriting it. But Anne never manages to finish it. She's discovered and arrested before she completes her work." http://www.annefrank.org/en/Anne-Fran...

And woaw, this thread went completely off topic! Love it! haha


message 258: by Monty J (last edited Aug 06, 2014 08:00AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Monty J Heying Anamika wrote: "Well, then your native language isn't English."

No."


Anamika,
tweakah,
Untruth speakah.

You told me in an earlier post, emphatically, that English IS your first language.

Are you conflicted about this?
Or just confused?
Or just trolling?


message 259: by Alice (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alice Actually, better: "On March 28, 1944, minister Bolkestein of the Dutch government in exile makes a broadcast on Radio Orange, calling on people to save their diaries. Anne, listening with the others in the Secret Annex, needs no further encouragement. She starts to seriously rework her diary and calls it The Secret Annex. Anne feels increasingly certain that once the war is over, she wants to make use of her talent for writing. She dreams of becoming a journalist, and then a famous writer. And if it turns out that she lacks the talent to write books or newspaper articles, she can always just write for her own pleasure, she tells herself. ‘But I want to achieve more than that. I can’t imagine having to live like Mother, Mrs van Pels and all the women who go about their work and are then forgotten. I need to have something besides a husband and children to devote myself to! I don’t want to have lived in vain like most people.’" http://www.annefrank.org/en/Anne-Fran... Now you know :)


message 260: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti Thanks Alice, I thought I had heard about it before from somewhere.

And Finnish is so much easier, there is just one word for s/he. Of course no one really uses it, people just call each other 'it', unless there is a reason to do otherwise and usually then it's not positive. Pets, on the other hand, get called s/he, sometimes other animals, too, if they are cute anyway.


message 261: by Duane (last edited Aug 06, 2014 08:59AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane Monty J wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Well, then your native language isn't English."

No."

Anamika,
tweakah,
Untruth speakah.

You told me in an earlier post, emphatically, that English IS your first language.

Are yo..."



<< the Amanita's deployment team **frantically** scrambles to link "anamika.exe" with a debugger and reassemble the thread input sequence to find the recursion deadlock which caused the conflicting outputs... >>

Alice wrote: And woaw, this thread went completely off topic!


Topic?

You saw a TOPIC somewhere??? WHERE!!! HOw did it Get IN here!!
<< KILL!!!!!!! >>


message 262: by Mary (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mary Tytti,
I have been following your discussion about Finnish history. I just visited your beautiful country last year. I have had year long exchange students from Germany, China, Norway and Sweden. In fact another student from Norway arrived last night and I asked her about Finland and Sweden. She said," oh yeah everyone hates the Swedish."
I did not know all the detailed history but am now motivated to read more about it.
I have lived in Saudi Arabia, Guatemala, Germany and Venezuela. I have met people from many, many countries and it seems Everyone has a hierarchy of culture in their country and animosity that dates back decades or even centuries.. Sadly, I think it's part of the human condition.


message 263: by Tytti (last edited Aug 06, 2014 09:05AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti Mary wrote: " I have met people from many, many countries and it seems Everyone has a hierarchy of culture in their country and animosity that dates back decades or even centuries.."

I don't think you understand our humour. We make fun of each other all the time. Of course there might be some problems, but they are not that big. It's a kind of love/hate relationship, more like a sibling rivalry.


message 264: by Mary (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mary I do understand your humor. Every country has regional differences that they make fun of. But I also read the discussion of Åland and being forced to learn Swedish and I detected some real animosity there.


message 265: by Tytti (last edited Aug 06, 2014 03:11PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti Mary wrote: "But I also read the discussion of Åland and being forced to learn Swedish and I detected some real animosity there."

Well yes. That is one of the big problems. And the problem of course it that some people think that a Finn isn't "civilized" or a "proper Finn" unless s/he speaks Swedish. Which dates back to times when Finns were considered inferior. I'm not sure why I should like that. It's almost like if all the British would have to study Welsh seven years, before they could graduate from a university.

But that has little to do with Sweden. Most Swedes don't understand that either.


message 266: by Duane (last edited Aug 06, 2014 09:30AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane "Sadly, I think it's part of the human condition."

NOoo... Ya think?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3...

NO WAIDaminnit... Jesus and Karl Marx (and Obama) said they were gonna fix all that. nemmine...
fageddaboudit. Go back to reading Hairy Pooter and the Pedophile Priest

Or something. Stuff like that.

And Finnish is so much easier... people just call each other 'it..."

( Dang!! Them Finns done got ONE thing right at least... )


Paul Martin In fact another student from Norway arrived last night and I asked her about Finland and Sweden. She said," oh yeah everyone hates the Swedish."

Haha, I can assure you that when a Swede or Norwegian says that, it's like one sibling telling you how stupid the other one is :)


Petergiaquinta Was that a French joke there awhile ago with the "chat room" quip? Une blague!

Tres bon!


message 269: by Duane (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane I know enough French to say "GERMANS! RUN!!" but that's about it.

Oh, and uhh... "Coup De Grass" - Mow the lawn


Elisa Santos Duane wrote: "I know enough French to say "GERMANS! RUN!!" but that's about it.

Oh, and uhh... "Coup De Grass" - Mow the lawn"


Muahaha that´s more french than what i remember from my years at school!


Paul Martin Du calme, les gamins, du calme.


message 272: by Elisa Santos (last edited Aug 06, 2014 12:02PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Elisa Santos Je suis calme, Monsieur. Seulement je pense qu´il on avait imense bruit dans ici.


Paul Martin Quelle crise! J'exige un duel - toi et moi á six heure devant la fontaine.


Elisa Santos Oh Mond Dieu de la France - donne moi la pacience!

Mais les duels, ils ne sont pas toujours á la forest? C´est une blague, certainement...


Paul Martin Tu es fou, ma cherie, fou!


message 276: by Duane (last edited Aug 06, 2014 01:58PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane The only important language skills for us rednecks over here in America are, enough German to be able to do a Hitler imitation at parties, and enough Spanish to be able to say GET OUT OF MY YARD OR I'LL SHOOT!

Oh - And - Don't you have to actually be sleeping with somebody in order to be able to use the "Familar" form in French? (I know with Germans it requres a Fuehrerbefehl before they're allowed to do that)

(lemme OUTA here...)


Elisa Santos Duel - six heures, dans la fôret: cherche ton temoins.

Duane - Saian de mi pátio ó disparo la arma!

I don´t know any german...


message 278: by Laura (last edited Aug 06, 2014 02:38PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Laura Herzlos Ich kann, aber was Duane damit tun wollte ist wahrscheinlich nicht so nett. Wir machen darüber keine Witze.


message 279: by Paul Martin (last edited Aug 06, 2014 02:41PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Paul Martin Oh - And - Don't you have to actually be sleeping with somebody in order to be able to use the "Familar" form in French?

Pas du tout! Or what do you say, Maria?


message 280: by Duane (new) - rated it 5 stars

Duane I demand a duel with nuclear weapons!

At 30 paces!!

(Doesn't matter with whom... It's the principle of the thing)


Paul Martin (Doesn't matter with whom... It's the principle of the thing)

I understand, Duane, I understand.


message 282: by Trixie (new) - rated it 3 stars

Trixie Hang on - someone is missing.

Oh yeah, isn't it about time Anamika dropped by to tell us to notice her.....


message 283: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti Anamika wrote: "Petergiaquinta what you told isn't true.And yes,English is first language and not Kannada or any of the other languages."

Then you are "Indo-European", it's quite simple. Though it seems not simple enough for you. Besides, it's not like you are here to discuss books, anyway.


message 284: by Tytti (last edited Aug 07, 2014 04:23AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti You just said English is your first language. That makes you Indo-European. I don't the scientists are going to change the system for you.


message 285: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti Well, yes it does.


Paul Martin "Discuss about me", "English is first language". Come on, Oh Nameless One. English is my third language and even I write it better than you.

So, lying or just general trouble with writing? Nothing wrong with the last one, flawless English isn't a requirement for using Goodreads. If it was, many of us wouldn't be here.


message 287: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti It seems Anamika doesn't know what Indo-European means. Probably because googling is so hard.


message 288: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti I guess you can fake an identity but you can't conceal ignorance.


Paul Martin Anamika wrote: "Let's just go back to the diary."

What was the code/program for this again, Duane?


message 290: by Trixie (last edited Aug 07, 2014 04:46AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Trixie Aha - Anamika! I knew you'd be a round somewhere!You know what amazes me? How most of the threads about Anne Frank somehow always come back to you!


message 291: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti I would still like to know how a person who speaks English as her first language isn't Indo-European.


Paul Martin Anamika wrote: "I've been wondering that for a while too.So to prevent this let's go back."

Go back where? There have now been two threads about people disliking this book, there isn't much more to be said.

This thread is now about you:) So, tell us, what is your favourite ice cream? And, converse or vans?


message 293: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti Anamika wrote: "take it somewhere else will you?"

I can't. You are the only non-Indo-European English-as-a-first-language-speaker I have ever heard of.


Paul Martin Quite amazing. You are very, very special Anamika. Never forget that!


Paul Martin Not attack, more banter-like.


message 296: by Laura (new) - rated it 4 stars

Laura Herzlos Indo-European is currently most used meaning people who speak Indo-European languages, which includes English. Nonetheless, that's not the only meaning of that word. It was also used widely as synonym of Aryan, referring to race rather than language.

I understand how finding another excuse to make fun of other people may seem more interesting for some of you than actually discussing the journal of Anne Frank.


message 297: by Renee E (new) - added it

Renee E Anamika wrote: "Well if English is my first language,it doesn't have to mean I'm an Indo-European."

Well, to be fair, if someone were to be a second-generation immigrant to an English speaking locale whose parents were non-Indo-European, then your first language could be English without you being I-E.

Or, more simply, there's being of a natural born citizen of an English speaking nation, who happens to be of African, Native American or some other non-I-E DNA.


message 298: by Tytti (new) - rated it 4 stars

Tytti Renee wrote: "someone were to be a second-generation immigrant to an English speaking locale whose parents were non-Indo-European, then your first language could be English without you being I-E."

But because Indo-European isn't really a term for race or ethnicity, just a language category, at least in a normal use, that doesn't really matter. It's only about the language a person speaks as his/her first language.


message 299: by Renee E (new) - added it

Renee E /facepalm . . . hard to keep track of which technical terms go with what facet of being, especially when I'm only on my first cup of coffee :D


message 300: by Renee E (last edited Aug 07, 2014 06:42AM) (new) - added it

Renee E There've been times I was pretty sure there was pot involved, lol.

Or should be involved, to lower the level of aggressions :D


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