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Okay I'll admit Jack has a little shine but near as strong as Danny. Also the parents knew there was something about Danny simply because Danny knee things that he had no way of knowing. The hotel used Jack to get to Danny because frankly Jack was the weak link.
Tim wrote: "My big issue with assuming Jack not only has the shine, but a shine stronger than Danny's, is the entire story breaks down to me. It's made very clear the hotel wants Danny for his shine, and every..."That's kind of where my logic keeps getting hung up. I think maybe it's two sides to the same coin. In response to Nick describing a spectrum of psychic behaviors in King's world; I think this is true but with a slight twist. I think that Jack is on the spectrum but he doesn't shine, he has the antithesis of shining. He quells it or his mind disallows a shiner to read his mind. And his very close relationship with Danny almost feels symbolic in a duality-type relationship. How can you have a shiner without an anti-shiner, or Jack?
The only problem with that theory id that Danny can read Jack. He doesn't like reading Jack because he goes to that bad thing. But he has read him that is how he knew where Jack was taking him for his birthday.
mrbooks wrote: "The only problem with that theory id that Danny can read Jack. He doesn't like reading Jack because he goes to that bad thing. But he has read him that is how he knew where Jack was taking him for ..."That a good point, I hadn't thought about that. Maybe he can read Jack because of his familiarity but not really specifics. I can't think of the exact passages but I remember him saying he had difficulty reading Jack's thoughts. He could vaguely picture the birthday setting but it always seems like a general sense. Danny can tell that his dad is thinking about The Bad Thing but we never hear specific dialogue like with the lady in the grey dress, Dick or Wendy.
Ben wrote: "Kenneth wrote: "Tim; I agree with you 100%. Jack had no shining; never did and never will. To think that he had is to read something into the story that was never there to begin with."It doesn't ..."
Not sure Stephen King knows the answers. He writes his stories and leaves some things unsaid, sometimes because he would just as soon leave things a mystery, even to himself.
Nick wrote: "Not sure Stephen King knows the answers. He writes his stories and leaves some things unsaid, sometimes because he would just as soon leave things a mystery, even to himself..."Kinda like he did with The Colorado Kid, huh?
Ben wrote: "There was no hint, clue or Chapter in this novel that made me think this hotel was drawing "shine" from Danny in order to make poltergeists manifest for Jack's eyes to behold."Towards the end of the book, Wendy was thinking about something like this, like Danny is a battery and the hotel draws power from Danny to do all these supernatural things.
Ben wrote: "Nick wrote: "Not sure Stephen King knows the answers. He writes his stories and leaves some things unsaid, sometimes because he would just as soon leave things a mystery, even to himself..."Kinda..."
Exactly, that's what I was thinking of.
You can manufacture whatever you want Ben doesn’t matter much to me so right back at you....
It's not said outright as a firm explanation, but as Femmy has pointed out it is hinted at near the end of the book through Wendy. She muses to herself directly the idea that the shine is drawing off of Danny's power to do what its doing, and that once Danny was removed from the hotel it would return to a more passive state, only able to conjure images to scare the more psychically inclined. Does this make it a firm fact? Of course not. But it's what makes sense to me as an explanation for the events of the book. Jack having a hidden shine just makes the entire narrative fall apart in my mind.
I think that Jack had just a little bit of shine, just like the maid who found the woman in 217 and that is why he was able to see her. However his experiences in the hotel were much stronger than those of the maid because he was at the hotel with Danny from whom the hotel drew extra power to project these "pictures". And since Jack already had the shine and above all he was mentally very easy to manipulate the hotel was able to use him in it's advantage. NOw on another note, I just watched the Kubric movie on netflix and found , among the obvious things, also some small details that were changed for the adaptation. Firstly the room number with the dead lady in the movie was 237 and not 217 as in the novel... Don't know why it bothers me...I feel like 217 has become like a classic known to all trivia detail of The Shining novel..or something. Secondly in the movie the workers would return back to the hotel on May 1st and not on May 12th (my birthday!) As in the novel. Does anyone else feel special when their birthday or name are used in books? 😂haha
Kenneth wrote: "You can manufacture whatever you want Ben doesn’t matter much to me so right back at you...."Eureka!
I'm glad you finally comprehend!
Now you understand that you, myself and everyone else have every right to manufacture our own versions of what Stephen King left open for interpretation. And thank you for sitting aside your discrimination and realizing that everyone has a right to their own manufactured opinion.
The quote for the Danny as battery theory:More, she thought that Danny might be the one the hotel really wanted, the reason it was going so far... maybe the reason it was able to go so far. It might even be that in some unknown fashion it was Danny's shine that was powering it, the way a battery powers the electrical equipment in a car... the way a battery gets a car to start. If they got out of here, the Overlook might subside to its old semi-sentient state, able to do no more than present penny-dreadful horror slides to the more psychically aware guests who entered it. Without Danny it was not much more than an amusement park haunted house, where a guest or two might hear rappings or the phantom sounds of a masquerade party, or see an occasional disturbing thing. But if it absorbed Danny... Danny's shine or Iifeforce or spirit... whatever you wanted to call it... into itself -- what would it be then?
Ben you are welcome and some may interpret what I say as discriminatory but I truly believe and live a diverse acceptance of all.
This discussion is fun. So many theories.What do you guys think happened with Grady? Do you think he or a member of his family had a little shining, and that's how the hotel was able to get him to kill his family?
What I'm thinking right now, is that the whisky he smuggled into the hotel helped. The hotel didn't have to conjure real alcohol into being like it had to do with Jack. With Grady drunk, the hotel needed only to give him a little nudge to push him over the edge.
this was my first read of Stephen King. Highly recommend
Follow up with Doctor Sleep, if you haven't already..... Phenomenal sequel in my opinion.
Michele wrote: "I think that Jack had just a little bit of shine, just like the maid who found the woman in 217 and that is why he was able to see her. However his experiences in the hotel were much stronger than ..."Exactly what I think!
I was talking to my friend about the shinning and for the life of me I could not remember that hotel number
Room 217 in the Overlook hotel I know I will get into an argument with people at work who only watch the movie and not read the book. Or I should say I will correct them, the have given up arguing with me about books. They always loose not my fault I like random facts and can't seem to forget the random the fact the more it will stick in my memory.
I read somewhere that the room was changed from 217 to 237 because there are 237,000 miles to the moon which was known as the moon key
Wally wrote: "Follow up with Doctor Sleep, if you haven't already..... Phenomenal sequel in my opinion."I'm torn between reading it right away and reading it with the group later at the scheduled time.
Kenneth wrote: "I read somewhere that the room was changed from 217 to 237 because there are 237,000 miles to the moon which was known as the moon key"Stop makin' stuff up!
Just kidding.
Femmy wrote: "This discussion is fun. So many theories.What do you guys think happened with Grady? Do you think he or a member of his family had a little shining, and that's how the hotel was able to get him t..."
In the grand scheme of the story, I'm not really so sure Grady matters beyond being a foreshadow of what happens with Jack. Whether the hotel got to him in some way, or it truly was just a case of cabin fever gone wrong, the outcome of it all is still the same.
I have really enjoyed reading everyone's very different interpretations and reactions to this. This is a least my fourth but probably my fifth reading of the novel. The strongest impression from my reading this time is what a deeply flawed but well-drawn character Jack was.
"He suddenly flushed, not with anger but with shame at his own cruelty. This was not a man in front of him but a seventeen-year-old boy who facing the first major defeat of his life, and maybe asking in the only way he could for Jack to help him cope with it."
While deeply flawed I wouldn't agree that Jack was evil (well maybe in the movie but not the book). Beside being ashamed of his weaknesses as in the above quote.
(view spoiler).
Does Jack have the Shining? The above passage indicates he might just a little. And I personally I have always read it that he has a little one. He definitely sees things before Wendy does. And I too have always assumed that was how he blocked Dicked Halloran as mentioned in earlier comments. From this reading, I think his deep shame over his alcohol and anger issues motivated the block.
However, Stephen King is a big fan of the Haunting of Hill House. And the beauty (frustration?) of this kind of haunted house story is the reader needs to interpret for herself or himself.
Lastly, the origins of the evil in the Hotel. Again like the Haunting of Hill House you need to decide for yourself. However, my imagination decided that the Hotel was built in a place were some ancient evil already existed and that evil has been playing with the Hotel residents ever since. Driving them to more violent acts than otherwise would have occurred. Each act makes it more and more powerful but it's still pretty weak (and can only make picture shows etc). Until it meets (view spoiler) and then, of course, all hell breaks loose. To me the (view spoiler) can only be explained by a pagan evil.
I look forward to how I will interpret it the next time I read it.
Maria wrote: "As he got behind the truck's wheel it occurred to him that while he was fascinated by the Overlook, he didn't much like it. He wasn't sure it was good for either his wife or his son or himself. Maybe that is why he called Ullman ..."
3.) The Wasps Nest.
Chapter 21: Night Thoughts
3.) The Wasps Nest.
Chapter 22: In the Truck
3.) The Wasps Nest.
Chapter 23: In the Playground
I'm quite sure this will get struck down, but when you mentioned Jack being in the truck, it occurred to me that Wendy and Danny also once used this truck. Wendy had taken Danny down the Mountain to the town of Sidewinder (over 40 miles away) to borrow a few Children's books from the Library. But her ulterior motive was getting Danny alone to (view spoiler)
A lot of people here consider Danny to be a battery for the Overlooks ghosts becoming more powerful and move about or become more than just a picture-show; but while Danny was well over 40 miles away from the Hotel, this was when Jack witnessed (view spoiler)
So wouldn't Danny's battery be a little out-of-range to be used as a power-source?
I also believe Jack didn't purposely block Halloran from his mind, because Jack was unaware of his "Shining" to create a protective defensive. I believe Jack's "Shining" had a mind (or subconscious) of it's own and protected itself unbeknownst to him. If this is not the reason, then Halloran's "shine" was still unable to trespass for some other unknown reason, because he was easily able to catch a tiny bit of "shine" in Wendy.
Ben wrote: "Maria wrote: "As he got behind the truck's wheel it occurred to him that while he was fascinated by the Overlook, he didn't much like it. He wasn't sure it was good for either his wife or his son o..."oooh intriguing.
Though it can be argued that Danny's range was pretty strong. (view spoiler). The ability to (view spoiler) is one of the reasons that I always believed that Jack had at least a small shine.
I don't think it was as strong as Danny's or Jack would have known it. Jack remembers enough of his childhood throughout the book and never mentions any incidents similar to Danny's and he is as confused as Wendy is as to what is happening to Danny.
In the sequel, Dr. Sleep it says you would lose some of your shine strength in adulthood and that the psychic energy of kids is the ultimate power ((view spoiler). So, in my opinion, it's very unlikely that Jack's shine was greater than Danny's but if it was and if you have read Dr. Sleep (view spoiler)
Maria wrote: "Though it can be argued that Danny's range was pretty strong. [ Hallorann could hear him in Miami and he (as Tony) was able to predict what would happen before they moved to the Hotel ..."If it can be argued that Danny had a longer range because he was able to contact Halloran in Miami from Bolder, then this would mean that while the Torrance family were living in Stovington, Vermont (1000 miles closer to Bolder than Miami), Danny's battery would have been powering the Overlook since the day he was born.
OMG just finished The Shining and I looooved it. Actually probably my favorite King book I've read so far. About to watch the movie with Jack Nicholson again then I'll come back and read through all the comments with spoilers (I was enjoying the book so much I didn't want to read through and spoil anything!) and post a review.
Nope (view spoiler) . Location of the psychic is important as confirmed by the sequel.
How far did Danny have to go to get out of range once he entered? - I don't know. I like to imagine it's just past the (view spoiler). And I have believed, for three decades now, that Jack had enough shine to see them himself. Whether Danny's previous presence at the Hotel riled them up, he was still near enough in town and/or Jack shined enough on his own has been left to the reader to decide. I believe the latter but there are arguments for all of them.
However, personally, if I take the sequel into account I have to conclude that children are more powerful than their adult selves. So according to Stephen Kings rules for this universe, I personally have to accept that child Danny is more powerful than adult Jack. spoiler for sequel (view spoiler). However, that is just me personally. Once a writer releases his/her work they have to accept that ALL of their reader's interpretations are correct. Even Stanley Kubriks - Even though Stephen King reportedly hates it :)
Nicole wrote: "OMG just finished The Shining and I looooved it. Actually probably my favorite King book I've read so far. About to watch the movie with Jack Nicholson again then I'll come back and read through al..."Looking forward to how the movie compares now that you have read it.
Maria wrote: "Nicole wrote: "OMG just finished The Shining and I looooved it. Actually probably my favorite King book I've read so far. About to watch the movie with Jack Nicholson again then I'll come back and ..."Jack wasn't totally evil, but he may have had a greater capacity for evil based on his childhood experiences and the example of his father, and that built-in temper. Not sure what the psychology of the temper is but I have to believe it's a learned condition more easily triggered in some than in others. King, in the introduction to the version I read, says that he decided not to make Jack one dimensional but to make him totally capable of good and bad. He said the fact that he drew the character that way actually turned his career around. (Though we certainly see that in his previous works.) Yes, the hotel wants Danny, yes Jack's shine is far weaker than Danny's if he has much of it at all. Personally, I never thought that the hotel needs people as batteries to keep running, just as part of its collection of ghouls, and to do its bidding. There's nothing nice about the hotel. It's pure evil. And what is the purpose of evil (Catechism 101)?... to capture and take over your soul. And the purer your soul "the more it wants you, Danny."
Nick wrote: "(Catechism 101)?... to capture and take over your soul. And the purer your soul "the more it wants you, Danny." LOL that's good it should be on the Blurb. It's the ultimate fight between Good and Evil, Light and Dark that makes horror one of my favourite genres :)
In this novel, I enjoy that most of the battle goes on within Jack himself and he just can't win because of his anger and alcohol issues but that makes him weak and not evil as such. That is where most of real-life battles between good and evil occur and was a good decision of Stephen King as it makes the novel stronger.
I find it's hard to separate this book in my mind after having read the sequel which (view spoiler). I think for me that is where the battery image comes from and where the idea that other entities might want children's power comes from.
Maria wrote: "Nick wrote: "(Catechism 101)?... to capture and take over your soul. And the purer your soul "the more it wants you, Danny." LOL that's good it should be on the Blurb. It's the ultimate fight bet..."
I like the sequel too though it's not quite in the same league as the first. Here's my review.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
I htink Jack was able to see the hedge animals move even when Danny was in Sidewinder because the hotel had the strength to make people see things on it's own. What it didn't have the strength to do was physically manifest dangers. Seeing and being frightened is one thing. Being touched and physically hurt is another.
Kandice wrote: "I htink Jack was able to see the hedge animals move even when Danny was in Sidewinder because the hotel had the strength to make people see things on it's own. What it didn't have the strength to d..."And that's why it needed people that it could use... people we were corruptable, the more easily (because of their weaknesses) the better.
Ben wrote: "Maria wrote: "As he got behind the truck's wheel it occurred to him that while he was fascinated by the Overlook, he didn't much like it. He wasn't sure it was good for either his wife or his son o..."As Halloran explains all mothers have a touch of the shine. Maybe what is Hiding Jack's Shine is his version of Tony.
Maria wrote: "Ben wrote: "Maria wrote: "As he got behind the truck's wheel it occurred to him that while he was fascinated by the Overlook, he didn't much like it. He wasn't sure it was good for either his wife ..."The fact that Jack remembers his childhood and doesn't remember anything like what is happening to Danny is simply explained. His father was a strict disciplinarian anything wrong and he was beaten, or given his medicine. So naturally he blocked it out as well as blocking his shine. If he felt guilty about it would he mention it? He was uncannily good at football and naturally gifted in the class room, to the point where he didn't have to work at it. These are all indicators of the Shine. Isn't it funny how when he needs money he all of a sudden sells a short story and then gets a position at a prestigious school. It is his drinking that drive his shine away. It took time to recover the shine from the booze.
Ben wrote: "Maria wrote: "Though it can be argued that Danny's range was pretty strong. [ Hallorann could hear him in Miami and he (as Tony) was able to predict what would happen before they moved to the Hotel..."Yes Danny is powerful in the Shine, but calling is quite different then making things move. Even in Carrie she had to be near an object to get it to move and she was a true telekinetic. Remember Danny see's things in the future, in this case far in the future. He saw (view spoiler)
Ok, Chapter 26 Jack falls asleep in the basement looking at the old receipts and is dreaming about his father the alcoholic and how he beat his mother with his cane. I think Jack has always been afraid of becoming like his father. I changed my mind. I don’t think he has some deep evil inside him. I don’t think he has the shine.
He is so fearful of becoming his father and when he broke Danny’s arm he saw Danny had the same expression on his face as his mother after his father beat her with his cane.
He dreamed about this while in the hotel. The hotel is using his fear against him. It used that fear and made it sound like his father was speaking to him from the radio. The hotel got inside his head is manipulating him with the one thing he fears the most.
Nancy wrote: "Ok, Chapter 26 Jack falls asleep in the basement looking at the old receipts and is dreaming about his father the alcoholic and how he beat his mother with his cane. I think Jack has always been af..."I agree Nancy, I think there’s a weakness in Jack that made it easy for the Overlook to manipulate and ultimately possess him. He exhibited this weakness throughout his life with his outbursts of violence and tendency of self destruction. While sober Jack is kind, caring father and husband, but there’s that something inside him that’s off, which is what the hotel exploited.
Wally wrote: "Follow up with Doctor Sleep, if you haven't already..... Phenomenal sequel in my opinion."Agreed Wally. I actually think Dr Sleep I slightly better as Danny's Shining has evolved. He is trying to protect a young girl from Rose the Hat and her gang as Danny sees a kindred spirit. The young girl reminds him of himself as a 5 year old boy.
This just came to me while reading this morning. Hoping I don’t sound silly but have any of you found the name of hotel to be significant with Danny’s relationship with Tony?Maybe this has been discussed already?
Nancy wrote: "I changed my mind. I don’t think he has some deep evil inside him. I don’t think he has the shine..."Wow,
I was up half the night mulling over your change of heart, and I'm still stuck at the part where Jack can see things and have his fears manipulated by this Hotel without having at least a touch of the shine.
Hollaran himself stated that no one has ever experienced anything strange at the Hotel without being blessed with the shine. Otherwise the Overlook would have been getting no business at all.
Imagine all the mentally ill or alcoholic people without the shine that were not taken advantage of throughout the years this Hotel existed.
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Hollaran makes it clear in example Number One:
Chapter 11
THE SHINING
"Another time there was a maid, Delores Vickery her name was, and she had a little shine to her, but I don't think she knew it. Mr. Ullman fired her ... do you know what that is, doc?"
"Yes, sir," Danny said candidly, "my daddy got fired from his teaching job and that's why we're in Colorado, I guess."
"Well, Ullman fired her on account of her saying she'd seen something in one of the rooms where ... well, where a bad thing happened. That was in Room 217, and I want you to promise me you won't go in there, Danny. Not all winter. Steer right clear."
"All right," Danny said. "Did the lady — the maiden — did she ask you to go look?"
"Yes, she did. And there was a bad thing there. But ... I don't think it was a bad thing that could hurt anyone, Danny, that's what I'm tryin to say. People who shine can sometimes see things that are gonna happen, and I think sometimes they can see things that did happen. But they're just like pictures in a book..."
Hollorann makes it clear in Eample Number Two:
Chapter 38
FLORIDA
And he suspected — no, was nearly positive — that several of the guests had seen or heard things, too. In the three years he had been there, the Presidential Suite had been booked nineteen times. Six of the guests who had put up there had left the hotel early, some of them looking markedly ill. Other guests had left other rooms with the same abruptness. One night in August of 1974, near dusk, a man who had won the Bronze and Silver Stars in Korea (that man now sat on the boards of three major corporations and was said to have personally pink-slipped a famous TV news anchorman) unaccountably went into a fit of screaming hysterics on the putting green. And there had been dozens of children during Hallorann's association with the Overlook who simply refused to go into the playground. One child had had a convulsion while playing in the concrete rings, but Hallorann didn't know if that could be attributed to the Overlook's deadly siren song or not — word had gone around among the help that the child, the only daughter of a handsome movie actor, was a medically controlled epileptic who had simply forgotten her medicine that day...
Watson makes it clear.
Chapter 3
"Mr. Torrance, I've worked here all my life. I played here when I was a kid no older'n your boy in that wallet snapshot you showed me. I never seen a ghost yet..."
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My personal conclusion is that the evil can only manipulate, control, possess or coheres anyone who possess at least a twinkle of the shine. If you don't "shine", you can check into the Overlook, sleep comfortably and enjoy your stay unbeknownst of it's evil inhabitants.
I think Watson said it best. Because Watson should have been easily manipulated by the Hotel years ago because of his resentment and personal demons. But this never happened because Watson did not shine and could not be manipulated. Even though he has worked there for years and years.
Therefore; Jack would have simply had to have the "shine" in order for the Hotel to invade him and "intensify" whatever personal demons he was already going through. Because I'm sure he wasn't so unique that he was the only abusive alcoholic with an abusive father that stayed there during the Hotels existence.
Holloran has has only worked there two seasons. He said two seasons when talking to Danny in his car. He also says he thought he had seen things only half a dozen times. He also said he has only come across 50-60 people that have just a little bit of shine and didn’t know it. I can’t believe that out of those 50-60 in his entire lifetime a large portion of those stayed at the Overlook when he was there for only two seasons. Dozens (plural) of children who refused to play n the playground? Are those dozens some of the 50-60? That just doesn’t make sense. He didn’t say in ch 38 that those people must have had the shine or he suspected they did only that he thinks they saw things. Earlier he just assumes only people with the shine can see things or that is just what he tells Danny. He also said nothing could hurt Danny. They are just pictures like in a book. Yet Danny did get hurt by what he saw in room 217. Just because people died in the hotel doesn’t mean they all had the shine. They could have had inner demons and were extremely weak and susceptible to being manipulated by whatever evil inhabits the hotel or the grounds. Being an alcoholic and having an abusive father isn’t the only kind of inner demon that someone could have that makes them weak and susceptible to the evil lurking at the hotel. We don’t know anything about those people. Like the lady in the bath tub, she might not have had the shine but had severe issues (and was drunk as a skunk every night with her young stud while cheating on her husband). Whatever inner demons and weakness she had the evil that inhabits the hotel pushed her to kill herself.
I don’t think Watson’s resentments or being a bitter old man are the same kind of weakness or deep inner turmoil that can be manipulated by an evil force.
Also Jack is an alcoholic and abusive. He denies doing things and tries to hide his abusive tendencies. In his own thoughts he wants to hit his wife and he is happy when he sees she has a sad expression on her face when he says something hurtful to her. It’s only a matter of time before he starts beating her. Just like he beat up his student. And there’s more to that story as well. Did he really tell George he stutters or is that the story he tells himself? Jack has some serious issues. Serious issues.
Evil begets evil.
mrbooks wrote: "Room 217 in the Overlook hotel I know I will get into an argument with people at work who only watch the movie and not read the book. Or I should say I will correct them, the have given up arguing ..."This was actually something that bothered me about the movie. I understand that things are going to change from the book to movie, but why change little things like the room number from 217 to 237?? Seems unnecessary and actually annoyed me more than it probably should have lol
Nancy wrote: "Holloran has has only worked there two seasons. He said two seasons when talking to Danny in his car. He also says he thought he had seen things only half a dozen times. He also said he has only co..."Random thought on your comment of the 50-60 people Hallorann came across with the shine: I don't think those dozens of children necessary had the shine; children can sense a lot of things that adults no longer can, as we've seen in tons of movies and in real life with our own children. But also you may be right - (view spoiler)
I really wish Stephen King had included how someone without the shine could be manipulated by the Hotel. But he didn't. Because using "inner demons" as a tool for these ghosts has never crossed my mind.Everyone has some sort of inner demon. No one lives a clean life. If having an inner demon were the case, it would have been noted in the old newspaper clippings that 99 percent of the Hotels clientele (from then until the present) ran away screaming for their lives.
Lol. And it would be hilarious to assume that the dozen or so children that Holloran said refused to go to the playground collectively having "inner demons" and no shine.
But in Watson's case, I don't know if you're poor or not, but if I were in his position and didn't inherit my ancestors multimillion dollar Hotel...and was forced to make due with probably the most lowest level job in the Hotel; then I would be plenty depressed. But depressed without the shine :)
But since King left this up to anyone's interpretation, I suppose having "inner-demons" and the shine can shake hands with one another.
Actually I loved the way he did it, it gives us a chance to fill in the blanks in our own way and it also gives us a platform for such lively discussions. Out of 100 people you will get 101 different scenarios to how things are or were.There is an extra one because I can never quite make up my mind on anything LOL.
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The fact that Danny is starting to do the same thing is showing what kind of stress the hotel is putting them under. Poor Wendy is oblivious to all of it. She is worried about jack but more so about Danny.