The Diary of a Young Girl
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Anyone else hate this Diary

I've actually been wondering if Amamika's research topic might be a Psych Ops kind o..." agreed again

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I don't see why you can't do that."
and then they say americans get offended ea..."
yeah, keep telling yourself that.

I don't really think I care enough "to make peace" about this...



It seems many Americans very easily call other people "rude" when they are just having a discussion about things. And it does give an impression that Americans are too sensitive.

I think it's more of a European thing, not just UK.


So you think you are the first American I have noticed calling people "rude" over minor things? No, you are not.

I think it's more o..." Oh totally agree with you, said UK because Joodith is from the UK.




I have started threads and went back to one. The instructions that I listed are the options on the thread if I wanted to delete it. If you want to delete this thread, then will it hurt to try? Did you even see if the "(edit)" was at the end of the title?

Some of you have suggested that Anamika (I'd better made sure I spell it properly) is doing some sort of Psychological study - I honestly don't think she's clever enough for that. Have any of you read her reading list? Have any of you read any of her writing? Strange thing is the few reviews she's written are not at all in the same tone as her posts on this thread. Strange - it's almost as if someone else is writing her reviews, or they're copied from elsewhere.
Some of you have suggested that peace is made or we have a group hug (yuck) - the nature of forums is that they bring out the beast in most of us - the anonymity of the internet and all that - we can say things we wouldn't say (at least I hope we wouldn't) say in a face to face situation.
Poor Joodith - she got a ragging from Belle when all she was trying to do was explain the nuances (differences) in the way language is used.....she was actually trying to defend Anamika for all the thanks she got. I am English, I live in the UK, although I have lived abroad.....which really does broaden the mind....and there ARE differences in the way English language is used in different countries. I would like to know how Belle can say, with such conviction, that Joodith is wrong! All you need to do is read books from both sides of the Atlantic and you'll see the differences.
Finally I think it would be a mistake to delete this thread....this is what forums are all about: debate, discussion, emotion and passion. What people do need to learn, though, is that bullying is not nice, and one or two of you have been guilty of that. Remember there is no tone of voice when you write, instead of speak, so many things are misinterpreted....10% of conflicts are due to differences of opinion; 90% is due to the wrong tone of voice.


It was her diary though. I'm sure if people broke into my diary they would be bored to tears half the time.

Some of you have suggested that Anamika (I'd better made sure I spell it proper..."
thank you, ( and I am not being sarcastic) i believe this discussion has been fascinating, and that is what this forums are for. Conversations fluctuate and deviate… that is what it is all about.

I, too, find this discussion interesting - the passions it has raised, the heated debate, the bullying, the patronising, - it's all there - brilliant.

Something I missed yesterday was this from Jonnathan:
Jonnathan wrote: "I hate it as well. Boring book."
No-one challenged him to explain why he hated the diary, but maybe his follow up of "Boring book" was enough to keep the wolves from snarling at his heels.
Anamika - once again I'm trying understand your comment - particularly the last bit.

Anamika's comments continue to puzzle....I think she was parroting me when I used the "p" word - lol.


And at least he had read it before hating, it seems. I can't remember if I found the writing boring, it is such a long time ago when I read the book and I had already seen the movie, but knowing it's real and what happened later, I think calling it boring is a bit stupid. But people are...
And I agree with Mae, I think this discussion has been strangely entertaining.

In a train-wreck kinda a style? That´s how i perceive it.
I am not about to waste any more fingertips explaining the obvious to someone who is enjoying so much all the hububb, but i simply check it to see if the explanation is here, already....kinda curious about it.

I am not even that curious, because I don't care that much, I just like to engage in debates sometimes. :-)

I am not even that curious, because I don't care that much, I just like to engage in debates sometimes. :-)"
Yep debating is good, but when donne with people who are high-spirited enough to agree to disagree, when they stand on opposite sides of the questionand none of them is about to budge.


I was about Anne's age when I read this and I had no idea about my family history; one day, as a curious 13-year old I was talking to my mother about this incredible book and that was when she told me that my father is Jewish. Hi grandparents had fled the pogroms and settled in the UK. He had endured the most dreadful childhood, here in the UK, back in the 1920's. He was made to stand in the corner of the classroom with a dunce's cap on his head. Why? Because he was the only Jewish boy in class! There were many instances of bullying and racism, and finally, as an extremely intelligent teenager when he began to question religion and all that it stood for, he renounced the Jewish faith whihc did not go down well with his family. Unfortunately that did not make any less Jewish, and so he has carried the - I don't know what you'd call it - a stigma, a "difference" - all his life. He married a Shiksa (my mum), so of course was vilified again by his family. He is now an old man in his mid-90's, still with my mum, and the past is just a dim memory. He has never discussed his family history with me or any of my siblings.
I cannot say the Anne's diary has influenced my life, but it certainly had an impact at the time, and I remember developing a new understanding for my father. I think this is why I find Anamika's bald declaration of hating the diary so utterly stupid.
So, there you go - my reasons for following this thread


What made the situation peculiar, was that at the same time there were German troops in Finland. And because of one of those strange twists of fate, Finnish Jews served brothers-in-arms with them, some women as volunteers, and three were even awarded the German Iron Cross (which they refused, of course). They even had a field synagogue, quite close to the German troops, and permissions from their senior officers to visit during the Jewish holidays, if possible.
While reading the diary I also had already heard my father's stories about seeing Soviet planes over his home as a kid, on their way to bomb a small town nearby. He might have not known then but I already did about the threat they were facing at the time (only it was Stalin's mass executions and deportations instead of Hitler's). So I wasn't that shocked about the movie/book.

So, why do you hate it? Are you a Muslim? Do you hate all Jews? If so why?


okkaayy

You either have something interesting to say, in which case just say it - or keep quiet and go away.

Although Anamika, you should seriously just say why. You keep putting it off and I doubt it's that big of a deal and I can totally see why people are getting bored.

I don't for one second believe that anything Great will come out of her Great Reveal - it's like waiting for a magician to pull a rabbit out of a hat only to find the rabbit has run off. I suppose the rubberneck curiosity keeps me here - just as it it does you; you can see it's not exactly an interesting or intellectual debate.
Oh - and Belle - my name has a capital T at the beginning.....it has such an impact on me when people miss that ;)

lol. sorry my bad. ;) and yes, i totally agree with you. its the same with me, im just curious. i know i came off kinda strong and defensive. sorry bout' that. its just it really annoys me when people state their opinion like jerks. and then as if once wasn't enough they do it again and again. i just didn't see a point to what a lot of people were doing on here. XD

I see you gave Joodith a bit of a ragging for pointing out the subtle difference in the way we Brits and Americans use the English language; that was out of order and unnecessary, as she was stating fact...and it's a not a point of debate. For what it's worth, having read right through this thread before commenting, I came to the same conclusions as she did.

Anamika, can you understand why many of us are perplexed by your post? Essentially you have attacked an important and beloved work of literature without explaining why. We don't know if you're teasing us to get attention or if you have some valid reason behind your avowed "hatred."
The burden is upon you to clarify your position, not upon us to engage in guessing games.

I'm just rubbernecking myself.
Happy Bloomsday, all!

Which is what I said - like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat only to find the RABBIT HAS RUN OFF. Anamika started this thread with an outrageous comment and doesn't now how to put an end to it - there is no Great Reveal, and I doubt she's clever enough to even think of one.
And before anyone suggest this is bullying, it is not - it is just an observation! This is what forums are all about - someone starts a thread and opens a debate; sometimes they become passionate and heated, sometimes they die like a damp squib. I've stuck around, even though it's often as interesting as watching paint dry, for reasons explained earlier.

I think I might be coming a bit strong here, especially since I haven't posted before now, but I see no reason why you should be "annoyed that a someone is trying to deprive another person from defending."... It is my personal opinion that if you choose to do things a certain way, you must be ready to face the consequences. And from the moment you decided to start this discussion, phrasing it as you did, you must have been aware of how people would react. And if you weren't, some of the first comments were quite clear!
Saying you hate a book will always stir up discussion. If you give your reasons, that discussion can be productive. For example: I HATE most of Moby-Dick. I hate most of Moby-Dick BECAUSE the first few chapters got me hooked and then I felt like I had to drag myself through lots of boring, pointless chapters to get to an ending that, to me, wasn't satisfying. I know that we aren't discussing Moby-Dick, I'm just using this to illustrate the power of presenting your reasons for hating something, to say that opinions (however controversial) are valid and must be respected. However, if the point is to discuss them, they must be explained.
Sure, you are busy until July, much too busy to present your motives! I'm sorry to say, but the logical thing to me in that situation would have been to wait until July and begin a proper discussion then. Another alternative would be to, instead of showing up here occasionally to announce or insist that the great reveal is nigh and that you are serious and not at all immature, just write your reasons in instalments. Open a document, jot down a few lines, save it and resume the next day until it's done. You would spend the same amount of time on it as you spend on this discussion and we would get our answer sooner.
I'll just address two more points before I'm done, regarding your original post. Firstly, the idea of hating a book before you read it is just feels so wrong to me. Books are gateways to different worlds and you can't just open them with preconceived notions as strong as hate, because that, I think, lessens your chances to learn from that book. And in the case of this specific book there is so much to learn!
Lastly, I think it's only right that I answer your original question: I don't hate this diary. I don't hate this diary BECAUSE it makes me think of the horrible things humanity has done and been through and, at the same time, of human being's persistence and will to live in conditions that most of all consider hard to bear. Sure, it's not the most exciting book I ever read, and it doesn't leave me on the edge of my seat, but it still possesses a bittersweet kind of beauty that makes me glad that I have read it and that makes me reread it every once in a while.
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