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Anyone else hate this Diary
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Jul 18, 2014 02:16PM
Sorry Anamika, we are off topic, but I had to say it.
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What is disrespectful about raising a logical question based on behavior that seems strange? Is "she" or isn't "she"? All "she" has to do is explain herself.
I also apologize for any disrespect earlier. Looking back, I think I said one or two things that could have been interpreted as rude.Monty, I don't know about you, but I'd not like it if I started a thread and people stated saying I was a bot. I would probably be a bit offended. And I'm not easily offended... Also, not sure if you've read all her posts but she's explained some stuff, though admittedly not all.
*munches happily on popcorn before heading out to get on with the evening*
Mae wrote: "Gil wrote: "Group hug time?"wow talk about circular conversations…. Popcorn anyone?"
Hahaha history repeting itself
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George SantayanaI've got news for Mr. Santayana: we're doomed to repeat the past no matter what. That's what it is to be alive.” - Kurt Vonnegut
We are humans, therefore curious. Anamika's whole thread has been purposely vague and she dodges many direct questions. I think I might use this thread for my class when we discuss how to evaluate a source and using the internet with integrity. You need to know your audience and the presenters motivations. Of course she is not presenting herself as an expert on anything, but in order to assess the validity of her thread, many of us are asking, "Who is this person?" Fair question. If I authored a thread on this site, I would expect people to be curious about me. It comes with the territory.
As a teacher, I agree that Anamika seems to be more than one person. I teach Second Language Learners every day and some of her posts are written as such, and then others seem to be in a completely different, more mature style.
Computer? I doubt it. Young? I think so.12-14 yrs old is my guess. I think she was given an assignment in school, professed to hating the book and now wants to "prove" to someone- teacher, parent, friend- that she is not the only one who hates this book.
History was my major in college. I absolutely love it. I find the motives and actions of people throughout history fascinating. Especially since nothing really changes over time, when it comes to human nature. Love, hate, greed, admiration, desire for power - nothing new.
I know that often young people ( and older ones too) dislike history. It seems boring. It doesn't seem relevant to them, they didn't know the people, so why should they care? So it's important to read with an open mind and empathy and truly try to imagine yourself in the shoes of the person you are reading about. It is important to expose yourself to the world and different viewpoints. It's important to learn about the world we live in. It just is.
For me, that is why this thread has bothered me so much. I feel sorry for Anamika, I want her to be more curious, to want to learn, to want to discover the world, to not be so fast to declare things "boring" or "stupid" just because they are hard or elicit uncomfortable emotion. I hope she changes as she matures, as most of us usually do.
But as someone else pointed out, her thread belongs on facebook or instagram etc. This is essentially a (single) opinion poll, not a discussion.
Sara wrote: "Monty, I don't know about you, but I'd not like it if I started a thread and people stated saying I was a bot. I would probably be a bit offended. "It's okay to be offended. It's part of life. Having differences is how we learn about each other.
A. offended the hell out of a lot of people with the very topic "she" posted, by "hating" a work of art treasured by many. Maybe a little plain talk will flush her out into the open. Maybe "she" will learn something.
Maybe we will learn that "she" is not a she at all, but a smelly programmer in a cubicle in the moss-covered catacombs of an ancient office building.
Besides, its also okay to have a little fun if "she's" going to be so rude to people.
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))(((Scuttle)))((((Scar)))) wrote: "Well, since she's underage, her parents/guardians probably don't let her put a photo"How do we know she's underage? It's not in her profile.
Age disclosure should be a requirement, incidentally, on Goodreads' part, if someone is under 18.
If someone cannot properly identify themselves, they bear the risk of being misunderstood or misidentified, especially when they post outrageous and highly sensitive, potentially insulting material.
The burden in on Anamika to explain herself, not on us to walk on eggshells.
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))(((Scuttle)))((((Scar)))) wrote: "She has mentioned it in this group of ours, that she's underage. Also, in her profile, there's a link for her website, a blog probably I didn't click the link. Don't you think that a programmer wou..."I clicked on the link. It has nothing to do with "her." Here's what it opens with: "In my sex fantasy, nobody ever loves me for my mind.
Nora Ephron"
There's nothing complicated about inserting a link to a public web site.
A private profile is another tip-off for a troll or a troll bot if the topic is overly brief, open-ended, and outrageous.
Babafaba(Hypnos)((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))(((Scuttle)))((((Scar)))) wrote: "Well, it's not just the link, the last post on her website is on July the 16 which means that the blog is active. I don't think a programmer would bother keeping a blog active."The blog looks legit, but the writing there is head and shoulders above what Anamika posts here, except for this grammatical error in her profile: "Reading lets me escape reality and makes my mind filled with stories."
Either "she" has an editor or there's more than one person posting under her name.
Perhaps English isn't her first language. She apparently lives in India or is from there, judging from her name and the profile of her one friend.
Either way, I'm not wasting any more time over her.
Ah, a few illuminating words. We have apparently unmasked a precocious attention starved child somewhere in India. Bot or child, it has been a perplexing consumption of time. The mystery is solved as far as I am concerned. I've had all the fun I can stand on this thread. A dios, mi amigos.
Anamika wrote: "A girl would be the precise word.Now if you still have the robot theory in your mind,I would suggest you the word Goodbye"That's what I said. A dios, go with god. mi amigos, my friends.
Anamika wrote: "Well then why are you still here.Besides that was more like a general one."I am not here. I am a figment of your imagination.
I have to make a comment Anne's Diary. Anne originally wrote the diary for herself and no one else. After the Queen came out and told the country that diaries would be looked at and would be worthwhile if they were published after the War and with the person's permission, Anne thought that would be excellent and went back and rewrote parts of her diary. In other words, she edited it. She gave the people in the Hiding place different names, etc. However, the diary with its editing did survive and Anne's father had it published to honor his daughter. There is an edition that has Diary A and Diary B side by side so you can see the editing that occurred by Anne and by her father. The parts he edited out have since been put back in the diary. They were parts about the relationship he and Mrs. Frank had which he did not think were anyone else's business. The parts were put back when all parties involved had died.
Anamika. Don't post a photo if you're not comfortabel and don't let them pressure you to do it. I understand. It took me a long wile before I aded a picture of myself on goodreads and my face isn't even completely visible. (Sorry, that was of topic. But I really had to say it)
Pam wrote: "I have to make a comment Anne's Diary. Anne originally wrote the diary for herself and no one else. After the Queen came out and told the country that diaries would be looked at and would be wort..."How could Anne re-write parts of her diary - or anythig for that matter - when she died before the end of the war?
http://www.annefrank.org/en/Anne-Fran...
http://mentalfloss.com/article/51367/...
There are many other articles freely available on the internet.
Sandeep wrote: "It was a question of your intelligence quotient(IQ)and you did not understand the short lectures. Most scientifically valid IQ tests are available on the web today. What is your IQ?"Sandeep, your 'essay' was frankly revolting.
A) It is extremely rude to make unfounded and offensive assumptions about anyone's ancestors or past life experiences, especially the kind that you mentioned.
B) Everybody deserves to be respected. If you don't know this, I feel sorry for you. You mentioned victim blaming in your 'essay'. And yet, you are blaming Anamika for the verbal attack she underwent here.
C) Like Anamika said, it is recommended that you keep on topic, which is Anne's journal. If you want to discuss Indian history with Anamika or anyone else, I would suggest opening a topic about it somewhere else.
Sandeep wrote: "Here Anamika and Laura are not talking about the Germans, The perpetrator of crime. And Only supporting the hating of "Diary of young girl" by Anne frank, without any suitable reasons."Wait a minute. Do not come saying I support the hating of this journal, just because I found your comment offensive. At least have the decency of reading what I commented about the journal itself. Your habit of making unfounded assumptions about people is starting to annoy me.
We are not discussing the Germans for two reasons:
A. The Germans were not the perpetrators. The Nazis were. Not all Germans were Nazis, for your information.
B. This thread is not to discuss the World War II, but the book itself.
Hi Anamika, you still haven't explained WHY you want to find other people who share it. You have said you are "researching", but haven't explained that either - this is what people want to know.
Sandeep wrote: "They are not hating the diary but the GIRL Anne frank...... To summarise"Sandeep, I will repeat it to you. Stop assuming stuff about me that you have no clue whatsoever. If you don't understand what was written, ask.
Anamika wrote: "Um..the researching huh?I'll explain that some other time.Why I want to find out:It's because I plan to take my next step after knowing that.Like I said,I'm giving it a try once again but how and w..."Your answer, as usual, is gobbledegook - in other words, nonsense. Once more your evasiveness both irritates and frustrates; you churn out this "some other time" rubbish constantly and then expect people to believe that you are an intelligent, rational person with valid opinions.
Gil wrote: "How could Anne re-write parts of her diary - or anythig for that matter - when she died before the end of the war?"I think she had enough time while in hiding to edit the part(s) she had already written before she heard that people's diaries might get published.
Αnamika, you're a classic attention seeker. It's painfully obvious to anyone that you specifically chose a book that would attract the most controversy, and then made a vague remark about "hating it" without explaining why just to provoke. You can dislike something, but saying that you hate something without having any idea why is rubbish. Goodreads is a place for discussing books, not for teenage girl drama. I would suggest that you get your drama elsewhere, and come back when you're old (and mature) enough to make valid points and explain your position.
Anamika wrote: "A girl would be the precise word.Now if you still have the robot theory in your mind,I would suggest you the word Goodbye"Okay you're a girl who speaks English. Now tell us what you hate about the book? What did you hate about it before you even read it? Just answer those questions that are logical discussion responses to your direct statements. If you can't then I will assume you are the bot as has been proposed.
Gil wrote: "Pam wrote: "I have to make a comment Anne's Diary. Anne originally wrote the diary for herself and no one else. After the Queen came out and told the country that diaries would be looked at and w..."She edited parts of it while she was in the Attic. She talks about it in her diary.
Anamika, if you want to learn more about her diary and yet not read the Diary which is hard to do at times, try either the play version (which is not very good) or try "A Friend Called Anne", "The Hidden Life of Anne Frank", or "Roses for Earth". There are other books that tell of Anne's life in the Attic which are more of a story than the Diary. Or you can go online to the Anne Frank House and get information there. Diaries are sometimes very difficult for others to read, especially since they skip around. Try getting her story and later go back and try the Diary again.
Monty J wrote: The Troll Bot project has been going on at Goodreads for a couple years now. The Troll Bot profile is characteristically brief, no real photo, young female feigning innocence, often a student; Doesn't contribute much in their post; Asks open-ended controversial questions designed to arouse emotion and /or controversy."It's the "I'll Get Back To You Later" responses that have me convinced... that's an exception handler that's fallen through a "case" statement, or a LISP search that's errored out on a null pointer, if I ever saw one...
If you guys have been following the thread, you would have noticed by now, that Anamika has changed her views a little and her control of the thread. She has even admitted that she will try to read the diary again and revalue her opinion. I think the problem is that she wanted a poll and entered a thread. threads are commonly used for the discussion of questions, something she is starting to understand, whereas polls are a yes or no answer which is what she was looking for.
Anamika wrote: "Gil wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Um..the researching huh?I'll explain that some other time.Why I want to find out:It's because I plan to take my next step after knowing that.Like I said,I'm giving it a ..."Maybe somewhere in this other work you have to do is an edit of your review on this diary?
Jenny, Anamika actually answered your questions a week or two ago, July 6th I think.Sandeep, it's not agood idea to make lots of assumptions about someone you don't know and lecture them based on those assumptions.
Anamika, neat that you're willing to give the diary another try in a few years.
At the risk of being shouted at, pounced on or accused of picking on Anamika, I looked at a "group" she started some time ago - seems she's the only member, but here is a list of books apparently read this year. There is one glaring omission:https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
you make yourself sound like the victim.
Aha - I wondered when you would pop out of the woodwork!
LOL! At least check your facts. Her group has 11 members. So, while you were over there obsessively prying on Anamika's profile, things here had relaxed and she even said that she was willing to give the journal another chance in a few years. You know, in case you actually care about the central theme of this discussion. The journal, remember?
Gil wrote: "Aha - I wondered when you would pop out of the woodwork!"wow. At least im not so obsessive that all i do is come on here and restate my opinion over and over again.
Belle wrote: "Gil wrote: "Aha - I wondered when you would pop out of the woodwork!"wow. At least im not so obsessive that all i do is come on here and restate my opinion over and over again."
Ah, Belle, but that's exactly what you do...sometimes in a really LOUD AMERICAN VOICE just in case we can't hear you.
And Laura - don't tell me you don't look at profiles of other people. Of course you do....that's why people write their profiles. So don't go preaching to me about "prying"; you've obviously looked as well to see that she states 11 members - do you see any comments by other members? I don't. Yes, I'm curious about Anamika - and why shouldn't I be? When someone makes such ridiculous comments it's bound to arouse curiosity - I dare say you've poked around in my profile, and probably everyone else who has added to this thread.
Ah yes, the central theme of this thread; I'm so glad you remember it after all the sanctimonious twaddle you went in for several pages ago when you, along with Leslie, dominated the thread with accusations of bullying. I really don't think there's anything to add to the theme of this thread - it's been beaten to death several times.
It really is time you got down off your high and mighty pedestal before you fall off and break your neck.
Gil, you are hilarious. I only see the profiles of people who write to me directly or invite me to be friends. I have zero interest in you, so I haven't seen yours. I know her group has 11 members because I clicked on the link that you posted here. I thought it would be that other thread you keep mentioning ad nauseam. The fact that you see me in a pedestal says a lot about you.You were the one to come back here with hostile comments about Anamika, then Belle, then me. Things were calming down and comments were very civil again. Now, are you going to discuss Anne Frank's journal or do you just want to pick a fight?
Gil wrote: "Belle wrote: "Gil wrote: "Aha - I wondered when you would pop out of the woodwork!"wow. At least im not so obsessive that all i do is come on here and restate my opinion over and over again."
Ah..."
wow. what the hell does me being American have to do with anything? yeah, congrats, now you sound like a racist. And the reason I say it loud is because apparently you're deaf and dont understand that no one cares!
Belle wrote: "yeah, congrats, now you sound like a racist"I wasn't aware that "American" was a race...
Once again I am flabbergasted. Anamika, your statement, "I don't want to continue hating this diary," seems so unreal to me that I don't see how it can be plausible.You've listed your reasons for hating the book in your review and somewhere in the 27 pages of this thread. I pulled from your review because I found it easier to locate: "It was really annoying and lacks originality in my opinion.Considering the fact that it shouldn't have been published on the first place,to me,her thoughts were infuriating."
First, since the book has been published for decades, I foresee no rewrite in the future, her thoughts and expression aren't going to change. The diary cannot change so that you don't hate it. Second, why do you not want to hate it after having hated it before you read it and afterwards? Why is your own opinion towards a book something you don't like?
Dusty Bibliophile wrote: "I foresee no rewrite in the future, her thoughts and expression aren't going to change. The diary cannot change so that you don't hate it."Do you have the exact same feelings for everything that you had years ago? Have you not changed your mind or your tastes about anything at all with time? Are you the exact same person? Are your reactions exactly the same? I seriously doubt it.
Tytti wrote: "Belle wrote: "yeah, congrats, now you sound like a racist"I wasn't aware that "American" was a race..."
-_- well whatever. A culture. Meaning what does me being American have o do with it. If I am loud that has nothing to do with where I live, but with me. jeez.
I'm not sure if you intended to come across as aggressive, Laura, but your post seems very aggressive to me. And before you try to attack my post, I had no intention of coming across as aggressive or hostile. I am honestly confounded why someone would want to feel differently than they do. As for your questions, I made no initmation about the impact of time or changes in personality or tastes. So, if you want to point to that, then the first point is moot. Anamika may change and like the diary at a later point. I'm still flummoxed as to why she doesn't want to feel the way she feels, though. It's not a crime to have an opinion or something to be ashamed of. Anamika has shown real character sticking by her opinion regardless of the posts in this thread that criticized her. And her nod to the recommendation made numerous times to give the diary another chance some point in the future is admirable. But none of this removes the shock I felt when, from seemingly out of the blue, she posted that she didn't want to hate the diary.
It was not entirely out of the blue. After all that has been said about the journal in this thread (I'm not referring to the insults, but what was said about the book itself), I don't see why it's shocking and flabbergasting that she doesn't want to hate it. I also can't see where exactly you read an aggression or an attack in my comment. I keep re-reading it and truly don't see it.
Laura wrote: "Do you have the exact same feelings for everything that you had years ago? Have you not changed your mind or your tastes about anything at all with time?"That might matter with some novel but the Diary isn't a novel. It doesn't require much to understand the difference and anyone with some education and intelligence should be able to see it.
Tytti wrote: "It doesn't require much to understand the difference and anyone with some education and intelligence should be able to see it."Oh, if only I had any of those things!
Well I understood that this wasn't a novel and shouldn't be judged like one when I was maybe about 10 or 12 years old, so yeah, I don't really see how getting older would make that much of a difference.
Yes, it is quite obvious that some people stay with the attitudes of a teen for their whole lives.
Again, this isn't a novel, it's not made up, it happened for real. Even a child should understand that. How would a "teen attitude" change that?
Dusty Bibliophile, I'd like to address your comment "I am honestly confounded why someone would want to feel differently than they do."If I am not open minded about something, and recognize it, I want to be able to become more open minded. That's an example of someone wanting to change their opinion for good.
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