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message 551: by Joan (new)

Joan KimeyDian, be sure you are sufficiently hydrated. Dehydration after a good party can affect you for days. Don't waste you money on Pedialyte - water and juice work just as well, taste better, and are cheaper. Hope you feel better soon.


message 552: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11296 comments My husband suffers from vertigo from time to time, Kimey. Last serious episode was 10 years ago. *fingers crossed*. He never found something helpful, unfortunately. Lay in the bad with one foot on the floor and wait seems to be the only thing that works for him.


message 553: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Found a 2012 f250 with 30000 miles on it so going to pick it up today. I like my Mercury Mariner but miss having a truck since the frame break fiasco. When we went to look at it I told my wife let's look at some new ones to make sure there aren't sales or rebates because if we could get a new one for $5000 more because of circumstances like that were better off. Yeah. Cheapest one was $46,000 and they had one in the garage they just sold for $75000. I assure you the used one was not within $5000


message 554: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments I think Rusalka posted something once with a sock and salt to get rid of fluid in your ears? But it sounds a bit strange now that I write it so I could be totally wrong.

Enjoy the snowday and the puzzles Sandra!


message 555: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11296 comments So far, I am feeling the Superintendent is my worst enemy, but I hope it improves. :)


message 556: by Tejas Janet (new)

Tejas Janet (tejasjanet) | 3513 comments Kristie wrote: "That is the challenge, Joan. I think it's important to be able to hear other people's opinions, form your own opinions, and stand up for what you believe in respectfully.
I wish more people would..."


I agree with you except it gets problematic when prominent individuals in positions of power don't play by these rules. How do you respectfully listen to intolerance and "alternative facts"?


message 557: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Thanks, Joan. I drink lots of water so hopefully I have that covered.

@Sandra, a coworker went and picked up some OTC meds for me yesterday that did help with the symptoms some. I think it was bonine or something like that. Basically just a motion sickness med, but it did help somewhat. Keep that in mind if your husband ever has another bout with vertigo. It is such a bad feeling!

@Peggy, the salty sock sounds familiar actually! I've done a little research today and one potential remedy I'm going to try is a solution of 50/50 rubbing alcohol and vinegar. I've heard of that for swimmer's ear, but never thought about it for something like this. And the other thing I should have thought about but totally didn't is the netti pot! I use it for a stuffy nose or sore throat caused by post nasal drip, but I always forget about it for ear problems.


message 558: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19323 comments True, TJ! They set a very bad example.


message 559: by Tejas Janet (new)

Tejas Janet (tejasjanet) | 3513 comments KimeyDiann, vertigo can also be related to calcium crystals in the inner ear. Tends to crop up more as we age, but you might try some of the suggested exercises and see if they help. Might not help, but it won't hurt either and is free. But if the cause is fluid build up in the middle ear, these exercises won't address the problem. Have to try to get eustachian tube cleared. I have both problems occur at times. Not usually at the same time fortunately. For middle ear fluid congestion, I take otc decongestant (generic name, guaifenesin) and drink plenty of water. Hope your problem clears up soon! Vertigo is very uncomfortable. Scary too. Be extra careful with walking, driving, etc.


message 560: by Mariab (last edited Jan 31, 2017 05:26PM) (new)

Mariab | 3059 comments KimeyDiann wrote: "Enjoy the snowday with your kiddos, Sandra! It is supposed to be about 70f (21c) here today. Which is crazy because yesterday morning it was well below freezing.

I've been dealing with vertigo sy..."


Vertigo has to do with: eyes, ear or (in occasions) with cervical lesions (like hernias). I would check those.
The other thing is when you are taking medications, some medicines can give you vertigo


message 561: by Joan (new)

Joan We had a beautiful snow here, maybe an inch - I took the dog for a walk in the woods up to a nearby harbor.
I wish I was a painter or a poet because the steel-gray bay under a gray sky with fog and falling snow was just gorgeous.


message 562: by Tejas Janet (new)

Tejas Janet (tejasjanet) | 3513 comments I changed my profile picture today. Not sure where to post about this? My new profile picture is grandfather and grandson photo that i really like.


message 563: by Sandra, Moderator (new)

Sandra (sanlema) | 11296 comments What a thoughtful way of honor his grandfather, TJ. Who are they? Are they your relatives?


message 564: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Peggy wrote: "I think Rusalka posted something once with a sock and salt to get rid of fluid in your ears? But it sounds a bit strange now that I write it so I could be totally wrong.

Enjoy the snowday and the ..."


Nope. You're right


message 565: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Salt sock instructions again for 2017:
Old cotton/wool sock. Not much poly in it.
Cheap table salt.

Fill the toe up with salt so it is a good ball shape. Twist the sock up and flip it over itself so it doesn't pour salt everywhere. Do again if you can. Slightly wet the sock (spray bottle works well or under a slow running tap). Whack in the microwave for about 20 secs. You want it hot, but not so hot that the wool/cotton burns or the poly blen melts. Put on your ear, and feel the goodness.

I use for ear problems, sinuses, infected teeth. Anything that is fluidy based in my sinus region, that could use heat too soothe and fluid removal.


message 566: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Right, so that done. I hope you feel better Kimey. Last time I had vertigo like that, there was a weird virus going around. We thought it was weird and maybe it was something else, and then my boss' partner got the same thing (and he saw the doctor and got it confirmed).

I was just admiring your photo, TJ.

Snow sounds lovely Joan. We just got a cool change with rain through today. It's been 36-38C for days, Soaking it up (hah) as by Friday it'll be back up there (they are talking up to 40C) for the whole weekend.

Past couple of days stuff. Fantastic news Peggy. We have a media star in our midst.

Trump. I have been so incredibly upset I actually have been hiding away. I am appalled, but I'm not trying to bring it up again. It has made me feel literally physically sick.

On top of that, I had a job application due yesterday I decided to apply for on a bit of a whim. Due at 11.55pm last night, I got it done and submitted at 11.35pm. "Best" bits of that was after working on it at work, I left my hand written notes on my desk and realised at home. I thought "ah well, not great, but I have the usb with the app... shit." still in my work computer. Back to work I went. Then InDesign (which is the program my resume is in) decided my licence had expired at 10pm. Argh. Not my best application but it would have been silly not to go for it. It's done.

Then I was buzzing from stale adrenaline, so stayed up for ages. Then went to bed to read, as Lexx is travelling for work. Book started hinting at possible animal violence and I decided I wasn't reading that all hyped up and then alone to sleep, so was wandering around the house at 1.30am looking for something to read. I have no idea how I functioned today.

Other news, we tried making blue cheese on thursday as we had the day off (Australia Day), and I just checked it before to change the ice packs, and it's turning blue! It's been off white for almost a week and now it's suddenly started to mould up. It's all very weird. I'l take a picture when it's a bit more obvious.


message 567: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 18550 comments @Rusalka - Fingers crossed for the job app. Sounds like how my previous apps have gone. lol. Last minute all the way! I had to help my partner do one a couple weeks back and again, last minute and it took forever then at the end we rushed it.

I think ditching the book was a good move before bed. I'm having to limit my news intake at the moment as like you have been feeling the effects of it. For me, I was getting a bit anxious. So I'm reading bits but knowing when to stop and move on to something more fun and fantastical. Hence binge watching Game of Thrones and reading a book by an author I love and that is bound to be an easy read.

The cheese sounds fab. I've been playing about with different water kefir recipes. I know not the same as cheese but it's fun trying out new things. I must have a go at the kimchi after we talked about it a few days back. Have you made the spanokopita yet from that recipe?


message 568: by Peggy (new)

Peggy (pebbles84) | 15868 comments Good luck with the job application Rusalka!

I also try to not read/watch things that I find upsetting in the hours before I go to bed, because that will surely cause me to lose sleep.


message 569: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Lol yes, it is a bit of a habit. And I always want to write things like "I possess exceptional time management and prioritisation skills which are frequently demonstrated BY ME WRITING THIS WITH 45 MINS TO GO!!!"

Lol I decided to watch the last two seasons of Downtown Abbey over the weekend.

Not yet! It's just been so hot. I made risotto tonight as Lexx doesn't like it (but turns out my recipe was for a bucket... oops), but also coz it was finally cool enough to eat something hot. First cool weekend though, and I am all over it.


message 570: by Rusalka, Moderator (new)

Rusalka (rusalkii) | 19221 comments Thanks guys, we will see how it goes. Not overly fussed which is a good way to be. It's a sideways move, so if I stay where I am I don't loose anything.

I don't usually moderate what I watch or read before bed. But I knew I was so hyped up, and then not having anyone else in the house, which rarely happens. So better to play it safe, just in case


message 571: by Janice, Moderator (new)

Janice (jamasc) | 60073 comments Rusalka wrote: "Trump. I have been so incredibly upset I actually have been hiding away. I am appalled, but I'm not trying to bring it up again. It has made me feel literally physically sick..."

I'm in total agreement there. I've been trying to stop reading the various articles that come across my computer for my own peace of mind. I can't imagine how I'd feel if this was going on in my own country.


message 572: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments And here I'm finding Trump fascinating. I'm reading all the news articles and I'm doing a mini-project on Understanding America to try and get some perspective on how and why. There is apparently a whole lot about the United States that I didn't know.


message 573: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments I read this article yesterday about going a month without complaining and it has really inspired me!

(https://www.fastcompany.com/3042951/h...)

I don't consider myself a complainer and I always try to find the silver lining in bad situations, but this article really made me think that I probably gripe more than I realize. So I'm taking the challenge that is talked about & linked to in the article to not complain for the entire month of February! It just so happens to start today so it was perfect timing to stumble onto the article.


message 574: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Rusalka wrote: "Salt sock instructions again for 2017:
Old cotton/wool sock. Not much poly in it.
Cheap table salt.

Fill the toe up with salt so it is a good ball shape. Twist the sock up and flip it over itself ..."


Thanks, Rusalka!


message 575: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments I'm not sure I could go a month without complaining, I might spontaneously combust due to holding it all in. :)

You'll let us know how it turns out though?? I'd be curious if you feel more positive at the end.


message 576: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19323 comments KimeyDiann wrote: "I read this article yesterday about going a month without complaining and it has really inspired me!

(https://www.fastcompany.com/3042951/h......"


I'm saving that to read later, Kimey. It looks interesting. I don't think I could start that challenge today though... it has been a tough morning and I've done plenty of complaining already. (Dealing with insurance companies, etc, so frustrating!)


message 577: by Kristie, Moderator (new)

Kristie | 19323 comments Dawn wrote: "I'm not sure I could go a month without complaining, I might spontaneously combust due to holding it all in. :)

You'll let us know how it turns out though?? I'd be curious if you feel more positiv..."


hahaha :)


message 578: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Dawn wrote: "I'm not sure I could go a month without complaining, I might spontaneously combust due to holding it all in. :)

You'll let us know how it turns out though?? I'd be curious if you feel more positiv..."


That is part of it, you have to go in knowing you aren't going to succeed 100% and know that sometimes, you just have to vent about the crappy things that happen. If you hold everything in just for the sake of not complaining, you will explode! It isn't about pretending that everything is peachy all of the time, its about changing the way you react to things. And mainly the little things. Instead of complaining that I hate cold and rainy weather, which is something I obviously can't change, don't focus on and talk about it. Research shows that focusing/talking about these things releases stress hormones which will make you feel worse.


message 579: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments One thing to remember is Trump has made enemies with the media. He has outright called them the opposition. So remember there is a lot of bias out there right now and everything is not as cut and dry as it may seem. Things are very interesting right now. It's too early to start sorting the positives and the negatives.

Funny fact Obama had actually signed far more resolutions and such his first week in office. The difference is presidents do all that early stuff privately where trump wants people to see him every time. He wants the limelight. Some of the things hes done is just standard practice but we never know about it. The other thing is he is the first president to attempt to do do every single campaign promise. The hardest thing people are learning is to take him both literally and seriously. Everyone has always tried to figure out what he means because politicians use double talk. Not this time he means it. All of it. It's a lot to wrap your head around.

I saw a meme something about Republicans cheer while Democrats complain about Bush and Democrats cheer while Republicans complain about Obama's actions. For the first time Republicans and Democrats unite to both complain on trump. Not completely true but pretty funny especially with the accompanying pictures I don't even know where I saw it. Obviously a lot of people supporting all his moves and most of us just not sure at this point. We have to see where this all is leading. Try to follow the AG markets right now. Holy roller coasters. We don't know where our trade agreements are at and commodities especially are just all over the place.


message 580: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments KimeyDiann wrote: "Instead of complaining that I hate cold and rainy weather..."

My best friend and I alternate on this one. I tell her how wonderful cold and rain is (because I like it) and she tells me how great the sun and heat are (obviously, because she likes it), and thus we manage to get our butts out the door for walks year round, because at least one of us is enjoying the weather. :)


message 581: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments That is great that you can motivate each other, Dawn! And I'm sure that even though one of you doesn't like whatever weather you happen to be having, you still get to enjoy each others company! And this reminds me of something I've been saying a lot lately. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go 'round.


message 582: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments Travis of NNY wrote: "The difference is presidents do all that early stuff privately where trump wants people to see him every time. He wants the limelight. Some of the things hes done is just standard practice but we never know about it...."

Also, a lot of the stuff he's doing isn't new. It's been done before. The funding for the abortion clinics, that goes up and down every time there is a party change. Banning the 7 countries, done before, after the 9/11 attacks. Building the Wall, that has been an ongoing Republican project (though it has been a fence, not a wall) and in fact they allocated 1.1 billion to building more fencing in 2010.

I think the interesting part is the difference between what we're actually hearing about and it makes me wonder what we're not hearing about. What is going on in the background, the world is obsessed with Trump, what is getting done with no fanfare?

I'm also pretty impressed with how other countries are stepping up to the plate as the US is stepping away, it may possibly be good from a global perspective for everyone to stop relying on America for everything, though I'm not certain how good for American it will be.

The part I'm possibly most interested in is how the trade negotiations will go, I know they want to make America first but trade is a two way street and it could have negative consequences to start those kind of tit for tat negotiations.


message 583: by Joan (new)

Joan Dawn wrote: "KimeyDiann wrote: "Instead of complaining that I hate cold and rainy weather..."

My best friend and I alternate on this one. I tell her how wonderful cold and rain is (because I like it) and she t..."


What a great friendship


message 584: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments It is a great friendship, one of the best I've ever had. :)


message 585: by Joan (new)

Joan Dawn wrote: "Travis of NNY wrote: "The difference is presidents do all that early stuff privately where trump wants people to see him every time. He wants the limelight. Some of the things hes done is just stan..."

It seems to me that people complain about regulations but they don't want folks speeding past their own house or dumping toxins in their own backyard and they expect the food they buy to be wholesome. As if The Jungle isn't relevant.


message 586: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments Ha, oh god, that makes me laugh.

I work in local government and you're right on with that comment. The Bylaw officer here would have some choice comments to make about such people. :)


message 587: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments Yup. The trade question is will the gains outweigh the losses. We're gonna have to give up some things to get some things in trade. Agriculture is quite concerned as we tend to draw the short stick. We like the new USDA head we like the new EPA head. Somixed feelings so far. And agriculture as a whole supported trump. Still waiting to see how this unfolds. Very nervous on the NAFTA front. We need Mexico our #3 AG trader and Canada is big although I know not it's rank. NAFTA is vital to agriculture. We want to see some talks with China. And looking to march 2019 we have big hopes for filling that UK market. This whole Brexit thing there's a need in UK they aren't supplying enough and there's a shortage there but we can't negotiate until March 2019. Of course we want to add UK to Mexico and Canada not give them up through bad relationship. Let's also not forgot the American farmer uses a lot of Mexican and Guatemalan labor. And it does the best it can to make sure they have green cards. Sometimes their forged but for the most part I think the illigal immigrant work force is a very low percentage. There's a lot of paperwork to employ these folks . AMD they aren't taking anyone's jobs. If lazy Americans came and worked as hard as our immigrants we'd hire them. They're too lazy.


message 588: by Lisa (last edited Feb 01, 2017 11:50AM) (new)

Lisa (lisathebooklover) | 9244 comments Rusalka wrote: "Right, so that done. I hope you feel better Kimey. Last time I had vertigo like that, there was a weird virus going around. We thought it was weird and maybe it was something else, and then my boss..."

Good luck with the job app, Rusalka!

I'm trying not to read the media reports on Trump anymore because it's impossible to tell how much of it is fact and how much is fiction. At the end of the day, he is the President and he will do what he will do, be it for better or worse. I just wish our politicians here in the UK would stop talking and start acting, particularly when it comes to issues like Brexit. They spend a lot of time telling us what they are going to do but not much time actually doing it. We just go round and round in circles. Or so it feels to me anyway.


message 589: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments I thought you might have some opinions on the trade front from a farming perspective. Because of what I do I tend to think in terms of construction and I know there are a lot of concerns there as well.

My sister works in the landscaping industry and she has the same thing to say about immigrant labour. It's not like anyone that's already here wants those jobs, there is a reason we're importing Mexican labour and that the greenhouses are all run by the South Asian community. In our case we are literally importing the Mexican labour though, it's pretty hard to make it this far illegally.
I spend a fair amount of time in California and it looks like the entire minimum wage labour force there is all immigrant, I can't imagine how they would survive without them.

Oh, and just in general, as a trading partner, Canada is the States #1 trading partner (and vice versa). Then China and then Mexico, and then Japan. So all these agreements are going to be important.


message 590: by Travis (new)

Travis (travistousant) | 6011 comments I was going to guess either #1 or #2 on trade Dawn. I think our hope with the wall. There is gonna be a wall. Is that people will come and go legally through customs. We still want the migrant workers and we want them legally. The wall could potentially cut down some paperwork ensuring us they're legal. We in no way want to ban Mexicans. But you know when you have 10 migrants and they find out they're illegal and they get hauled away leaving you with no work force that just isn't good for anyone. And I saw that happen here locally a few years ago. Nearby I mean. That farmer had no help for a month to milk his 1000 cows. The work got done but it was so hard finding help. Finally he got another crew if migrants and business as usual.


message 591: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Travis of NNY wrote: "If lazy Americans came and worked as hard as our immigrants we'd hire them. They're too lazy. "

That is part of the problem we have. So many people want the cushy office jobs where they can bring home a big paycheck with minimal effort. They don't want to do hard manual labor. I work in the construction industry (in a cushy office job lol) and we have an incredibly hard time finding skilled labor. Colleges in our area either don't have very many technical programs, or if they do, they don't do much towards recruiting for them. And let me tell you, a skilled tradesman often makes quite a bit more money with less education costs than some of those with crippling debt sitting behind a desk.


message 592: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments I just rather assumed that there was a significantly larger group of illegal migrant workers in the border states like California, vs yourself and that they would be hit very hard by the crack down on the illegal work force. I suppose it will depend on how fast and effective the plan ends up being, and hopefully they will come to some kind of mutually satisfactory solution to maintaining a workforce where it's needed.


message 593: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments KimeyDiann wrote: "I work in the construction industry (in a cushy office job lol) ..."

Hey, me too! :)

And I know the local contractors have the same kind of issue, getting the skilled labour force.
The government here has been advertising jobs in trades as a good career in order to convince people to get into it, including women.


message 594: by Joan (new)

Joan Travis of NNY wrote: "One thing to remember is Trump has made enemies with the media. He has outright called them the opposition. So remember there is a lot of bias out there right now and everything is not as cut and d..."

Just because I'm compulsive about facts: Trump 6 exec. orders in 7 days, Obama 9 in 10 days.
Also the Facebook post about what president signed the most is um - one of those alternate facts- for recent Presidents: George W 291, Obama 276, Reagan 381.


message 595: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments Great stats Joan, I didn't think to look that one up at all.


message 596: by Joan (new)

Joan @Dawn, sometimes I wonder how I found happiness before Google :)


message 597: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments I'm always telling people to ask The Google, because it knows everything. :)


message 598: by KimeyDiann (new)

KimeyDiann | 2174 comments Dawn wrote: "KimeyDiann wrote: "I work in the construction industry (in a cushy office job lol) ..."

Hey, me too! :)

And I know the local contractors have the same kind of issue, getting the skilled labour fo..."


What sort of construction does your company do?

Because my company sometimes works on projects for or funded by the federal government, we are supposed to actively recruit women, minorities, veterans, and those with disabilities to work for us. Then they come in during construction and see if we actually have those categories working for us. Minorities we always have, veterans there are some, disabilities are less because most people don't want to self identify as having a disability, but women is the hardest group for us to fill. I think we might have 2-3 women working in non-office jobs across all of our projects right now. And those aren't in the "skilled" positions, they are in the "helper" positions.


message 599: by Dawn (new)

Dawn (caveatlector) | 1796 comments I'm actually on the regulatory side, so I work for the local government as a building inspector. I've been doing it for over 10 years and I can probably count on 1 hand the amount of times I've seen a woman on the tools. It's super rare.

There are more woman in my type of job, especially over the last few years, but very few that actually go to the job sites like I do. Most of them do the office side of the job only, like the plan reviews and customer service aspect. I'll also see them as draftsmen or engineers, but not much else.

It would be a really good job and I am often surprised that more women don't take up plumbing or electrical, they seem like the type of jobs that would benefit from a woman's finesse and I know they pay good, really good if you get on with the right company.


message 600: by Joan (new)

Joan Off topic question!
Do you peel carrots before eating them?


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