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May 09, 2016 03:53AM
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Sarah, can we get the formula used to adjust the points???So, the math wizards on my team can figure out, what we need to read to close the gap???
I remember you explained this to me probably last June, but I can't remember :-)
Oooh! That would be super helpful! I keep trying to figure out how much we need to read to close the gap, but it's too tough. Lol :)
Sarah we have had a member pull out of group Cherry we are down to 4 participants now :( only 3 have posted reviews but the 4th will post soon.
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Who has pulled out? Points are currently adjusted for only the people who have posted reviews.
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So, the math wizards on my team can figure out, what we need to read to close the gap???
I remember you explained this to me probably last..."
The formula is simply the total points, divided by the number of books read by each team this year on April 25th. The number of books read will change if people drop out or join teams though.
Current numbers are:
Strawberry 390
Cherry 326
Pineapple 336
Orange 329
Peach 235
Blueberry 369
Sarah wrote: "Gillian wrote: "Sarah we have had a member pull out of group Cherry we are down to 4 participants now :( only 3 have posted reviews but the 4th will post soon."Who has pulled out? Points are curr..."
Katherine told us today she would not be abel to join :(
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___________|_Buddy_|__Points__|__Total__|__Points
___________|_Reads_|__Earned__|________|Adjusted
Blueberry___|__29___|_18300__|_120.50__|__326.55
Peach_______|__21___|_10892__|__75.46__|__321.10
Strawberry__|__37___|_17611__|_125.05__|__320.64
Orange______|__13___|_10016__|__63.08__|__191.73
Cherry______|__15___|__8668__|__58.34__|__178.95
Pineapple___|__14___|__8957__|__58.78__|__174.94
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___________|_Buddy_|__Points__|__Total_
___________|_Reads_|__Earned__|_______
Pear_______|___5___|__6373___|__36.86
Kiwi_______|___4___|___5476__|__31.38
Raspberry__|___2___|___5408__|__29.04
Plum_______|___4___|___4288__|__25.44
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___________|_Buddy_|__Points__|__Total_
___________|_Reads_|__Earned__|_______
Banana_____|___4___|____5122__|__29.61
Melon______|___6___|___4027__|_26.13
Mango______|___4___|___3670___|__22.35
Apple______|___3___|____1994__|__12.97
Grape______|___0___|____430__|__2.15
Sarah wrote: "Current Scores (fun):___________|_Buddy_|__Points__|__Total_
___________|_Reads_|__Earned__|_______
Banana_____|___4___|____5122__|__29.61
Melon______|___6___|___4027__|_26.13
Mango______|___..."
Go team Banana!!! :D
This is just my opinion, but I think it confuses people because we don't really see the math. If it were something simple like:
Team A
5 people
Read 1,000 pages
1,000/5 = 200
Team B
4 people
Read 1,000 pages
1,000/4=250
Team A= 200 points
Team B= 250 points
everyone would get it.
Personally, I just trust that the mods can do math because I sure can't. :) They have a system, though and it works. We should all be grateful they have the patience to do this.
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___________|_Buddy_|__Points__|__Total__|__Points
___________|_Reads_|__Earned__|________|Adjusted
Peach_______|__26___|_12715__|__89.57__|__381.14
Strawberry__|__42___|_20073__|_142.36__|__365.02
Blueberry___|__29___|_20510__|_131.55__|__356.50
Orange______|__14___|_11330__|__70.65__|__214.74
Cherry______|__18___|__9364__|__64.82__|__198.83
Pineapple___|__14___|__9625__|__62.12__|__184.88
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___________|_Buddy_|__Points__|__Total_
___________|_Reads_|__Earned__|_______
Raspberry__|___2___|___8455__|__44.27
Pear_______|___6___|__6958___|__40.79
Plum_______|___7___|___6148__|__37.74
Kiwi_______|___4___|___5476__|__31.38
I don't know if I should chime in here because I only join the "just for fun" groups, but my suggestion in the spirit of fairness is to take people's average monthly reading number into account when making the teams, and then just let it go from there (maybe adjusting for number of people who post in the group, but not for average number of books/pages read in the past).
Hey, maybe to make it easier for Sarah and Abbie to make the teams, participants -- at least in the serious teams -- could figure our their own monthly average (both books and pages), say over the last year, and give those numbers when they register to participate.
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If we don't adjust points we get people who moan because they are disadvantaged, and if we do we get people who moan about the adjusted points. We basically can't win here.
A part of the problem too is even two readers doing 40 books in a month may not be equal. I read a lot of shorter books so my total is up but it's not helping with this month's challenge that is counting the pages. Some readers are fast enough to be doing 40 400+ pages books while others are doing 40 100 page or less books so it's still not balancing out.
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Sarah wrote: "I think maybe we should just stop doing team challenges. It's too hard to please everybody when people drop out and leave teams unbalanced."I hate saying this, but I agree. Maybe taking a break from team challenges would lower the stress levels from both the players and the mods.
That would be unfortunate, but I can understand why you would feel that way.
Berit wrote: "That would be unfortunate, but I can understand why you would feel that way."I rather like the team challenges and I would honestly be sorry to see them go, even if just for a while. Being on a team motivates me to read more and getting to talk about what you just read is an added benefit. These are just for fun, maybe we should just let the teams be what they are and try our best. It would be near impossible to make fair teams, as everybody reads different amounts different months. At least, I do. If someone signed up for serious, then as long as they read 12+ books, then no point adjustments or anything should be needed. Not unless someone drops out, anyway.
The large majority of us are nonvocal, so don't let the "loud" ones discourage you. There will always be complainers, but most of us are satisfied. Keep doing what you're doing, Abbie and Sarah. It's your group, therefore your rules.
I like Team challenges. They are my favorites, would feel bad to see them go... :(
I don't think people have been very fair this month to the mods, keep in mind, they get nothing out of these challenges, but they spend their own time to make sure we can have a better reading month. And working in a team definitely helps with that. But if it would help you out Sarah and make everyone chill for a sec, I'd scrap them, even for a while.
Sarah wrote: "I think maybe we should just stop doing team challenges. It's too hard to please everybody when people drop out and leave teams unbalanced."The thing is, nothing will ever be 'fair' and if it was the scores would be to close for there to be a competition anyway. I don't mind if people don't turn up or don't read their share because it motives me to read as much as I can to accommodate that. At the end of the day Sarah and Abbie don't have to moderate these challenges every month and it must be getting them down seeing everyone moan all the time. I'm happy to carry on as we are, one month I may be on a team where everyone takes part another time I may be at a disadvantage that's just how it is. I don't like getting involved but seeing all this stigma even gets me down about participating sometimes. We all appreciate you Sarah and Abbie even if it may not seem that way with the team challenges :)
I love the challenges! I don't care how they're scored or who ends up on my team. They are simply great. Keep up the great work, Sarah & Abbie!Thanks!
Yeah thank you Sarah and Abbie for everything you guys do for the group. You guys make this a fun and entertaining group with new challenges every month. And y'all do so much to keep the teams pleased and keep everyone's scores and just everything. I want y'all to know that y'all are greatly appreciated. I think that it's ridiculous that people are being fair to y'all and maybe they don't realize how much you guys do for this group. It's y'all's group and your rules. You guys do whatever you want to do. And thank you so much for everything that you have done!!
I agree, Sarah and Abbie- you guys are doing a great job with these challenges. They actually make reading more fun for me and push me to read more.As for pleasing everyone, you can't ever do that. This time there have been a few issues that people have complained about, like requesting for being on the same team/fairness of teams, but you guys make the best teams you can. To the people who're complaining about unfair teams- it isn't possible to predict accurately how many books someone will read. Even I can't say how many I will read in the next week, let alone a month.
Win, lose, or in the middle, these challenges have pushed me to read more (and review more) than I would have done otherwise -- and I had fun doing it! Whether student, professional, or hobby reader, I think that's the main point, isn't it?
I would be sad to see the team challenges go, but they are a little stressful on the players as well as the moderators. I think we should all just stop complaining and go back to the old days when these were just a fun way to read and talk to people about books.
I think the main problem is people are taking this competition super seriously, and winning is becoming more important than having fun, so everyone complains about every single problem that could make it slightly unfair. It's just impossible to make it completely fair and not make it so much work for the mods, so I guess everyone just needs to sort of calm down about winning (I'm included in that group though) and take the challenges as what they are, for fun.
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I think we may have to put it to a vote as to whether next months challenge is a team challenge or not.
Sarah wrote: "The problem with doing it simply by number of people in a team is that we're not all equal readers. Missing a person from your team who can read 40 books in a month is going to be a lot more disrup..."I get what you're saying. There is never going to be a way to make everyone happy. The fact that you do these at all is pretty amazing to me. It must take a lot of time and energy.
I think we should do team challenges! Cause it is fun. But tbh I don't think we should adjust points when there are equal number of members in the teams
I think the adjusted points are both fair and unfair. Maybe we should vote on that? That way deciding it is fair, and when it's done everyone can stop complaining about it? xD
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But there aren't equal numbers of people in the teams at the moment.
Even I vote for team challenges! Definitely team.
Yeah I know that :)Anyway, what I was trying to say is that we should adjust points when there is a difference between numbers, but not the total of monthly or yearly reading amount of the teams.
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But yeah! Of course you are doing an amazing job, that's for sure. And actually to be honest your group is one of the reasons if not the main reason, that I am actually reading books. This challenges and you, Sarah & Abbie make reading more interesting and fun, and it is a great motivation as well.
Personally, I love the team challenges and would be very sad to see them go. I have had 10x as much fun on these that the individual challenges.Is the system perfect, no. I don't see how it could be. I think Abbie and Sarah invest SO much time as is. At this rate, it there was a change, I would simplify the adjustments and only adjust teams that don't make the minimum or that drop out. And even then, just compensate enough to get them up there. A team short a member for this challenge in serious would get 12 points (1 per book). If they only read 2 books, add 10 points so others don't suffer. Or if you want to work it a little more specific take note when you make the teams how much you think a reader might realistically do and compensate up to that.
Another idea is to have us give a realistic estimate of how many books we realistically think we can read during a challenge and base teams partly on that (along with yearly read books in case one estimates really low or crazy high). There are times I might say serious, knowing all I can do is about 12-14 books and others I already know I am fairly free on time and can do 20-24. THis would give us a chance to state what we think we can do, in case it is off from our average.
Or the adjustment system can stay the same. :)
IDK. That is why I say no perfect answers. These are just a few ideas to possibly change the system, if wanted. They are not perfect either and I already know of some flaws in each. Since we almost all have strong and weak months, the rest falls on the team members. We should all know by now there is a risk we might get on a team with players who aren't up to expectation, read less than we might want, read too short or not enough books, or don't do buddy reads, etc. Or you might be with someone who just reads away gets a lot done.
I do think (in challenges outside this one) that page counting was a great equalizer, that way people who maybe didn't read a lot in book numbers, but read longer books can still feel a part of the contribution more.
Regardless, I overall love the team challenges. It helps motivate me to read more, I get to know members of the group better, etc. And no matter how the system is done, To Sarah and Abbie, I think you ladies do an AMAZING job. Each month you go above and beyond to make this group fun, active and fair.
I agree with those above who stated this was meant to be fun.
I think we should just go back to basics. I'd say that it should be made clear that if someone drops out, the team will get an amount of points to alleviate that member's loss and that's it.
People will still be unhappy, but that amount of points would be stated in the rules, and if they're unhappy, well, tough luck. At least, it would be less work for the mods to keep adjusting the points, which I guess can be quite time-consuming
It just seems like we can't win at the moment. When we change one thing, we get complaints about another.The challenges are made for people to have fun, while pushing themselves to read more, but the team challenges don't seem to be having that effect lately.
I actually really like the ideas of needing estimated, and it would make it easier for Sarah and Abbie when making teams if everyone actually gives estimates :)
Yea I completely see that :( I think that's just because of how competitive everything has been lately with the serious teams, as its for winning more than having fun (I'm guilty of this at times too)
I know, I get it, but I don't think it is fair to the teams that have readers with different reading paces, that take the top places, without adjusting points. It is a competition after all, participants should try to read as much and as fast as possible(including me).
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