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The Mortal Instruments > Where do you think the unknown location will be in CoHF?

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message 251: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments I've just realized something.

I thought it may be Luke or Raphael to be the one who dies early on in the book, but they're trapped in that cell with Magnus, so it can't be them.

I'm thinking Mayrse?


message 252: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) They might not be trapped with him though- they could be in there trying to get him out- while someone else is watching guard. Think outside of the picture- as well as in- Luke can't do anything- he can't touch the manacles because they are silver.
What if Luke or Raphael get killed trying to help Magnus.
Along with that- the snippet of Magnus's phone being unanswered; what if that is because they have took him away to lock him up?
And what if that is the emergency Jocelyn is going on about? :)

I think Maryse will die- which might sway Isabelle to be more likely to become an Iron Sister?


message 253: by Kaatastrophical (new)

Kaatastrophical | 16 comments Possibly. Her death could also make Alec or Izzy do something stupid, changing there lives. Also her death might teach Izzy something about her real father( I've seen you mention maybe she isn't a real lightwood, her eyes giving it away). But didn't Max look different than all other Lightwoods?


message 254: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) The eyes thing with Izzy is a long shot that Maryse had an affair. Children can be born with different colour eyes to their parents. I posted a link, that Cassie posted herself about Izzy's eyes.
I think Maryses death will topple things for the Lightwood children, but how I do not know.
Robert might look back and regret things.


message 255: by Kaatastrophical (new)

Kaatastrophical | 16 comments Think I have to study a bit now but will certainly check this discussion again tomorrow.


message 256: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments Shit!

I've just realized something else …

Remember in CoLS, when Clary went to retrieve the faerie rings for the Queen, and Jace and Sebastian walked in? Sebastian said to Jace "You'll be running this place soon enough."
Mayrse is the head of the Institute, after Hodge, right?
What if Sebastian kills Mayrse because she's the head of it? The Shadowhunters would be homeless if she died, and they'd have to flea - to Idris …

Okay, off topic. I found this on YouTube, and I nearly burst out crying. It's the Clockwork Prince fanmade trailer
http://m.youtube.com/?gl=GB&hl=en...


message 257: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) OMG you're a genius! This could very well be true! But then again- they would all be 18 by then- legal. So would it work out the same?


message 258: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments Only Alec is 18, I think. Wait - he wasn't mentioned in the synopsis, either, was he?


message 259: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) He was, but Magnus wasn't :( and Alec was 18 in City of Glass- depending on the years apart between the books. Some of them may be 18- not all. :(


message 260: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments City of Bones was in late August, and City of Heavenly Fire finishes in early 2008, so January.
I don't know when exactly Alec turned 18, but I do know he's the oldest out of the clan.

Okay, I have not cried this much since Clockwork Princess. I am in tears here!! I can't remember Will writing a letter to Tessa, but now I know where the "With hope at last, William Herondale" in CoLS comes from.

Wills Letter to Tessa …
http://m.youtube.com/?gl=GB&hl=en...


message 261: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) Maybe Alec will take over his mums place, if she goes? :)

Oh! I thought you'd read the letter before! :) it's very emotional. I cried like crazy :(


message 262: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments Oh my God. What if Sebastian were to take over?

No, I hadn't read the letter before that video. Or I might have if it was in the books, but it's been a while since I read them.
Seriously, I've watched that video three goddamned times now and I cry every single time!


message 263: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) The place would turn into a haunted house within days! :')

The Herondale boys definitely have a way with words. The one thing that always sticks from Williams letter to Tessa is the last few lines. They are what make me cry the most. Then rivers of tears run are:

"You are the first dream of my soul, and from that dream I hope will come all other dreams... A lifetimes worth.
With hope at last,
Will Herondale. "

It causes me to get a lump in my throat, that I cannot shift for the life of me. :(


message 264: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments Oh, stop. I can't take it anymore!

I can't wait to 're-read the books after CoHF, though. I could do with a bit more Will :)


message 265: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) These ancestors are very very good with words. If only men spoke that way and sent long handed love letters nowadays! :)

Yes, I agree! :D


message 266: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments I would like a guy who has Sebastian's striking looks, Jace's witty humour, and Will's endearing ability to quote poetry …

Yup, I'm gonna die alone …


message 267: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) My boyfriend had traits from characters such as Alec & Will.
Then he has the same adrenaline rush like Jace. That I just can't keep up with :')

God. I sound old saying that xD


message 268: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments For those of you who have seen The Covenant, I kept on picturing Reid Garwin (who is played by actor Toby Hemingway) as Sebastian, he had the black eyes and everything!!


message 269: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments Oh my God.

Don't even get me started on the boyfriend topic …


message 270: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments :( fictional men have ruined really men for me


message 271: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments I know that feeling …

I suddenly have higher standards ever since I started The Mortal Instruments …


message 272: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments Yes!! That is true,


message 273: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments And now I'm expecting Jace to appear out of the darkness and save me whenever I'm in grave danger …


message 274: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments Yes.. And when ever I hear 'mango' I go spastic...


message 275: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) Call.me.tictac wrote: "For those of you who have seen The Covenant, I kept on picturing Reid Garwin (who is played by actor Toby Hemingway) as Sebastian, he had the black eyes and everything!!"

Do you mean the moody blonde guy, who's friends with the other 3?


message 276: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) Fictional characters have given women higher expectations of men. As well as giving men expectations they should be meeting...

Because heaven forbid (in the eyes on a man) that fictional men come alive. A lot of men will be screwed completely :')

Be like war of the fangirls.


message 277: by Kaatastrophical (last edited Apr 18, 2014 05:09AM) (new)

Kaatastrophical | 16 comments OMG! That letter is amazing! Wish a boy, preferably a Herondale:-), sent that to me. I had seen this letter before and cried reading it but this time it was even worse because of the clip and the music.


message 278: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments Yes and he was a beanie over his head sometimes...


message 279: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) Call.me.tictac wrote: "Yes and he was a beanie over his head sometimes..."

I didn't like him. So he probably would make a good Sebastian. Although, I don't think he'd look all the same now, it was ages since that was brought out.

I liked the guy who drove the motorcycle, I forget his name. :') I have on DVD, but haven't watched it in so long.


message 280: by Kaatastrophical (new)

Kaatastrophical | 16 comments Haven't watched it yet. Is it good?


message 281: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments Yea I know, I wouldn't really consider him being cast as Sebastian, but when I first saw the movie I was like 'OMG ITS SEBASTIAN'!!
It's alright... There hot guys in it so it was the only reason I kept watching... Oh and I think one if them is from gossip girl..


message 282: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) Call.me.tictac wrote: "Yea I know, I wouldn't really consider him being cast as Sebastian, but when I first saw the movie I was like 'OMG ITS SEBASTIAN'!!
It's alright... There hot guys in it so it was the only reason I ..."


When I first ever watched it, was like just leaving school and good lord. That darkling thing that comes to Caleb in his room. I jumped out of my skin XD
It's okay, but once you know the ending it's ruins it XD


message 283: by Kaatastrophical (new)

Kaatastrophical | 16 comments Don't tell me then:-). I'm considering watching it


message 284: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments Izzy wrote: "OMG! That letter is amazing! Wish a boy, preferably a Herondale:-), sent that to me. I had seen this letter before and cried reading it but this time it was even worse because of the clip and the m..."

I know. I forgot I'd read it in the book, if it was even in the book, but that music and those words "For I am free" made me bawl my eyes out!


message 285: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) I've been wondering, while reading City of Bones and City of Ashes. When like Alec turns up with a bite mark on his neck... that he 'fell' on :')

Well things like that, it would be cool to see from his perspective. Like there's one from Jem's perspective online, about when he's with Tessa and that was lovely to read. About when they are in his room and spill the Yin Fin.

Also, I think it is a Herondale trait to write letters, want things they can't have, then become roughiens (even a word?) when they can and have a thing for throughing them against walls and having their ways.


message 286: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) Izzy wrote: "Don't tell me then:-). I'm considering watching it"

Hey Izzy,

You were asking if I came up with any theories for Isabelle. Well I have one- While scouring the net, I came across a snippet- unidentified- It says "You are the Lightwoods — you are all that is left of the Lightwoods."
If the rest of the guys die, like Alec. Isabelle may be the only one left, that might be why she goes to become an Iron Sister? :)


message 287: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments I haven't seen that snippet


message 288: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) MissMorgenstern {Keep calm and ship Clabastian} wrote: "I haven't seen that snippet"

I was talking about Magnus's father the other day, about him been Azazel. He was a an angel before he fell and I said he could very well be Magnus's dad.
Magnus seems ashamed of his father and a angel cast out from heaven and turned demon?
Well anyway I found this snippet too: "When you were an angel, what was your name?"
It's unidentified like the last one.


message 289: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) "… laughing together at all the beautiful ruin around them. They were standing suspended in the sea: it couldn’t hurt them, destruction was their element. Clarissa was looking down as she laughed, trailing her moonlight hands in the water. When she lifted up her hands they were dark, dripping: he realized that the seas were all blood. "

I found this snippet too, but this sounds a lot like City of Lost Souls?


message 290: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments I Agree I would really love to see more of Alec in city of ashes and what the worlds like to him :)


message 291: by Laura Jayne (new)

Laura Jayne (lauraajayynebooks) Cassie posted this on Tumblr:

"The Clockwork Princess prologue takes place in 2008.

We don’t know when in 2008, but we do know enough to know it takes place after the events of City of Lost Souls. It is either during or after the events of City of Heavenly Fire.

As for Bro Z, he appears in City of Fallen Angels and City of Lost Souls. It is explained in City of Fallen Angels that he was among the few Silent Brothers who was not in the Silent City when Valentine attacked, and therefore survived.

So yes, basically, the epilogue of Clockwork Princess takes place in the future of the characters in City of Lost Souls. You can search it for clues about Heavenly Fire if you want. :)"

Do you know how emotional that was to find out in City of Ashes Jem wasn't there when Valentine attacked?!

And now we know where Clockwork Princess Prologue kinda-ish goes :D


message 292: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments That snippet about Clary trailing her hands through a sea all of blood sounds like it's from Sebastian's point of view.
Yes!! That has perked my mood up a teeny tiny bit :')
It's not from City of Lost Souls.

So does that mean that the CoHF epilogue is after the Clockwork Princess epilogue;


message 293: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments I don't think so...


message 294: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments Oh god I'm watching Megamind with my nephew, and the girl was like 'The city needs you... I need you'
Sounds a lot like
'You have an amazing gift and we need you... I need you'
O.o


message 295: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments Haha.

"There is a map inside your head, Clary. You are the key to our survival."


message 296: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments Oh right back to the point... At the end of clockwork princess Jem is telling Tessa about the lightwoods, Fairchild and herendales
But there is a snippet where Tessa is meeting clary so she would of already knew...


message 297: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments The world is ours to take


message 298: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments 'Jesus!'
'No just me'
xD
Oh n my favorite...
"Hey, clary, umm you look different"
"I can't talk right now"
*walks part Eric, leaving him staring, then Isabelle shove him*


message 299: by Naomi (new)

Naomi Speakman (missmorgenstern) | 1379 comments That was a great scene. Being beaten up by invisible people


message 300: by Call.me.tictac (new)

Call.me.tictac | 337 comments Haha yea
*just because I'm invisible doesn't mean you have to be in my way*


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