The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "I'll ask again. In your own words..."
Natalie,
The point (of this specific conversation right here, right now) isn't about anybody's right. The point is that (since) everybody has the right to different ideas, let's compare them.
I explained what I believe and why (that love can't exist to be purely selfish).
Why do you disagree?
In your own words what is uniquely selfless about romantic love, that is not covered in the other types of love? You are only implying a "feeling" and feelings are not giving.
Natalie,
The point (of this specific conversation right here, right now) isn't about anybody's right. The point is that (since) everybody has the right to different ideas, let's compare them.
I explained what I believe and why (that love can't exist to be purely selfish).
Why do you disagree?
In your own words what is uniquely selfless about romantic love, that is not covered in the other types of love? You are only implying a "feeling" and feelings are not giving.
Ariel wrote: "Why must a relationship be defined by whether or not you can produce children together?"
It's not about "producing children" per say.
It's about being open to the sacrifice that comes with a specific type of love.
Again, what other type of love exists solely for our own personal gain?
It's not about "producing children" per say.
It's about being open to the sacrifice that comes with a specific type of love.
Again, what other type of love exists solely for our own personal gain?
I love how this started out as a fictional character's love interest and is turning into a huge debate. *sits back and watches with a bag of popcorn*
Anika wrote: "All this negativity is getting on my nervesSeriously the series might have started for children but it's been around for a time now. Most of the readers are older now and i think it's totally appr..."
OMGS I SHIP SOLANGLEO TOO!
IN FACT I'M IN IT IT'S SO NICE TO MEET A SHIPPER.
Guys, there weren't even together for like 5 pages. They might just be friends!
@BrownThe only way you can show you romantically love someone is by having children with them? Having babies is the only sacrifice you can make?
Caring about someone else is not being selfish. People can show their love in infinite ways. What if someone died to save their partner? That isn't a good enough sacrifice to show your commitment to someone? Every human being experiences things through a different lens, and based on that react differently. There are an infinite amount of reactions to an emotion a person can have. When angry, one person might become silent and brooding. Another person feeling anger might shout and scream and kick a wall. Both are angry, but they express their anger in different ways. Love is the same. Maybe one person is ready to start a family and have kids. Another person plans months in advance for their partner's birthday, just to see the smile their partner has when they open a present. Neither of those actions are selfish. Just because a couple doesn't want a child doesn't mean they don't love each other. Both couples romantically love each other, and their love is shown in different ways.
An emotion should not be defined so specifically, needing a certain kind of sacrifice to make it valid.
❄ sʜᴀʜᴅɪᴀ ❄ ᶫᵃᵈʸ ᵒᶠ ʷᶦᶰᵗᵉʳᶠᵉᶫᶫ ❄ wrote: "Sammy wrote: "Guys, there weren't even together for like 5 pages. They might just be friends!"Oh, so we have canon interaction and hints that Nico feels romantic attraction to Will, and we're odd..."
Oh I never said you're odd! I shipped Percabeth like two pages after they met! I just think you guys are good at fangirling!:) p.s. I don't even know who Tratie is.
So does biosexual mean you love plants?
Maggie wrote: "And if you turn on Riordan and stop reading his books for this tiny reason, then get a grip..."Why should they get a grip? It's their choice to like it or not.
You guys are on page 92, 8 more pages to 100.
No I just looked up biosexual and this is what it means- Noun. A biophiliac, one who gets aroused by nature. I mean that would make since to add that in your post @Leah. Although I don't think that's what you meant. It kinda goes with the whole "it doesn't matter who you like" subject. Kind of like "it doesn't matter who you like even if you like plants". Which, hopefully, no one on this website does. At least like that. No judgement coming from me if you did though. But I'm sure no one does...right?
Ariel wrote: "@Brown
The only way you can show you romantically love someone is by having children with them? Having babies is the only sacrifice you can make?
Caring about someone else is not being selfish. P..."
How is dying for someone specifically romantic?
Wouldn't it actually be kind of selfish to say you would only die for someone if you were romantically attracted to them?
Again, you're over-valuing romance and making it sound more important than it is. You're just stealing from other types of love.
I want to know what's uniquely selfless about romance once you take out the possibility of having a family.
Give me an example if they're infinite. No stealing this time.
The only way you can show you romantically love someone is by having children with them? Having babies is the only sacrifice you can make?
Caring about someone else is not being selfish. P..."
How is dying for someone specifically romantic?
Wouldn't it actually be kind of selfish to say you would only die for someone if you were romantically attracted to them?
Again, you're over-valuing romance and making it sound more important than it is. You're just stealing from other types of love.
I want to know what's uniquely selfless about romance once you take out the possibility of having a family.
Give me an example if they're infinite. No stealing this time.
Giving each other birthday presents? Really?
All I'm getting from this is that the main highlight, (whether you admit it or not), is pleasure.
And that will never be as serious or important. I want to understand, but I don't. The longer I stick around here the more it feels like a game (or basically gives me the same feeling I get when I read fanfiction).
This is not sincere or selfless or important. I'm sorry if you believe that it is. Nobody deserves to think this is who they are. Nobody deserves to think this is what love is.
All I'm getting from this is that the main highlight, (whether you admit it or not), is pleasure.
And that will never be as serious or important. I want to understand, but I don't. The longer I stick around here the more it feels like a game (or basically gives me the same feeling I get when I read fanfiction).
This is not sincere or selfless or important. I'm sorry if you believe that it is. Nobody deserves to think this is who they are. Nobody deserves to think this is what love is.
❄ sʜᴀʜᴅɪᴀ ❄ ᶫᵃᵈʸ ᵒᶠ ʷᶦᶰᵗᵉʳᶠᵉᶫᶫ ❄ wrote: "Sammy wrote: "Guys, there weren't even together for like 5 pages. They might just be friends!"Oh, so we have canon interaction and hints that Nico feels romantic attraction to Will, and we're odd..."
Wait so if Nico likes me,
That would be the other 50%.
I MEAN NOTHING.
Two women actually can have a child together, thanks to modern medicine. But that aside, love is not simply about having children. I, personally, don't want kids. I've got five siblings, I'm sure I'll have much more fun as an adoring aunt.Love is about caring more about someone else than you do about yourself. Love doesn't have to be a romantic thing, but if two people of the same gender love each other, so what? Yay for them, I say. There doesn't have to be a purpose for everything. Do something because it makes you happy, makes you you. Why should LGBT people be miserable because some people disagree with their choices, or because they can't have children by themselves (or without science). So what? There are 7 billion people on Earth, there don't need to be more.
Natalie wrote: "Two women actually can have a child together, thanks to modern medicine. But that aside, love is not simply about having children. I, personally, don't want kids. I've got five siblings, I'm sure I..."Let's be friends.
Let's be best friends.
That was beautiful.
Will Solace wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Two women actually can have a child together, thanks to modern medicine. But that aside, love is not simply about having children. I, personally, don't want kids. I've got five sibl..."Thanks. Simply speaking the truth. :)
I think you mean "bisexual" not "bio sexual". "Bisexual" does mean what you're trying to say. Not "bio sexual."
I wish that Riordan hadn't brought something like this into children's books; I'm Christian, but while I hate Nico's decision, my feeling about his character and personality remain the same: I've always liked him. As for seeing it coming, no. I wouldn've ever guessed
Sam wrote: "Grace wrote: "Umm... I really don't know what to say about this, but I thought these books were for 9-12 year-olds."my brother is 9, and all anyone at his school ever talks about is being gay. ki..."
It's not that we don't expect kids to know about them, but Riordan is making it seem like homosexuality is okay and ruining the minds of the little kids that read the books.
Joy wrote: "I agree with Aurora that the House of Hades has done an excellent job of showing us one thing - that when the parents aren't around, the kids' lives are very difficult. There is nothing wrong with ..."Rick definitely should've warned the readers or their parents first. If he wanted it to be a shock that Nico, specifically, is gay, he should've just mentioned there would be homosexuality. Same, and especially, with the Disney Channel series, Good Luck Charlie (4x19: Down a Tree; January 26, 2014)
Bryan wrote: "I wish that Riordan hadn't brought something like this into children's books; I'm Christian, but while I hate Nico's decision, my feeling about his character and personality remain the same: I've a..."
It's not a goddamned decision.
It's not a goddamned decision.
Bryan wrote: "Joy wrote: "I agree with Aurora that the House of Hades has done an excellent job of showing us one thing - that when the parents aren't around, the kids' lives are very difficult. There is nothing..."But there is no warning for heterosexual couples, even when they're flat out screwing. Great to see the equality, guys.
Natalie wrote: "Two women actually can have a child together, thanks to modern medicine..."They can, no one is doubting that from two women in a relationship one or both can't get pregnant. The problem is you still need a male donor.
Science hasn't come that far that they can take two eggs from two women in a relationship and inject one egg into the other and make an embryo.
Kevin wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Two women actually can have a child together, thanks to modern medicine..."They can, no one is doubting that from two women in a relationship one or both can't get pregnant. The p..."
Thank you for the full scientific explanation. I wasn't aware of the exact process, just the possibility, so thanks for clearing it up.
@BrownEveryone has different values and beliefs. Love is not the same for everyone, it's unique, and is based on the individual. Your definition of love is wrong. Love can not be defined by only one thing, or one act, or one sacrifice. It is so much more, and so complicated, and so different. Maybe for you, love means being willing to start a family. But that one thing can't possibly be the only way that people show romantic love. You are wrong to believe that everyone must comply to your definition of romantic love.
Hello, as a LGBT person, I would like to say that I would not have guessed that Rick would have made Nico come out as a non-hetero male. Not because I did not see it, because I do, but because I would not think that he would allow himself to write in such a "controversial" character. I am eternally grateful he did. I have always connected to Nico and now we have a stronger connection. I do think that it is important to point out that A) being non-hetero is not a choice as much as you like to think it is (yes you can choose whether or not to repress these feelings but no they are not the equivalent of repressing other frowned upon feelings; i.e- alcoholism or murder) B) Rick should not be ostracized because he wrote in a LGBT character and it should not have to be "warned about". LGBT people are everyday people. Should we be warned for everything a character does in advance? "This guy kills a man. This guy wears two colors that don't match. This squirrel talks." No, we shouldn't. LGBT people are a part of life and we should not have to have a "warning label". If you read the book and don't like it, fine. If your child reads about LGBT people then what is the harm? What is going to happen? Chances are your child is going to see some type of LGBT person sometime in their life. Would you not rather have your child READ about such a person first? In the end, we want children to grow up to be good, successful people and in their lives do you really want to teach them that things that are "odd" and "different" are not worth the same attention as the norm? C) Representation matters. Having a non-hetero character in movies, plays, books, etc. always makes me more invested in the film and how this could relate to me. The same when there is a Latina women in the film. Or when she is not a size zero. Yes, you may be angry that Nico is not hetero, but to someone else, maybe your child, they will identify with that character and know they are not alone. Books save lives. Books saved me from bullies and sadness. You don't want people to go through that just because you don't agree with their ideals or style of writing or a books content. I don't like to read old, boring books on Chemistry, but it doesn't mean I am going to go say that any book with Chemistry should be burned and should have a warning label on it. No, I either 1) stop reading or 2) keep reading and then never read again. The end. D) If you just think the way the coming out was written was bad I agree with you and disagree with you. I hate that Nico was forced out. I hate that Annabeth smirked like she knew, because I hated feeling like something that was so significant to me didn't matter because everyone had figured it out first. I do get that most LGBT kids don't have a great coming out story and some people are violently pushed out or forced out, so I get why. E) If you've gotten this far: Nico means the world to me and has for the past 7 years. I am sorry that he has caused such an uproar for people that can't see past who he is, but at the same time this makes me love him even more so because, as an almost 20 year old who is being forced to find herself and her own path in college with people always assuming the worst in her and not being able to see past her appearance, this is a beacon that things won't always be as bad as they seem and could get better.
Danielle wrote: "Hello,...Comment too long. Click here to view the full text."Wow that wall of text...
Kevin wrote: "Danielle wrote: "Hello,...Comment too long. Click here to view the full text."Wow that wall of text..."
You can say that again.
I like how this debate is still going on after like 90 pages of it. I don't even understand why you guys are still arguing anymore. I think everyone is FOR Nico, right? I mean, is anyone against Nico and who he loves?
If "love" is just a random thing based on whatever makes you happy and can be "anything" you want, how is it serious or important?
I agree love is important when it's ordered toward being selfless. Again, what does romance add to their relationships that makes them more selfless?
It's about their happiness? Okay. I'll hold you to that answer. How is it so serious and important then?
Are there ANY other cases that ANYTHING is that serious and important when the sole reason for it is pleasure? (especially since you argue as if people are forced to commit suicide over it).
Choices based on pleasure are frivolous. It's problematic to treat them so importantly, as if they compare to sacrifice or selflessness. You're trying to ride coat tails.
(before we have to repeat this again, remember you admitted happiness was the only unique thing about romantic love. Don't try and steal from other types again as an excuse too contradict what you admitted: that it's based on their happiness)
I agree love is important when it's ordered toward being selfless. Again, what does romance add to their relationships that makes them more selfless?
It's about their happiness? Okay. I'll hold you to that answer. How is it so serious and important then?
Are there ANY other cases that ANYTHING is that serious and important when the sole reason for it is pleasure? (especially since you argue as if people are forced to commit suicide over it).
Choices based on pleasure are frivolous. It's problematic to treat them so importantly, as if they compare to sacrifice or selflessness. You're trying to ride coat tails.
(before we have to repeat this again, remember you admitted happiness was the only unique thing about romantic love. Don't try and steal from other types again as an excuse too contradict what you admitted: that it's based on their happiness)
This is a sincere question as well.
How are your labels serious or important?
You literally told me I was "asexual." Suppose I actually took that seriously. People would automatically bend over backwards to "respect" that hare-brained, drop-of-a-hat decision. Why should they?
Labels are a dangerous game, especially when it comes to something so subjective.
Just make your choices as they come. This isn't a fanfiction, and we don't know everything about ourselves. You think you're empowering yourselves, but you're not. You're just taking image too seriously.
How are your labels serious or important?
You literally told me I was "asexual." Suppose I actually took that seriously. People would automatically bend over backwards to "respect" that hare-brained, drop-of-a-hat decision. Why should they?
Labels are a dangerous game, especially when it comes to something so subjective.
Just make your choices as they come. This isn't a fanfiction, and we don't know everything about ourselves. You think you're empowering yourselves, but you're not. You're just taking image too seriously.
That would all be helpful if it was a choice.
http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/w...This is a very helpful link addressing sexuality and gender.
Natalie wrote: "http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/w...This is a very helpful link addressing sexuality and gender."
I love you.
And this link.
Leah wrote: "Also: Don't take life too seriously no one comes out alive in the end, anyways."
"We are food for worms... Carpe diem. Seize the day boys. Make your lives extraordinary." -John Keating.
Leah wrote: "Will Solace wrote: "Leah wrote: "Also: Don't take life too seriously no one comes out alive in the end, anyways."
"We are food for worms... Carpe diem. Seize the day boys. Make your lives extrao..."
We must take lives seriously because we must make them as extraordinary as we can.
We may be all heading for ten feet under but we want to make that fall as slow and as lasting as possible.
Leah wrote: "Now I get it.But I mean don't take lives TOO seriously if we didn't take life seriously we would probably all die. But some people take lives too seriously and then they're not extrordinary or fu..."
Yeah there needs to be a balance of when to be serious and when to have fun.
Leah wrote: "exactly.Like when you met me friday night at CHB you were really serious but you weren't too serious that you were just in shock forever. By the way do you have any tips on Archery you are the son..."
Okay.
1. *Apollo. No offense taken, but OCD ya know?
2. I'm just a healer I have no other skills from Dad except healing and I'm up with the sun.
I'm also not really bad with poetry.
I WAS JAMMING TO MY JAM AND I HIT MY HEAD.SON OF A (BLEEP)
Obviously it is a choice if the labels are so crappy you hand them out on goodreads threads.
Leah wrote: "Is your head okay?*laughing really loud*
haha very funny."
It is not funny.
Okay maybe a little funny.
And you didn't answer my other question: how is love important if it just means whatever you want? Why should it be respected just because you label it with that name that you stole? Where do we draw the lines?
And that chart is screwed up.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images. Just act however you want it doesn't make you a different gender?? Who the heck made up which kinds of personalities are "girl" and "boy?"
Can't they be like anything or not????
What a horrible narcissistic thing to care about.
And nobody commits suicide because they can't wear a skirt. And if you're mom wants you to wear a dress, what happened to just sucking it up because WHAT YOU WEAR is not a big deal anyway?
I'll never feel sorry for you when you use those frivolous, vain excuses.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images. Just act however you want it doesn't make you a different gender?? Who the heck made up which kinds of personalities are "girl" and "boy?"
Can't they be like anything or not????
What a horrible narcissistic thing to care about.
And nobody commits suicide because they can't wear a skirt. And if you're mom wants you to wear a dress, what happened to just sucking it up because WHAT YOU WEAR is not a big deal anyway?
I'll never feel sorry for you when you use those frivolous, vain excuses.
Brown wrote: "And that chart is screwed up.Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images. Just act however you want ..."
You're right. No trans boy commits suicide because they can't wear a skirt.
People murder them instead.
Just saying.
Leah wrote: "Brown wrote: "And that chart is screwed up.Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images. Just act how..."
My mom wants me to like guys.
Mom it's not gonna happen I am lesbian you can deal with it or I will push you out of my life.
I can't change for anyone.
I WON'T change for anyone.
Leah wrote: "Brown wrote: "And that chart is screwed up.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images. Just act how..."
I'm honestly the same way.
That's why I'm making the point that, while it's annoying, it's not a HUGE deal.
My dad buys really slimy food that I don't like too, but I don't act like just because "it's not who I am" to appreciate that food, it's that dramatic of a deal.
Image is just image. It definitely doesn't define me as a person, and the choices I make are more important than my preferences. I'm not a different gender for wearing blue instead of pink or playing sports instead of whatever stereotypical girl thing other girls might (or might not) do.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images. Just act how..."
I'm honestly the same way.
That's why I'm making the point that, while it's annoying, it's not a HUGE deal.
My dad buys really slimy food that I don't like too, but I don't act like just because "it's not who I am" to appreciate that food, it's that dramatic of a deal.
Image is just image. It definitely doesn't define me as a person, and the choices I make are more important than my preferences. I'm not a different gender for wearing blue instead of pink or playing sports instead of whatever stereotypical girl thing other girls might (or might not) do.
Will Solace wrote: "Leah wrote: "Brown wrote: "And that chart is screwed up.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images...."
I love how Will never responds to anybody's points and just blurts out half-baked comments.
Learn how to defend what you believe in, coward.
Are you Lucius Malfoy or something? Snake.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic about your images...."
I love how Will never responds to anybody's points and just blurts out half-baked comments.
Learn how to defend what you believe in, coward.
Are you Lucius Malfoy or something? Snake.
Leah wrote: "Brown wrote: "Leah wrote: "Brown wrote: "And that chart is screwed up.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic abou..."
Ugh, I had to play stupid softball too. I feel your pain.
Gender isn't about having a certain image. It was just a way to describe what kind of body you have.
You're too dramatic abou..."
Ugh, I had to play stupid softball too. I feel your pain.
Girls can play baseball and it doesn't make them "like guys." It makes them like girls who play baseball, which is fine. Nobody seems to get that.
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