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POLL: What should we read in July?

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message 101: by Noomninam (new)

Noomninam Any chance of a dark horse write-in candidate in The Quarry, the final book by Iain Banks, who died yesterday? Don't know whether it's an 'M' book (sci-fi) or lit-fic . . . or something else by him soon, please? It's high time, IMHO.


message 102: by Dara (new)

Dara (cmdrdara) | 2702 comments Damn. I'd get that if it were US.


message 103: by Geoff (new)

Geoff (geoffgreer) It kind of sucks that less than 3% of the group have voted in the poll.


message 104: by Christopher (new)

Christopher Preiman | 347 comments Geoff i don't think 3% is really all that bad. Figure that is probably most of the groups regular participants.


message 105: by Kim (new)

Kim | 477 comments In any large group there is generally only a small amount who participate and a smaller group who actually comment regularly.


message 106: by Phil (new)

Phil | 1452 comments Since it looks like it's definitely going to be either Redshirts or Ringworld I wonder if anybody who voted for something else has changed their vote to one of those two.


message 107: by Neil (new)

Neil | 165 comments Phil wrote: "Since it looks like it's definitely going to be either Redshirts or Ringworld I wonder if anybody who voted for something else has changed their vote to one of those two."

I did. Out of those two I went for Ringworld. I want to read Redshirts more but because of that I am going to be reading it sometime whether it is a group pick or not. Thought I would vote for something that I probably wouldn't get if it wasn't to read it for this.


message 108: by Geoff (new)

Geoff (geoffgreer) Phil wrote: "Since it looks like it's definitely going to be either Redshirts or Ringworld I wonder if anybody who voted for something else has changed their vote to one of those two."

That's really not how a poll works.


message 109: by Serendi (last edited Jun 11, 2013 12:51PM) (new)

Serendi | 848 comments That's really not how a poll works.

You can change your vote on this poll. I did, early on, because I decided I'd rather pick the book I knew I wanted to (re)read than the book I thought might be okay according to various people's recommendations. (The Peter Hamilton.)

So yeah, if someone knows it'll be one of the two and wants to improve the odds of one of them, why not?


message 110: by Neil (new)

Neil | 165 comments Geoff wrote: "Phil wrote: "Since it looks like it's definitely going to be either Redshirts or Ringworld I wonder if anybody who voted for something else has changed their vote to one of those two."

That's real..."


It's a poll using the Alternative Vote system. My first choice didn't win so it went to my next choice. :)


message 111: by Alan (new)

Alan | 534 comments I'm not changing my vote from the Sparrow because I've been meaning to read it for a while. Also, I'm not sure that Redshirts or Ringworld are complex enough texts for a ton of discussion.

The group has read a lot of Scalzi and I predict that some people will have similar problems with Ringworld that they did with Dragonflight.


message 112: by JRush (new)

JRush | 64 comments I just finished The Sparrow last night and I was blown away. Very emotionally moving book that doesn't compromise on its sci-fi story line.

Its full of thought provoking ideas that span from first contact to free will that would translate easily into discussion threads.

I'll say it again, this book was written for this group! *steps down from soapbox*


message 113: by Mike (last edited Jun 11, 2013 04:08PM) (new)

Mike (mikeescutia) | 21 comments I voted for Pandora's Star, having read both Ringworld and Redshirts.

Of course, I also have a lot of unread books on my Kindle... and Neil Gaiman's new novel comes out next week.


message 114: by Sandi (new)

Sandi (sandikal) | 1212 comments JRush wrote: "I just finished The Sparrow last night and I was blown away. Very emotionally moving book that doesn't compromise on its sci-fi story line.

Its full of thought provoking ideas that span from firs..."


Hopefully, it will be a group read some day. It is one of my all-time favorite books.


message 115: by D. H. (new)

D. H. | 100 comments How about a runoff between the top three?


message 116: by Nico (last edited Jun 12, 2013 04:18AM) (new)

Nico (darkybald) | 30 comments I initially voted for pandora, but changed my vote now to ringworld, because I just can't stand how John Scalzi writes his dialogs. It annoyed me so much in Ghost Brigades and from what I heard so far it is even worse in Red Shirts(X said after every sentence). How can an editor let this happen?
And also I'd like a book where you can actually have a discussion, with though provoking ideas in it and not some fluff story. I just read The Dispossessed and thought what an awesome pick this would have been.


message 117: by Noomninam (new)

Noomninam Nico wrote: "I initially voted for pandora, but changed my vote now to ringworld, because I just can't stand how John Scalzi writes his dialogs. It annoyed me so much in Ghost Brigades and from what I heard so..."

Scalzi's dialog style probably looks stilted as all get out on the page, as many report. For me it works quite well in audio, as long as Wil Wheaton is reading it!


message 118: by Rick (new)

Rick P. | 53 comments I like Scalzi, but isn't it about time that we stopped making him our go-to laser guy? I have Similar feelings about Wheaton as voice talent. They are both great, but this is Sword & Laser, not the freakin' Scalzi-Wheaton fan club.


message 119: by Sean (new)

Sean O'Hara (seanohara) | 2365 comments Geoff wrote: "That's really not how a poll works."

Sure it is -- if my first choice is proving unpopular and something I'm not interested in is winning, I switch my support to something that's has a chance of pulling ahead.

We should really do a play-off system so we can get into real strategic voting, with bloc alliances and sniping. This simple plurality system is so boring.


message 120: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 7216 comments I vote for Ron Paul.


message 121: by Rick (new)

Rick Rick wrote: "I like Scalzi, but isn't it about time that we stopped making him our go-to laser guy? I have Similar feelings about Wheaton as voice talent. They are both great, but this is Sword & Laser, not th..."

Uh oh, there's two of us. ON the other hand, I am a Gemini and... TWIN!!!


message 122: by Christopher (new)

Christopher Preiman | 347 comments I honestly think there is more to think/talk about with Red Shirts then people are giving it credit for. It's only looks shallow on the surface. If you get down to it you have some thought provoking ideas regarding the nature of reality, fiction and humanity in general. And it's a lot of fun.


message 123: by Daran (new)

Daran | 599 comments I've had a friend trying to get me to read Redshirts for months, because he says he hasn't looked at Space Opera the same since.

So, I would say it has some potential for discussion.


message 124: by Erik (new)

Erik Redin (erik_redin) | 149 comments Is REDSHIRTS like the CABIN IN THE WOODS of sci-fi novels?


message 125: by D.J. Wilde (new)

D.J. Wilde | 9 comments I would read Doctor Who because I'm a Who Junkie. However, if you are looking for eloquent writing/story telling, you won't find it in Doctor Who. I've found it doesn't translate as well to book format as it should. I've read quite a few of the books, back when I couldn't get my Who fix on TV.


message 126: by Sandi (new)

Sandi (sandikal) | 1212 comments D.J. wrote: "I would read Doctor Who because I'm a Who Junkie. However, if you are looking for eloquent writing/story telling, you won't find it in Doctor Who. I've found it doesn't translate as well to book fo..."

I wonder if that will be the case with the one in question. After all, it's written by Alastair Reynolds. I think they're having a 50th Anniversary thing going on with books written by authors who normally wouldn't write Doctor Who books. Stephen Baxter and Patrick Ness have both released Doctor Who titles this year.


message 127: by Paul (new)

Paul Harmon (thesaint08d) | 639 comments Erik wrote: "Is REDSHIRTS like the CABIN IN THE WOODS of sci-fi novels?"

It took me a second to understand what you were trying to say I first assumed you were slamming my beloved Cabin in the Woods...but to answer your question...Redshirts is in the same mode but not as good as Cabin :)


message 128: by Paul (new)

Paul Harmon (thesaint08d) | 639 comments Erik wrote: "Is REDSHIRTS like the CABIN IN THE WOODS of sci-fi novels?"

Actually it reminds me more of Yahtzee Crenshaw's MOGWORLD...which is about characters inside an MMO game that become "self-Aware"


message 129: by D.J. Wilde (new)

D.J. Wilde | 9 comments Sandi wrote: "D.J. wrote: "I would read Doctor Who because I'm a Who Junkie. However, if you are looking for eloquent writing/story telling, you won't find it in Doctor Who. I've found it doesn't translate as we..."

YES it is the 50th Anniversary, and now I'm even more curious about the book, thanks :D On top of that, Matt Smith is leaving the show and they are currently seeking a new Doctor.


message 130: by Neil (new)

Neil | 165 comments Paul wrote: "Erik wrote: "Is REDSHIRTS like the CABIN IN THE WOODS of sci-fi novels?"

Actually it reminds me more of Yahtzee Crenshaw's MOGWORLD...which is about characters inside an MMO game that become "self..."


Awesome. I loved Mogworld. Looking forward to reading Redshirts. I was intending to read it in August but wouldn't mind moving it up if it did win this poll. :)


message 131: by Tina (new)

Tina (javabird) | 765 comments Phil wrote: "Tina wrote: "So is Ringworld a YA book?"

I am curious why you ask that Tina. I find a lot of older books now get refered to as YA but they weren't when they were first published. Dragonflight and ..."


Actually I can't remember where I saw it now -- I did a search to find out if it was available as an ebook, and I thought I saw somewhere it was for ages 7-13. But now that I've tried searching again, I can't find where I saw that, so maybe I was mistaken.


message 132: by Daniel (new)

Daniel (amroth-din) | 4 comments I picked 'Do androids...' but I won't be dissapointed if 'Ringworld' wins this poll.


message 133: by Vickstar (new)

Vickstar | 23 comments I lemmed Ringworld a long time ago but strangely I wouldn't mind if it won as it might be a good opportunity to give it another chance. There are some really great options on the list and it was really hard to vote. Although I’ve already read it, I originally picked the Sparrow just because I felt the group discussion about this book would be absolutely amazing to follow. It’s fantastically written, tightly plotted and extremely thought-provoking so I would enjoy reading it again. However, the last few months have all been rereads for me so far, so I’d like to try something new. With that in mind, I changed my vote to Pandora’s Star. I have never read any Peter F. Hamilton before and the book description sounded intriguing.


message 134: by Jeff (new)

Jeff Namadan (jnamadan) | 218 comments Went The Sparrow as it was something different by a new author. Thought about Snow Crash but didn't know how brain-taxing it would be especially since I'd most likely be doing the audiobook version.

Plus I'm voting for an underdog!!


message 135: by John (new)

John Wiswell | 86 comments I was glad to hear Tom endorse The Sparrow. I've had a copy for a few years and would love to read it as a group. The premise is so much more provocative for me, and I hear such great things about Mary Doria Russell.


message 136: by Alan (new)

Alan | 534 comments Jeff wrote: "Thought about Snow Crash but didn't know how brain-taxing it would be especially since I'd most likely be doing the audiobook version..."

It's actually a very light and fluffy book. Early Stephenson is nothing like the dense tomes he started writing with Cryptonomicon and Quicksilver


message 137: by Tina (new)

Tina King | 4 comments Doc who books is quite interesting and i will also go in that book.


message 138: by Robert (new)

Robert Nasuti (rlnasuti) | 31 comments I'm doing a write in vote for "The Ocean at the End of the Lane"


message 139: by Walter (new)

Walter (walterwoods) | 144 comments Voted for Pandora's Star because I've already read it and I'm seriously behind on my reading. I'm in the middle of five different books right now.


message 140: by Paul (new)

Paul Harmon (thesaint08d) | 639 comments Walter wrote: "Voted for Pandora's Star because I've already read it and I'm seriously behind on my reading. I'm in the middle of five different books right now."

Just five...lucky gent you are...I have so many started at every given time that I forget to add them to my currently reading here :)


message 141: by KWinks (new)

KWinks   (icameheretoread) | 31 comments Oh, crud. Voted Ringworld thinking it was Riverworld. Whoops. I'll try to muddle through. Or raise my hopes that Redshirts wins.


message 142: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 7204 comments Mod
Kwinks wrote: "Oh, crud. Voted Ringworld thinking it was Riverworld. Whoops. I'll try to muddle through. Or raise my hopes that Redshirts wins."

You can change your vote.


message 143: by Casey (new)

Casey | 654 comments John wrote: "I was glad to hear Tom endorse The Sparrow. I've had a copy for a few years and would love to read it as a group. The premise is so much more provocative for me, and I hear such great things about ..."

Agreed!


message 144: by Lainey (new)

Lainey (ewriter91) | 22 comments I found super cheap used copies of ringworld on amazon. I paid $4.00 including shipping, supposedly it's in decent condition.


message 145: by Kevin (last edited Jun 22, 2013 11:56AM) (new)

Kevin Xu (kxu65) | 1081 comments The audio version of Ringworld is on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=....


message 146: by Sasha (last edited Jun 23, 2013 03:52PM) (new)

Sasha (n7geek) | 15 comments I have just finished reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and ringworld audiobook and i he already ready have read redshirts so looks like i have the winner read :D


message 147: by P. Aaron (new)

P. Aaron Potter (paaronpotter) | 585 comments So do we have a decision yet? I'm a slow reader... gotta get cracking. Whiteboard ain't gonna draw itself...

On the other hand, three of the potential picks are re-reads for me, so maybe I'm in luck.


message 148: by Tina (last edited Jun 25, 2013 05:42AM) (new)

Tina (javabird) | 765 comments Kevin wrote: "The audio version of Ringworld is on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=...."

The audio version is also available at Overdrive for quite a few libraries:
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http://search.overdrive.com/classic/


message 149: by Sophie (new)

Sophie Anderson (shinimegami23) | 39 comments The poll closes tomorrow, so I assume they'll announce the book on Thursday...


message 150: by David(LA,CA) (new)

David(LA,CA) (davidscharf) | 327 comments Sophie wrote: "The poll closes tomorrow, so I assume they'll announce the book on Thursday..."

Which means that today would be the last day to go back, see where your choice has landed in the voting, and maybe change your vote to one of the top contenders if there's no way your actual choice is going to get a come from behind victory.


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