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SYNCING FORWARD - July 2015

Anyway, MOVIE, YES PLEASE.

I thought that was too funny! I don't think that will ever change.

One totally OCD issue: every time he had to type on his computer while out-of-synch, my mind immediately said, "nope." If he is truly moving at a minute fraction of our time, it would take hours to key one letter. Wouldn't that make this happen: "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"? I realize things could change, but that is what went through my brain.
Otherwise, this book honestly surprised me - in a wonderful, heart-wrenching way.
Chapter 46...Reminded me of a drabble I wrote...
Aching knees, aching hearts, moonlight gleams, light and shadow dances upon ancient stardust. Was mankind meant to live so long? To populate the stars, and to never taste death? How long had it been since he’d left Earth a hundred years before or was it two? Did it matter anymore?
Everyone sought the Fountain of Youth, but he alone understood the implications. Finally the unfathomable distances between stars was something Humanity could bridge.
“How far to destination?” 72,864 years 11 months 7 days 4 hours 8 minutes 11 seconds.
Would it be worth it? He didn’t know.
Aching knees, aching hearts, moonlight gleams, light and shadow dances upon ancient stardust. Was mankind meant to live so long? To populate the stars, and to never taste death? How long had it been since he’d left Earth a hundred years before or was it two? Did it matter anymore?
Everyone sought the Fountain of Youth, but he alone understood the implications. Finally the unfathomable distances between stars was something Humanity could bridge.
“How far to destination?” 72,864 years 11 months 7 days 4 hours 8 minutes 11 seconds.
Would it be worth it? He didn’t know.
A quote from Chapter 46...
The reality of what it meant to cross the great expanse between stars finally set in -even at one-fifth the speed of light, people around the world truly understood what an enormous ocean of nothing our planet drifted upon.
The reality of what it meant to cross the great expanse between stars finally set in -even at one-fifth the speed of light, people around the world truly understood what an enormous ocean of nothing our planet drifted upon.
Amy wrote: "IF YOU'RE NOT READING SYNCING FORWARD YET, YOU SHOULD!
Don't make me talk in all caps again!"
OK OK! Threat acknowledged, book Purchased...and the first three chapters have completely obliterated my ridiculous 5 month readers block!
Love the opening setup, sucked right in. Engaging first person perspective narrative, gets right into the story mystery while cleverly interjecting character exposition and no waffling about with too much environmental detail.
Although not a great fan of FPS, I do enjoy some exceptions such as the mellifluous tongue of Robert Heinlein in The Door into Summer (a previous group read). This doesnt have that class of Heinlein's dialogue but there is a cracking kinetic flow to it so far.
I have not read the synopsis as I committed to it from some of your recommendations and my urge to get in back with the group reads. I like to be surprised from page 1 and enjoy ALL the story turns...if I can help it.
OK my answers to group questions:
Pre read q1: How far am I willing to travel in the future? Well first of all, I have to assume there is a reason to want to travel in time in the first place. There is only one reason I would want to travel in the future and that would be the day I reach an old enough age that my presence is no longer of use to those around me. I would not want to escape the present at any other age because no matter what my obstacles are in life, my will power to conquer life's difficulties are greater than my desire to escape them.
But when I approach my natural end, and being the keen amateur astronomer that I am, I would actually love to travel as far far far in the future as technically possible learn what humanity (if still around) has learnt of the secrets of the universe. That would be cool. And if I find that humanity destroyed themselves long before that potential was achieved, then being the film fan that I am, would still happily bang my fist on the ground, uttering with my dying breath, "God damn you all to hell!"
Pre read q2. Ah....so I am guessing this book is about cryogenic hybernation? Slightly disappointed now but then again The Door into Summer was about that and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But to answer the question. In terms of categorising time travel fiction, strictly speaking, no. Otherwise we might as well call Aliens or Captain America and every piece of science fiction that incorporates hybernation sleep, time travel. However, if we are to be loose with the categorisation and consider if a story involves a person that hybernates to a distant enough future generation, then we should welcome it and not get too fussy :) But if we were strict with the categorisation, Time travel should be a particle, a message or body hopping from one point of time to another point of time without a physical transitioning between the two points.
I dont qualify to answer the other questions yet
Reading question 4: Having read far enough to understand why this question is posed, in the context of this book, I think it is very important for the sake of relating the reader to the real world and creating a plausible environment to engage with. However, care must be taken for the author not be too biased on the political background of their fictitous future and provide a balance of different perspectives from the characters if the narrative neccessatates.
In fact, to give an example, I had completed a time travel book series called Timeriders by Alex Scarrow and am quite a fan of the series but towards the end, I found he was relentlessy biased with his own opinions through his characters with unnecessary deliberacy. I actually agreed with much of his political posturing but annoyed that it interfered too much with the narrative. Of course an author is entitled to give a message, in fact it's essential that a story offers a moralistic message, or to thought provoke but I rather see that thought provocation given a rounded perspective rather than a narrowband brainwash.
Don't make me talk in all caps again!"
OK OK! Threat acknowledged, book Purchased...and the first three chapters have completely obliterated my ridiculous 5 month readers block!
Love the opening setup, sucked right in. Engaging first person perspective narrative, gets right into the story mystery while cleverly interjecting character exposition and no waffling about with too much environmental detail.
Although not a great fan of FPS, I do enjoy some exceptions such as the mellifluous tongue of Robert Heinlein in The Door into Summer (a previous group read). This doesnt have that class of Heinlein's dialogue but there is a cracking kinetic flow to it so far.
I have not read the synopsis as I committed to it from some of your recommendations and my urge to get in back with the group reads. I like to be surprised from page 1 and enjoy ALL the story turns...if I can help it.
OK my answers to group questions:
Pre read q1: How far am I willing to travel in the future? Well first of all, I have to assume there is a reason to want to travel in time in the first place. There is only one reason I would want to travel in the future and that would be the day I reach an old enough age that my presence is no longer of use to those around me. I would not want to escape the present at any other age because no matter what my obstacles are in life, my will power to conquer life's difficulties are greater than my desire to escape them.
But when I approach my natural end, and being the keen amateur astronomer that I am, I would actually love to travel as far far far in the future as technically possible learn what humanity (if still around) has learnt of the secrets of the universe. That would be cool. And if I find that humanity destroyed themselves long before that potential was achieved, then being the film fan that I am, would still happily bang my fist on the ground, uttering with my dying breath, "God damn you all to hell!"
Pre read q2. Ah....so I am guessing this book is about cryogenic hybernation? Slightly disappointed now but then again The Door into Summer was about that and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But to answer the question. In terms of categorising time travel fiction, strictly speaking, no. Otherwise we might as well call Aliens or Captain America and every piece of science fiction that incorporates hybernation sleep, time travel. However, if we are to be loose with the categorisation and consider if a story involves a person that hybernates to a distant enough future generation, then we should welcome it and not get too fussy :) But if we were strict with the categorisation, Time travel should be a particle, a message or body hopping from one point of time to another point of time without a physical transitioning between the two points.
I dont qualify to answer the other questions yet
Reading question 4: Having read far enough to understand why this question is posed, in the context of this book, I think it is very important for the sake of relating the reader to the real world and creating a plausible environment to engage with. However, care must be taken for the author not be too biased on the political background of their fictitous future and provide a balance of different perspectives from the characters if the narrative neccessatates.
In fact, to give an example, I had completed a time travel book series called Timeriders by Alex Scarrow and am quite a fan of the series but towards the end, I found he was relentlessy biased with his own opinions through his characters with unnecessary deliberacy. I actually agreed with much of his political posturing but annoyed that it interfered too much with the narrative. Of course an author is entitled to give a message, in fact it's essential that a story offers a moralistic message, or to thought provoke but I rather see that thought provocation given a rounded perspective rather than a narrowband brainwash.

"Read a science fiction book set in our future (this is specifically to be about humans from earth, though it does not have to take place on earth)"
It begins in 2021....I am at 97% and the year is currently 2126...it involves humans on earth although the humans have changed with time genetically and robotically.

Concerning future robots, this is an interesting step forward--controlling robot brains using bacteria: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/...
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In the movie version, Miranda James should be played by Karina Lombard (of The 4400 and The L Word fame):

So, I am curious of the author's opinion on all of this discussion...
W. Lawrence
First, off how do you see this movie happening? First person perspective from Martin's perspective the whole time, or do we get to know the family much better and see the story from their perspective a bit more?
What do you think about the groups casting decisions? Did you have casting ideas of your own?
I was drawn in by the realistic and plausible geopolitical situations in the book...How did you go about deciding/researching that aspect of the book. I felt it interesting that you seemed to sprinkle it and not overemphasize it.
I noticed you dedicated the book to your daughters....How much of the book is drawn from real life? I know I was bawling through some very emotional chapters, the book is so realistic and relatable, how much of the writing stemmed from your life?
After finishing the book....
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First, off how do you see this movie happening? First person perspective from Martin's perspective the whole time, or do we get to know the family much better and see the story from their perspective a bit more?
What do you think about the groups casting decisions? Did you have casting ideas of your own?
I was drawn in by the realistic and plausible geopolitical situations in the book...How did you go about deciding/researching that aspect of the book. I felt it interesting that you seemed to sprinkle it and not overemphasize it.
I noticed you dedicated the book to your daughters....How much of the book is drawn from real life? I know I was bawling through some very emotional chapters, the book is so realistic and relatable, how much of the writing stemmed from your life?
After finishing the book....
(view spoiler) ["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>["br"]>

Re: the movie
So much of this is up in the air, but the script I am working on is a thriller style, so it is going to give you very little new information than what you get in the book. Glimpses and hints outside of his POV are going to be necessary to convey information, but beyond that the audience will be trapped right along with Martin. Of course, if I am fortunate enough to have the book turned into a movie, they may decide to make it more of a drama, which would be fine with me.

If I were king of the world, my choices (in no particular order) would be...
Josh Lucas. He's a good southern boy and easy on the eyes for the ladies. Need to make him look less GQ, but that's easy enough.

Norman Reedus. An under-appreciated actor and popularized as a badass on The Walking Dead. He has a great tortured face and he can cry. Martin James needs to be able to cry. Reedus would clean up real well and he'd bring a TON of fans with him to the box office.

John Cusack. He is a thoughtful actor and would easily be able to pull off the role. He's a little older than Martin James would be, but I don't care. I'm also a bit selfish as I grew up watching his movies and would love to meet him.

There are some others too that I am sure would pull it off, but I can't think of them now.
Oh, for Dr. Bruchmuller, I would definitely choose...
Noah Emmerich. He's a tall fella (6'3") and it would be easy to believe that he could (view spoiler)

W. wrote: "Re: Movie casting
If I were king of the world, my choices (in no particular order) would be...
Josh Lucas. He's a good southern boy and easy on the eyes for the ladies. Need to make him look les..."
Josh Lucas fits within my mental image of Martin. I like that idea. Noah Emmerich would definitely work for the Dr.
If I were king of the world, my choices (in no particular order) would be...
Josh Lucas. He's a good southern boy and easy on the eyes for the ladies. Need to make him look les..."
Josh Lucas fits within my mental image of Martin. I like that idea. Noah Emmerich would definitely work for the Dr.


...But she would need to be as fantastic of an actress as Jennifer Carpenter.


I do have two girls, and they were 7 and 9 when I started the book, so it was easy to write Bella and Amara at a young age. I took the most amazing and unstable elements of each of them and placed them into Amara. Then all the stable, considerate aspects I put into Bella; I also tried to figure out what it would be like to be 'that kid', the one whose sibling is good at absolutely everything but terrible at relationships.
(view spoiler)

It's funny, but the (view spoiler) didn't really freak me out until just now. That would... well, honestly, I think it would suck for a lot of people, it could be really terrifying.

Ding ding! Now I'm going to be disappointed if it's anyone else.
Amy wrote: "This does bring me to a thought. I wonder how 1st person cryogenic time travel stories fit within the hero's journey model of storytelling. If the hero starts in the past and awakens in the future after being frozen, there's no way that they can ever "return home"."
I think that the hero can return to a piece of his/her home in a cryo-story. Big spoiler ahead. (view spoiler) But I have also seen it done by going back to a geographic place or the protagonist finding a piece of home, (a final letter from a loved one, a keepsake, etc.) In Speaker for the Dead, another one way time travel book, the hero had to substitute going home by finding home for another.
And a question of my own -(view spoiler)
W. wrote: "S.K.'s spoiler question:
I am terribly pessimistic about the Singularity if reached. Regardless of whether it is achieved by artificial intelligence or collective intelligence as I described in Sy..."
Hmm... I couldn't have guessed your pessimistic view of it from reading your book. ;)
I don't see it progressing to that point. Although, my 5-year old did express that "real life is boring" when I told her just now that it was time for us to stop playing Minecraft and get on with our Saturday. It's not too far a stretch to have a majority in agreement with that statement as a first step.
I am terribly pessimistic about the Singularity if reached. Regardless of whether it is achieved by artificial intelligence or collective intelligence as I described in Sy..."
Hmm... I couldn't have guessed your pessimistic view of it from reading your book. ;)
I don't see it progressing to that point. Although, my 5-year old did express that "real life is boring" when I told her just now that it was time for us to stop playing Minecraft and get on with our Saturday. It's not too far a stretch to have a majority in agreement with that statement as a first step.
Amy wrote: "W. wrote: "S.K.'s spoiler question:
I am terribly pessimistic about the Singularity if reached. Regardless of whether it is achieved by artificial intelligence or collective intelligence as I desc..."
Real life is boring!! Read a good book...:)
I am terribly pessimistic about the Singularity if reached. Regardless of whether it is achieved by artificial intelligence or collective intelligence as I desc..."
Real life is boring!! Read a good book...:)

I read a book on how to write books that said that every book is an argument. Nice to see that guy wasn't talking out of his butt.
I've got this unkillable Pollyanna in me, who, no matter how much post apocalyptic dystopia I throw at her, refuses to die. Like Johnny Depp and David Brin, I'm excited about the possibility of Singularity.
I'm (marginally) smarter than my dogs, and yet I don't spend my time planning their demise. Humans have a natural tendency to want their children to do better than they did, and that tendency would foster whatever infant intelligence that arises in such a way that it would look upon us as doddering parents, not vermin. And even if the singularity goes badly for us and we are left with an omnipotent tyrant whose word is unappealable law, that sounds a lot like what the ancient Hebrews had to deal with, and they're doing alright.
I guess the scariest aspect of a singularity that I can envision is having a curfew again, and someone who can tell me that cookies for dinner is not acceptable.

Don't make me talk in all caps again!"
Despite your insistence, I am not going to read this just now. Don't want to read something that will bring tears to my eyes (unless it's tears of laughter.) I'll add it to my TBR for a future read. :)

PUPPETS
Eek! Seriously.
Glynn, she talked in ALL CAPS and you're STILL RESISTING? WTF dude. :-P



Eek! Seriously."
I will grant that puppets can be eek-worthy. (Especially those giant puppet dancers at Ren Faires.) But are you creeped out about being made into a puppet after the Singularity or about the new intelligence unleashing an army of creepily large papier mache puppet dancers upon the world? (Which, under a different name, and in a different time, I wrote a short story about.)


The one thing I did want to incorporate into the book was a feeling of a blended English/Latino culture via their marriage and children, as this is where the U.S. is headed demographically speaking. Maybe an Italian actress could pull off the role, but it would be nice to cast somebody from Central or South America. Likewise, I'd like the daughters to be from blended backgrounds.
(view spoiler)

Oooh, Chelsea Gilligan would be good for one of the daughters (she could probably go sweet or scary).



1. Practically speaking, how far into the future would you be willing to go if there was no way to go back?
2. Does the idea of chemo-preservation/cryonics count..."
Coming in very late, I see. Sorry.
1. Not at all. I don't like what I see coming, just as the author's note to this says that Lawrence doesn't, either. Unlike him, I have no desire to face it.
2. I agree with Martin that this is a gray area. I think it counts for purposes of this group reading this book - but barely.

Reading Questions
1. (After chapter 17) (view spoiler)
2. (After chapter 17) (view spoiler)
3. (After chapter 18) Do you have a more optimistic ..." Tbh, I try not to think about it, but just do the best I can with the energy I have.

Syncing Forwardwas published in 2014, and begins in the near future of 2021. Not quite a decade into the future.
As fans/authors of time travel, how important ..."
Good question. I choose, generally, not to read near-fiction. It too often is too bleak. If someone can justify a more optimistic view of the world my grandchildren will grow up in, I'd love to see that justification. Either way, yeah, research and plausibility count, definitely.

I agree. (view spoiler)
Amy wrote: "This book's really getting under my skin.
Reading Questions
1. (After chapter 17) [spoilers removed]
2. (After chapter 17) [spoilers removed]
3. (After chapter 18) Do you have a more optimistic ..."
I am 65% through now, chapter 24. If I had two full days free I would have finished this book easily as it is bloody well unputdownable. As it is I am only getting about one hour a day to read and if on a train, I am tempted to overshoot another stop and walk to my destination just to read that little further.
My Answer to reading Question 1 (spoilers up to chapter 23 ) (view spoiler)
My answer to reading Question 2 (spoilers up to chapter 23 )(view spoiler)
My answer to Reading question 3: (no spoilers)
If we look to the past, pretty much every ancient civilisation have succumbed to extinction either by natural disaster or by self destructive ignorance of their environment.
Our fate could still be either...and WILL be either if the wisdom of our species sway towards the selfishness and denial of our self destructive predicament. If that happens, life will still prevail and evolve, hopefully with greater wisdom and education from what has gone before. And you know what, that's a flipping positive, despite the tragedies of our current ignorance and stubbornness leading to near extinction.
But there is a difference between our current and fragile civilization to those of the past.
This time around, we know our possible fates and more expertly knowledged of our impending environmental and social problems. And with the global internet and television, we are being educated at a far more mass scale. Its possible some wise sages in previous extinct civilisations have also known and warned of self destruction/environmental dangers but were ignored. This time around, we have laboratories seeking a solution to energy shortage in renewable resources and other means, though some controversial, like fracking and nuclear plants. But we have scientists and researchers working on solutions to all sorts of global threats including the biggest problem in anti-biotics which I am surprised the book did bring up (although that might have turned it into a Zombie novel, lol). So thats the difference between our current and past civilisations.
But on the negative side we have the technological prowess to wipe out all life. What really scares me is how much our world can be affected by the influences and actions of one individual. Its a dice game.
The thing is, I think a majority of us knows the perils of our sustaining our future but the people who get into power are almost always by nature, people who seek wealth and prosperity for either themselves or for their country as a priority. Leaders are almost never voted in power for their environmental endeavours for the future but for their promises of better living in the present. Thats the people voting and have only themselves to blame as a collective despite all the noddings and agreements with David Attenborough's warning...we end up at the polls marking an X against the guys who says will lower taxes. That weakness in us might be our obstacle.
Therefore, hope for our species depends on the strength of the world to unite against global threats. Our planet has been through many phases of extinctions including one that nearly wiped off all life (and that's not the dinosaur extinction, that was a just small scale compared to others that have happened). Yet life prevailed. Despite the potential tragedy of near extinctions, I still take comfort in the fact that there will be survivors and they will evolve into hopefully wiser species. We wouldn't be here if there wasnt previous mass extinctions...they were a neccessity to our evolution. I also hope we go further by populating other uninhabited worlds as widespread as possible with our basic building blocks of life to evolve naturally to those world environments. Better still but a harder challenge, to spread our currently complex genetics on other worlds which need terraforming or ourselves altered to adapt to the other worlds environments. Uninhabited worlds as we best not get evil on some poor Navis...
I'd like to pose a reading question if not too late (which I already self answered in my last answer to question 3:
Reading Question number 5: What are your thoughts of colonisation on other worlds? Should we prioritise the pursuit of such an endeavour? How important do you think it is?
Reading Questions
1. (After chapter 17) [spoilers removed]
2. (After chapter 17) [spoilers removed]
3. (After chapter 18) Do you have a more optimistic ..."
I am 65% through now, chapter 24. If I had two full days free I would have finished this book easily as it is bloody well unputdownable. As it is I am only getting about one hour a day to read and if on a train, I am tempted to overshoot another stop and walk to my destination just to read that little further.
My Answer to reading Question 1 (spoilers up to chapter 23 ) (view spoiler)
My answer to reading Question 2 (spoilers up to chapter 23 )(view spoiler)
My answer to Reading question 3: (no spoilers)
If we look to the past, pretty much every ancient civilisation have succumbed to extinction either by natural disaster or by self destructive ignorance of their environment.
Our fate could still be either...and WILL be either if the wisdom of our species sway towards the selfishness and denial of our self destructive predicament. If that happens, life will still prevail and evolve, hopefully with greater wisdom and education from what has gone before. And you know what, that's a flipping positive, despite the tragedies of our current ignorance and stubbornness leading to near extinction.
But there is a difference between our current and fragile civilization to those of the past.
This time around, we know our possible fates and more expertly knowledged of our impending environmental and social problems. And with the global internet and television, we are being educated at a far more mass scale. Its possible some wise sages in previous extinct civilisations have also known and warned of self destruction/environmental dangers but were ignored. This time around, we have laboratories seeking a solution to energy shortage in renewable resources and other means, though some controversial, like fracking and nuclear plants. But we have scientists and researchers working on solutions to all sorts of global threats including the biggest problem in anti-biotics which I am surprised the book did bring up (although that might have turned it into a Zombie novel, lol). So thats the difference between our current and past civilisations.
But on the negative side we have the technological prowess to wipe out all life. What really scares me is how much our world can be affected by the influences and actions of one individual. Its a dice game.
The thing is, I think a majority of us knows the perils of our sustaining our future but the people who get into power are almost always by nature, people who seek wealth and prosperity for either themselves or for their country as a priority. Leaders are almost never voted in power for their environmental endeavours for the future but for their promises of better living in the present. Thats the people voting and have only themselves to blame as a collective despite all the noddings and agreements with David Attenborough's warning...we end up at the polls marking an X against the guys who says will lower taxes. That weakness in us might be our obstacle.
Therefore, hope for our species depends on the strength of the world to unite against global threats. Our planet has been through many phases of extinctions including one that nearly wiped off all life (and that's not the dinosaur extinction, that was a just small scale compared to others that have happened). Yet life prevailed. Despite the potential tragedy of near extinctions, I still take comfort in the fact that there will be survivors and they will evolve into hopefully wiser species. We wouldn't be here if there wasnt previous mass extinctions...they were a neccessity to our evolution. I also hope we go further by populating other uninhabited worlds as widespread as possible with our basic building blocks of life to evolve naturally to those world environments. Better still but a harder challenge, to spread our currently complex genetics on other worlds which need terraforming or ourselves altered to adapt to the other worlds environments. Uninhabited worlds as we best not get evil on some poor Navis...
I'd like to pose a reading question if not too late (which I already self answered in my last answer to question 3:
Reading Question number 5: What are your thoughts of colonisation on other worlds? Should we prioritise the pursuit of such an endeavour? How important do you think it is?

Last week I signed a deal with Podium Publishing, an audiobook company well known for putting out the audio version of The Martian and other big hits. Coincidentally, I was looking into having an audiobook produced while simultaneously reading The Martian when Podium contacted me. The timing couldn't have been better, and some might call it serendipitous. I don't have any other details beyond what I've posted here, but I'd be happy to keep y'all posted.
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Who would you cast as the characters?
(any characters you care to cast)"
I'm not sure if you saw my note about it or not, but the author is currently writing a screenplay for a movie option, so you may get your wish. :-)
I imagine Jack Davenport (of Flashforward and Coupling fame) as Martin
I can see Amara in my mind, but I have a hard time thinking of an actress that's not too old to play her.