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Sohaib
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Aug 10, 2014 08:30AM
@Moon Welcome to the group :)... hope you like it here :)
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Moon tumhara naam aj se chnda:D:P
Haha,I like it..it's cute! Thanks guys,I'm really glad to have joined :)
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Maira i really appreciate!tu bohat e koi alaa moderatoor ho hr wqt ads deti rehti ho hmary pass yh hai yh hai or wo hai or sb ahi!::P haha cute:P
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n u r making me feel tht u're cute:P:*:P
Well,I feel quite welcome:) Unfortunately,I'm having exams in a week so I don't think I can take part in the contest..plus,I'm more of a reader than a writer :p I'd love to try some other time though
@Moon best of luck for the exams!! :-)@Maira aap ne mujhe tau aisay welcome nhn kiya tha!! :-(.. this is gender biasness or u hate me that much?? ;-(
@Zarnab cute aur Maira ahem ahem sorry khansi aagai thi ;-P
tum budhay ho gye ho khans khans k wfaat na pa jana syrup pio:P hahaha:P
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Sohaib: You are THE OLD man here. You were here before me iss liye ap ka intro mane nai parha ha. ;P ma itni purrani nai hun you know. ;p
And buy the way ap merre sa jealous kitne hotte ho Zarra sa complement mujhe mille and ap ka uchkaal honne lagtti ha. LOL...
oh pleaseeee i am not jealous... I was coughing at u being cute :-P... u were here before me i think :-/... and by the way I am not the OLD man here :-P... mujhse bhi puranay log hain yahan :-P
Is there any need to give my intro again?:D:P
Well,virtual life rocks!and reality sucks:P
Well,virtual life rocks!and reality sucks:P
Nope no intro but a huuuugeee apology to me :(... People thought that I made you run away screaming!!! ;P
haha:P hannnnnnn wo tum hi thy jisne mjhse 'bhta' manga tha goodreads per rehny k liye:D:D:P
Bhta manga aur bhi kisse.... tsk tsk tsk :-P
@Zarnab- welcome back :-P should i order some cotton for my ears haha
@shehzad tumhary kano ka operation ho gya??:O wah!ab to or cheekh k bolna pre ga:D
hahaha:P ppl whn sohaib found only a ssika wo b ik rupay wala usne dhamki di k dfa ho jao yha se wrna jan se maar du ga:/ he is a khula terrorist:/:( shoot him ppl:P haha:P
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@zarnab
Welcome back :), Intro to nai par Jurmana daina pare ga :P
Bta do kitny!jummerat ki bri dehari lgai mene:D:D:P haha:P
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Haan bhee, Is dfa to 14 august bhe the :P
Chalo phr decide kar btatay hain tumian. :)
bta dena ta k mein utny waly note ki pic google kr lu jaldi se:D haha:P
I am Ali Khan. Been reading books since 3rd Grade. Love French, German and Russian Classic authors but not the British as i believe there is only Novel from that land worth reading, i.e., Wuthering Heights .Presently, Latin American Literature and Science Fiction is what I fancy.
Apart from literature, I Like books on Politics, Religion, Militancy, General Science, Anthropology, Sociology, History etc etc
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Thank you Maira.And I have been under a lot of bad influences that caused a tilt toward Russians and Germans, in Literature.
And even though I am biased against considering most of British classics as classics at par with the Russians, I do enjoy their language extensively. As with the classical Urdu prose, 19th and 20th century (good) English prose brings me sensational pleasure.
@ Yusra, I apologize. I have read and enjoyed Dickens, Hardy, Foster, G. Eliot, Austin, Lawrence, Orwell etc and have nothing against them. However, as we were speaking about Russian Novels, I hope everyone would agree that English novels are no match for the likes of Brother Karamazov, Anna Karenina etc. But this is valid only if we judge all novels from all countries by a single standard. As novels in there own right, they do have merit and are source of much pleasure, as you said... I can personally testify to that.. I even enjoyed the depressing Thomas Hardy for that matter.
Thank you @Yusra @Sohaib @Shehzad
@Ali I beg to differ... I hated Anna... barely completed first 100 pages and knew wasted every second specifically because of the repetition of names and extra characters that were absolutely unnecessary... I like British better because they just leave the unnecessary characters in vagueness
Hey there, Ali. Hope you enjoy your stay with us. Plus, I agree with what Yusra says. The British have a very peculiar sense of humor that is hard to find anywhere else.
@Sohaib,I agree with that. Not to mention that in Russian literature, each character has more than one name and many aliases. That is confusing indeed, at first. Additionally, Tolstoi is famous/infamous for being so thoroughly meticulous and very slow. But his forte lies in explaining why we do what we do. He is actually trying to explore individual psyche from the subtlest of conscious gestures, talk and seemingly unimportant hints and innuendos therefore, you are bombarded with details that one think one can do without. His novels would remind you of the vast panoramic Russian landscape in their lengths and scopes in which the story continues at a stately pace. I think proper way is not to 'finish' his novels but to merely 'enjoy' it (if you can survive the details and the length). How characters behave and betray their inner selves and feelings through their often unnoticeable yet conscious countless actions is more important to Tolstoi than the story or even plot.
Dostoyevsky does the same but his method is exploring the sub-conscious. His treatment of his characters is thus brutal and shocking as he surgically removes the conscious social or moral masks and in the end he also manages to bring out their true selves.
However, we conclude that tastes differ.
@ Osama, you are right but its not because the British have a peculiar sense of humor. The actual reason is that we have a connection with them that spans over centuries. We have been exposed to their culture more than any other culture and hence we are programmed to appreciate their cultural nuances and humor very well. Direct or indirect (American) British influence on our education, political system and media is responsible for that.
I found that out when reading Yiddish literature, which i was able to enjoy immensely. The reason was that Yiddish/Jewish culture has, surprisingly, much in common with my own culture (its should not be so though). The same is the case with Latin American literature.
On the other hand, we know barely anything of the German, Russian or French cultures and thus might be wanting in appreciating, say, their humor in its entirety.
For that reason, I always go for British comedies as American humor is, at times, a bit, lets say, too commercial for me. As an Audiobook listener, I also like if the narrator has British accent. I even like British printed Editions more than the American as I consider British designs attractive. And it goes on and on.
Weel Ali i am a big russian fan there wont many good russian writers which i havent read but problem with russian classics is they can be drag sometimes they have a simple but complicated plot with lots and lots of characters which is difficult for everyone to read that is why mostly dont prefer it, u talked about brothers karamazov it is one of my favourite books of all time read it when i was 16 and it effected my life like no other book could it makes u fall in love and hate each character but u may have noticed that it was uninteresting at times sometimes u just want those pages to skip by (unnecessary details .And as u said about british we have connection with them but thats the human psychology we like something more when we can relate to it instead of being totally foreign to it, thats why people read more of british literature.
i am a big fan of russian literature but i almost admire british literature for me they are on par with russians
Welcome, welcome to all those I missed out on the past few months!
@Ali see Russians ruined u :-P... itna lamba reply!!! ;-)
@ Sohaib. Han. I already admitted I had bad influences.. :-P@ Mughees .. You have summed it up very well. Karamazov has pages upon pages with nothing happening and one character painstakingly establishing that (for example) why he likes tea hot.
But that's my cup of tea. If you have read short works of Franz Kafka, including his letters to his father, you would know that he suffers from the same ('The Borrow' is a good example or his novel 'The Castle' where a single para can run into more than 13 pages).. But I devoured his each word with relish.
But I admit that's not necessarily a good thing. I love them because i don't like 'finishing' books as much as i love enjoying them.
I am so glad that I found this place. You are all so fun to talk to. Thank you so much for accepting me.
i have read everything which kafka has written so yes i have an idea of what u r talking about
Tolstoy would be my cup of tea when it comes to the Russians. The Death of Ivan Ilych really shook my soul and being from within. I've been dying to try Dostoevsky, and most friends are urging me towards Brothers Karamazov, but I'm in no mood for a year-long lecture on morals and ethical logic. Instead, I'm pining for Anna Karenina. There's also the movie..
I just read Ali's statement about British authors above. Well, while I personally disagree, you should try Ireland if you haven't already: Oscar thegreat Wilde!
And haha, every Pakistani is accepted here. There's no discrimination. I think it's safe to say that, among the majority of our sad and narrow-minded society, we here have space for acceptance, tolerance and liberalism. Welcome to the circle of Pakistani readers!
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I've been dying to try Dostoevsky, and most friends are urging me ..."
Nicely said Komal!
Maira <3You must inbox me and update me on yourself!
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You must inbox me and update me on yourself!"
okay :)
@Komal, do not watch the Anna Karenina movie if you intend to read the book.And I have read Wilde, Joyce, Beckett, Shaw and some others (Bram Stoker, C. Lewis and Swift of course) and of them Shaw is whom I would read again and again. Joyce, notwithstanding the hype, was not so intriguing or charming for me (I would rather read 'The Reprieve' by Sartre and get an headache).
Wilde's done-to-death Dorian Gray is perhaps what you were talking about and I agree. However, I don't have the heart to read plays, accept those from Shakespeare and Shaw, and therefore, I might be missing a lot.
I also liked Frank MacCourt and John Banville (especially The Sea).
On a weird note, for some odd reason modern Irish novels reminds me of potatoes.. :P
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