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MODS, do these books have to be read in order? If I wanted to start with a 2019 book and then move to 2001 and so forth, is that okay?
Vicki's Potential Reads for the Decades Challenge✅ 2001 (1)
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Decades Challenge 2019Duration: January 9, 2019 - February 20, 2020
Level: VIII- 190 Books (Millennium level)
Books Completed: 13/190
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Fool Moon by Jim Butcher 1/12/192002
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We Need to Talk About Kevin by Lionel Shriver 1/03/192.
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How to Knit a Murder by Sally Goldenbaum 1/06/19✅ 5.
Josh and Hazel's Guide to Not Dating by Christina Lauren 110/196.
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Moderators of NBRC wrote: "Vicki wrote: ""Since this challenge is for the year 2019 any books you've read this year may be included." I don't understand how the 2019 books can include any books we read this year. I could add..."Okay, thank you. :)
Dec 22, 2018 04:03PM
Sadly, my plans went awry. I haven't read anything more the past couple of days...just too busy!
Serious Reading Challenge 2019 Level 1:
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✅ 1. Gina and Mike by Buffy Andrews 1/02/19
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✅ 3. We Need to Talk About Kevin 1/03/19
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✅ 5. Under a Dark Sky 1/05/19
✅ 6. How to Knit a Murder 1/06/19
✅ 7. The Sea of Tranquility 1/06/19
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"Since this challenge is for the year 2019 any books you've read this year may be included." I don't understand how the 2019 books can include any books we read this year. I could add all 300 plus from 2018?
Dec 20, 2018 07:22PM
I know what you mean! I have never read anything about Telemechus before so I'm enjoying it. Sorry if I got so long-winded! LOL
Dec 20, 2018 02:06PM
IntroductionWhen I taught The Odyssey, Telemachus was barely mentioned so I am excited to read the entire books and the sections that he is in so I can learn about him. I knew he was an infant when Odysseus went to fight in the Trojan War, and the war was 10 years long and his return took as long, so he had to be between 20-21. I didn't know anything else about him based on the only books that were included in my students' textbook.
I love the lines that the intro says includes "Dawn" twenty times. I didn't know that. "But when early-born rosy-fingered Dawn appeared..." is such a beautiful example of personification. The imagery is gorgeous. This poem has so much in it that we could talk about for a very long time!
I'd love a discovery of some kind that would definitively answer the question: Who really wrote The Odyssey and why is Homer given credit?
"Homer's World"
This section has a lot of information that is helpful to me. Some of the previous is info I'll never retain but was interesting to read and ponder.
It is pointed out that Odysseus traveled to some fictional and mythological places, both of which to me are the most fun! Obviously the Trojan War is historical fact, but the "Land of the Dead" and Scylla and Charybdis are too fun to think of them only as mythological!
It also mentions that Odysseus is "a master of deceit" which is also fun to read! I love the part when he dupes Polyphemus! Odysseus is a skilled LIAR! But it gets him out of a lot of trouble! He's just so clever and uses his brain to outsmart so many people and monsters!
"Goddesses, Wives, Princesses, and Slave Girls"
I've never really delved into who wrote The Odyssey but I certainly had never considered if it might be a woman. Perhaps the reasoning that Samuel Butler gave is faulty or sexist. I have done the same thing, admittedly, when reading a romance book written by a male and wondered how he could write it so well from the point of a woman's view.
I did think that the little we read about Penelope and Telemechus in class exemplified her as a strong woman of her home, especially so for her time.
I didn't think twice about Athena's power/influence because she was born out of Zeus's head so I'd expect her to be a powerful female influence.
"Becoming a Man"
I feel for Telemechus because he had no father at home teaching him to be a man. He tries so hard to protect his mother and their home in the only ways he knows how, but isn't very successful until his father comes home.
"The Choice of Odysseus"
I always admired that even though Odysseus spent seven years with Calypso, he never was happy. He truly loved his wife and wanted to be home. Calypso made the "mistake" of believing that her beauty and body could replace love for a woman who has a man's heart. She is an enchantress, so I can't help but to believe that he had him spellbound.
"Hated Odysseus"
I think that when Odysseus and his men are heading through the straits between Scylla and Charybdis, he really takes a chance. Circe warned him not to fight Scylla, and he knows he's going to lose at least six men (I think it was six) to her because she has six heads/necks, but he never warns his men. I believe this is indicative of his arrogance, just as when Polyphemus threw the top of a mountain out to the boat that Odysseus and his crew were on and caused the tidal wave, Odysseus still had to taunt him and called him "puny" and put his men's lives in danger.
Dec 20, 2018 12:36PM
I have this version:
and the intro has tons of information and is almost 100 pages long. I am in to Book 1 and wonder if we want to try to have somewhat of a breakdown when to post. I don't know if you all want to do that or not, but I'll most likely post at these points:
Introduction: pg. 1-104
Books 1-6 pg. 105-207
Books 7-12 pg. 208-315
Books 13-18 pg. 316-423
Books 19-24 pg. 423-525
I've read the intro and am in Book 1, page 115. The above will help me to stay on track to finish by Sunday. I might comment sooner if I feel the desire/need to or have questions to ask.
I taught The Odyssey to freshmen in high school, but they didn't have the whole book. They only read 5 books, if I remember correctly. If you are new to reading this epic poem, I suggest you definitely read the introduction if your edition has one. My edition also has a very brief summary of each book and a glossary, which I'm sure all editions have. The summaries are VERY brief though!
One more thing: it's a pretty quick read because it is a poem. I love that it's in iambic pentameter, which is how Shakespeare wrote most of his poems so I'm very familiar with it. It is NOT easy to follow a pattern like that, so I'm very impressed that the translator has done this story in iambic pentameter, too. It's so beautifully written!
I have to go help hubs right now, so I'll post comments later. I REALLY hope you all enjoy this one! It's full of heroics, intellectual wins (since Odysseus can't possibly win certain physical fights), monsters, nymphs, gods/goddesses, and so much action!
General Comment on Map
Odysseus was King of Ithaca, a small Greek island. The map is good to use as one way to show how much Odysseus traveled, which is by definition one aspect of an epic poem. The hero travels far and wide. He goes from Ithaca to Troy to fight and avenge Helen for King Melenaus. There are a couple theories. One is that Paris (Prince of Troy) abducted her; the other is that they had a steamy affair going and she ran off with him. Either way, that's what prompted the war that took Odysseus away from his home for 20 years!
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Woo hoo!! Thanks for all your hard work as captain, Erin. I appreciated your encouragement and enthusiasm!
GOOD LUCK!
Dec 08, 2018 11:09AM
DQs Last Set Star of Bethlehem
36. Lydia was very impulsive, in switching tickets with Hulda. Have you ever done anything so impulsive? What did it make you think about Lydia's character and situation?
I'm not really an impulsive person, so I can't recall anything.
37. Being British, the idea that an airport is four hours drive away is insane to me - I mean, I can be in France in four hours! which means I find it hard to connect with the situation (and, incidentally, completely got Hulda's outrage in the airport that getting a bus wasn't practical!) Did the setting of the story add or distract from your reading?
I thought that was insane, too! I live not far from quite a few different airports. The setting didn't really add or subtract from my reading.
38. Ethan's family was a really tangible element to the story. Do you think Lydia fell for the boy or the mob?
I have a feeling she fell for for the boy.
The Girl Who Woke the Dreamer
39. This story had a really unpleasant baddy, in the form of Reverend Thingy (I disliked him so much that all I retain of his name is that it began with S). Did you react strongly to him? Other characters?
I couldn't stand him. I hate when people are deceptive and claim to be something other than what they are. He was a total pervert and creepy!
40. The fact that the baddy was the priest and the love interest was a primoridal god-like creature made this feel kinda anti-religion. Do you think it fitted with the holiday theme of the collection?
I think it fit in the sense that everyone celebrates (or not) the holiday season in different ways.
41. The imagery in this story was really powerful. Did you enjoy it?
I did enjoy it, assuming the question refers to the imagery of the snow. I thought it was done quite well.
42. and finally: do you have a favourite story? which author(s) will you read more of?
I liked several, one being Welcome to Christmas, CA. I have read Stephanie Perkins and will read more of her books, for sure.
I finished my BOM and posted my DQ's on the thread and on our team's BOM SS. I am off to finish Scythe now because I'm almost done anyway. lol There are two tasks now marked as done on the SS that my two books can fill, but I think they might have been completed but the completion dates were not added to the SS. If we end up needing to cover, the two my books would cover are "black boots on cover" Empire of Storms and "black text on cover" The Dark Descent of Elizabeth Frankenstein. I won't have time to read anything else to cover the others. I hope the other teammates come through for us.
Thanks again everyone! It's been such a pleasure to work with all of you. :)
Dec 08, 2018 09:11AM
DQ Day 3 Ch 17-End10) Judge Frankenstein did not let Elizabeth know that he was fighting to get her inheritance back. If she would have known, do you think she would have handled things differently with when she found Justine and forced a marriage between her and Victor? Would she have been a different person?
I doubt it simply because of the times in which Elizabeth lived. I think she would have been the same regardless.
11) Victor said, “You made it clear from the start you did not care what I did so long as you did not have know the specifics. It was our agreement.” Did Elizabeth contribute to Victor’s madness? If she would have told him he went was going too far at any time, would he have stopped or just not tell her?
I don't think that Elizabeth specifically contributed to his madness, because he's literally mad/insane; however, I do think that by not telling what she knew she did help perpetuate the acts that he committed.
12) Victor wound up leaving after the conversation Elizabeth saw with the monster. Later we found out that he was watching and protecting Elizabeth. Was Elizabeth committed to an asylum to keep her safe or to get the monster out of the way so Victor would be able to continue with his work?
I am pretty sure she was committed to make sure she remained quiet. I don't think it was to protect her at all.
13) Was it surprising that Victor killed Henry and used part of him for his experiments? Were you surprised that Mary and Elizabeth friended the monster and let him chose a new name?
No, nothing surprised me regarding how horrible Victor was to do such a thing. I thought from the beginning that he had or would kill Henry. I did think that for the women to befriend the monster was perhaps a bit of a stretch, but they probably felt that since it was part of Henry there was no way it would hurt them.
14) Do you believe that Victor finally succeeded with his experiment to retrieve Elizabeth or that he needed to go forward with the experiment on her to have her back the way she was?
No, I don't think he succeeded.
15) How did you like this retelling to the original and/or other retellings?
I definitely enjoyed this re-telling very much. What I remember most of the original Frankenstein came from the movies I saw as a young person. They were very popular at the time, but to remember enough to compare it impossible. I do, however, think it fares well with other re-tellings I have read.
Dec 08, 2018 08:55AM
Discussion Questions Part 2 (Ch 12 to 16)6) Sometimes we are strangers even to ourselves
Another great quote in this book! Do you think Elizabeth was just referring to Henry here or about all 3 of them? She seems quite restless and unsettled since finding Victor. Why do you think this is?
I think she was referring to all three of them because she includes themselves in the general population. In other words, she was referring to everyone.
7) It's fairly well established at this point that everyone is frightened of Victor to the point where most seem to want to avoid him as much as possible. Elizabeth comments that at night when she was scared and having horrible nightmares she went to Victor. And sleeping by his side, she had no nightmares. Why do you think that is?
I think she does that because she is crazy! LOL But seriously, I think that up to that point and throughout their lives, she and Victor had such a close bond that she doesn't fear him if she is right by his side. She can't conceive of the possibility that he'd hurt her if she's right there to talk him down.
8) Why do you think everyone was so willing to believe Justine killed William? To believe her going mad so suddenly and randomly? Do you think she actually did it? If not, who do you think it was?
I definitely don't think that Justine killed William. In that day and time it was easy to use a woman of Justine's class and lack of being "somebody" in society, so she was simply their scapegoat.
9) Elizabeth sees her actions towards saving Justine from her previous life as the only selfless thing she has done in her life. Do you think her actions were truly selfless though?
At the time when I read what she did for Justine, I did think her actions were selfless; however, now that the story has progressed, I think that based on her character traits she did have alternative reasons for helping Justine. I believe that one reason was simply to help her but not the only reason.
10) Upon seeing the monster having a conversation with Victor, that Victor appears to lose, Elizabeth's reaction is to find out what it is holding over Victor, remove the hold, then kill the monster. Do you think this is a normal reaction? What would you have done?
I don't know what I would have done if truly confronted with that situation, but knowing myself today I don't think I'd have killed the monster myself. I'm too chicken. I don't think it was normal because in reality I don't think most women would do such a thing.
Dec 08, 2018 08:43AM
Discussion Questions Part 1 (pg 1-124)1. I love this quote in the story. “Justine did not have to pretend, as she always seemed genuinely unaware of the effect we had on men. I, however, was perfectly aware of my beauty. I considered it a skill, alongside speaking French, English, Italian, and German. It was a language of its own, in a way; on that translated well in different circumstances.” What does this tell you about the different characters of Justine and Elizabeth?
This quote reminded me of how the two women are so different. Elizabeth is very cunning and a "gifted" liar; whereas, Justine is such an innocent personality and so sweet in nature. She shoots straight and doesn't connive and lie the way Elizabeth. Elizabeth uses her "womanly wiles" to get what she wants, but Justine is a natural beauty who is so pure in heart that she doesn't even consider her effect on others, particularly men.
2. Elizabeth truly seems able to control Victor’s dark character. She helps him clean up after the incident with his younger brother, and comes up with a story to help save Victor. Why do you think she is able to do that when no-one else seems able to control him?
I think that in some ways they are similar personalities. For whatever reason, they bonded from the get-go and I think that gave them a special bond where he listens to her because he's possessive of her/their friendship. He's willing to listen to her because she seems to be his only true friend.
3. When Henry proposes to Elizabeth, she immediately begins to worry whether she can be the wife he needs. But she decides to send him to Victor to ask for his blessing. She figures there can be two outcomes - one Victor will return to her and ask her to marry him, or two Victor will give his blessing and she can marry Henry. This “plot” comes from feeling desperate to belong and the fear of not being needed by the Frankenstein’s anymore. What would you do if you felt that way?
To truly put myself in her shoes, I would have to consider the time in which Elizabeth lived. I would probably do the same thing she did to ensure a marriage and having a man to take care of me. Today, however, I would not do such a thing. I'd marry out of love and know that I can provide for myself.
4. When Elizabeth burns down the house that Victor was using for his experiments, she hears a large splash in the river. Who do you think it was fleeing the burning building? Do you think it’s the same man Elizabeth saw out her window at the boarding house and out of her carriage? Or do you think her mind is playing tricks on her?
No, I don't think her mind is playing tricks on her. But I'm not sure who it was that she saw. It's possible it was the same man.
5. Re-tellings are now one of my favorite new genres. Do you like this retelling of the Frankenstein story so far? What other re-tellings have you read that you really liked?
I love this book so far. My favorite re-tellings are A Court of Thorns and Roses, Hag-Seed, and Scarlet.
Will the deadline still be 1:00 PST?
I am supposed to be buddy reading Scythe but the other person hasn't begun it yet and sadly her mother passed away last night. So I went ahead and started The Descent of Elizabeth Frankenstein. I think it'll probably give us more points. I really hate for this to end. We have had such good camaraderie on this team and we've all been so supportive. That doesn't happen on all teams.
I seriously hope to be on teams with you guys/gals again!
