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May 06, 2020 12:20PM

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Also, an inkwell is not a pen storage device.
Sorry, pet peeve.



Two out of three have been uploaded, but it takes some hours (at least) for all the bits and pieces -- such as the "Look Inside" feature -- to seep through the systems even after that. (Kindle usually runs later.)
It will all get there in the end. (And then the speed readers will blast through 5 months of my work in less than an hour, and wonder where the next is. I shall direct them on to other writers, I think.) The story is around 42,000 words, for anyone wondering about such stats.
Back in ye olden days, when vendors were still bothering to have live human beings vet entries before they went up, it used to take 3 or 4 weeks even for ebooks. Paper publishing, typically a year. How quickly the miraculous become the expected norm...
Good day for a walk outdoors, which I should go do.
Ta, L.

Yeah, I've been wondering for some time what to call the thing when actual metal-nubbed pens come onstage. (Which they probably already have, in the techier parts of the 5GU.) I suspect "dip pens" only became a term once other more advanced sorts like fountain pens were invented. The clash with my main character's name could get awkward. And I'm not changing that...
Ta, L.


Nothing yet on Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk - I didn't get the Vionic, I did get books about physicians on .co.uk and herbal products including "Moon Juice" on .com. One lives and learns.


I've just bought a copy myself, as I usually do, to check if everything came out all right on the far end of this python.
When we get links from the other two vendors, in due course, I'll set up my usual spoiler-discussion-space post. I have an online practice thing for SFWA that will take up a good part of this evening, but you may be sure I'll get back later on.
L.

According to Wikipedia (s.v. "dip pen"), Daniel Defoe called them steel pens, but he would have probably been talking about all-metal pens (examples of which go well back into the middle ages or even earlier). The Mitchell brothers didn't come up with their mass-produced cheap replaceable-nib-in-wooden-holder pens until a century after Defoe.
The ancient all-metal pens look very much like quill pens, so if you wanted to avoid the word "pen", you could call them "steel quills". We have no evidence that anybody called them that historically, but we're talking about a different universe, so who cares? :)
Also, just bought and finished Vilnoc. More in love with Penric than ever. I'll save further comments for the eventual spoiler thread.

Incidentally, on the subject of books taking a long time to write and being quickly read - you could draw a parallel with a cook spending hours preparing a meal and it being eaten in far less time. However you can infinitely re-read a book, but with a meal you will run out of left-overs. :D

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Doctors are obviously notoriously sloppy. Just look at their handwriting!

Well, here is the issue: not every potential reader is going to be so well-versed in the history of quill pens as to immediately recognize a strictly accurate depiction of one for what it is...that is, it needs to be recognized as a quill pen by anyone...and immediacy is what a book cover is all about. It needs to convey an impression at a glance, not necessarily be a either a puzzle for the potential reader to figure out or an historically informative document.
Besides, perhaps this is the way the physicians of Vilnoc do things. ;-)
In any case, I do have some visual precedents to fall back on...
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By the bye, the idea was not that the pen is being stored in the ink bottle, but was simply placed there during a momentary pause in the creation of the document.

Your first comment kind of underscores the point I made in another reply: You didn't notice until it was pointed out to you.

You are right. Even peacock feathers have been used as pens. Flamboyant ones, but pens nevertheless.

I know that people don't recognize quill pens unless they're feathery, but the usual compromise on that is to strip the fletching off only partway - enough so that there's several inches of smooth pen to hold, but leaving the identifying bits, as it were. That's what Woodforde did in that painting of a boy writing a letter. Actual scribes tend to leave less of the fletching, but we do sometimes leave a little tuft for brushing off pounce or sand.
(The feathers, ahem, sorry, quill pens in the photograph you linked to were clearly not meant for actual use. The bottom one won't even fit in an ink bottle, never mind leave room for one's hand.)
I do like how you've used every available weighty object to try to get the @#$%@# parchment to LAY FLAT ALREADY. Been there, done that, will probably need to do it again. :)

You are absolutely correct about the reason for the objects sitting on the parchment! There would have been one or two more things, but that would have wound up making the picture much too busy and fussy. The main thing was to get the right impression across...which apparently was successful I am glad to learn!
I am not going to worry over-much about the pen. Woodforde was, of course, painting in an age when such a pen was a more or less commonplace and familiar object but there are, I suspect, vanishingly few people today who would notice any small inaccuracies. (As I mentioned in an earlier post, a cover "...needs to convey an impression at a glance, not necessarily be...an historically informative document.") It's a little like, I suppose, all of the astronomical mistakes made in "2001," which annoy me personally but don't subtract in the slightest from the import of the movie...let alone be noticed by 99.99% of its audience.
Now, if I'd put a fountain pen on the cover or a Bic, there would certainly be some cause for pointing a finger and going tsk tsk! ;-)
Besides, maybe the physicians of Vilnoc have been getting their pens from the lowest bidder.

Apologies for asking, since I know this process is up to the vendor, just keen to read the rest of the story after the sneak peek!

Apologies for asking, since I know this process is up to the vendor, just keen to read the rest of the st..."
Alas, I have no idea. Or control.
It's possible the corrected edition may be along before the first version even goes up. If I don't get any more typos reported by tomorrow morning, I'm sending in the current list to my e-helper.
And then, as Gregor says, we'll see what happens.
Ta, L.