Fifty Shades of Grey
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dont like it ..dont read it
i just looked at it, its not my typical kind of read, but ill give it a shot and atleast spread the word :) every bit helps My brother is also an up in comming Author so i know what he goes thru and Marketing is one of the biggest things So im glad to help spread the word
Jenna wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "As an author with a small publisher, I have to rely on self promotion to get my book out to the public. I was curious as to the success of Fifty Shades so I began to read it. In a..."LOL. I lived and worked in Juarez, Mexico until September of last year. The Plaza is a fictional account of the very real events in Juarez, a territory that has been viciously fought over since 2007 by the Juarez and Sinaloa cartels. It is largely based on the death of a crime reporter that was a true hero and is representative of the many victims of the drug war in Mexico that are in no way directly related to the cartels but have been written off as colateral damage by the government.
Kris wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "As an author with a small publisher, I have to rely on self promotion to get my book out to the public. I was curious as to the success of Fifty Shades so I began to read it. In a...";)
Jenna wrote: "i just looked at it, its not my typical kind of read, but ill give it a shot and atleast spread the word :) every bit helps My brother is also an up in comming Author so i know what he goes thru an..."Thanks. I truly appreciate that.
Kris wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "As an author with a small publisher, I have to rely on self promotion to get my book out to the public. I was curious as to the success of Fifty Shades so I began to read it. In a..."Plus I nearly got myself killed in the process of writing it, so that has to account for something. Thanks Kris.
Guillermo wrote: "Kris wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "As an author with a small publisher, I have to rely on self promotion to get my book out to the public. I was curious as to the success of Fifty Shades so I began to ..."See, most readers have no clue as to what authors go through during the writing/marketing process...best of luck!
found this really cool site you guys might like it keeps track of book releases of the series u like www.fictfact.com im lookin at it now i dunno if i like it as much as good reads but i thought worth checking out and figured id share its pretty much the same as good reads so i dunno
Ellie wrote: "in Cold Blood"Yes I did and yes it was scary. Truman Capote was actually related to me on my mother's side.
Jenna wrote: "found this really cool site you guys might like it keeps track of book releases of the series u like www.fictfact.com im lookin at it now i dunno if i like it as much as good reads but i thought wo..."Really cool, thanks Jenna!
Kris wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "Kris wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "As an author with a small publisher, I have to rely on self promotion to get my book out to the public. I was curious as to the success of Fifty Sha..."I too am a published author of two books and working on my third. It's not an easy process. I belong to a writer's asso. and have joined several critiquing groups. Our members were former editors for major newspapers or retired educators in the literary field. We have a retired pathologist, some in law enforcement and various other fields. We read a couple of chapters and get constructive criticism before submitting to an editor. Some editors leave a lot to be desired. I learned my lesson with my first book. I found out errors happen to the best of them. Bill O'Reilly is one with Killing Lincoln. He had them redo it...of course they did because of who he was. We are not all that lucky. I've got great compassion for authors and tend to cut them some slack.
Mary wrote: "Ellie wrote: "in Cold Blood"Yes I did and yes it was scary. Truman Capote was actually related to me on my mother's side."
I bet you have some literary talent as well. Have you ever explored it? He was an amazing author.
Ellie wrote: "Kris wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "Kris wrote: "Guillermo wrote: "As an author with a small publisher, I have to rely on self promotion to get my book out to the public. I was curious as to the success..."Exactly...we tend to not think about the grueling process of writing as we are reading. So it's nice to be reminded. Im an artist and much time goes into my work, which I put out there and hope for the best, but expect anything. So I can somewhat relate. Best of luck to you, as well, with your writing!
Ellie wrote: "Mary wrote: "Ellie wrote: "in Cold Blood"Yes I did and yes it was scary. Truman Capote was actually related to me on my mother's side."
I bet you have some literary talent as well. Have you eve..."
I have about 15 books in various degrees of completion. ;0)
Good for you! I discovered a love for writing when I retired. It was always on my bucket list. I've written two murder mysteries. My 3rd book is a romance/drama. I'm on the last chapter. A friend of mine is a retired teacher. She's an English major and is helping me with the first editing process.
Ellie wrote: "Ellie Good for you! I discovered a love for writing when I retired. It was always on my bucket list. I've written to murder mysteries. My 3rd book is a romance/drama. I'm on the last chapter. A friend of mine is a retired teacher. She's an English major and is helping me with the first editing process. "I write for a living (technical grant writing), so I am always putting words to "paper." My problem is when I am writing, I am not reading and I have a hard time choosing which one I want to do. So...I read a little and write a little. ;0)
Pamela wrote: "Karen wrote: "I'm all for criticism where it is due, but I don't think your remarks will be well received if you didn't even read the book. "Oh interesting point. I actually share the same opinio..."
I hate putting down a book, but I will if I find it truly awful. There are too many good books and too little of my time to waste on something I am not enjoying. And I don't put down books often, I actually enjoy most books that I read, my husband often acuses me of falling in love with every book I read. Obviously this was not the case with this one. LOL
On the rare occassion I do put down a book I generally have atleast slogged it out to halfway. I tend to think that halfway is a fair go on a book. If it hasn't got me by then, it is unlikely that I will enjoy the end, or atleast I am not interested in the end.
In the case of 50 shades I read all of the first book and about half of the second before I had to give it up. It was painful read for me, and I had much rather read something I enjoy.
I don't think there has to be a minimum amount someone reads from a book, but they should be honest about their progress and why they gave it up if they are going to be critical. For example, if someone said to me that I couldn't get past page three because there were two many typos and it drove me crazy, I think that is legitimate. If they said to me I couldn't get past page 3 because the story is boring, I would say that this was an unfair critism because they hadn't really tried. :D
i just read on another Thread someone called EL James a creative Genius now....as u all know i think the writting is terrible..i did like the story line but to call her a Creative Genius is just an insult to better well known authors
B3cs wrote: "On the rare occasion I do put down a book I generally have at least slogged it out to halfway. I tend to think that halfway is a fair go on a book. If it hasn't got me by then, it is unlikely that I will enjoy the end, or at least I am not interested in the end. "I generally give the author half of the book to hook me too. If I am not hooked by then, I probably will never be. Most of the time I just finish the book though.
Mary wrote: "B3cs wrote: "On the rare occasion I do put down a book I generally have at least slogged it out to halfway. I tend to think that halfway is a fair go on a book. If it hasn't got me by then, it is u..."i agree with both ur comments and im the same way i finish the book anyways even if i dont like it
B3cs wrote: " don't think there has to be a minimum amount someone reads from a book, but they should be honest about their progress and why they gave it up if they are going to be critical.."I completely agree with you.
not miley cryus how about keri knightly for ana she beautiful and smart and im sure she can be shy and she shows emotions.
well ive read 2 books where the guys were crazy this one and twilight, and considering this one is a fan fic of twilight it doesnt surprise me the main guy is crazy but ive never read another book where the guy was that way...and even so still not the reason i didnt like it. And its not the controling side that girls like. Girls like to be the center of the guys attention. They want a guy to treat them like they are special and the only one, and do and say sweet things even the few Halrequins ive read wasnt about an over obssesive guy so i dunno where ur commin from.
There is a different tone to obsessively in love (where you love the woman want her near and don't want anything bad to happen to her) and what I will call socio-stalkeriffic (which is the complete opposite of the first).
If anyone is interested in the music score to FSOG, go to Youtube and put it on favorite. The classical music is beautiful, some of my favorite.There's another song, Snow Patrol, What If This Storm Ends, it's great! I'd never heard of this group, but the song fits.
Nallux wrote: "Yeah, I don't know what I meant. I guess...there are books where the MCs have a relationship much like this one - okay there's no contract but you get the point. The guy is all powerful and successful and grand while the lady is a little weak and needy. And the guy uses all of his grandness and powers to take over everything so that the lady would fall for him, stick with him and never ever run away. In a way it's like damsel in distress, just the extreme version. I never realized it before I read this book and really started thinking what it is people really don't like in this."
See...I would view this a book not of a damsel in distress, but a man in distress. Christian does not save Ana. She saves him. Despite all of his wealth and power, he is not happy. He might think of himself as her knight in shining armor, but as weak as she is portrayed, the emotional strength is hers.
Mary wrote: "See...I would view this a book not of a damsel in distress, but a man in distress. Christian does not save Ana. She saves him."Mary,
Brilliant summation :)
Karen wrote: "Mary wrote: "See...I would view this a book not of a damsel in distress, but a man in distress. Christian does not save Ana. She saves him."Mary,
Brilliant summation :)"
I agree!
See...I would view this a book not of a damsel in distress, but a man in distress. Christian does not save Ana. She saves him. Despite all of his wealth and power, he is not happy. He might think of himself as her knight in shining armor, but as weak as she is portrayed, the emotional strength is hers.Agreed. The set up here is more similar in some ways to "Pretty Woman" - where Julia Roberts character saves the lonely isolated mogul (Richard Gere) than it is to Twilight and various other romances where the wealthy guy saves the lonely isolated girl.
Also Ana doesn't strike me as a damsel. For one thing, he never saves her, she saves him or his family. Or she saves herself. And she holds her own throughout the books, never really capitulating to him.
This is quite different than most of the erotica fiction that I've read and quite a few historicals.
I remember getting excited when Ana kicked her sleazy editor in the balls when he attempted to rape her. (I've been waiting for a heroine to do that forever.
Finally...a romance novelist handles it right! Thank you!) And I rather liked how she handled crazy Leia, not to mention the fact that she shot Jack to protect herself. Ana was tough.
Where's the damsel behavior? Not seeing it.
In the other novels I read, the woman was either raped (often in the past) or the hero saved her at the last minute. Sylvia Day's Bared to You and Nora Roberts Sweet Revenge are examples.
This book felt different because it was erotica, but with a strong female character who was not experienced with sex (usually they are or they aren't strong in many of the contemporary erotica novels that I've read), and it contained no rape. She's never raped. And when someone attempts it or tries to hurt her - she fights back.
*When Christian beats her? She leaves him.
* When Jack tries to rape her? She kicks him the balls.
* When Jack attacks her - she shoots him.
* When her step-father caused her problems in the past, she fought back and left the situation to live with Ray.
When she doesn't like what Christian does? She tells him. She doesn't brood about it forever. Very rare in a romance novel. Often the characters never talk and just continue to misunderstand each other. Here? They talk.
Christine wrote: "When she doesn't like what Christian does? She tells him. She doesn't brood about it forever. Very rare in a romance novel. Often the characters never talk and just continue to misunderstand each other. Here? They talk. All great points Christine. I also like the Pretty Woman reference (even though they are opposite ends of the spectrum on sexual experience).
Synesthesia wrote: "I don't care if there's sex in it. I'm more annoyed over bad writing and yet another book encouraging women to run off with jerks.I refuse to read it."
It's not encouraging women to go off with jerks actually.. if you actually read the book you might understand, he may be stern about things but he was brought up with anger issues and he finds a way to cope and falls inlove and if you read the book she is the one that wants him to touch her like that. This book is mainly about their love for eachother than the sex. FYI.....
I also like the Pretty Woman reference (even though they are opposite ends of the spectrum on sexual experience). Pretty Woman didn't occur to me...until my mother read it. (She only made it through to book 2). While opposite spectrums on the sexual experience, she said the set-up was similar. Where you have the rich/isolated guy...who falls for this gal, and buys her clothes, tells her that he doesn't want a commitment, doesn't want love - just sex. A sexual contract. And she wins him over and saves him.
It's a definite trope. Not everyone likes it though.
A lot of my friends hate Pretty Woman with a passion.
And really despise that specific trope.
50 Shades like a lot of genre novels hits peoples buttons one way or the other. It either turns them on or really offends them.
Mary wrote: "Nallux wrote: "Yeah, I don't know what I meant. I guess...there are books where the MCs have a relationship much like this one - okay there's no contract but you get the point. The guy is all power..."I agree
I never though of the Pretty Woman parallel, but that does make sense.
My opinion on these books, I love them!! Yes there is sex involved, dominiering characteristics, but honestly you can not tell me you havent watched a movie with the same characteristics or had that kind of experience in your own bedroom. Honestly if you actually read the book you will realize its more about the love story than anything. He is closed off, she is unexperienced and they fall inlove. It's moving, sexy, and entertaining as hell!! The man is protraid as a bad man at the beginning because no one likes a controling man, but then you realize he is just like that because of his past and you fall inlove with him. He is better than a lot of men in this world I have met. So dont knock it until you read it. FYI To all you people afraid of a little sex story, Its natural, maybe you should have more of it...
I agree, great Pretty Woman comparison. Never thought of it before but totally see it. (Of course- roles reversed on the prostitute;)
Samiam wrote: "My opinion on these books, I love them!! Yes there is sex involved, dominiering characteristics, but honestly you can not tell me you havent watched a movie with the same characteristics or had tha..."I concur completely!
Samiam wrote: "My opinion on these books, I love them!! Yes there is sex involved, dominiering characteristics, but honestly you can not tell me you havent watched a movie with the same characteristics or had tha..."Or numerous television serials...Dallas comes to mind, as do soap operas, reality shows, comic books, etc.
It's not an uncommon trope or anything..and certainly not limited to the romance genre. I've seen it in sci-fi and noir fiction.
Kris wrote: "I agree, great Pretty Woman comparison. Never thought of it before but totally see it. (Of course- roles reversed on the prostitute;)"same here good comparison :)
it's a book who cares we all know it's a book with lots of sex in it but unless you have read it you dont have a right to comment about it and if you have read it then dont put people of reading tne book because we all have diffrent tastes
Abigail wrote: "it's a book who cares we all know it's a book with lots of sex in it but unless you have read it you dont have a right to comment about it and if you have read it then dont put people of reading tn..."Yeah! What she said! ;-)
I did end up skipping over several of the sex scenes based on the fact that they were so repetitive. I can see how some people assume this book is just all about sex sex sex... but if you read all of the books and you actually follow the story... it's clear that the sex is an intricate part of the story. The whole point of it is that there's this poor man who was severely messed up as a kid, which unfortunately happens to a lot of people... and it's messed up his view on sex and women... and thanks to this wonderful woman he has found he's got a second chance in life. He learns how to love and be loved without any of the damaging issues that he's associated it with so far. It's actually a beautiful story and I feel kinda bad for anyone who just automatically assumes it is porn and doesn't give it a chance. I loved these books. Who wouldn't love a story about true love conquering all and someone who is hurting and damaged finally getting the chance to heal and be loved?
Barbra wrote: "I did end up skipping over several of the sex scenes based on the fact that they were so repetitive. I can see how some people assume this book is just all about sex sex sex... but if you read all..." Well said, Barbra!
Ellie wrote: "Karen wrote: "Mary wrote: "See...I would view this a book not of a damsel in distress, but a man in distress. Christian does not save Ana. She saves him."Mary,
Brilliant summation :)"
I agree!"
Thank BOTH of you!
Abigail wrote: "it's a book who cares we all know it's a book with lots of sex in it but unless you have read it you dont have a right to comment about it and if you have read it then dont put people of reading tn..."I think that people can say they did not like the writing enough to continue with the book. However, when people start stating that Christian is an abusive jerk who is controlling Ana and that is not a good message to send to young impressionable girls, it is obvious to me they have not read all of the books. If you want to discuss the themes and issues in the books, you need to read them.
Mary wrote: "Abigail wrote: "it's a book who cares we all know it's a book with lots of sex in it but unless you have read it you dont have a right to comment about it and if you have read it then dont put peop..."THANK YOU!
Barbra wrote: "I did end up skipping over several of the sex scenes based on the fact that they were so repetitive. I can see how some people assume this book is just all about sex sex sex... but if you read all..."Why skip over the sex scenes? It describes how intimate they are together and how gentle he is with her, but still gives her what she wants. its one of the most key parts
Samiam wrote: "Barbra wrote: "I did end up skipping over several of the sex scenes based on the fact that they were so repetitive. I can see how some people assume this book is just all about sex sex sex... but ..."Barbra, you're so right on your take.
I spoke to several ladies today and we all agree. It's not about porn and why it's reported this way, is puzzling.
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Haha...that was a very good point, actually. I think, by this point, a lot of people are reading out of curiosity. Whether good or bad reviews, the fact is- it's getting A LOT of attention. That's what a book needs for success. I'll have to look into this "forbidden", no good for ya, Plaza... Lol