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How did the White Witch give Edmund Turkish Delight if there is no Turkey in Narnia?
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There is no turkey in Turkish Delight. It's a candy.
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Well, this is a bit late to comment - like more than 2 years, but perhaps someone out there would like to continue this thread?Anyway, for years I wanted to know what Turkish delight was, and finally found out. It is almost like a treat made in California called "Applets" and "Cotletts", a sort of Gummi concoction made of dried fruit and gelatin and covered with powdered sugar. They are actually quite good, but amazingly non-filling. It sort of melts on your tongue and so one wants "more" Obviously Lewis had eaten this candy and came to the same conclusion; so it makes a brilliant example. And of course because it did not satisfy he, (Edmund), thought "more" would satisfy.
Rather like people who are constantly rushing after non-satisfying experiences: instead of trying to find something more satisfying, or going about it in a different way they keep on going after the "Turkish Delight" determined that it will make them satisfied somehow.
Makes one think of the adage that if something doesn't work the first time why would you think that doing the same thing over in the same manner would ever work? But that is the essence of addiction for you; it is, bottom line, self deceiving.
There's talking animals, Santa Claus, goat-men, and it's located in a wardrobe and you're worried about how a WITCH makes Turkish Delights?!?!
There is no Turkey in Turkish Delight
Alexandra wrote: "There is no Turkey in Turkish Delight"Sad but true for those of you who thought you had finally found a new "leftover" dish for Thanksgiving...
The series is supposed to be a Christian allegory on a certain level. In that sense, the White Witch represents the devil, and thus is seemingly capable of fulfilling mankind's desires. So, she is able to produce Turkish Delight based on Edmund's fleshly cravings.
At first I thought the person meant Turkey, the country....Which isn't in Narnia. But yeah, Turkish delight is a jelly candy covered in sugar. Has nothing to do with meat.
How amazing that a Sweet could cause such an outpouring of comments!!
LOL Penny, it is also amazing that people cannot read a book simply for the pleasure of reading it, but have to..."This is what society has become....
LOL Penny, it is also amazing that people cannot read a book simply for the pleasure of reading it, but have to..."This is what society has become....
Frenchie wrote: "Penny wrote: "How amazing that a Sweet could cause such an outpouring of comments!!"LOL Penny, it is also amazing that people cannot read a book simply for the pleasure of reading it, but have to..."
Your so right there Frenchie, I feel the same way. Just enjoy the story.
Well, just to play devil's advocate, if we all just read and enjoyed it we wouldn't need a discussion forum;)
YOU know what? Turkish Delight is not made out of turckey !!!!(you knew that,right?)
Turckish Delight is chocolate with yummy very gooey jelly inside.
Where in the world did you find that sort of sweet? Number 1 Turkish Delight (note spelling) has been around in Europe and the far east long before chocolate was imported.That being said, Chocolate Turkish Delight sounds rather good!
Chocolate Turkish Delight is disgusting stuff, covered in chocolate because one of the chocolate companies thought it would be a good idea! Real Turkish delight is made with sugar and cornflour and flavourings and is delicious!!!
(Strangely enough, there was a girl on the television making it at the weekend!!)
The presence of the object is a different issue from the use of the name. Regarding the name - all writing is in translation to some degree. Many words used in fiction will have roots or references in our world that have no place in the world of the book. The reader, narrator, or character will refer to an object with whatever word fits the telling of the story, rather than the world in which it takes place.
As for the object, that has been well covered in the discussion - the object has it's roots in the desire.
The White Witch visited our world in the first book in the Narnia series The Magicians Nephew, so she probalby learnt about Turkish delight then
Turkish delight is a candy made of syrup and cornflour.
If the desire was in Edmund's mind, perhaps the presence of Turkish Delight in Narnia points to Lewis' thought that the idea of something is more powerful and real than the physical manifestation of that same thing? Platonic form?
Penny wrote: "Chocolate Turkish Delight is disgusting stuff, covered in chocolate because one of the chocolate companies thought it would be a good idea! Real Turkish delight is made with sugar and cornflour an..."
I'll have to google it!(How to make your own Turkish Delight.)
Strange to think there is something chocolate can't make better. Go figure.
I can't believe this thing is still being discussed.I mean,the one to post the question is nowhere and thats mainly because she GOT the answer.
Do you mean the bird turkey of the country Turkey?
Farheen wrote: "I can't believe this thing is still being discussed.I mean,the one to post the question is nowhere and that's mainly because she GOT the answer."LOL! I think part of the answer is people come onto the posts at different times; sometimes weeks or even months after the topic is first posted. I know I just discovered the Goodread posts so I'm a lot later than some others.
That being said...maybe some of us are a tad, uh, retentive?
For those who have not tasted Turkish Delight, the Turkish name for it is, I believe, rahat lokum. Recipes can be found under that name.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHA I started laughing at the title :) You just made my day!
While reading the book to my son this summer, he wanted to know what Turkish delight tastes like. And we happened to stopover in an Eastern European airport where I was able to buy a box for him (I had tried it in the past). He liked it all right, but it didn't become an instant favorite. I agree. I'd say chocolate is better!
I think she used her magic
I believe it was Edmund who suggested the treat. So I guess in this situation the Witch who can create anything one might desire did it even if there was no Turkey on the Narnian "map."
deleted user wrote: "There's no turkey in Turkish Delighthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_..."
Is there Arabia in Narnia?
If we follow this reasoning, we can also ask why do the narnians speak english if there is no England in Narnia?
She went to England in the first book by mistake, so she could have learned about it there.
Magic! It's as simple as that.
My Grandma once bought me Turkish Delight from her trip to Turkey, it wasn't bad, but I wouldn't have been seduced by it. Though admittedly Gran did by the cheap stuff for tourists and Edmund loved them, and the White Witch's were MAGIC!
Hun, Turkish Delight is a Turkish candy. Which I am forever thwarted! When I was a kid I literally brainwashed myself with the Chronicles of Narnia. This is how it went every day starting from about the age of one.
Mom: So what do you want to watch today, Lisa?
Me in my highchair eating spaghetti: Lion, Wordrube.
Everyday starting from the age of two
Mom: Pick a bedtime story?
Me : Lion itch wurdrub.
Five years go by and my Mom has the easiest job in the world because she doesn't have to guess what I want. She's got the routine down. Play any of the three Chronicles of Narnia movies and pick any of the seven Narnia books at bedtime.
The only food I ever wanted my entire childhood was Turkish Delight.
Look at the pretty silvery box and squishy powder, yes it must be delightful.
I'm a child. I have no other aspirations besides drawing myself a vine covered door portal into Middle Earth and tasting Turkish Delight.
Finally, age nine my childhood aspirations are recognized and my mom just happens to have a coworker who visits Turkey regularly. When my mom tells me this I look at her with all my childhood brainwashed audacity and say, "She will bring me Turkish Delight!" Because somehow as a child I had figured out the snack came from Turkey. Anyway my mom says, "I'll ask her I'm sure she'd be happy to." My obsessive child brain thought of nothing else for days. Through boring math problems and chapel services all that kept me holding on was my Narnian epicurean tastes. Teachers tried to have conversations with me. All they got was a garbled weird story about the Chronicles of Narnia, Turkey and my mom's job.
Unfortunately when you are a kid time doesn't flow right and nothing adults say makes any sense. All I know is that I never tasted Turkish Delight. My mom probably gave me some adult level explanation as to why she couldn't procure it. I don't remember what happened. I probably was in denial and blocked out the memory. Later that year her coworker from Turkey hosted a work party at her house.
Mom : Get ready, we are going to visit Fussen.
Me: Turkish Delight Lady!!!!
Mom: Oh...yeah but don't call her that. Her name is Fussen
Me: Fusion ...okay got it.
So the party was awesome and there were lots of people, food, hammocks and ducks. There was no Turkish Delight at that party.
I am forever thwarted! Now I realize that I am actually an adult and I can probably just order myself some off of Amazon. I think I will and I think I will watch the Lion Itch Wurdube while I eat it.
Rachel wrote: "Turckish Delight is chocolate with yummy very gooey jelly inside."And nuts and powdered sugar. I only didn't like it because I don't like nuts.
Edmund knew what it was, and the White Witch, used that to conjure it up? It does make sense that she wouldn't know what it was, as she was only in England for a very short time, but do remember this is in a purely fictional world that he didn't spend all that much time creating. If you want it to all match up perfectly with an answer to everything go read Tolkien. Lewis was writing for kids.
Sophie wrote: "Edmund knew what it was, and the White Witch, used that to conjure it up? It does make sense that she wouldn't know what it was, as she was only in England for a very short time, but do remember th..."I do agree with the first part. Actually, C. S. Lewis put so much detail into Narnia. And I do not agree with people who say he was writing for kids, because there is a lot deep meaning in The Chronicles of Narnia that are between the lines.
Sophie wrote: "Edmund knew what it was, and the White Witch, used that to conjure it up? It does make sense that she wouldn't know what it was, as she was only in England for a very short time, but do remember th..."It may have been written in a format for children but the themes are anything but childlike. For instance most people don't know that the seven Narnia books are based on the seven gods from Greek cosmology and each book represents a different nature of one of the seven gods. Lewis is actually writing for all ages and succeeded in communicating incredibly complex themes dealing with Hermeticism in the disguise and package of a children's book.
Seven is the sacred number and both Lewis and Rowling follow this sequential pattern. I grew up reading the Narnia books religiously and watching the BBC productions on repeat to the annoyance of everyone around me. Now as an adult somehow I have graduated into studying Hermeticism only to look back and realize Lewis had actually purposefully put me on that path. Then Rowling rounded me off when I was eleven or so. Tolkien was also in cahoots because many people are under the mistaken impression that because Tolkien studied Norse mythology that most of his names stop at their Norse interpretations of the word. For instance I was quite shocked to realize while studying Hermeticism that there is spiritual concept termed "The Middle Earth" and that Tolkien was also communicating Hermetic spiritual principles through his work to me when I was still a very young child.
Turkish delight is not made out of Turkey. As you can see Turkey is in caps and this is a clue to it being a country. Turkish delight is a dessert made in Turkey and is sold in many different countries but rare to find. The witch may have conjured it to prove that anything is possible in Narnia or she might have tried to trick them into thinking anything is possible by her. It has been so long since I have read the book so I might just be blurting nonsense about the witch.
ϮAʛʛⅇℛʊℵʛ {Supernatural Freak} wrote: "Well, I think her magic works on desire. Because Edmund knew specifically what he wanted, I think it allowed her magic to be able to produce it. Plus, he couldn't stop desiring the enchanted Turkis..."That definitely works, and she's a witch right, so she probably knew his weakness even if she didn't know about Turkey! ; )
I think she was able to conjure whatever Edmund desired and he desired Turkish delight. Her magic enabled her to do so I am guessing.
Maybe the author just really likes the country Turkey. I mean Aslan (the lions name ) means lion in Turkish. Turkish Delight comes from Turkey.
This made me laugh. Turkish Delight is a dessert, right?
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