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Something People Have Never Really Noticed About Edward
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Okay first off, I just wanted to say that, yes, I do like Twilight. There I said it. I'm a bit embarrassed, but hey, I like what I like. Anyway, the thing you may not have noticed about Edward is that HE IS A FREAKING STALKER. And don't tell me he isn't. I mean he breaks into her room at night and just watches her sleep. And I swear if anyone says that when Edward does that it's romantic, I'm going to explode. JK, but still, it's going to be kinda wierd.
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That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker
Why are you embarrassed to like this book? But yes, the vampire is creepy. In a way he is romantic but the only thing that sets my teeth on edge is when he watches Bella sleep.
I completely agree. It skeeved me to no end when i read Midnight Sun and realized how hardcore a stalked Edward really turned out to be. At first, i admit, that i thought the gesture was cute (when he admitted to watching her sleep), but when reading that be was always following her made me think of restraining orders. Not that it didn't come in handy, what with the creepy dudes cornering her in an alley. Oh and - TEAM JACOB! xD
Um, I know this is going to sound wierd because I just wrote the whole, Edwards a stalker thing, but I'm team Edward. Yes, Edward is a stalker in the first book, but Bella doesn't really love Jacob. Plus in the second book Jacob lies to Edward, makeing it seem like Bella is dead when she isn't. I mean if you really love someone you'll let them choose who they want to be with, without your sabotage. So, that's basically all I have to say for now, but just for future reference, people who are going to comment, please don't start turn this into a discussion on who we like better because, there are whole other discussions on goodreads to do that. Also um Danielle the reason I'm embarrassed of this book is because even though i like it, if i think about it objectively I see that it isn't really good. Plus I'm saying I like a book about sparkly vampires. That's not exactly something I like to tell everyone.
Oh no it's well noticedThis book has an essay on it
lool Shanna! you sound so matter of fact, lmao!
Shanna wrote: "Oh no it's well noticedThis book has an essay on it
"lool Shanna! you sound so matter of fact, lmao!
haha, actually, I've heard the whole Edward is a stalker, thing, many times.However, I disagree.
Sure, on the surface, Edward's actions are very creepy and stalkerish, for your average Joe - or Ed, haha
But Edward isn't the average guy, he's a vampire.
A big part of "stalking" is motivation. Generally a stalker is pretty dang obsessed. They may call it love, but it's obsession, plain and simple. They aren't concerned for what's best for the person they're stalking.
Now, was Edward obsessed? Sure, in human terms, he sure seemed to be. But again, he's not a human.
In this particular vampire world, when a vampire meets their "soul mate", they know it instantly.
So, for the human in Edward's position - having met Bella and then showed up outside her window a week later to watch her sleep - that's creepy and makes him a stalker. For the vampire, it's still pretty creepy to us, but it's an act of love on Edward's part. Because the second he met her, and wasn't consumed with irresistible, maddening blood-lust, he was completely and utterly in love with her.
It's no more creepy for him to watch her sleep, in the vampire world, than it is for a husband to watch his wife sleep, in the human world.
If you wake up and find your husband watching you sleep, sure, it might be strange, but your overall impression is not, 'boy this guy is a creepy stalker', it's more of , 'aww, that's sweet. Weird, but sweet'. Because you know he loves you.
Also, Edward's motivation is not just to hang out and watch this girl he loves because he just can't get enough.
Yeah, I'm sure that was part of it, but his overall reasons for doing this, is to protect her.
If you've read Midnight Sun, you know that Jasper and some of the others first reaction was to want Bella dead because they thought it was too risky for them to let her live.
Edward was guarding her.
Secondly, in Edward's mind, Bella is extremely fragile. A soap bubble, I think he says. And he's already seen how much more klutzy and accident prone she is than regular humans. He's scared to death something might happen to her.
So, yeah, I wouldn't really call him a stalker. I'd say he's a control freak, maybe. And still kinda creepy until she knows he's there.
Also, why are you embarrassed? You like what you like. Who cares what anyone else thinks is stupid? Everyone likes something that someone says stupid. Only the honest people admit it, lol
Rima wrote: "Shanna wrote: "Oh no it's well noticedThis book has an essay on it
"lool Shanna! you sound so mat..."
Sorry had to prioritise an argument that was devolving into violence between my 2 and 4 year old.
No the behaviour of both Edward and Jacob are called in to question by psychologists as being bad for teen aged girls. Romanticising and increasing the acceptability the controlling, stalkerish boyfriends on Edward's hand and physically abusive, controlling boyfriends on Jacob's hand.
There is plenty in the media about it, google it.
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree.
Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching her sleep, CAN be a bit... okay, a lot, creepy, I still prefer him to Jacob
Jade wrote: "Honestly, like EDward looking at her sleep is a BIG deal. so what, its not like like shes not dressed indecent or anything, right? just like talking to her....and if you read midnight sun, Edward ..."
Ok now imagine the weird boy from school who blows hot and cold with you and put him in your bedroom unbeknowst to you while you sleep and imagine he's been doing it for months....
GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching her sleep, CAN be a bit... okay, a..."
But why? He's possessive too.
agreed.!(:he's not just a stalker but also much too over
protected.>__>"
Kristen wrote: "haha, actually, I've heard the whole Edward is a stalker, thing, many times.However, I disagree.
Sure, on the surface, Edward's actions are very creepy and stalkerish, for your average Joe - or ..."
Interesting post, I've never thought about it in this manner. I never understood why Meyer would have Edward follow Bella. Meyer did it for a reason, I just could never figure out why. I just couldn't accept that a woman would write about a male stalker, it just didn't click; there has to be another answer. So, this post seems to shed a lot of light on (perhaps) why Meyer wrote it the way she did. Maybe meyer is twisted and this has nothing to do with it, but I would like to think that it's because of what you described in your post.
Edward going into her room and watching her is no different then if he had layed in bed with her and watched her FALL asleep. And he does tell her that he's doing it later in the book. It's not like he's doing anything creepy while he's there anyways.
Edward also does it for the sake of protecting Bella...
Natalie wrote: "Kristen wrote: "haha, actually, I've heard the whole Edward is a stalker, thing, many times.However, I disagree.
Sure, on the surface, Edward's actions are very creepy and stalkerish, for your a..."
Have you read Midnight Sun? It explains alot of Edward's 'stalkerish' behavior.
nothing embarrassing about liking the twilight books! I like them as well. In a way he is stalkerish. I have read midnight sun. But in a way I was like okay does he just want her that bad? That he can not let her out of his sight? I guess lol :)
Kristen wrote: "haha, actually, I've heard the whole Edward is a stalker, thing, many times.However, I disagree.
Sure, on the surface, Edward's actions are very creepy and stalkerish, for your average Joe - or ..."
Okay so, basically what your saying is that it's okay for Edward to "stalk" Bella just because he's a vampire. Try to imagine yourself in that position except that it is some other random person with the same intentions. Okay in a way I'm okay with Edward doing what he's doing, but I think it's only because it's Edward. If it was some other vampire with the same intentions I don't think we'll all fill the same way.
Okay since everyone is asking why I'm kinda embarrassed about Twilight I'm just gonna lay it out there. The Twilight series is not a well written. Yes, I'm addicted to it, but I can still see why everyone who has read and doesn't like, doesn't like it. Maybe you don't feel the same way, but I'm just saying my opinion.
I agree I find that intensely creepy.
GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching her sleep, CAN be a bit... okay, a..."
Amen, finally someone that likes Edward better than Jacob. I can't stand that werewolf/guy. I'm sure that Taylor Lautner is fine, but I have always been annoyed at Jacob for going after Bella when she only wants Edward, not Jacob. Jacob should've giving up chasing after or "stalking" after Bella since "Twilight". That's creepy.
Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching her sleep, CAN ..."
Are you kidding... I'd want a guy who could keep me warm, Edward has to adjust the blankets so Bella won't freeze.
Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching her sleep, CAN ..."
to be fair, though, bella totally intentionally led jacob on, like half-way through the first book...
Kirby wrote: "Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching ..."
Jacob saved her, and she just ran into Edward's arms again without thanking Jacob. I understand that Bella made her choice, but she did use Jacob, quite a lot.
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking..."
Agreed! She did use Jacob a lot. She was just a bit selfish really and didn't understand she was confusing him with her mixed messages.
Amanda wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I ..."
Yes. Bella is one of the dullest characters in the Saga, Lol
We like all basically know who Bella ends up with so there's no need to take sides, and obviously she would choose Edward who she really loves. jacb is like a brother to her not a boyfriend.
edward is a stalker. i began to realize that when the movies came out. every time you looked up, he is right there
Book Worm wrote: "Kristen wrote: "haha, actually, I've heard the whole Edward is a stalker, thing, many times.However, I disagree.
Sure, on the surface, Edward's actions are very creepy and stalkerish, for you..."
Ok, well if we're playing the hypothetical game where I imagine that it was me in Bella's place.
I'm gonna go with, yeah, I'd want a vampire who's in love with me to 'stalk' me in order to make sure the other vampires who are not in love with me and want me dead, do not come and kill me while I sleep.
Or at any time, for that matter.
I never said his actions weren't slightly creepy. I said they were. I just don't consider it stalking because his motivation was to protect her from the supernatural.
He's not hiding in the bushes and ducking down if she sees him, or taking pictures for a shrine at home. He's keeping an eye on her and then is pretty open with her about it. He would have stayed away if she'd asked him to. A stalker would not.
Book Worm wrote: "Okay since everyone is asking why I'm kinda embarrassed about Twilight I'm just gonna lay it out there. The Twilight series is not a well written. Yes, I'm addicted to it, but I can still see why e..."Yeah, but entertainment isn't about perfect grammar and structure. It's about enjoyment.
Most songs that people like aren't "well written", but we like them anyway because they're fun or pretty or whatever.
Book Worm wrote: "Okay first off, I just wanted to say that, yes, I do like Twilight. There I said it. I'm a bit embarrassed, but hey, I like what I like. Anyway, the thing you may not have noticed about Edward is t..."That's why I hated Midnight Sun, it made him seem like a creep, when in Bella's version, he was all mysterious. Which is one of the reasons why I liked him so much in the first place.
Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching her sleep, CAN ..."
I didn't like Jacob much either. I mean, he was an alright character, but I just thought he was annoying and clingy, hanging on to something that wasn't there. I know Bella realizes she loved him later too, but honestly, that felt kind of off to me. Like it was just put in there for more drama. I never got the impression that Bella felt anything for him but friendship.
But I guess I can't blame him for having a hard time getting over his feelings. I just thought he was kind of whiny.
Also, the wolf stuff kind of bored me after a while.
Even if he's a stalker, I'm still team Edward. :)
Kristen wrote: "Book Worm wrote: "Kristen wrote: "haha, actually, I've heard the whole Edward is a stalker, thing, many times.However, I disagree.
Sure, on the surface, Edward's actions are very creepy and stal..."
He could have protected her from the sidewalk being a vampire who can read minds and all, with a sister who can see the future. The entry to her bedroom for the months before she knew denied her right to consent or not.
But to the stalking question his motivation might not have been evil, wrong ect but he was invading her privacy without her consent or knowledge. So is "stalking" intent of the person or the actions taken?
Shanna wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Book Worm wrote: "Kristen wrote: "haha, actually, I've heard the whole Edward is a stalker, thing, many times.However, I disagree.
Sure, on the surface, Edward's actions are very..."
Actually, I think alot of the time he was outside in the bushes or trees or whatever. I don't honestly remember, it's been like 5 years since I read it, but I don't think he was just standing over her as she slept or with his face pressed against the glass for 8 hrs a night.
I remember in one part, he comes into the house to cover her with a blanket because she was cold and then put it back before she woke up.
Which I thought was sweet.
But he wasn't like, standing over her, drooling or anything.
Well, maybe he was drooling in vampire terms. She did smell pretty darn good to him, LOL
I agree that it was a little creepy before she knew about it. Invading her privacy...? Eh...maybe. Personally, I'd rather my privacy be invaded a little if it means saving my life.
Besides, her privacy was invaded less, if you ask me, than everyone else within a 5 mile radius of Edward. considering he read minds and all.
But as to the question about what makes a stalker, I already said, it's motivation.
Actions are justified by relationship. So if your friend or husband or whatever, takes a picture of you, it's no big deal. If some seemingly random stranger takes a picture of you, it's weird and creepy.
A stalker is a person who is obsessed with someone else. They don't love that person. A stalker does what they want, regardless of how it makes the person they are stalking feel. It's essentially all about them and what they want.
With Edward, he was only thinking about what was best for her.
Although, I agree, if he were from the beginning, he would have stayed out of her life completely, being a vampire and all. But then she'd be dead from the van, anyway, so it wouldn't really matter.
But after the initial mistake of getting involved with her, everything he does is for her. What's best for her.
I forget the lines now, since it's been so long, but he asks her if she wants him to stay away from her. And in his mind, he was almost begging her to say yes because he knew it would be dangerous for her. But the point is, he was willing to leave her alone, despite not wanting to.
And again, he loved her. It's no more creepy for a vampire in this situation to do what he did, than it is for a human husband to do something to that extent. You can't apply normal human rules to vampires.
Edward was very much a stalker, even tho it did come in handy for Bella's safety at times. But I disagree with what someone said about Edward at least being the one to give Bella choices. There's a whole book where Edward literally had Bella locked up in his house and refused to let her out or see Jacob at all. He even had Alice watch over her so she wouldn't be able to leave. Edward's got control issues.
Rachel wrote: "Edward was very much a stalker, even tho it did come in handy for Bella's safety at times. But I disagree with what someone said about Edward at least being the one to give Bella choices. There's a..."Just one more thing, it also does not deem someone's actions right 'ie...stalking, forcing her to do things' just because someone believe THEY are right in why they are doing them. That is a severe control issue. Bella has her own mind and Edward need to see that and respect that in her. She knows what is best for herself. She doens't need someone to decide that for her.
...sorry, it's a touchy issue, because I've been there.
Read "Midnight Sun" and you will see how much of a stalker he truly is. Simple as that, lol. I remember him saying in it something along the lines of "Wow, her window is squeaky. I'll have to brink some oil next time I come."
animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"Jacob is the best!
Kristen wrote: "Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalking and watching ..."
Bella was leading him on poor guy
Arlee wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Teresa wrote: "GeOrG!a :) wrote: "Susan wrote: "animaldisneyreaderfan4lyfe7 wrote: "That's why I love Jacob, he's warm, and he's not a stalker"I agree."
No, while Edward's stalki..."
Bella at least admitted to Jacob, she was using him and told him straight out she was broken over Edward. Jacob always knew where he stood. Jacob just kept hoping that would change.
Bella led Jacob on exactly one time that I can remember. After that he knew she was stuck on Edward. Jacob stubbornly held on to the hope that she'd get over it and fall for him, but he knew she wasn't anywhere near ready for that when she started coming to him in NM.
*shrugs* I love Edward , he's awesome. He wasnt being a stalker more of overprotective but everyone has their opinions
Rachel wrote: "Rachel wrote: "Edward was very much a stalker, even tho it did come in handy for Bella's safety at times. But I disagree with what someone said about Edward at least being the one to give Bella cho..."He initially gave her the choice if she wanted him in her life. And he would have respected it if she said she didn't want him there.
After that, yeah, he was still pretty controlling, but he also realized he was and changed.
Although, I have a hard time condemning him for that because he knew how dangerous the wolves could be and Bella, as usual, didn't care very much for her own safety. If it wasn't life and death, it'd be a little harder on him for being so controlling. But honestly, were I in his place, and someone I loved was going to put themselves in potentially mortal danger like it was no big thing and they didn't have to, I think I'd do what I could to prevent it too. Even if it made me seem a little controlling.
He never locked her up anywhere. He disabled her car once and had Alice babysit her, but he hardly had her chained up.
Kristen wrote: "If you wake up and find your husband watching you sleep, sure, it might be strange, but your overall impression is not, 'boy this guy is a creepy stalker', it's more of , 'aww, that's sweet. Weird, but sweet'. Because you know he loves you."No, the difference between a husband and a stalker isn't love, it's permission. It's OK for my husband to watch me sleep because I have agreed to live with him and sleep with him in the same bed.
A person can be obsessed with me and truly love me, but he would still be a stalker if what he does is uninvited by me. It doesn't matter if he's from another culture, or a vampire from this fiction or whatever, if he doesn't have my permission it's out of line. This one of the things I really hated about these books, and why I worry about so many young girls reading them - Edward is an abusive creepy stalker with no respect for Bella, but all of his actions are justified and made to seem OK. They are never OK. This is not what young girls should be looking for in a man, this is not a healthy relationship at all.
book lover wrote: "*shrugs* I love Edward , he's awesome. He wasnt being a stalker more of overprotective but everyone has their opinions"Lol, nicely put.
Rachel wrote "Bella at least admitted to Jacob, she was using him and told him straight out she was broken over Edward. Jacob always knew where he stood. Jacob just kept hoping that would change." I agree wishful thinking on his part, doesn't constitute leading on hers.
She could never have picked Jake not after seeing the Emily/Sam/Leah situation knowing she could be Leah at any moment.
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