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Ignoring my nit picking, I'll have to say the aforementioned series, specifically The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch. :)
Not only is it a fantastic story its something I think fantasy should do more often, its not about an end-of-the-world war or an evil overlord, its a bunch of young, arrogant thieves believing they are smarter and richer than anyone else. And discovering that when you push the world, the world pushes back.
:) P.S. If they've read that I'd recommend American Gods...: :D

Guy Gavriel Kay is a hugely under-appreciated author (although his books did rank high among the top 100 sf/fantasy books listed here recently), and most of his books are stand-alone. This means a recommendee can read just the one book. In fact, I would promote any of Kay's books for the S&L fantasy pick sometime.(The Lions of al-Rassan would be another good one)



For whatever it's worth, I hated Dune but LOVED Ender's Game. I think Ender's Game is much more approachable, so I think that would be one of the top I'd recommend, especially if they were new to the genre.
Oddly, though I read a lot more fantasy than science fiction (generally speaking), I'm finding it a lot harder to identify what I'd recommend of fantasy, especially for a newbie to fantasy.
For experienced readers, I think I'd have follow-on questions before making a recommendation. American Gods is a good idea, though.

Woe betide me for creating this thread and adding to my already imposing to-read list, though.


In the Sci-fi department I'll go with Dan Simmons' Hyperion ;)
EDIT: I guess I fudged a bit there ;)

That was a great fudge, though.
Seen a lot of recommendations for Hyperion of late. I only knew it before from seeing its cover in bookstores for two decades.


Wow, only one. I could think of dozens.
I will fudge slightly and choose a 5 novel series, which has a 5 novel sequel and 2 prequels.
My pick would be The Belgariad by David Eddings
I will fudge slightly and choose a 5 novel series, which has a 5 novel sequel and 2 prequels.
My pick would be The Belgariad by David Eddings




If I had a second pick, and I'm not saying I do, but if I did, it would absolutely be The Hobbit.
Ed wrote: "Mine is Gene Wolfe's 'Solar Cycle'".
I didn't realize that series was so extensive. I didn't read New Sun with the group, so that's high on my to-read list.


Great story!"
One of my favorite books of all time. This book to me is so different in the plot structure of any fantasy I have ever read. Plus I consider this to be the first book of the Legend of Drizzt. Its so much cool when the reader does not know his background.

I kind of cheated a little. The "Solar Cycle" is just what fans call it. It's really three related series: "The Book of the New Sun", "The Book of the Long Sun", and "The Book of the Short Sun". "Short Sun" brings the whole series full circle, and the way the three series all fit together is brilliant. It's a mammoth achievement in SF literature and vastly underappreciated, IMHO, but Wolfe is a love-him or hate-him kind of author. I probably should have posted in the "qualified recommendations" thread instead. If you're the kind of reader who likes a challenge and doesn't mind having to read every single word on the page (seriously, don't skim or read too quickly) and really likes to think about what you're reading and what's going on beneath the surface, then you'll love it.



This might make me some enemy's but these books dont even make my top 10, I appreciate them, and dont dislike them but to me they are a 87' volvo to the Dragon Bone Chair's 2012 corvette.

Sometimes I just want to yell it from the rooftops."
I've never tried it. Never ever ever. I figure if I can't get through the movies....
This is a great question though, and I am not sure I can just pick one. I still feel like I'm getting my footing in both genres, and agree with those that say they'd probably recommend different books to different people.
For instance, Palimpsest and A Wrinkle in Time are both incredibly meaningful to me. But this probably means I wouldn't recommend them to people who wouldn't keep them safe. :P
So, I dunno, Snow Crash?
Ed wrote: "The "Solar Cycle" is just what fans call it. It's really three related series: "The Book of the New Sun", "The Book of the Long Sun", and "The Book of the Short Sun". "Short Sun" brings the whole series full circle, and the way the three series all fit together is brilliant. It's a mammoth achievement in SF literature and vastly underappreciated, IMHO, but Wolfe is a love-him or hate-him kind of author. I probably should have posted in the "qualified recommendations" thread instead. If you're the kind of reader who likes a challenge and doesn't mind having to read every single word on the page (seriously, don't skim or read too quickly) and really likes to think about what you're reading and what's going on beneath the surface, then you'll love it."
What I read of Long Sun and Short Sun seemed lacking compared to New Sun, *BUT* I initially thought the same of the New Sun epilogue/fifth book The Urth of the New Sun, and a re-read of Urth right after the Sword & Laser New Sun run made me see many more of the connections between all the books, and I ended up really loving it. So that might happen with Long Sun and Short Sun too during an eventual re-read. But all the reasons you mention above make Book of the New Sun a qualified recommendation for me, even though it's still one of my favorites.
The 13 Clocks was my unqualified recommendation because it's just a delight to read - It's a short, quirky kid's book that can still cast a spell on adults, a modern take on the fairy tale that's funny without ironic-ing away its own magic, and it has some images and turns of phrase that have stayed with me since I first read it at age 11 or so. If you seek it out, try to get the version with Marc Simont's illustrations. Looks like Neil Gaiman's written the intro to a recent re-print, I'll have to track that down.
What I read of Long Sun and Short Sun seemed lacking compared to New Sun, *BUT* I initially thought the same of the New Sun epilogue/fifth book The Urth of the New Sun, and a re-read of Urth right after the Sword & Laser New Sun run made me see many more of the connections between all the books, and I ended up really loving it. So that might happen with Long Sun and Short Sun too during an eventual re-read. But all the reasons you mention above make Book of the New Sun a qualified recommendation for me, even though it's still one of my favorites.
The 13 Clocks was my unqualified recommendation because it's just a delight to read - It's a short, quirky kid's book that can still cast a spell on adults, a modern take on the fairy tale that's funny without ironic-ing away its own magic, and it has some images and turns of phrase that have stayed with me since I first read it at age 11 or so. If you seek it out, try to get the version with Marc Simont's illustrations. Looks like Neil Gaiman's written the intro to a recent re-print, I'll have to track that down.

Spot on.

While I'm willing to admit that parts of "Long Sun" are a little ponderous, "Short Sun" is easily the best thing that Wolfe has written in my opinion and is captivating and brilliant from start to finish. The ending is mindblowing. Unfortunately, to fully appreciate "Short Sun", one needs to read like 9 other books first ("New Sun" and "Long Sun").
Ed wrote: "While I'm willing to admit that parts of "Long Sun" are a little ponderous, "Short Sun" is easily the best thing that Wolfe has written in my opinion and is captivating and brilliant from start to finish. The ending is mindblowing. Unfortunately, to fully appreciate "Short Sun", one needs to read like 9 other books first ("New Sun" and "Long Sun"). "
Ah, ok. Well I am looking forward to a second attempt on Long Sun and Short Sun (never finished either), and am hoping I'll notice a lot more in them this time. I think re-reading Urth *immediately* after finishing Sword & Citadel made all the difference, so maybe I should do these re-reads soon, while the New Sun stuff is still sorta in my head!
Ah, ok. Well I am looking forward to a second attempt on Long Sun and Short Sun (never finished either), and am hoping I'll notice a lot more in them this time. I think re-reading Urth *immediately* after finishing Sword & Citadel made all the difference, so maybe I should do these re-reads soon, while the New Sun stuff is still sorta in my head!

I also read The Stars My Destination in one day as a kid. I wish it didn't have the rape.

The Scarlet Pimpernel meets Jane Austen in an alternate Victorian setting. Adventure, romance, secret agents in disguise, intrigue, steampunk, magic, guild secrets, alchemy, goblins and trolls and fairies in pseudo-Victorian England--my love for this book knows no bounds.
And thinking of that made me go check to see if by some chance it might have been made available for Kindle, because my paperback copy is in storage in my brother's basement across the Pacific Ocean from me, and lo, it is! For $2.99! http://www.amazon.com/Goblin-Moon-Mas... So I immediate bought it, and am now going to rush off and read it.

I always hesitate to recommend this series because it's so long and that can be daunting. It's also an acquired taste, but well worth it if you acquire it.
It weaves traditional tolkienesque swords and sorcery fantasy with elements of science fiction and draws heavily on the tradition of historical war fiction in places. Brilliant character driven plot that takes alot of what you know from other fantasy stories and gives a fresh perspective.
I've been reading it for years and I still re-read it periodically. Have fun if any of you decide to jump head first into this time consumer.

Its old and has devices seen time and again in modern fiction. If you didn't know its age you might see it as derivative. This isn't derivative, this and books like it are what great science fiction is derived from.

Dont do it. Its a great series for about 7 books and then it gets to the point where each giant volume spans a few days.

Dont do it. Its a great series for about 7 books and then it gets to the point where each giant volume spans a few days.
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While they we're immensely frustrating when you'd waited years for them to hit the shelves, books 8 - 10 benefit hugely from a charitable reread (I remember thinking 9 & 10 especially worked better considered as a single book, but I don't remember why exactly, something to figure out on my next read through). There's a noticeable jump in quality in book 11, and then we're on the the Sanderson books which are just teaming with awesome.

I think like all series so long there are a few duds, but even so the series itself does stand up to most criticism levelled against it. Some of the books are slow and others seem to speed by, but taken as a whole it is an incredibly interesting story and if you can get through the books which don't tickle your fancy too much then I think its a very worthwhile use of your time.

Fantasy, adventure, humor and romance with some great world building thrown in.
It is up there as one of the most entertaining fantasy novels I've ever read.
P.S. Simon R. Green is a very prolific, yet under appreciated author. He has at least 4 or 5 major series which he has written, all with 5 or more novels each

(My true "most recommended book" is The Long Ships, but it ain't sff)

I mean, the answer is probably still The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, but there are certain circumstances (say, this person has already read the H2G2 trilogy, or maybe I already know they hate Blackadder and Doctor Who or something) where I might go with Red/Blue/Green Mars instead. Or maybe Dune. Or Tolkien. Um. I'm cheating now, aren't I?
I love Gene Wolf to pieces but he's such a dense, difficult writer that I don't know if I'd recommend him to someone without knowing their reading habits pretty well first.
The author I've been forcing on people most lately is David Mitchell.

Good choice, I read it in one sitting on Saturday. Excellent book.


Kushner reads part by herself, then other scenes are full cast. *shrug* Dune was that way, but I think they just ran out of money.

Kushner reads part by herself, then other scenes are full cast. *shrug* Dune was that way, but I think they just ran out of money."
I've listened to it and the parts where it's full cast versus the parts with single narrator all seem organic and natural. Maybe they did it for budget reasons, but it works well enough to feel planned.
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That got me wondering (and I can't believe this hasn't been done before on S&L, but if I can't see it, it doesn't exist): what's the one sci-fi/fantasy book or series you would recommend above all others?
I'm looking for one title, no fudging. If you fudge, you'd best justify the hell out of your response. JK lol.
But pick one.
P.S. Mine's Red Mars