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Linda (ladylawyer8650) | 1702 comments By the way, did anyone see the Ravens beat the Patriots last night?Someone fumbled and every player on the field piled up to recover. The refs were pulling players off and pulled out one of the refs. I have never seen a ref be in the pile before. The Ravens and 49ers are going to the Super Bowl in the Big Easy. 'Who dat?' will host but will not play.


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Chris  | 419 comments For those of us interested in our discussion of music and hair last week in the paper the other day I saw an advert for a concert coming up here in Auckland with Deep Purple as the headline act and Journey on the undercard!


message 1703: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Chris F wrote: "For those of us interested in our discussion of music and hair last week in the paper the other day I saw an advert for a concert coming up here in Auckland with Deep Purple as the headline act and..."
LOL. Meanwhile, here in Melbourne, the musical "Hair" is about to be staged - again. :D


message 1704: by Jean (last edited Jan 21, 2013 01:12PM) (new)

Jean Gill (jeangill) | 227 comments Terri wrote:

P.S Jean I tried to contact you over..."


Terri wrote: "Jean wrote: "How crazy is all this! I read about Victorian corsets etc but I think the hair torture we've been through is just as bad!"

Ain't that the truth!!

P.S Jean I tried to contact you over..."


OK Terri - have changed my setting so can now be contacted! Didn't know it was set up that way - what have I been missing?! I've used the goodreads reviews and bought a few research books now anyway.


message 1705: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (new)

Terri | 19576 comments Ah, good Jean. You might start receiving messages from people now. :-)


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Terri | 19576 comments Monica wrote: "Three things I've learned about the new Kindle Fire:

1. Not being able to sort books into collections is annoying :(

2. The battery runs low at THE MOST inopportune times!

3. If you read in th..."


Oh gosh, that last one is so funny to me, because I have had that happen to me on my tablet in the middle of the night. It scared the living daylight's out the sleeping husband next to me. :-)


message 1707: by Linda (new)

Linda (ladylawyer8650) | 1702 comments I am absolutely laughing out loud, Terri. The poor man. What a spin!


message 1708: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (new)

Terri | 19576 comments He is very jumpy at sounds. He thought someone had driven up and beeped the car horn. :-)


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David Krae (davidkrae) Re: Deep Purple - the lineup looks good (it was 'Light Purple' without Gillan IMO).

RIP - Jon Lord. (d. July 16, 2012)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZBiq...

...although Don Airey is a monster player as well.

Enjoy the show, Chris. :)


message 1710: by Linda (new)

Linda (ladylawyer8650) | 1702 comments Most couples have stories that are priceless made more priceless by an intimate setting.


message 1711: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (new)

Terri | 19576 comments I just learned about this from my nephews.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/science_...

At first I thought they were trying to fool me. :)


message 1712: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (last edited Jan 24, 2013 05:00PM) (new)

Terri | 19576 comments I am posting to ask Bryn a question which I was going to ask in an era thread, only the book is supernatural 'related'.

Although the question is for Bryn, everyone is welcome to chime in on the discussion.

Bryn,
You spoke of that book you are about to read being multi layered, which made me curious..
Have you read The Historian?
The Historian by Elizabeth Kostova


message 1713: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments No. No idea what it's about either. Hear the title thrown about but never investigated. I'll go see.


message 1714: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (new)

Terri | 19576 comments I loved the book. Very atmospheric.
not everyone loves it, I don't think Dawn did from memory??? But a great read for a dark windy night.


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Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments That's funny. My friend reviews are 1, 3 and 5 stars.


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Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments I think I see it commonly el cheapo at the markets, so...


message 1717: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (last edited Jan 24, 2013 05:10PM) (new)

Terri | 19576 comments I don't understand the many low ratings. I am completely sure that some just legitimately didn't like it, but there are going to be a lot of people who didn't like it because they thought it was going to be something else. Or thought it was going to be about vampires LOTS.
YA readers, Supernatural readers etc may find it a challenge as it is a very long book and is a subtle, silky slow read (my kind of subtle, silky slow read).


message 1718: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments And again. I used to love gothic novels, Melmoth the Wanderer (chief of gothic), The Monk (short by the standard but scandalous) and Ann Radcliffe too, not to mention a lot else. If it's like them? Sounds like them, even the journeys that bore a few people.


message 1719: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (last edited Jan 24, 2013 05:25PM) (new)

Terri | 19576 comments Hmm. Have not read either so I am not sure. Definitely wouldn't read as thickly text driven as a Classic. If you know what I mean. Where the art of the written word, dense paragraphs of little dialogue and the dialogue a riddle in itself sometimes, is the main focus.
It is most assuredly a modern novel. But a novel you have to feel from a landscape imagination.
Many readers read one dimensionally. Don't picture surroundings, wind in the trees, windows rattling in the scene. They just read the words and don't look into the scene.I think with the Historian, you need to get yourself into the scene so you can pick up the subtlety.


message 1720: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments The Gothics are called Classics now, but were the popular fiction of their day. Frowned upon by the serious-minded. -Still, I tried to read Ann Radcliffe again last year and could not wade through. She was never my fave, though: the blokes I mentioned were that. I think at least the Matthew 'Monk' Lewis (as they used to call him) wasn't in that dense 19thC style.

I seem to have gotten distracted from the subject at hand.

Hmmm. Ann Radcliffe was too into scenery for me. I'm lazy with scenery. If it's done for mood effects, I can enjoy.


message 1721: by Terri, Wyrd bið ful aræd (new)

Terri | 19576 comments Its definitely not over done scenery though. Just atmosphere. :)


message 1722: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments I've just started dipping my toe in the water of Gothics. Recently read The Haunted Hotel - rather enjoyed it.


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Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments Lay on the atmosphere.

@Margaret: Can I thrust upon you the above? Can I shove at you others??


message 1724: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Bryn wrote: "Lay on the atmosphere.

@Margaret: Can I thrust upon you the above? Can I shove at you others??"


Shove as many suggestions my way as you can. I just don't know where I am going to get copies. Gothic just doesn't seem right on a Kindle. I need BOOKS.


message 1725: by Bryn (last edited Jan 24, 2013 06:02PM) (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments I just voted on listopia Best Gothic Books of All Time. My selections from the wonderful world of Gothic. In order even.


message 1726: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Bryn wrote: "I just voted on listopia Best Gothic Books of All Time. My selections from the wonderful world of Gothic. In order even."

I saw that. I am making notes. :)


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Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments PS. Wilkie Collins = Victorian try-hard. Go early. Or late and decadent.

how opinionated can I be?


message 1728: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (last edited Jan 24, 2013 06:16PM) (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Bryn wrote: "PS. Wilkie Collins = Victorian try-hard. Go early. Or late and decadent.

how opinionated can I be?"


Be very opinionated. :) It all helps me make decisions. You can leave Lovecraft out of the discussions - I already own a complete collection on my Kindle. I adore Lovecraft. :D

Found a wonderful little book last year that combined Lovecraft with historical fiction. Adored it. Historical Lovecraft


message 1729: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments I have to read more Lovecraft. I've neglected him and never meant to.


message 1730: by Bobby (new)

Bobby (bobbej) | 1375 comments Bryn wrote: "I have to read more Lovecraft. I've neglected him and never meant to."

Stephen King's inspiration...he adores Lovecraft!!


message 1731: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Bobby wrote: "Bryn wrote: "I have to read more Lovecraft. I've neglected him and never meant to."

Stephen King's inspiration...he adores Lovecraft!!"


But King doesn't do it nearly so well as Lovecraft did.


message 1732: by Dar B (last edited Jan 24, 2013 07:38PM) (new)

Dar B (ruminatingbulls) | 137 comments Bryn wrote: "That's funny. My friend reviews are 1, 3 and 5 stars."

I know that you don't know me or my tastes but I liked The Historian a lot! I liked that the book was basically three stories nested within each other, that it was rather scary by having so few appearances of the vampire and his minions, and I adored all of the history of the Transylvania region. It really was very good but had a lot of historical detail, that is a good thing to me. I gave it four stars.

Can anybody tell me how to place a link to my review?


message 1733: by Bobby (new)

Bobby (bobbej) | 1375 comments Margaret wrote: "Bobby wrote: "Bryn wrote: "I have to read more Lovecraft. I've neglected him and never meant to."

Stephen King's inspiration...he adores Lovecraft!!"

But King doesn't do it nearly so well as Love..."


I respectfully disagree....I think stories may favor Lovecraft but character development is all King...ergo, I equalize my like for them. I will cede that followers of Lovecraft are more fervent than King fans.


message 1734: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (last edited Jan 24, 2013 07:45PM) (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Bobby wrote: "Margaret wrote: "Bobby wrote: "Bryn wrote: "I have to read more Lovecraft. I've neglected him and never meant to."

Stephen King's inspiration...he adores Lovecraft!!"

But King doesn't do it nearl..."


LOL. I think I like that Lovecraft hinted at the darkness...whilst King drags it out into the harsh light of day. I'd rather be made uneasy by shadows at night, than be unable to sleep because of the graphic images in my mind.

I will say, that I did really enjoy King's "Christine".

One writer who literally has me jumping at shadows is R. Chetwynd-Hayes


message 1735: by Bryn (last edited Jan 24, 2013 08:00PM) (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments Darla V wrote: "I liked The Historian a lot!..."

Cheers for the input, Darla. I like a subtle horror - and historical stuff. And Transylvania...
To link to your review: If you hit 'My review' so that it's on a page of its own - paste the link. :)


message 1736: by Dar B (new)

Dar B (ruminatingbulls) | 137 comments Thanks, Bryn! Here is my review, although I just read it and see some grammatical errors- sorry.

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...


message 1737: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Darla V wrote: "Thanks, Bryn! Here is my review, although I just read it and see some grammatical errors- sorry.

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/..."


Good review. Sounds like an interesting book.


message 1738: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments Time I read a new take on Dracula, then. Since the original, I've only read 'In Search of...' type books on the history -- and found Vlad in the 15th century pretty worthwhile himself. If it has that history, I'm in. Also I was keen on Gary Oldman's rendition.


message 1739: by Dar B (new)

Dar B (ruminatingbulls) | 137 comments Margaret wrote: "Darla V wrote: "Thanks, Bryn! Here is my review, although I just read it and see some grammatical errors- sorry.

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/..."

Good review. Sounds like an inter..."


Thank you, Margaret. I certainly was glad that I read it.


message 1740: by Dar B (new)

Dar B (ruminatingbulls) | 137 comments Bryn wrote: "Time I read a new take on Dracula, then. Since the original, I've only read 'In Search of...' type books on the history -- and found Vlad in the 15th century pretty worthwhile himself. If it has th..."

It has a good bit on Vlad and his interatction with the Turks, very interesting to me. I never read anything of Gary Oldman's. Which book of his is about Vlad?


message 1741: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments Ahhhh - give me Turks. Just what I want.

Gary Oldman, I'm afraid, acted Dracula in a film. Alongside Winona Ryder (sp?).


message 1742: by Dar B (new)

Dar B (ruminatingbulls) | 137 comments I knew that his name was familiar for some reason! lol Please excuse me, I can be quite daft at times.

I hope that you like the book as much as Terri and I.


message 1743: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments No no, that's me slumming into films.


message 1744: by Dar B (new)

Dar B (ruminatingbulls) | 137 comments Wow, I just looked up that Dracula movie and it looks good- an all-star cast! Now, I have to see if the library as it. Thanks for the info.


message 1745: by Bobby (new)

Bobby (bobbej) | 1375 comments Margaret wrote: "Bobby wrote: "Margaret wrote: "Bobby wrote: "Bryn wrote: "I have to read more Lovecraft. I've neglected him and never meant to."

Stephen King's inspiration...he adores Lovecraft!!"

But King doesn..."


I'll look it up Margaret.


message 1746: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments Me too - just went to IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103874/ Hey, I'm not even ashamed I like it.


message 1747: by Dar B (new)

Dar B (ruminatingbulls) | 137 comments Hey, we like what we like. For me, I cannot follow most straight non-fiction history but make it into historical fiction and I am there, especially for the time-frames and geographical regions that I prefer. I also like fantasy and humor a lot! It is a form of escape from the pressures of real-life. I'm not ashamed.

I am on IMDB almost every night, when the hbby and I are trying to remember an actor's name or which shows they had been in.


message 1748: by Bryn (new)

Bryn Hammond (brynhammond) | 1505 comments The film revolves around a love story, I confess, but you know, what with Terri's material these days, standards are slipping.


message 1749: by Margaret, Sherlockian Sheila (new)

Margaret (margyw) | 3341 comments Bryn wrote: "The film revolves around a love story, I confess, but you know, what with Terri's material these days, standards are slipping."

*snickers*


message 1750: by Bobby (new)

Bobby (bobbej) | 1375 comments Bobby wrote: "Margaret wrote: "Bobby wrote: "Margaret wrote: "Bobby wrote: "Bryn wrote: "I have to read more Lovecraft. I've neglected him and never meant to."

Stephen King's inspiration...he adores Lovecraft!!..."


Have you read any Robert R. McCammon or Dan Simmons? I think you might like some of their stuff.


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