Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Well it's not Harry Potter, enough said.
Angus wrote: "I read them primarily for the same reason I read the HP series: to have another thing in common to discuss with my now-21 year-old stepdaughter.While I think the HP series is genius--up there wit..."
though there's on denying that in the movie bella is more of a prop than a strong main charactor that overcomes obstacles, in the book its edward whos always falling to pieces and bellas the one who always stays strong, and though i do agree that the whole vampire werewolves thing was a bit over done. if u had to imagine takeing it out or even diming it a little it would just be another love triangle(but slightly more depresing).there wouldnt be all these cool charactors and anologies plus it would lose its dramatic flare.though i must admit though i love twilight its got nothing on harry potter. :D
My answer: As previous people have pointed out Bella is a stupid, weak girl always concerned about Edward and willing to kill herself when he breaks up with him. Point number 2: The whole girl falls in love with vampire and then he eventually turns her into one has been used thousands of times. WRITE A DIFFERENT STORY! Point 3: Does Meyer have an editor? Because her grammer is really bad. Point 4: What Nya said: we are so sick of Twilight fans, especially the HP haters that try to slame Harry and fail. I just want to end with saying that I don't think hating Twilight is cool, of course I don't think hating anything is "cool". "Cool" is overrated, and people have the right to their own opinion.
Megan wrote: "Angus wrote: "I read them primarily for the same reason I read the HP series: to have another thing in common to discuss with my now-21 year-old stepdaughter.While I think the HP series is genius..."
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Kendall wrote: "Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate th..."
:) yeah, you stick to your thoughts. i admit, they are flawed and soooo annoyingly overrated but just because you didn't like them and i did doesn't mean you are stupid or weird. i am a Christian to but i enjoyed them. sorry people attack you for you opinoin.
Because it is a very pointless book about the importance of having a vampire for a boyfriend.
Dabia wrote: "Well it's not Harry Potter, enough said."hahah, i agrree. lol, because HP and Twilight aren't even in the same genre and more people are gonna like HP because it isn't romance based like Twilight and HP doesn't have as many annoying cliches.
People probably think that Twilight is a series about some stuck up people that don't like their life. One of my friend's said that and I thought she was just being sarcastic. Wrong!
Ally wrote: "My answer: As previous people have pointed out Bella is a stupid, weak girl always concerned about Edward and willing to kill herself when he breaks up with him. Point number 2: The whole girl fall..."actually, with the expection of Vampire Diaries (which btw didn't really become popular until they wanted to make a show of it because of the Twilight craze) most vampire love stories have been written AFTER Twilight. as far as grammtical errors go, every writer makes those. Suzanne Collins made A TON of run of sentences and fragments. why simply put that out there if ALL authors do that at some point? but i am not trying to attack you, so dont take it the wrong way. i am trying to reason with you :)
but yeah, i do see your point. and Twilight is overrated and annoying, i am a fan and i am sick of it. but i am not obessed and i admit it is flawed and sometimes i wanted to SLAP Bella with some of the things she said and did. but yeah, so i dont blame you for hating the series. there are a lot of reason to hate it. :)
cat- this is off subject, but I just wanted to say that I think you have a calling in some sort of diplomatic job...you're great at seeing all sides of an issue! :)
Kirby wrote: "cat- this is off subject, but I just wanted to say that I think you have a calling in some sort of diplomatic job...you're great at seeing all sides of an issue! :)"thanks :) i try not to offend anyone. i have made the mistake of attacking someone sometime and thought 'that was really mean and not everyone is going to see it how i see it'. so ever since i have tried very hard to respect everyones thoughts. :)
Cat wrote: "Kirby wrote: "cat- this is off subject, but I just wanted to say that I think you have a calling in some sort of diplomatic job...you're great at seeing all sides of an issue! :)"thanks :) i try..."
well, job well done!
Kirby wrote: "Cat wrote: "Kirby wrote: "cat- this is off subject, but I just wanted to say that I think you have a calling in some sort of diplomatic job...you're great at seeing all sides of an issue! :)"tha..."
thanks :)
The biggest problems in this series to me is 1: Bella. Her Charactor is very weak and she lacks. the self confidence she needs to make her seem even remotely useful at all. Which makes me think that the whole twilight saga has no purpose in being on this earth at all. 2: It is your average vampire story. People always want the main charactor to go to the vampire even if they don't really realize it. They'll blow steam on it but its not something they'll be totally unhappy about. Which makes.everything in the saga predictable, which brings it back to purposelessness.
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
It's not about being "cool". Not to me. I don't hate Twilight because it's "cool" to hate it. Everyone I know is either obsessed with it or they are deeply enchanted with it. I am not. One, Edward is a mythical creature who was turned gay in this book.Vampires don't 'sparkle'. I mean, where did that come from?! Bella is a pathetic, no-life girl who has divorced parents and one of them still treats her like a child. The whole "sex before marriage" thing drives me crazy. It's not ok to have sex before marriage; our society has a distorted image. Sex is supposed to be something beautiful, sacred, amazing, pleasurable, something you do for love, not for lust, desire, money or want of. Then, there's the issue of Edward being a stalker. I could go on...but here's just some pointers about why I HATE TWILIGHT.
Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because there are vampires in it and it's " not cool" for a guy to read that.
Honestly I think it's just different people like different things like not everyone is going to like vampire books just like not everyone like horror.Plus I think it's just the fuss that was made that people began to resent it.
I think lots of people don't like Twilight for several reasons:1) The movies kinda ruin the books.
2) It's aimed at young women. And for a reason. Men aren't into this kind of stuff (straight men, that is). And older women look forward to more deeper stories. Twilight is shallow.
3) It's got a different perception of vampires. Which only rivals up how vampire lovers feel. You can either accept that these vampires are odd from the classic vampire, or you can be critical of it because you're use to Dracula and vampires that are prey on humans.
That's my assumptions.
Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because there are vampires in it and it's " not cool" fo..."You're in grade 7. Have you tried exploring the field of classics, of reading something other than Twilight? I'm not saying guys can't read Twilight. Some of my male friends have read it, either because their girlfriends made them, or because they have sisters. I only meant Edward was sort of made pussy by the quality of sparkling. In my opinion, Breanna, you should try and read something else. I'm not saying you can't choose; after all, it's your life. But, if I were you, I'd try and read something like "Speak" (by Laurie Hals Anderson), or "The Giver" by Lois Lowry. Something intellectually good. Twilight is for small-minded people.
Nichole wrote: "I think lots of people don't like Twilight for several reasons:1) The movies kinda ruin the books.
2) It's aimed at young women. And for a reason. Men aren't into this kind of stuff (straight men,..."
I don't think all men aren't in to it though. I don't think you can ever really say something is 'not for boys' or 'not for girls', it just depends on the person. My boyfriend is a 30 year old man and he surprisingly loves Twilight (even more than I do!) I just think everyone's different. There are probably millions of closet Twilight fans too who are too afraid to say it ha!
I totally agree with your third point. People who are in to the classic vampire tales probably wouldn't be too impressed with Meyer's version. I personally think that adds to it though. If you've read her guide to the saga you'll see she wrote that the Volturi are the ones that put out the fact that vampires are averse to garlic, holy water, sunlight etc. to throw people off the scent. And that when a vampire movie comes out they go to see it to make sure the director's haven't found out too much about how they really are. Hilarious!
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Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because there are vampires in it and it'..."judging others based on their book preferences is for small-minded people...it's not nice, and it's not correct. (btw, you can look at breanna's profile and see that twilight is not the only book she's read)
Kirby wrote: "Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because there are vampi..."great point!
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Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because there are vampires in it and it'..." I never said guys can't read Twilight many of my guy friends have read it I was just saying many of the guys I know don't like it because they don't think vampires are cool. And By the way I have read The Giver I have also read the boy in the striped pajamas, Anne of Green Gables, little house on the prairie, hevean is for real. I defineitaly have read a variety of book.
Amanda wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because t..."thanks! :D
I just get so tired of people crapping on twilight fans. :(
I have also read the other books in the Giver series even though they were not as good.
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
I agree with you. I stand by the fact that I love the books. I hate it also when people have no idea what they are talking about when they say they hate Twilight. If you don't like it fine, if you do fine. Why do people have to hate on it? Why even put effort into that? So wierd.
Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because there are vampires in it and it'..."
Im not small minded. I just wanted to read Twilight because I have a dream of becoming a vampire. JK but thats very rude of you to say I was just trying somthing new.
Im not small minded. I just wanted to read Twilight because I have a dream of becoming a vampire. JK but thats very rude of you to say I was just trying somthing new.
Kirby wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont li..."
I know me too! Don't be rude to someone just because they like a book. God.
I know me too! Don't be rude to someone just because they like a book. God.
Kirby wrote: "Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because there are vampi..."good point. I definitely will check out her profile. I never meant to say that I judge people on what they read. But what people say, that Twilight is a fantastic book when in reality ir's not, makes them small minded people.
I just don't like that you are calling us small minded just because we like a book doesn't make us small minded. I like tons of other books. Twilight is not a fantastic book but in my opinion I do think its good.
Ok, I apologize. I just wanted to make a point so people would think outside the box and not be stuck on Twilight.
Okay. Oh and The Giver is one of my favourite books.
Danielle wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Danielle wrote: "Breanna wrote: "Twilight is a good book people may not like it because it's not the type of book they like. Also I'm in grade 7 and I know guys dont like it because t..."Danielle, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you can't judge people on what they like. Also, 'trying to get people to think outside the box' is a waste of breath because people will like and hate what they want. You are not going to enlighten me to change my mind. I devoured the twilight saga and loved it because it is so far from what I study. Part of my job is to know good literature and be able to talk about it with other people and professionals, so not all people need to "look outside the box" and are "stuck" on twilight. Right now i'm reading a TON of drama. Does that count as "stuck" to you?
This is what aggrivates me the most: people who make assumptions about twilight fans. Not all fans say "OMG I LOVE EDWARDDD" or something to that degree. Which is another thing I think that makes people hate twilight and the fans because they think we are all that nuts about twilight. I just read it and enjoyed it. I will even admit that I read it more than once (mainly because school put me in the poorhouse) but I have no shame on saying I enjoyed it.
Danielle wrote: "good point. I definitely will check out her profile. "yeah, I'm snoopy- I like looking at people's bookshelves! :)
People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. Anything that gains as much media coverage and reviews as Twilight is deemed to be hated to some degree. If twilight remained out of the spotlight it would not have the feedback it does, for obvious reasons. Also, the movies hardly give the already ‘bad book’ any credibility. Lovers of twilight (like myself) will like it no matter how poorly it is written and haters will continue hating the book. Before I read the book I (shamefully) judged it based on the reviews and thought it was ‘stupid’ until I read it. The only reason I chose to read it (besides the fact that I was on bedrest) is the fact that it was so popular and I was curious because of all the "talk" and hype about the book. If it wasn’t for all the hype I don’t think I would have picked it up/read the book.
Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. Anything that gains as much media coverage and reviews as Twilight is deem..."you know, I'm really curious as to whether the same thing is about to happen with the hunger games, what with it getting big and all that...
Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. Anything that gains as much media coverage and reviews as ..."Yeah, I often wondered that myself. I hope not, but we know it will.
What I'm hoping is that it won't turn into the "OMGGG I LOVEEE EDWARD" to "OMG I LOVE PEETAAA" "TEAM GALE FOREVVAA"
This is another reason why people hate twilight. Some fans are too intense lol. It puts a bad name on the not-so-intense fans.
It was just stupid I read all the books and couldn't get interested I even re-read trying to figure it out more, I watched all but the last movie. The acting sucked the make up artist missed great sections of skin leaving them pale and tan. And Robert Patterson should never take his shirt off ever. shudder. Bella was depressed and all she did was sit in a chair wearing the same clothes for months on end she is not what you call a strong female role. Them having a kid and Jacob falling in love with her was very messed up I thought, and I think Jacob should of gone with the girl werewolf if anyone. The only good thing about it is the one line:Does he even own a shirt. Which is to totally true. When it first came out I got swept up in every one thinking it's great and I love books so much I often miss there flaws but looking back I can't figure out why I read it at all. Maybe cause I owned the whole series, without checking if it was good.
Amanda wrote: "Nichole wrote: "I think lots of people don't like Twilight for several reasons:1) The movies kinda ruin the books.
2) It's aimed at young women. And for a reason. Men aren't into this kind of stuf..."
Agreed. There are men that like it, I'm sure. But my sentence said its "target audience." Which is not the same as implying that only teens, and gays, like it. Cause obviously, some teens, and gays hate it. And some older women like it. and so on. But for the most part, if you stared into the audience of twilight fans, it would be teenage girls. Kinda what you'd see if you looked for Beiber fans. :-)
And I agree with how she wrote up the vampires in this. And I think it's cool, because she decided to work up her OWN fiction on vampires instead of just accepting the fictional norm of them and writing up that. She stepped out of an element writing them this way, which is admirable.
Stephenie Meyer didn't even think of Twilight being a book when she wrote it. I know that I don't have the guts to share my writing/stories with my CLASS, let alone the whole world! And for the vampire/warewolf thing, who cares!? Not everything in a book has to be realistic. I agree that Bella is a weak character, but seriously, give Stephenie a break. Because not a lot of people have the courage to share their writing or dreams with anyone. Wasn't Twilight the first book she ever wrote?
Natalie wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. Anything that gains as much media coverage a..."But is the shipping and fangirly-ness (or fanboy-ness) really such a bad thing though?
I mean, sure sometimes it gets to be too much but as long as they're not hurting anybody (or stalking the actors or whatever) then I don't really see why people look at them like they're crazy.
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. Anything that gains as much ..."I know what you mean- I often miss the teenage ability to go absolutely nuts over something! it was fun!
Kirby wrote: "Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. ..."Fun indeed! :D
I think that anybody of any age should be able to go nuts over something; if only people didn't judge them so harshly then some wouldn't have to be "in the closet" about it.
I despise it mainly because Bella is a godawful protagonist and person in general. It glorifies STALKING (O_O; ) Edward and Bella are in an extremely abusive relationship and the reader is supposed to think this is 'love' Also there's a pedophilia in the final book. *shudders*
Here's a great sporking of this 'series' and exactly just what is so terrible about it. =/
Here: http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/7...
(This woman goes book by book, chapter by chapter and really tears into it. A warning for some strong language at times.
Will wrote: "Maybe because there is not one redeeming quality in Twilight."Agreed!
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. Anything that gains as much ..."No, it's not a bad thing. I myself went through a little obsession with the books for awhile a few years ago. I just feel that the people who are super-charged- twilight fans who tell non-twilight fans that they don't know what they are missing and that it's the best book on the planet causes the non-lovers to hate the lovers. Yeno? A lot of people group twilight fans with the twihards. Not that there is anything wrong with people being overly enthuastic about the books, but the intensity of it gives twilight a bad wrap in that manner because it can get annoying to the non-twilight fans. Also , the fact that some twihards won't reason with you that it has flaws, etc can also be annoying for non-fans, which also causes them to judge and become even more annoyed. Does that make sense? I feel like I just blabbered off a lot of nonsense lol.
Natalie wrote: "Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. ..."Oh yeah, I get what you mean now; yep makes total sense. I thought you meant being enthusiastic in general (you know, like wearing twi-shirts, or going to conventions or dressing as a twi-character on halloween or something), which in itself gets a lot of bad rap.
It's sad that fans get lumped in with each other.
Natalie wrote: "Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Kirby wrote: "Natalie wrote: "People hate it because it's easy to hate. It has become a spectacle which makes it visible to everyone= more scrutinized. ..."I totally agree with you.There might be a lot of reasons for not liking twilight books but the reason why they get so much hate is twihards overreacts to everything specially criticism.To them everything is perfect and you are an idiot if you have a problem with something.Like you said, it's impossible to reason with them.So even if all the fans are not like that or books are not that bad, because you are annoyed so much you start hating the books.While there is nothing wrong with fans being enthuastic about the books there should be limits, I think.And thats respect and opening your eyes & admitting there are some flaws in twilight books.
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I agree with you and I also have to admit I hate these books, they get soooooo annoying after a while...I am a Christian and many people are against me and they reply to these things saying things to me...If you don't like what my opinion is as a Christian leave me alone, don't go looking for something a Christian would say...I may be a Christian, but I've got an opinion and I'm not afraid to say it to anyone and I honestly try to keep the colorful words to myself and sometimes you have no idea how hard it is haha...everyone has an opinion that not everyone agrees with and the people that say stuff just need to keep what they say to a minimum...