Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
i think they just dont understand the book or they just (for some horrible reason) couldnt get into the book so they just decided that thye hated it...
I can't speak for the general populous but the reasons that I disliked the book were:1. None, I repeat none of the characters had any dimension. They had one personality trait that carried them through the entire series of books.
2. The love between Belle and Edward is completely unrealistic, not only did they become attached based on the nothing that they knew about each other but Bella is basically food for Edward...it would be like a human falling in love with a bowl of soup.
3. Meyer seemed to be afraid to kill off any of her important characters, there was always the threat of a battle, and when it finally happened....NOTHING HAPPENED
4. Bella's character was shallow, every other character in the book thought she was the greatest, but really she was selfish, dependent, whiny etc.
6. The language that Meyer uses in her first person narrative is not believable, words like "loam" and the way she narrates the "love" between her and Edward just sound pretentious
5. WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE BABY DATING!!! I know that she tries to explain the whole falling in love with a two year old, and the falling in love with a baby...but seriously!!! It's gross and unnecessary!
/end rant
I could say more about the holes in the plot lines, the flaws in Alice's future vision power (and the other powers), the problems with the werewolves, and my overall irritation with the books in general but I'll end here...and spare all who read this the gory details.
Some people just like different genres of books, some think Twilight is stupid, others think it's great. Personally i love the BOOKS, now the twilight fans that are like "OMG! I wanna be a vampire!" and take it to a whole new creepy level, are annoying. And I do think sometimes people look at those crazy twilight fans and say they hate twilight because of the fans, even though they say they hate the book. Also, everyone has a different oppinion, noone's is right or wrong.
Maggie wrote: "Some people just like different genres of books, some think Twilight is stupid, others think it's great. Personally i love the BOOKS, now the twilight fans that are like "OMG! I wanna be a vampire!..."thats the point i was putting across on here too its the silly little girls that take it to a whole new level lol.Of course theres no right an wrong everyone has there on sense of free will u can hate it or like it end of but when there a huge crazy swarm of gilrs acting like theyve just escape from a mental asylum it makes people repel it all the more
The Twilight books are like the crack cocaine of the literary world. You know they're bad for you. You know they're killing your brain cells. You hate yourself every time you indulge. And yet. . . .You. . .Can't. . . .Stop.
Ozlem wrote: "I'm so sorry, but I tend to think that Twilight and Justin Bieber fans are all the same people. "Twilight and Bieber fans get so much hate for just being fans.
People treat us like we did something terrible. I mean sure, some of the fans can get a little crazy, but I don't see why we should be looked upon with so much disdain/distaste. :(
It's not hate, that's the wrong word. I just found Twilight boring, but I forced myself to read through to the end to try to understand what the big deal was about. Kind of like the Da Vinci Code. But after the first book, I knew for a fact it wasn't my thing and didn't bother anymore. Just like with Dan Brown. :) But I have never railed at the fates about either of them. Tastes are different. Those who like Twilight and Dan Brown might well not like the bestsellers *I* like, The Time Traveler's Wife or The Book Thief. We can't all like everything. Although I can understand that if a youth subculture has developed around Twilight, those who aren't fans might tend to hate it. Luckily, I'm too old to worry about that anymore. :)
Ozlem wrote: "They are just another books that I don't hate, but I'm not very fond of. First of all, Edward has a strong attraction to Bella's blood yet Stephenie Meyer seems to have forgotten to think & menti..."
not to demean your thoughts, but i agree with everything you said but the Justin Bieber bit. i find Justin Bieber to be another pop-tart in in hollwood. yes, in select cases Twilight fans and JB fans maybe the same, but not for me. i dont even like pop mucis AT all. :) just to say :) again, i hope you get i wasn't trying ot attack/or offend you. just pointing something out. sometimes you read something and it sounds wayyyyyyy different read so :)
Lololol probably because it's not creative......... Just saying..................
Oh, and because bella's really whiny...... and the movies don't do her character any justice.............
Ok, first of all I am a fan. I was a fan before it was cool to be a fan. I think the bigger point is being missed. It is for young adults. The characters in the story act like young adults. Especially Bella! She defies authority, ignores everyone's feelings except her own, and mostly ends up whining until the final book. HOWEVER... That is how teenagers act! They are the center of their own universe! They do think that the world owes them something and that it revolves around them. If you don't like it, simply don't read it! It's not War and Peace, we know this!! But at least appreciate that there are young people out there begging to read something!!!! They are ignoring their cell phones, laptops, and TVs and actually reading!!! I think that is the true magic of Twilight!
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
Exactly. It's like Justin Bieber. People hate just to hate and be cool.
People are just tired of hearing about it because the series has been around for a couple of years now.
Shannon wrote: "Ok, first of all I am a fan. I was a fan before it was cool to be a fan. I think the bigger point is being missed. It is for young adults. The characters in the story act like young adults. Es..."I like the way you put that and agree;)
Liz wrote: "I hate the books because I view "Bella" as the worst type of character for young, malleable women to be reading. She is the worst role-model for young girls. Any woman who attempts suicide to get ..."Totally want it! can u send it 2 me in a message?
In my opinion I think part of why a lot of people hated it is because a lot of people read it. Most books are directed toward a certain audience and people tend to buy books in the genre that they like. Because of the popularity a lot of people who would have never chosed a book in that genre have read it just to see what all of the fuss is about. Books are very subjective and we're not all meant to like the same stories. Yes, there were some errors in Twilight but if you were drawn into the story and the characters you probably wouldn't have noticed. I know I didn't.
it probly be difrent if she wasn't but would Jacob or Edward like her
The craze for hating it is no different than the Harry Potter hate that came out when that was popular. But Harry Potter appeals to a wider range of audience so I think it redeemed itself a little faster.Anti conformists are just as bad or worse than the conformists. They also seem to speak louder because their voices grate against the flow of the many conformists' voices.
However I myself harbor a hatred for the fanatical obsession I see with the characters and ideals because I feel it is a dangerous thing to encourage. But as a story while reading it I didn't mind it terribly. It wasn't very good but I was into them. The third was the only book I'd characterize as good.
As for the writing of it I think people dislike the repetetive style of Meyers' writing. She repeats the same descriptions constantly and for some reason you can tell everything Edward thinks by looking at "the set of his shoulders" And of course Bella as a character is...awful. She's a blank slate everywoman Mary Sue that almost anyone can relate to if they try. As a character she's as vague as your local crackpot astrologist. Also the fact that these two boys are so in love with her when her qualities aren't exactly lauded. Meyers didn't even take the time to make ME like Bella, sure I liked a few things about her but in the end I didn't even know her well enough to be interested in getting lunch with her. Why should I believe that two boys with tremendous powers and developed personalities are interested in her?
Samantha wrote: "The craze for hating it is no different than the Harry Potter hate that came out when that was popular. But Harry Potter appeals to a wider range of audience so I think it redeemed itself a little ..."Well put...
I think the contexts of the book with the whole vampire and werewolves thing was a little disappointing, but Stephanie mayor's righting style and the way she made the characters come alive is why i love the book not because a vampire wants to suck a humans blood.and another thing i don't remember Bella ever showing weakness, she may of been upset but she tried to hide it.The whole thing with her being depressed is obviously made from people who watched the movie but DIDN'T read the book.
Megan wrote: "I think the contexts of the book with the whole vampire and werewolves thing was a little disappointing, but Stephanie mayor's righting style and the way she made the characters come alive is why i..."Actually Bella`s depressed internal dialogue in New Moon made me put down the book MANY times. My friend forced me to finish that one. (I didn`t mind the others though) Otherwise I didn`t mind her always depressed so much as not very interesting.
I believe some parents are opposed to Twilight due to Bella's lack of parental supervision. Edward being in Bella's bedroom late at night could send the wrong message to adolescent minds.
Felicia wrote: "I don't think people are jealous of what Edward and Bella have, because everyone knows that it's unrealistic(and stupid).Then again, I don't think that's the reason people hate the book. I think i..."
I totally agree! Hating the Twilight books has become "cool". I have read them, and I personally like them. I'm not an overly obsessed freak fangirl, but I didn't dislike the books at all. Bella seriously annoyed me, and so did Edward. I was more interested in the other characters, like Jasper and Alice, or the wolves (except Jake, didn't really like him either.) but hating the series has become "cool" and people who have never read or watched the movies apparently "hate" them. I don't understand. How can you hate something if you've never experienced it? I respect the opinions of people who have read the books and display some knowledge of the books, and still hate them. But if you've never read them, don't say you hate them. Just say you have no opinion...because you HAVEN'T read them! Makes sense, doesn't it?
As far as the movie goes, two words: Kristen Steward
I did not hate Twilight until I watched the movies. I didn't overly enjoy the books but I did read them all. They were well staged so that you wanted to get the next book, however, the inconsistancies of the book and movie along with the horrible horrible portrayal of Bella make the movies intolerable at best.
Bella was a bad daughter. Nobody ever took her seriously. Bella shouldn't really hate herself if that is what she wanted.
Beth wrote: "Bella was a bad daughter. Nobody ever took her seriously. Bella shouldn't really hate herself if that is what she wanted."Who isn't bad at some point? No one's perfect. Although I do admit I read for the werewolves.
I know that people did not like Bella in the movies, but I thought that Kristen Stewart played her perfectly. Bella seems kind of emotionless on the outside, just as Kristen portrays her. It was the perfect role for her.
Samantha wrote: "The craze for hating it is no different than the Harry Potter hate that came out when that was popular. But Harry Potter appeals to a wider range of audience so I think it redeemed itself a little ..."i like the way you put that. and i agree, more people can like Harry Potter because it appears to a wider range. because twilight is romance based that could be one reason more people aren't as willing to put up with it.
and though the book wasn't your cup of tea i am glad you were able to discuss it rational and not just be like 'it sucks' and stuff :) thanks :)
Samantha wrote: "Megan wrote: "I think the contexts of the book with the whole vampire and werewolves thing was a little disappointing, but Stephanie mayor's righting style and the way she made the characters come ..."yeah, New Moon did get old. i didn't like that one. if Bella was whiney is the other books, which she is, then she takes the cake for Whiney Queen in New Moon :)
movies aside. i think people hate the books cuz they put to much hype into what vampires are/should be...like comparing to dracula and all that stuff. i think if they stopped focusing/worrying on the differences and technicality of vampires and just focused on the plot and read between the lines that they might end up liking the books. i found the books to be quite enjoyable...except for the jacob parts...i think they could have done with out that part...i thought it made the books drag a little. otherwise is was a good series.
I am a fan of Twilight, not Twilight crazy or anything, in fact I read the book years ago... before they even became big. Anyways, all I really wanna say is that, lately, it has been completely pissing me off they way people hate the books so much... I think it is a question about respect to, if you don't like that's fine! Don't read it, don't watch the movies, but also don't talk crap about the whole thing!
I don't like some books, movies, etc., but I don't go spreading my hate about them, I respect the people who like them because their opinions matter just as much as mine.
Okay... now that that whole thing is out of my chest...
Tania wrote: "I am a fan of Twilight, not Twilight crazy or anything, in fact I read the book years ago... before they even became big. Anyways, all I really wanna say is that, lately, it has been completely p..."
thank you :) i love it when people who aren't crazy about it and its not really their cup of tea talk about it. like even find something they like about it even though the series is flawed. :) it means a lot to fans like me :)
i didn't like new moon either, it was my least favorite twilight book but the rest made reading new moon worth it. :)
yeah
i liked the context about the post-mortim powers. i thought it was an interesting twist for characters to develope cognitive abilities after they "die". it is a curious thing to think about. seriously, if people could use thier brains to the full potential that is there, wouldn't anyone be curious to what thier cognitive ability would be?
Ozlem wrote: "They are just another books that I don't hate, but I'm not very fond of. First of all, Edward has a strong attraction to Bella's blood yet Stephenie Meyer seems to have forgotten to think & menti..."
about the whole period thing...i guess from the way stephanie wrote the book that edward wasnt around when bella had her period. and when he started to be around more throughout the book his "control" was appearently better than stephanie led on and edward could control himself not to attack...or bella had it before edward came to meet her...but i get why stephanie might have left that out. Although people should know about the reproductive organs and all that, if stephanie put that in the book it might have made people uncomfertable reading it...and most likely guys who read it...even if they do know about it, it might make them uncomfertable.
Joseph wrote: "i liked the context about the post-mortim powers. i thought it was an interesting twist for characters to develope cognitive abilities after they "die". it is a curious thing to think about. seriou..."I did like the vampires other powers and I think it made them more interesting and unique. And it did make me consider what powers I might like to have.
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Joseph wrote: "Ozlem wrote: "They are just another books that I don't hate, but I'm not very fond of. First of all, Edward has a strong attraction to Bella's blood yet Stephenie Meyer seems to have forgotten to..."
yeah, reading about that has got to be kinda awkward, even for me it would be and i am a girl so . . . :)
Some people might not be able to relate to the characters and themes in this book.
Ellen wrote: "In my opinion I think part of why a lot of people hated it is because a lot of people read it. Most books are directed toward a certain audience and people tend to buy books in the genre that they ..."that's a good point.
Claire wrote: "Some people might not be able to relate to the characters and themes in this book."good point :) just because some people can relate to Bella doesn't mean everyone can, that goes double for guys, haha :)
I read them primarily for the same reason I read the HP series: to have another thing in common to discuss with my now-21 year-old stepdaughter.While I think the HP series is genius--up there with LOTR, Cooper's the Dark is Rising Sequence, CS Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia, King's Dark Tower series, and other time-tested classics, I didn't feel that way about the Twilight series.
This is not to say that I didn't thoroughly enjoy them (after slogging through the first installment, anyway): the story improved the further one delved into it, certainly. But while it's a clever idea, it's poorly written and riddled with cliches even Anne Rice (whose own series, or at least, the first three volumes, was genius) wouldn't touch. Ms Meyer is not the most talented of storytellers. I liked the Volturi, the idea of imprinting, and many other things, and found, to my chagrin, that I was firmly on Team Jacob. But...
I think it handles mid- to post-adolescence with a honeyed, overly-sentimental, and ultimately, overblown sense of reverence that Rowling, for instance, would have loathed. It's too little vamp/Were, too much Harlequin romance, and once again reinforces the whole paradigm of Prince Charming sweeping the delicate flower off her feet and saving her. Bella is a vapid, weak character, especially in the films, and as such, not particularly sympathetic.
Angus wrote: "found, to my chagrin, that I was firmly on Team Jacob..."XD
Angus wrote: "I read them primarily for the same reason I read the HP series: to have another thing in common to discuss with my now-21 year-old stepdaughter.While I think the HP series is genius--up there wit..."
Thanks for discs using it but not ranting about how awful it is, twilight is flawed and far from a masterpiece but I found it entertaining ;)
Plus, when you think about it, Edward's something of a pedophile who is also a control freajk. After what, three-quarters of a century? His only love connexion ever is with a not-especially mature true high school student with Daddy issues?
That's it, exactly. As a fiction writer, I was offended that anyone ever let that first book loose on the public without some major editing -- the writing was *horrible*. It got better in the second, and by the third wasn't too bad.Insa wrote: "I tell you why, I read the book and there are more than one mistakes in the book. I can't even believe that it got published! I've seen the movie, I liked the first two, I haven't seen Eclipse yet."
Angus wrote: "Plus, when you think about it, Edward's something of a pedophile who is also a control freajk. After what, three-quarters of a century? His only love connexion ever is with a not-especially matur..."She was the only mind he couldn't read.
Besides, maybe a 100 years age gap isn't pedophilic for vampires. Now that I think about it, Edward's body is frozen in the developmental stage he was in. He has the brain of a 17 year old whose frontal lobes hasn't even been fully developed yet.
Mark wrote: "That's it, exactly. As a fiction writer, I was offended that anyone ever let that first book loose on the public without some major editing -- the writing was *horrible*. It got better in the secon..."
I'll admit that I didn't really pick up on most of the errors on my first reading but I'm really disappointed with her editors after I found some of the things people were complaining about.
Most of the people I've heard complaining don't seem to have noticed the quality issues, which begs the question: If nobody notices a mistake, does it still count as a mistake? To me it does, but hardcore Twilight fans don't care what I think.From a character standpoint, she actually did a pretty good job of characterization. Yes, some people were jerks and acted stupidly, but it was in their character to do so, and they stayed true to their characters. I certainly understand Edward's fascination with Bella ("She was the only mind he couldn't read."), and I've seen many teenage girls act *exactly* like Bella did when it came to guys and life in general.
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Angus wrote: "Plus, when you think about it, Edward's something of a pedophile who is also a control freajk. After what, three-quarters of a century? His only love connexion ever is with a not-es..."
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People may HATE the book, because as a role model for young girls Bella takes them a huge step back into the male dominated social strata of the past, where the woman thinks love will conquer all; the goal of life is to marry and be set for life, never thinking of the what ifs.