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Canham, Marsha - Through a Dark Mist (Robin Hood #1) Buddy Read 29 August 2011
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18. WTF? Nicolaa has a son and the real Lucien is the father? I knew she was a cold hearted snake, but this is a new low! Do you think Eduard was conceived in love or has Nicolaa always been a b*tch? What do you think Etienne has planned for him?
19. Uh-oh! Etienne and Nicolaa seem to be fraying a bit. Etienne admits he first only wanted her because she was with Lucien, but he did save her from the arrow. Does he really care for her after all these years? Nicolaa is super selfish, but do you think she was about to admit her undying love before she thought better of it? Will they fall on the swords together or do you think they'd sell each other out to save their own hides?
20. I was right! Gil is the sneak! But what a minute! Gil is really Gillian, he is really a she! Did you see that coming? I get the feeling that besides the scar to the face there is more of a reason for Gil wanting to kill Nicolaa. Thoughts?
21. And sort of an afterthought, all this travel the two parties are doing/have done, what do you think it was like to be a servant back then? Can you imagine hauling around large tents, food and a trestle table for crying out loud?

19. Uh-oh! Etienne and Nicolaa seem to be fraying a bit. Etienne admits he first only wanted her because she was with Lucien, but he did save her from the arrow. Does he really care for her after all these years? Nicolaa is super selfish, but do you think she was about to admit her undying love before she thought better of it? Will they fall on the swords together or do you think they'd sell each other out to save their own hides? Again, I'm trying to be hopeful. They have been together a long time, so you'd think maybe they actually do care for each other, but I'm gonna guess no, they'd turn on a dime against each other. Especially Nicolaa.
20. I was right! Gil is the sneak! But what a minute! Gil is really Gillian, he is really a she! Did you see that coming? I get the feeling that besides the scar to the face there is more of a reason for Gil wanting to kill Nicolaa. Thoughts? This one took me by total surprise, but I'll admit when it came to reading his/her description, I didn't really pay attention. I think maybe Nicolaa killed her father, or something very sinister like that for Gil to feel the desperate need for revenge.
21. And sort of an afterthought, all this travel the two parties are doing/have done, what do you think it was like to be a servant back then? Can you imagine hauling around large tents, food and a trestle table for crying out loud? When I read about dinner in the large tent with the trestle table, I couldn't think of anything but 'Oh my God those poor servants!' I mean, besides the fact they work for the worst people, they have to haul a trestle table!! Have you ever seen one of those? Poor horses hauling all that stuff, and poor servants having to set it up, take it down, every time they decamp.

18. WTF? Nicolaa has a son and the real Lucien is the father? I knew she was a cold hearted snake, but this is a new low! Do you think Eduard was conceived in love or has Nicolaa always been a b*tch? What do you think Etienne has planned for him?
Really, WTF! She is one cold b!tch – always has been. Poor Eduard is going to be bait, methinks.
19. Uh-oh! Etienne and Nicolaa seem to be fraying a bit. Etienne admits he first only wanted her because she was with Lucien, but he did save her from the arrow. Does he really care for her after all these years? Nicolaa is super selfish, but do you think she was about to admit her undying love before she thought better of it? Will they fall on the swords together or do you think they'd sell each other out to save their own hides?
I think she satisfies a need he has, but I don’t think he would sacrifice his goals, let alone his life for her. Yes, she was about to let slip with the “L” word. I say he sells her out, but she’ll find out and try to do it to him b/f he does it to her.
20. I was right! Gil is the sneak! But what a minute! Gil is really Gillian, he is really a she! Did you see that coming? I get the feeling that besides the scar to the face there is more of a reason for Gil wanting to kill Nicolaa. Thoughts?
You are so smart, Shelly! Nope, I didn’t; the reveal of Gillian was a total surprise to me; wasn’t expecting that any more than I was expecting Friar to have amorous feelings towards her. I’ve got to get the image of Friar Tuck out of my brain, LOL! I think you are sooooo right; there is more to that story than just the scar.
21. And sort of an afterthought, all this travel the two parties are doing/have done, what do you think it was like to be a servant back then? Can you imagine hauling around large tents, food and a trestle table for crying out loud?
I know! One thing that bugs me in some medieval stories is that they talk about the 50 knights that travel around. Well, those 50 knights had 50 squires, not to mention the cooks, camp-followers, etc. It was a cavalcade, for the most part. So, I like that MS is bringing that realism to the story. And, to answer your question, I would NOT want to be a servant back then. The UK is always doing recreation shows about everyday life in certain eras, giving a chance for the modern man/woman to participate. I can’t remember the name of one, but it was “set” in the 1800s, and they could NOT keep any contestants in the “scullery” maid position (sh!t flows downhill). God, can you imagine the medieval period? I really wouldn’t have wanted to cover up that privy.
Great Qs, Shelly!

Found this for "bandy":
1. to pass from one to another or back and forth; give and take; trade; exchange: to bandy blows; to bandy words.
2. to throw or strike to and fro or from side to side, as a ball in tennis.
3. to circulate freely: to bandy gossip.

#18 – Awww… Shelly, at least he was conceived in love on his father’s side.
#19 – I think you are right. We’ll see what her idea of love really is.
#20 – Good idea! Yes, I must go back to the description of Gil. **uses Nook search** Oh, “Gil of the Golden Eyes” and Sparrow calls her “lumber hulk” and “hulking bandyscatch” – which I already said I can’t find. “…a clear view of the terrible, ravaging scar that distorted the left side of his face. He too could not boast of an inch of excess flesh, but his was a wiry trimness not thinned by starvation or deprivation.” Killed her father? Hmmmm. Interesting.
#21 – True!

You sure were lucky with the chapter Shell's Bells, and great questions BTW!
18. WTF? Nicolaa has a son and the real Lucien is the father? I knew she was a cold hearted snake, but this is a new low! Do you think Eduard was conceived in love or has Nicolaa always been a b*tch? What do you think Etienne has planned for him? I doubt Eduard was conceived in love, and she’s definitely a biatch! I think at the moment, Etienne is unsure what to do, possibly buying himself some more thinking time by having someone collect the ransom amount.
19. Uh-oh! Etienne and Nicolaa seem to be fraying a bit. Etienne admits he first only wanted her because she was with Lucien, but he did save her from the arrow. Does he really care for her after all these years? Nicolaa is super selfish, but do you think she was about to admit her undying love before she thought better of it? Will they fall on the swords together or do you think they'd sell each other out to save their own hides? Hmm, that’s a hard one. I wouldn’t be surprised if Etienne felt a selfish, lustful sort of affection for her, but ultimately he is too selfish and ambitious to let her get in his way. Yes, she was about to say the L word and managed to stop herself. It’ll be all out to save themselves, methinks, rather than each other.
20. I was right! Gil is the sneak! But what a minute! Gil is really Gillian, he is really a she! Did you see that coming? I get the feeling that besides the scar to the face there is more of a reason for Gil wanting to kill Nicolaa. Thoughts? No way did I see that coming! Brilliant! Maybe Nicolaa took someone away from Gil or killed someone she loved.. the plot thickens!
21. And sort of an afterthought, all this travel the two parties are doing/have done, what do you think it was like to be a servant back then? Can you imagine hauling around large tents, food and a trestle table for crying out loud? No, but then in reading historicals, we rarely imagine the drudgery of life in those times, only the nobility and simplicity.

#18 - Ah! I'll go with the buying more time theory.
#19 - MM! :)
#20 - So you and Shelly both think a family member... hmmmm...
#21 - True.




(BTW, I'm on "little polka-dot" tonight; can you tell?)

Questions for chapters 12 & 13
22. I'm impressed with Friar Alaric's skills with a sword. Did you expect him to be good enough to beat the Wolf?
23. And they got their grind on. What did you think of the smut and how it was written? Too purple prose, too long or short, good, bad, indifferent?
24. Do you think the Wolf has reason to be worried about Servanne in regards to the Dragon?
25. Looks like they've got company coming. Think everyone will get away?



22. I'm impressed with Friar Alaric's skills with a sword. Did you expect him to be good enough to beat the Wolf?
I was a bit surprised he did; however, it helped banish the “Friar Tuck” image from my mind, LOL!
23. And they got their grind on. What did you think of the smut and how it was written? Too purple prose, too long or short, good, bad, indifferent?
Wasn’t too “purple” for me and I thought it was well written. Maybe it is not too “purple” for me b/c I started reading romances in the 70s. Surprised it went on as long as it did. However, there was this nice little break where I thought it would end and it didn’t, so that was a nice change of pace from other romance books. But this all leads back to the question as to why she didn’t know she hadn’t been ravished earlier. She wasn’t a true “virgin” and should have known how to look for “evidence.”
24. Do you think the Wolf has reason to be worried about Servanne in regards to the Dragon?
Yup. I think he is!
25. Looks like they've got company coming. Think everyone will get away?
What a place to stop the book! You and I know how to pick those places, don’t we, Sans? LOL! I hope they all get away and that Servanne gets some clothes on.

You won't be officially behind until tomorrow, CaroB. :) We are doing every other day posting, so you have a little lag time. :)


Questions for Chapters 8 & 9
18. Biddy is a great comedic relief! What did you make of her statement about expecting wanton behavior from "plain women, common women, trulls and whores" as if discretion, control and beauty are interchangeable? Are you enjoying the humor, or is it too tongue-in-cheek? Do you think it makes a good contrast to the darker aspects of this book?
I can't decide if I'm insulted by Biddy's remark or if it's funny. I've been more impressed with the Black Wolf's dry sarcasm than the tongue-in-cheek humor. I don't think the humor is really balancing the darker themes in the book.
19. Have you ever fainted? Is it possible to faint for over an hour? If Servanne had been a virgin, it may have been more understandable for her to have doubts as to whether she'd been violated, but given she's a widow, do you think her doubts are unrealistic? Wouldn't she know what *smirk* "evidence" to look for?
I've passed out from dehydration and being sick or having a fever a couple of times, but not fainted in a feminine swoon. When I was sick, I passed out at my computer and woke up a couple days later in bed. Don't remember anything that happened during that time. Given what her late husband did and how much older he was, I wasn't terribly surprised she had her doubts about having an offering left on her thighs. He may have had troubles sending his little sailors off to conquer her moist grotto. And given the fact she never became pregnant...*shrugs* I can understand it. But sure as sh*t, she should have felt sore when she woke up.
20. Were you surprised by how observant Servanne is proving to be? Not only is she questioning the holes in his story, but also to have come to the conclusions she has of the Black Wolf, proves that she's definitely not TSTL! Why, then, does she not think before she reacts??? BTW, well done on the guess Lisa Kay!! You picked the realtionship between the two Luciens:-)
I do have to give her credit about her observations on the Black Wolf. She's not totally TSTL, but she's still got her moments.
21. I am blown away with how easily Sparrow advises rape. Comments?
That was scary. >_< Very much in keeping with the attitude of the day, but still. Tipped me over from being amused by him to hoping he'd get clocked by Gil a few times.
22. Who do you think is the traitor leaving camp?
I had no idea!
Questions for Chapters 10 & 11
18. WTF? Nicolaa has a son and the real Lucien is the father? I knew she was a cold hearted snake, but this is a new low! Do you think Eduard was conceived in love or has Nicolaa always been a b*tch? What do you think Etienne has planned for him?
Nicolaa wouldn't know love if it gave her the smackdown and a nasty case of syphilis. I think Etienne is using Eduard as a substitute for Lucien and takes pleasure in being cruel to him.
19. Uh-oh! Etienne and Nicolaa seem to be fraying a bit. Etienne admits he first only wanted her because she was with Lucien, but he did save her from the arrow. Does he really care for her after all these years? Nicolaa is super selfish, but do you think she was about to admit her undying love before she thought better of it? Will they fall on the swords together or do you think they'd sell each other out to save their own hides?
No, I don't think he cares for her at all. I think he still has plans for Nicolaa and didn't want those to get jacked up. I think she was going to say she loves Etienne, but it's actually obsession, and they'd sell each other out if it would benefit them.
20. I was right! Gil is the sneak! But what a minute! Gil is really Gillian, he is really a she! Did you see that coming? I get the feeling that besides the scar to the face there is more of a reason for Gil wanting to kill Nicolaa. Thoughts?
I didn't see it coming at all. Should have from the prologue though! Gil definitely has more than a scar to pay Nicolaa back for. I'm thinking she probably killed Gil's mom or something. She's tortured and killed servants before!
21. And sort of an afterthought, all this travel the two parties are doing/have done, what do you think it was like to be a servant back then? Can you imagine hauling around large tents, food and a trestle table for crying out loud?
I can't. At all. I'm way to soft and too modern to imagine it.
Questions for Chapters 12 & 13
22. I'm impressed with Friar Alaric's skills with a sword. Did you expect him to be good enough to beat the Wolf?
I keep thinking he's Friar Tuck from the Robin Hood movies. A very large, very jovial and drunk dude. I need to remember that "Robin Hood" isn't an actual character in these books!
23. And they got their grind on. What did you think of the smut and how it was written? Too purple prose, too long or short, good, bad, indifferent?
It was done really well, IMO. I liked it, it was very different from most of the romance books I've read. I didn't start with the old skools like a lot of readers, so the purple is new to me and I can't really compare it with anything.
24. Do you think the Wolf has reason to be worried about Servanne in regards to the Dragon?
*scratches head* I'm not sure what I meant by this question anymore! That's what I get for posting at 2:30am in a food coma after an Inspector Lewis marathon. ~_~
25. Looks like they've got company coming. Think everyone will get away?
I think so. They've got to have contingency plans and escape hatches.

#19 - Two days!!! O.M.G. Sugar Bean!
“He may have had troubles sending his little sailors off to conquer her moist grotto…. should have felt sore when she woke up.”
God, I’m glad you’re back, LOL!
#21 – LOL!
#18b – LOL! Have you been watching WWF? Poor Eduard.
#19b- Too true.
#20 – Her mom!?
#21b. – Man-oh-man! Just think of the calories these people burned.
#22 – I’ve had the same problem with Alaric. I think Robin comes into the series later on.
#24 – That’s okay, Sans. I assumed you were calling Etienne the Dragon.

19. Yeah, that was one nasty flu. My mom said I was conscious part of the time and they got me to drink and to the bathroom, but I'll be damned if I can remember it!
LOL!! I've missed you guys. ^o^
18b. LOL! No, but I have caught a few minutes of UFC on occasion.
20. You don't think so? Or did I miss something?
21b. Right? And I have a hard time getting my arse down to the gym on a regular basis. ~_~
22. Glad I'm not the only one battling preconceived visuals! (Exact same problem I had in Wicked Intentions, only instead of a jolly fat guy, I was seeing Prince George from Blackadder III.)
24. I finally realized what I was trying to say! Yes, I think Lucien has cause to worry about Servanne's safety with Etienne. There we go. ~_~

#19 – I bet you had a doozy of a fever. I’ve had patients with high grade temps and I come back the next night and they hadn’t a clue who I was. You probably should have been in the hospital with an IV running wide open.
#20 – I don’t know. But I do think a relative is involved.
#21 – I LOVE the Blackadder shows, LOL!
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Awww. I wanted to surprise you. But, you got to it before me, LOL! Pretty funny. :) Mind meld.


Questions for Chapters 14-15
26. The Wolf without his weapons? Not good. And do you blame Servanne for feeling hurt at his callous statement that, with luck, she would depart his company? And later, when he was so cruel in front of Etienne, did you know what he was doing?
27. What surprised you more? That Nicolaa donned armor? She slept with Sir Aubrey de Vere? Or that Eduard called Etienne “father”?
28. “They rode through the dark mist, and, as if there was not enough grief to contend with, the skies cracked open on a jagged fork of blue-white lightning and after a few moments of thunderous sound without fury, the deluge soaked its way through the overhead branches and began pelting the earth with icy lancets of rain.”
Well, there’s the passage with the title of the book. Ms. Canham did this is the other book I read of hers. Quite Hitchcockian of her, no? How do you interpret its meaning?
29. Royal intrigue! And, the plot thickens; is it holding your interest? Will Lady Servanne divulge the “trustworthiness” of La Seyne Sur Mer?


I have that one lined up as an alternative on one of my challenges.

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22. I'm impressed with Friar Alaric's skills with a sword. Did you expect him to be good enough to beat the Wolf? No, this came as a surprise. He’s introduced as more of a gentleman than the rest of the troupe, so didn’t equate him as a fighter.
23. And they got their grind on. What did you think of the smut and how it was written? Too purple prose, too long or short, good, bad, indifferent? Lol! It did have purple patches, vague and evocative at the same time. But strangely in keeping with the authenticity of the period-read.
24. Do you think the Wolf has reason to be worried about Servanne in regards to the Dragon? Yes! She is so naïve about the dangers. And she’s stubborn and proud at the wrong moments.
25. Looks like they've got company coming. Think everyone will get away? Yes, I’m hoping so

26. The Wolf without his weapons? Not good. And do you blame Servanne for feeling hurt at his callous statement that, with luck, she would depart his company? And later, when he was so cruel in front of Etienne, did you know what he was doing? I understood the necessity, one of those rare times when I can so clearly see both sides of the story and empathise with both. Were I in Servanne’s position, I would’ve lashed out too at the humiliation.
27. What surprised you more? That Nicolaa donned armor? She slept with Sir Aubrey de Vere? Or that Eduard called Etienne “father”? lol, It wouldn’t surprised me who that woman slept with now, so it was mostly the donning of the armour that surprised me. I wasn’t aware that Eduard thought of Etienne as his father so wasn’t expecting that either.
28. “They rode through the dark mist, and, as if there was not enough grief to contend with, the skies cracked open on a jagged fork of blue-white lightning and after a few moments of thunderous sound without fury, the deluge soaked its way through the overhead branches and began pelting the earth with icy lancets of rain.”
Well, there’s the passage with the title of the book. Ms. Canham did this is the other book I read of hers. Quite Hitchcockian of her, no? How do you interpret its meaning? Brilliant question Lisa! I’m assuming it refers to things not being clear, or not being what they seem. This relates at the moment to how the Wolf is representing himself to Servanne, but in the book as a whole, maybe more about the characters having to feel their way safely into a situation because there may be dangers they can’t see clearly… hmmm, I could ponder this for a while…
29. Royal intrigue! And, the plot thickens; is it holding your interest? Will Lady Servanne divulge the “trustworthiness” of La Seyne Sur Mer? I don’t think she’ll divulge. I think she’ll make some of those uncanny observations you don’t expect from her and hold her tongue. I’m interested to know how they get from here to where they were in the prologue and how that scene plays out….

26. The Wolf without his weapons? Not good. And do you blame Servanne for feeling hurt at his callous statement that, with luck, she would depart his company? And later, when he was so cruel in front of Etienne, did you know what he was doing?
I don't blame her but I'm not surprised he was such an asshat. I knew what he was doing, I'm just wondering how long it will take Servanne to figure it out.
27. What surprised you more? That Nicolaa donned armor? She slept with Sir Aubrey de Vere? Or that Eduard called Etienne “father”?
That Eduard called Etienne "father". The kid had to know how that was going to end up. :(
28. “They rode through the dark mist, and, as if there was not enough grief to contend with, the skies cracked open on a jagged fork of blue-white lightning and after a few moments of thunderous sound without fury, the deluge soaked its way through the overhead branches and began pelting the earth with icy lancets of rain.”
Well, there’s the passage with the title of the book. Ms. Canham did this is the other book I read of hers. Quite Hitchcockian of her, no? How do you interpret its meaning?
Er, I'll get back to you on that after I've had my daily injection of caffeine.
29. Royal intrigue! And, the plot thickens; is it holding your interest? Will Lady Servanne divulge the “trustworthiness” of La Seyne Sur Mer?
It is! I think she's wary enough of everyone at this point to keep herself to herself and not share any details. She doesn't know who to trust anymore and she doesn't strike me as the type to go blabbing to everyone. She'll lash out, but she knows other people's safety is at stake.

#22 – That’s right! OMG! I somehow forgot he was a “gentleman” – I think the Ghost of Friar Tuck was interfering with my image of him at that time, LOL!
#23- Purple patches? I love it. :o)
#24 – Man-oh-man! You hit the nail on the head about Servanne.
#26 – I was a little hurt and bewildered, along with Servanne, with his sudden coolness at the warm springs. (I’ve said it b/f – I identify too closely with my heroines!) But I totally was clued in to what he was doing when he sent her back to Etienne. Worked too, as I thought it was brutal.
#27 – LOL! You’ve captured Nicolaa’s personality too. I was surprised that Eduard thought Etienne was his father.
#28 – Thank you. :o) It does make me ponder too… like you, the current situation, and the book as a whole. Love the “thunderous sound without fury”. Reminds me of Macbeth's soliloquy, Act 5, Scene 5, by William Shakespeare:
"Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,Yes, I would say Ms. Canham’s tongue is firmly in her cheek, LOL!
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
#29 – I hope so! And I do too.

#26 – I have to admit, I believed his asshattedness. **sighs and hangs head in shame** At least at first. Too soon after the consummation and my feelings were still tender. Hopefully Servanne is smarter than me.
#27 – Mind Meld!
#28 – LMAO! I am consistently amazed that you even try to answer these questions w/o benefit of caffeine.
#29 – Great! I’m so glad. :o) Ah, you and CaroB have such faith in her! Hopefully she will think of the safety of others.

26. I can totally see why you'd believe it! I was glad he explained his reasons to Alaric.
28. Or vodka. ^_~
29. I really hope so, otherwise she's going right back in the TSTL pile.


28. Double up - go with a coffee liqueur :-P
29. I'm with you there! I don't know if it's faith in her or more along the "surely she couldn't be that stupid" feelings!

#26 - Thanks for understanding! **sighs**
#29 - "TSTL pile" - Oh, I love it! I may steal that one from you. I'll try to remember to credit you, but I'm old...BAAAHAA!

Me too! Love Shakespeare. I felt like the only one in high-school who did. Ah, youth. :o)
I remember when my ex and I watched Much Ado About Nothing and Michael Keaton played Dogberry, the local constable. My ex said he had to be add-libbing. (It was too witty.) I quickly got out my Shakespear and showed him the text. Such fun!

Oh, I just recently watched that Much Ado with Michael Keaton, and was just laughing so hard! It was great!!!
And I will post all answers to what I haven't answered tomorrow!
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