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Aug 23, 2011 07:21PM
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In another thread, Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "By the way, Liz, how is that random generator for the list books going to work? I sort of like the lists, but I'd rather be able to choose my book. Then again, I have either the Pulitzer of the 1001 that could pretty much hit on anything...." Exactly.
That's why you have to reeallly like the list you have chosen. For me, the point of the task is that I have several lists for which I planning to read all the books included. The idea of using a random number generator is that perhaps it will select a book I was consciously (or unconsciously) avoiding, with the hope that I would discover that the dreaded Virginia Woolf is actually delightful.
Of course you are on your honor with this one; I will have no way to confirm that the book posted was actually randomly selected. I also assume that if the random book is not available in English or not readily accessible that you will try again.
Hmm, that turned into quite the essay, didn't it? Must be time to go home.
The list I am working through, I am trying to read them chronologically. Could that work instead of at random?
Coralie wrote: "The list I am working through, I am trying to read them chronologically. Could that work instead of at random?"Unfortunately, no.
On task 10.7, does it have to be a middle eastern country? Could it be on non-middle eastern country that is predominantly Muslim, such as Pakistan or Indonesia? And do you consider Turkey middle-eastern or not (some people do and some don't)?
I want to use this list, since I've been working through it for a while. http://als.lib.wi.us/Collegebound.html
I'm making a spreadsheet of all the books so they're numbered. My problem is that they have Shakespeare and Shaw listed like this-
Shakespeare, William- Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, Macbeth, Twelfth Night, others.
Shaw, Bernard- Man and Superman, Saint Joan, Pygmalion, others.
Should I just ignore the "others," or should I include all of Shakespeare's and Shaw's plays in my spreadsheet?
Rhea wrote: "I want to use this list, since I've been working through it for a while. http://als.lib.wi.us/Collegebound.html
I'm making a spreadsheet of all the books so they're numbered. My problem is that t..."
Wow, that looks like a great list. Ideally, the Shakespeare & Shaw plays should be listed individually, but maybe only bother with the ones that are 100+ pages. Or you can do what is easiest & hope you don't randomly select "the complete works of..." ;)
itpdx wrote: "On task 10.7, does it have to be a middle eastern country? Could it be on non-middle eastern country that is predominantly Muslim, such as Pakistan or Indonesia? And do you consider Turkey middle-eastern or not (some people do and some don't)?"I reposted this question in the 10.7 task thread. Hopefully Rebekah will answer it shortly.
Thank you. I leave for school tomorrow, and I wanted to roll before I leave because I own some of the books on the list. I rolled a couple of times in case I want to do the task more than once. I got-
Poems by William Butler Yeats
Mythology by Edith Hamilton
Battle Cry of Freedom by James M. McPherson
King Lear by Shakespeare
Except for the William Butler those books are really good. I haven't read the Butler. What task uses the specific lists where you have to randomly choose a book? I can't find it in the RWS Task Overview.
Jayme, it's in one of the polls, and is winning by a big enough margin I'm assuming we're going to get it.
okay because I was confused.
I can see why. I was just anticipating. ;-)
Along with the anticipation of the list challenge winning, I did three random numbers this am and one of the books is only 80 pages (poetry). Do I go with that or do the random generator again? Thanks,Eager Beaver;)
Karen GHHS wrote: "Along with the anticipation of the list challenge winning, I did three random numbers this am and one of the books is only 80 pages (poetry). Do I go with that or do the random generator again? Tha..."What is the book of poetry?
I'm using the Printz Honor Books List and it's Heart to Heart: New Poems Inspired by Twentieth-century American Art
A lot of pages have artwork, too. My guess is I should pick another number but I don't want to cheat;)
For 10.1 and 10.2 is this my own choice or a group read?Thank you.
It looks like the 5 star rating task will also win the poll and I have a question before the final vote tallies. If I follow the directions in the task for searching for a particular book, it takes me just to the books the group is reading or has read. Then I can search a title and look for the 5 star rating. This works fine, but limits us to group reads. Is that the task, or can it be any book a member has rated 5 stars? If it's any book read by a member that has 5 stars is there any way to search titles that is easier than looking at each member's ratings? It's fun to look through the lists, but I'm just checking!
It is not just group reads, but any book another RWS member has rated 5 stars. You can search for specific titles, but not 5 star reads in general.For a specific title: enter the book name in the search field to the upper left of the group's bookshelves (not the search field at the top of the page). Your result list will include a link "See Group Reviews" which will take you to all of us who have shelved that book including our ratings.
For 5 star reads of a specific member: Click on members to find the one whose shelves you want to search. On their Read shelf you can sort by rating so that all the 5-star reads are at the top and together.
Thank you so much! It's working for me now.
And be sure to run it for all of your reads. This task is great for combo points! ;-)
I was noticing that as I browsed through the individual shelves and now, with your help, it's going to be a lot easier to find them and claim them!
For the 10.5- Bedtime Stories, I found an easier way than searching through all the pages.Search this in Google-
"in bed" site:http://www.goodreads.com/interviews/s...
along with the title of the book you want.
For example-
Wuthering Heights "in bed" site:http://www.goodreads.com/interviews/s...
returns that Betty White recommended Wuthering Heights.
Did you see 20.10 is now posted? We are getting so close! Great challenge, moderators!
I'm a little behind with finalizing my task, posting the tasks from the polls. But now that Irene has left me, I should have time to answer questions, finish my task, etc.
I'm glad the storm has passed by and that those in the path can start getting back to normal. Our nephew just returned to NYC, but made it through fine. I'm glad you came through it ok, Liz and same to any other members who had to go through it. No worries - waiting just keeps the anticipation high!
I've been thinking about you, Liz. Especially since I just saw photos of streets in Brooklyn. It looks like a timber salvage area.
Liz M wrote: "I'm a little behind with finalizing my task, posting the tasks from the polls. But now that Irene has left me, I should have time to answer questions, finish my task, etc."Glad to hear you're safe!!
For the task where we have to read of a list, can we use our personal reading list?
Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "For the task where we have to read of a list, can we use our personal reading list?"Unfortunately, no.
Karen GHHS wrote: "Along with the anticipation of the list challenge winning, I did three random numbers this am and one of the books is only 80 pages (poetry). Do I go with that or do the random generator again? Thanks..."Please pick another book as this one does not meet page requirements (and the pages are mostly pictures). Looks fascinating though!
Shannon wrote: "For 10.1 and 10.2 is this my own choice or a group read?Thank you."
10.1 & 10.2 are group choice, as voted on in the polls. The polls are closed, but I haven't had time to post the winning tasks yet.
Rhea wrote: "For the 10.5- Bedtime Stories, I found an easier way than searching through all the pages.Search this in Google-
"in bed" site:http://www.goodreads.com/interviews/s...
along with the title of ..."
Excellent! This will a great help when searching for combo points. I do, however, look forward to browsing through to see which authors have recommended which books.
Liz M wrote: "Karen GHHS wrote: "Along with the anticipation of the list challenge winning, I did three random numbers this am and one of the books is only 80 pages (poetry). Do I go with that or do the random g..."Thanks, Liz - I did it again and ended up with a great third choice!
It would be helpful (and fun!) if y'all post links to the lists being used for the list challenge. (The lists I've been using aren't numbered .......)
Deedee wrote: "It would be helpful (and fun!) if y'all post links to the lists being used for the list challenge. (The lists I've been using aren't numbered .......)"So, which lists have you been using?
1001 books to read before you die: http://1001beforeyoudie.com/ I like the search options on ithttp://www.locusmag.com/SFAwards/inde...
lists Science Fiction and Fantasy Awards, and sorts them by award, year, and won or nominated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...
Booker Prize: winners and shortlisted
And ... none of them are numbered!!
I know there are numbered lists out there, which is why I made my earlier post.
Free 1001 Books spreadsheet, 2010 edition, in order of publication - newest to oldest1001 Books List, 2010 edition, in no discernible order.
For the Booker list you linked to, you can consider Something to Answer For as #1, Bruno's Dream as #10, The Big Chapel as #20, and so on.
If you have a list of books, I assume it can be put into an order whether by year (published, award won) or alphabetical (by title, by author). If it can be put into an order, it can be numbered.
Does this make sense?
How would combo points work for 10.1? If your book is on the list, can you count it for combo points?
Rachel Lee wrote: "How would combo points work for 10.1? If your book is on the list, can you count it for combo points?"Ah, nice catch. I forgot to add the "no combo points" disclaimer in the task overview.
For 10.8- Karen's Task, are you allowed to vote for a book yourself?For the last list that kind of isn't honest at all, but for the other lists it would be possible to bump a book up into the required ranking.
Rhea wrote: "For 10.8- Karen's Task, are you allowed to vote for a book yourself?For the last list that kind of isn't honest at all, but for the other lists it would be possible to bump a book up into the req..."
I chose the cut-off number for each list to ensure that the books included already had two or more votes. When I voted on a book in the mid-80s, it was only bumped into the low 50s. So any book that is voted on to bump up into the required ranking probably still fits the task. I leave to y'all to decide whether or not to vote on the lists.
Rhea wrote: "For 10.8- Karen's Task, are you allowed to vote for a book yourself?For the last list that kind of isn't honest at all, but for the other lists it would be possible to bump a book up into the req..."
When I looked at the lists for 10.8, I see that I had already voted on the _Literature of Social Change_ one, probably when another group was using that list.
Liz M wrote: "In another thread, Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "By the way, Liz, how is that random generator for the list books going to work? I sort of like the lists, but I'd rather be able to choose my book. The..."Okay, is this how it works? If i wanted to use the ManBooker prize books for example. Do I make a list in chronilogical order, then assign numbers to them and use the random generator to see which books' number comes up? What if I want to finishe up the list but i get a book that I've already read?
Rebekah wrote: "Okay, is this how it works? If i wanted to use the ManBooker prize books for example. Do I make a list in chronilogical order, then assign numbers to them and use the random generator to see which books' number comes up?..."That's exactly right.
Rebekah wrote: "What if I want to finish up the list but i get a book that I've already read?..."
No re-reads are allowed, so you'd generate a new number to have a different book selected. (And I suppose repeat until you do land on an unread book).
Liz M wrote: "Rebekah wrote: "Okay, is this how it works? If i wanted to use the ManBooker prize books for example. Do I make a list in chronilogical order, then assign numbers to them and use the random generat..."got it
Rhea wrote: "I want to use this list, since I've been working through it for a while. http://als.lib.wi.us/Collegebound.html
I'm making a spreadsheet of all the books so they're numbered. My problem is that t..."
This list would be good to use for the Literature tasks in the BtS sub challenge
ManBooker prize1. 2010 The Finkler Question - Howard Jacobson
2. 2009 Wolf Hall - Hilary Martel
3. 2008 The White Tiger - Aravind Adiga
4. 2007 A Gathering - Anne Enright
5. 2006 The Inheritance of Loss - Kiran Desai
6. 2005 The Sea - John Banville
7. 2004 The Line of Beauty - Alan Hollinghurst
8. 2003 Vernon God Little - D. B. C. Pierre
9. 2002 Life of Pi - Yann Martel
10. 2001 True History of the Kelly Gang - Peter Carey
11. 2000 The Blind Assassin - Margaret Atwood
12. 1999 Disgrace - J. M. Coetzee
13. 1998 Amsterdam - Ian McEwan
14. 1997 The God of Small Things - Arundhati Roy
15. 1996 Last Orders - Graham Swift
16. 1995 The Ghost Road - Pat Barker
17. 1994 How Late It Was, How Late - James Kelman
18. 1993 Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha - Roddy Doyle
19. 1992 The English Patient - Michael Odaatje
20. 1992 Sacred Hunger - Barry Unsworth
21. 1991 The Famished Road Ben Okri
22. 1990 Possession A. S - . Byatt
23. 1989 The Remains of the Day - Kazou Ishiguro
24. 1988 Oscar and Lucinda - Peter Carey
25. 1987 Moon Tiger - Penelope Lively
26. 1986 The Old Devils - Kingsley Amis
27. 1985 The Bone People - Keri Hulme
28. 1984 Hotel de Lac - Anita Brookner
29. 1983 Life and Times of Michael K. - J. M. Coetzee^
30. 1982 Schindler’s Ark - Thomas Keneally
31. 1981 Midnight’s Children - Salman Rushdie
32. 1980 Rites of Passage - William Golding
33. 1979 Offshore - Penelope Fitzgerald
34. 1978 The Sea, the Sea - Iris Murdoch
35. 1977 Staying On - Paul Scott
36. 1976 Saville David Storey
37. 1975 Heat and Dust - Ruth Prawer Jhabvala
38. 1974 Holiday - Stanley Middleton
39. 1974 The Conservationist - Nadine Gordimer
40. 1973 The Siege of Krishnapur - J. G. Farrell
41. 1972 G - John Berger
42. 1971 In a Free State - V. S. Naipaul
43. 1970 An Elected Member - Bernice Rubens
44. 1969 Something to Answer For - P. H. Newby
L45. Lost year Troubles - J. G. Farrell
National Book Award (Fiction)1.2010 Lord of Misrule - Jaimy Gordon
2.2009 Let the Great World Spin - Colum McCann
3.2008 Shadow Country - Peter Matthiessen
4.2007 Tree of Smoke - Denis Johnson
5.2006 The Echo Maker - Richard Powers
6.2005 Europe Central - William T. Vollmann
7.2004 The News From Paraguay - Lily Tuck
8.2003 The Great Fire - Shirley Hazzard
9.2002 Three Junes - Julia Glass
10.2001 The Corrections - Jonathan Franzen
11.2000 In America - Susan Sontag
12.1999 Waiting - Ha Jin
13.1998 Charming Billy - Alice McDermott
14.1997 Cold Mountain - Charles Frazier
15.1996 Ship Fever - Andrea Barrett
16.1995 Sabbath’s Theater - Philip Roth
17.1994 A Frolic of His Own - William Gaddis
18.1993 The Shipping News - E. Annie Proulx
19.1992 All the Pretty Horses - Cormac McCarthy
20.1991 Mating - Norman Rush
21.1990 Middle Passage - Charles Johnson
22.1989 Spartina - John Casey
23.1988 Paris Trout - Pete Dexter
24.1987 Paco’s Storey - Larry Heinemann
25.1986 World’s Fair - E.L. Doctorow
26.1985 White Noise - Don DeLillo
27.1984 Victory Over Japan: A Book of Stories - Ellen Gilchrist
28.1983 The Color Purple - Alice Walker
29.1983 Collected Stories of Eudora Welty - Eudora Welty
30.1982 Rabbit is Rich - John Updike
31.1982 So Long, See You Tomorrow - William Maxwell
32.1981 Plains Songs - Wright Morris
33.1981 The Stories of John Cheever - John Cheever
34.1980 Sophie’s Choice - William Styron
35.1980 The World According to Garp - John Irving
36.1979 Going After Cacciato - Tim O’Brien
37.1978 Blood Ties - Mary Lee Settle
38.1977 The Spectator Bird - Wallace Stegner
39.1976 Jr - William Gaddis
40.1976 Dog Soldiers - Robert Stone
41.1976 The Hair of Harold Roux - Thomas Williams
42.1974 Gravity’s Rainbow - Thomas Pynchon
43.1974 A Crown of Feathers and Other Stories - Isaac Bashevis Singer^
44.1973 Chimera - John Barth
45.1973 Augustus - John Williams
46.1972 The Complete Stories of Flannery O’Connor - Flannery O’Connor
47.1971 Mr. Sammler’s Planet - Saul Bellow
48.1970 Them - Joyce Carol Oates
49.1969 Steps - Jerzy Kosinski
50.1968 The Eighth Day - Thornton Wilder
51.1967 The Fixer - Bernard Malamud
52.1966 The Collected Stories of Katherine Anne Porter - Katherine Anne Porter
53.1965 Herzog - Saul Bellow^
54.1964 The Centaur - John Updike
55.1963 Morte D’Urban - J. F. Powers
56.1962 The Moviegoer - Walker Percy
57.1961 The Waters of Kronos - Conrad Richter
58.1960 Goodbye, Columbus - Philip Roth
59.1959 The Magic Barrel - Bernard Malamud
60.1958 The Wapshot Chronicle - John Cheever
61.1957 The Field of Vision - Wright Morris
62.1956 Ten North Frederick - John O’Hara
63.1955 A Fable - William Faulkner^
64.1954 The Adventures of Augie March - Saul Bellow^
65.1953 Invisible Man - Ralph Ellison
66.1952 From Here to Eternity - James Jones
67.1951 The Collected Stories of William Faulkner - William Faulkner^
68.1950 The Man With the Golden Arm - Nelson Algren
National book Critics Circle Award (Fiction)1. 2010 A Visit from the Goon Squad Jennifer Egan
2. 2009 Wolf Hall Hilary Martel
3. 2008 2666 Roberto Bolano
4. 2007 The Brief & Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao Junot Diaz
5. 2006 The Inheritance of Loss* Kiran Desai
6. 2005 The March+ E. L. Doctorow
7. 2004 Gilead* Marilynne Robinson
8. 2003 The Known World* Edward P. Jones
9. 2002 Atonement* Ian McEwan
10. 2001 Austerlitz W. G. Sebald
11. 2000 Being Dead Jim Crace
12. 1999 Motherless Brooklyn Jonathan Lethem
13. 1998 The Love of a Good Woman Alice Munro
14. 1997 The Blue Flower Penelope Fitzgerald
15. 1996 Women in Their Beds Gina Berriault
16. 1995 Mrs. Ted Bliss Stanley Elkin
17. 1994 The Stone Diaries Carol Shields
18. 1993 A Lesson Before Dying Ernest J.Gaines
19. 1992 All the Pretty Horses*+ Cormac McCarthy
20. 1991 A Thousand Acres* Jane Smiley
21. 1990 Rabbit at Rest*+ John Updike
22. 1989 Billy Bathgate+ E.L. Doctorow
23. 1988 The Middleman and Other Stories Bharati Mukherjee
24. 1987 The Counterlife Philip Roth
25. 1986 Kate Vaiden Reynolds Price
26. 1985 The Accidental Tourist Anne Tyler
27. 1984 Love Medicine Louise Erdrich
28. 1983 Ironweed*+ William Kennedy
29. 1982 George Mills Stanley Elkin
30. 1981 Rabbit is Rich+ John Updike
31. 1979 The Transit of Venus Shirley Hazzard
32. 1978 The Year of the French Thomas Flanagan
33. 1977 The Stories of John Cheever+ John Cheever
34. 1976 Song of Solomon Toni Morrison
35. 1975 October Light John C, Gardner
36. 1974 Ragtime E.L. Doctorow
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