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Who should Luce be with??
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I like Miles for Luce.
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I'd prefer the cam, luce, daniel triangle because the book would've been more interesting. I love miles because he's sweet, funny, shy, and adorable but i dont think a mile, daniel, luce triangle would work. while reading the book i hoped mile and luce would just stay friends. although i really like cam I think luce and daniel deserves to be together after everything that they've been through. Daniel watched the love of his life die for so many times so he does deserve luce. but i also love cam because he so care free and hot.
Areeba wrote: "Monisa wrote: "daniel ofcourse!"I so agree! Isn't it obvious? Daniel gave up so much for Luce and now if she turns her back on him; there's no point in their past."
thats so true even though i love cam
Daniel and Luce are forever soul mates, nothing and noone can change that, not mild-Miles or Psycho-Cam. Cam has had his share of heartbreak...but nothing to do with Luce...and nothing compared to what Daniel has faced.
but i dont get it because in the end of fallen cam tells daniel that "i just want her. you know why". but i dont know why. does cam want her because he also has feelings for luce or some other reason.
daniel if he tells the truth!!!
Bookaholic wrote: "Danial. His love is kinda like true love. I mean he followed her through all those past times and personally I thought this was a good effort."Definitely.
Anonymous wrote: "but i dont get it because in the end of fallen cam tells daniel that "i just want her. you know why". but i dont know why. does cam want her because he also has feelings for luce or some other reason."Cam wants her because she's a pawn in which side will come out the winner.
I think Daniel because he does whatever he can to pretect her. Daniel should give resons way though.
Victoria wrote: "I think Daniel because he does whatever he can to pretect her. Daniel should give resons way though."he can't. He's too afraid that too much information will kill her like it did in all of her other lives. Which it very well could.
luce should stay with daniel. even though he doesn't tell her everything, he only does it to protect her. he has her best interests at heart. TEAM DANIEL <3 <3 <3
Luce has to be with Daniel Or Cam. Not Miles, miles shuld get paired up wiv Shelby
Daniel , how could there be any different ?
Daniel. Always. <3
Daniel for Luce, always. Readers can choose who they love more in the series, but having other than Daniel for Luce is totally absurd, especially if you read the books.
Anonymous wrote: "but i dont get it because in the end of fallen cam tells daniel that "i just want her. you know why". but i dont know why. does cam want her because he also has feelings for luce or some other reason."Cam wanted to change their fate, the fallen angels fate, by trying to do something that will cause something more than simply repeating the same fate. The fallen angels' fate is attached to Daniel and Luce's fate.
But Daniel and others are against the idea. For Daniel, it is something that he will never do, for if something is deliberately changed, he might lose Luce forever as its cost.
If what Daniel is doing has everything to do with Luce's existence, Cam is not always content with that. And Cam is quite selfish sometimes to be able to think about something without considering others.
Nurlely wrote: "Anonymous wrote: "but i dont get it because in the end of fallen cam tells daniel that "i just want her. you know why". but i dont know why. does cam want her because he also has feelings for luce ..."If you read that hiden chapter about Cam in Torment, Cam goes hunting, you see that the author writes something about how the Outcast are a threat to everything that matters most to him. If you ask me, I think Daniel is selfish compared to Cam.
Lupe wrote: "If you read that hiden chapter about Cam in Torment, Cam goes hunting, you see that the author writes something about how the Outcast are a threat to everything that matters most to him. If you ask me, I think Daniel is selfish compared to Cam."I think we have different opinion to the story. Daniel is the good one, and Cam with the evil one. Both stood firmly with their decision because of girls. Daniel chose Luce before Heaven and was cursed for that. Cam left Heaven and chose Lucifer with hesitation. But when Lilith left him, he set his heart for the evil side right away.
If Daniel has been a selfish one, he would side Heaven or Hell and ignored the results. But he did not.
Cam, on the other hand, tried to lure Luce and ignored what would happen as a result, simply because he could not stand the same fate the fallen angels were facing.
Your 'selfish' word really has different meaning to the actual one.
Nurlely wrote: "Lupe wrote: "If you read that hiden chapter about Cam in Torment, Cam goes hunting, you see that the author writes something about how the Outcast are a threat to everything that matters most to hi..."Whoa whoa whoa! I have nothing against Daniel. I actually like him. And selfish is the right word. He doesn't even care that Luce dies over and over again. Causing her families pain after losing her. He only cares about his love for her.
That Truce Cam and Daniel drew up, where the rule was to stay away from Luce and give her time. Who was the one who broke it? That's right, Daniel.
When Luce wanted to Daniel to let her in on some things, he mainly kept quiet about it. It was Cam and Steven who actually help her along the way. Give her a push. Roland also helps Luce. It looks like the bad guys don't want to keep Luce in the dark anymore. Unlike Daniel.
Cam says "Good and evil aren't as clear-cut as you think". There are many things the author does to blur good and evil out.
And in Passion, Daniel tells both Shelby and Miles that Cam may not even be evil. "He was not evil, not yet. Maybe not even now." -page 313.
In ch.14, it states that Daniel and Luce put their love above everything else. Daniel dragged all of the fallen angels with him. Because of his love for Luce.
Cam hates how Daniel only thinks about Luce and himself. How he doesn't even care that his decisons not only affect him, but it affects the fallen as well.
Page 122, Cam snaps at how Daniel thinks the journey is only about Luce and him. When it's not.
So Daniel really is selfish.
Wowww.....stop judging people here. You do not know me at all to think about me that way.Okay...I will tell you what I think.
I think your comment was so funny and I smiled reading it.
Lupe wrote: "Whoa whoa whoa! I have nothing against Daniel. I actually like him. And selfish is the right word. He doesn't even care that Luce dies over and over again. Causing her families pain after losing her. He only cares about his love for her."
Okay....you seemed to miss the whole story there. Daniel was condemned after he chose Luce and he had no power whatsoever to the punishment given to her. Lucifer suggested that because he hated the fact that Daniel did not side him, the way Cam did. I practically care less if you have or not have anything against Daniel, but it is better if you understand the story.
Lupe wrote: "Lupe wrote: "Whoa whoa whoa! I have nothing against Daniel. I actually like him. And selfish is the right word. He doesn't even care that Luce dies over and over again. Causing her families pain after losing her. He only cares about his love for her.""
The Truce policy has been there ever since the Falling time. This time perhaps Daniel cared too much about some loopholes that he sort of crossed the border. But others were there for Luce too. It was not only between Daniel and Cam, but the whole fallen angels. If Daniel was selfish (I am getting bored of this), he would easily decide something and tip the balance.
Lupe wrote: "When Luce wanted to Daniel to let her in on some things, he mainly kept quite about it. It was Cam and Steven who actually help her along the way. Give her a push. Roland also helps Luce. It looks like the bad guys don't want to keep Luce in the dark anymore. Unlike Daniel. "
Wow....! I am speechless. Daniel had to keep everything from Luce. He could say something to Luce if Luce had known about it, to clarify. But never to inform her anything. That was part of the punishment. Breaking it would mean Luce permanent death.
Btw....Roland was with the evil side. That's no wonder about it right?
Lupe wrote: "Cam says "Good and evil aren't as clear-cut as you think". There are many things the author does to blur good and evil out."
You must like Cam a lot to actually forgot that Cam sided Lucifer. Would he say bad things about Lucifer? Daniel cared about him regardless, since for Daniel, Cam was his forever brother.
I love Cam, but Cam was with evil now, Lucifer best servant.
Lupe wrote: ""
Because Daniel loved Cam. Who are you trying to convince? Yourself? If it's me, then please don't bother. I love Fallen series so much I memorised the story.
Lupe wrote: "Lupe wrote: ".
That's mere accusation coming from an angry fallen angel. And Cam was tired enough with the whole repetition process.
Lupe wrote: "Page 122, Cam snaps at how Daniel thinks the journey is about the two of them. So Daniel really is selfish. ".
Cam wanted Daniel to join Lucifer. That is what his whining is all about. Do you think joining Lucifer and go against Heaven is sooooo far from being selfish? It is the worst choice ever!
Cheers.
Nurlely wrote: "Wowww.....stop judging people here. You do not know me at all to think about me that way.Okay...I will tell you what I think.
I think your comment was so funny and I smiled reading it.
Lupe wrote..."
"You do not know me at all to think about me that way." WHAT are you talking about?....
2nd, I said I had nothing against DANIEL, because you seem to back him up so much! I didn't want you to think that I only backed Cam up because I hated Daniel. Not the case. Your making Daniel sound like a victim when he's really not! LAUGH ALL YOU WANT. I don't really care. It doesn't bother me =D And convince you? Please!
You keep going around in circles at how Daniel cares about Cam being his brother when your missing the point You also keep making the bad side sound that they're all that BAD when the lines have been blurred. Daniel is'nt as innocent. And neither is Cam.
Your right about Daniel not choosing either side. Yes, Lucifer hated that Daniel didn't side with him. And so did God. Lucifer suggested they both be punished, and so it was done. Cam DID NOT side with Lucifer at that moment during the FALL. Roland did. POINT IS: Daniel is careless when it comes to Luce. Even Arriane said that Daniel doesn't always know what he's doing. Daniel didn't care about the consequence that was going to lead to his decison. Cam wanted to stop the fall from happening. He even asked futre Daniel to help stop it.
The Cardinal rule was no distractions right? No CAM, no DANIEL? Give Luce time and space. The truce was drawn by both Daniel and Cam. To fight those who wanted to harm Luce. Both sides worked side by side to help. They all have one thing in common. During the truce, Daniel and Cam were suppose to get along for Luce's sake. Cam tell's Daniel how he wasn't loyal to the truce. Proven that Cam did honor it.
It was because of Steven that Luce knew how the Announcers worked. All of the fallen had been shocked when they saw Luce work with an Announcer at the end of Torement. So Steven really isn't all that bad, now is he. For showing Luce how the Announcers worked when Daniel wouldn't. And wouldn't bother to.
True. Daniel had to be careful at what to tell Luce. Luce has to figure it out on her own. Daniel still hides things from her. And I don't mean when they first met, or how he had to tell her he's really an angel. No. I mean how he doesn't answer her question about how he knew Shelby. And I mentioned Roland because he helps Luce and how he isn't all that bad of a guy. Because he afterall, helps Luce during her journey. How she must be careful at what she does, and can't interfere with the past. For a person who trys to help Luce, he really sounds EVIL.
OKAY. Cam sided with Lucifer! Let that go! Just because some like Cam's character doesn't make us a bad person. It's just a BOOK! Like you said, I could care less weather you like him or not. I'm trying not to be bitchy, but come on. Daniel and Cam can't stand each other. Did you miss that? They each have diffrent p.o.v. They don't always agree with each other. Sure, they might acted like good brothers in some scenes. You seem to forget that Daniel hates that Cam is going after Luce. Even if it isn't love. POINT about good and evil being blurred, is that those on the bad side, do things that don't seem to be evil. The author even states it.
Convince myself? Nothings been decided. It will matter what side your on when the scale is tiped. So Cam sticks with Lucifer and his crew, yet he tell's Luce that the victors have to rewrite history. He protects her from harm, he offers his help to Daniel and find Luce in the Announcers, yet Daniel refuses. So we can't say Cam doesn't try
Exactly. It's because Cam is tired of the cycle repeating itslef that he wants it to end. It's not only Cam who's tired of the cycle. It's Roland, Gabbe, Arriane. They all want out to. And they want to help break the cycle. To help Daniel find a way. But Daniel doesn't care. As long as he's with Luce, then he's okay. Read pg 266 in Passion where the author said Daniel had dragged them all along with him. Point is: Luce and Daniel are careless about their love. It's Daniels love that got him into this mess.
Sure, because Daniel and Luce were cursed that Cam wanted Daniel to think about crossing over. But after that, Cam thought there was no way out of the cycle, he didn't care which side he would side with. Cam tell's him "Pick Heaven, pick Hell, I don't really care and you don't either. It won't make any diffrence-" pg 267. So it wasn'nt only Cam who wanted Daniel to think about siding with Hell. Gabbe and Arriane want him to choose Heaven over hell.
So that's not what Cam's whining is all about! It's about the cycle coming to an end. How he's careless. How he only thinks it doesn't affect the angels. Cam blames him for Luce being on the journey to begin with. Thinking it's just her relationship that's at stake when it's not.
So quite acting like Daniel is inocent and Cam is 100% evil when it's not. True. Cam is EVIL. No one is saying otherwise. 100%, I wouldn't say so. Around a 95% or less
But it's because of DANIEL that the curse even happened. Why the angels were dragged along with him. How Daniel thinks his love for Luce revolves around them and doesn't affect the angels.
I LOVE FALLEN!! And I know the story well. I'm so caught up on it. I tryed to keep it from sounding mean, but I'm stating facts.
I wonder what is wrong with my slow connection. Can't edit either.I think I will just go right to conclusion.
I never said Daniel is innocent and Cam is 100% evil. Please get your record straight and stop acting so weird by guessing other people's thought. Unless you are a telepathic, which I highly doubt.
It was because Lucifer felt that he was as strong as Heaven and it was his betrayal that brought all problems to the stupid-enough angels who followed him.
Btw....If Daniel did not love Luce and chose her instead of Heaven, there will be no Fallen series. For the whole story the series carry is about the forbidden love between Daniel and Luce and the consequences followed.
You might think you are someone who understands the story well, but while doing it, you forgot the simple thing about it.
You yourself said that Cam wanted to change the angels fate. So you can't consider that selfish now can you. I think we had a bad conncetion about who was really selfish. Cam is aware about the consequences as Daniel is. What does Lucifer thinking he had more power over heaven and angels siding with him have anything to do about selfishness? What point are you tring to make? There would be no fallen series? Again, you seem to keep forgetting the point. Which was: you made your points, and I made mines. That's it.
Forget the simple thing? And what's that according to you?
Lupe wrote: "You yourself said that Cam wanted to change the angels fate. So you can't consider that selfish now can you. I think we had a bad conncetion about who was really selfish. Cam is aware about the consequences as Daniel is."Cam wanted to change the angels' fate, without considering what might come as a result. Even Gabby was against the idea. Cam wanted to lure Luce to love him instead of Daniel, so he might do something about their fate. He did not think of something good as a result, just something different. What is so not selfish about that? Where did you read about Cam cared about the consequences of the changes he was about to do?
Lupe wrote: "What does Lucifer thinking he had more power over heaven and angels siding with him have anything to do about selfishness? What point are you tring to make? There would be no fallen series? Again, you seem to keep forgetting the point. Which was: you made your points, and I made mines. That's it. "
Hahahaha.....If an angel (Lucifer) considered himself as powerful as his creator (Heaven), what will that make him? A cute angel?
I think it has to do with Friday then. They say more weird things happen on Friday...
Interference with the past ring any bells to you? Cam is always ahead of Daniel and doesn't need to be lectured on anything. So I guess I lost you on that part. And is putting an end to a cycle that's been affecting the angels so bad? Helping them find a way out? At least he intended to try. Do you only care about Luce and Daniel being together and them being ripped apart? But I don't really care there. Really? Because you make it seem like it. All that "He's evil, he sided with Lucifer, Lucifer's best servant, Cam is selfish" and all that crap. But whatever. Think whatever you want about them both. I don't really care. I'm done with that. It is your opinion after all.
Ok. Again, I don't see what that had anything do do with the previous conversation? Cam and Daniel right? All Lucifer did was express free will among the angels. Because he wasn't with heaven. But it was a bad idea. You just keep going on and on about how he's bad. We get that! But you keep going around in circles. So quite acting like your an expert on it all on me. Because it's not happening. You have your opinions and I have mine. Period.
I can't wait for Rapture. Passion is killing me with the whole repetition. Well, at least Luce finally knew most of her past lives and why she ended up with reincarnation. I would like to have more about Cam and Gabbe. Roland was meant for Arianne, especially after reading some POVs. I wonder about Lilith. Will there be some story about her. And Lucifer, the important character.
This worries me a bit. There are too many things needed to be written and disclosed. Will Rapture answer all those? I hope yes. I will be mad if there is a sequel to Rapture....(worry mode)
Daniel definitely. She loves him and it's obvious in the book.
Monica wrote: "Oh my gosh! Daniel and Luce are going to be together. You have admit that throughout the books you have NEVER felt that they weren't going to be together (okay, maybe in Fallen you had some doubts ..."oh my gosh yes. I think they had somehthing as well. What if Cam saw her first, then when Daniel saw her, he went after her, and Cam just let it happen. But he secretly loved her. Maybe he still does. Just that Daniel and the fallen angels don't think he's serious about it. I say he might come clean in Rapture. It's not possible to hate someone without knowing anything about them. And Luce hates him so much. But I also love the relationship she and Daniel have. It was sad to see Luce always start a fight with Daniel. I hated how she kissed Miles and Daniel saw them. He didn't deserve it
"bee" wrote: "she should be with cam because he doesn't lie"
daniel was trying to protect her! that she wouldn't die and be gone forever!
daniel was trying to protect her! that she wouldn't die and be gone forever!
She should go lesbian and be with Mandy.
Sophia wrote: "daniel was trying to protect her! that she wouldn't die and be gone forever! "I think it is a waste of your precious time telling her what the story is about.
Since we read the story, we understand that.
UM, It's already obvious that she'll end up with Daniel. Their part is finished now. Luce understands and the next book is beyond their star-crossed lovers problem. It's about defeating Lucifer now. So yeah. Obvious answer is Daniel. BUT when there was a part I thought Luce will really kill her cursed soul; I rooted for Miles. But I was glad it didn't happen, because he's mine.
Nurlely wrote: "Daniel never tells anything because it is the regulation. Luce will die if he breaks the rule. No offense, but depending Miles is okay without 'slandering' Daniel."I'm not trying to insult Daniel. I'm just stating facts. And I understand why he can't tell her some things but that doesn't mean he can't tell her ANYTHING does it? (:
This is about who Luce should be with NOT about Daniel has not told Luce anything and PLUS I think Luce should be with Daniel
CAM!! he's the best out of them all! And i think Luce and Dan are sweet but..... CAM CAM CAM!!!
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Audrey wrote: "Ladies, Can someone tell me what happen between Daniel and shelby? I am almost done with Torment and can't wait to find out. Sorry no patience.. ;)"they hooked up.........like a one night stand i think. im not sure though. it's been awhile sense i read it
Daniel all the way :3333333
Well Daniel and Shelby as you said they hooked up one night before Luce came along. Daniel and Shelby found they had nothing in common so they went their different directions and then Daniel and Luce found each other and Shelby found Miles if you want to find more about relationships between Luce and Daniel & Shelby and Miles then read "FALLEN IN LOVE" you are not going to miss much if you start reading this book because it is not in the series it is just a book about each characters love and relationship.
people out there READ FALLEN SERIES you are truly going to love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daniel he loves her truely and they never break up and i love it <3
Its good to hear someone in on Daniel's and Luce's side. Everyone is thing that Cam is the good guy BUT he does not love her and Daniel is the person who has loved Luce and taken care of her so well
Daniel, they are meant to be together. Daniel has gone through so much and so has Luce's other lives that they just have to be together otherwise it might not have been worth all the pain.
You will have to read RAPTURE to find out!!!!!!
♬Rose☮Slayed♫The★Shade☠ wrote: "I kinda think that luce should be With Miles...Even though her and Daniel Are "meant to be" there are just so many things that he doesn't tell her and that he hides, I find his character hard to tr..."Agreed :)
Ber wrote: "Not Daniel because he is the worst BF imaginable. I mean he's completely domineering, he has a load of secrets and is all in all a complete Edward Cullen, unless you like that of course. Cam, even ..."Couldn't have said it better myself. (:
Carrie wrote: "Dreamerforever2679 wrote: "Miles,MIles, Miles! They're actually friends and he's just a great guy. (:Plus Daniel never tells her anything. How romantic. *rolls eyes* (No offense to any Luce/Daniel..."
But...he's an awesome extra character. And this discussion is called Who do YOU think Luce should be with not who IS Luce going to be with. We all know she'll end up with Daniel *sigh*
Ber wrote: "Carrie wrote: "Ber wrote: "Not Daniel because he is the worst BF imaginable. I mean he's completely domineering, he has a load of secrets and is all in all a complete Edward Cullen, unless you like..."Agreed. :)
Rachael wrote: "Because this book is a typical YA PNR book, I have a feeling Luce's are going to go through many more troubles but in the end they'll be together because they are "meant to be" for eachother. Howev..."That sounds good to me. (:
Gina wrote: "I like Miles for Luce."Me too! Miles FTW XD
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