Dresden Files discussion
Novel series like the Dresden Files?


I just couldn't get into Frostbitten, got maybe to the 3rd chapter and never picked it back up. Which is odd for me.

I've got my copy of Skin Game (audiobook as usual), but I've decided to reread the whole series before reading it. I've realised Storm Front is quite weak compared to most of the series, but when it was published back in 2000 I'm sure it would have been amazing. Since then many have tried to emulate the series, but as we've seen, not many make the grade. TDF series is almost the benchmark for true UF these days. BTW, Harry does do quite a bit of oggling LOL!
Thanks for the new recommendations too - please keep them coming. I look at every suggestion and try many of them (sometimes more than once in case I'm missing something because they keep getting recommended!).

I am reading book 2 right now. I hope that book 3 doesn't have as much sadness, because the third person and too much depression are big flags for me. I understand Remy being sad about what happened, but it's pointed out way too much.


The Mercy series definitely has its romance parts but overall it's a good series. Mercy is one of the more likable protagonists in the urban fantasy series I have read.
Also, as a firm believer that the supporting cast can make or break a series, Mercy's supporting cast shines. Patricia Briggs does an excellent job of building a variety of interesting characters. She also plops Mercy down smack in the chaos of the relationships (not necessarily romantic) of her supporting cast which can make for some amusing situations.

I care about the big picture, but want all the little details too and sometime I realise I just don't care what happens next. I hate when it happens, but life is too short! The reason I'm re-reading (again) the whole TDF series before I read Skin Game is that I want to be in the zone and enjoy every little reference! My memory is terrible, so I'm always checking wikipedia for information on characters. That's when I know I'm hooked! I mainly listen to audiobooks and the narrator can make or break a series. I hope Jim Butcher appreciates how much James Marsters has contributed to making TDF so popular!

I would have to say the Kevin Hearne series with his character of "Atticus O'Sullivan", who instead of being a wizard doing magic; he is a 1000 year old druid. The humor and satire is great and has non-stop drama and action.

I agree with the Twenty Palaces series. Well done but very dark. I think the audience found the books depressing. I would have liked to have read more. I have read the Grant series. Very good and the British humor is very understated and fun. The fixer series, if you mean the Lawson series by Merz, I have enjoyed his take on the Vampire world, and it has a James Bond quality to it. Alex Verus: love it and it keeps getting better. You can friend Jacka on facebook and get all his updates.

Scott,
Keep reading all the books about Mercy Thompson and you will not be disappointed at all. The character develops quickly (and she always seems to find trouble and it her, all the time). As a back story to the Mercy series, check out Patricia Briggs series (3 books right now) of the "An Alpha And Omega" [Fair Game; Cry Wolf and Hunting Ground]. These also relate to Mercy, because this group of wolves is where she was raised before she left to move on with her life. If you really liked Mercy's first book, then you will enjoy this series also.


I have not read that series. The write-ups on the book just did not appeal to me. Now her Dark Days series were great.
The covers put me off. They are all guys without shirts and so on...looks like basic ParaNormal Romance (PNR). How are they on that front? Is it mostly romantic angst and one character in the throes of frustrated passion or something? Or does it actually tell an Urban fantasy story?
Thanks.
Thanks.

Mike this series is only 2 books so far. You shouldn't be embarrassed by the cover.(I know there are some books I won't take to the beach) The main character, Gage is a tattoo artist, he is also a Warlock who has left the fold. he is a bit of a black sheep. He has 2 or 3 large problems to finish up in a book. Kinda like Harry, after about the 5th book his problems started coming in bunches. you might want to give it a try.

I loved the Twenty Palaces series- quite an imagination and a nice change from vamps/weres- agree it was a shame it couldn't continue.
IMO some Dresdenish authors/books would be these- by no means clones, but good stories with mysteries.
Aaronovitch, Ben Midnight Riot
Acevedo, Mario Nymphos of Rocky Flats
Carey, Mike The Devil You Know
Devereux, David Hunter's Moon
Frost, Jeaniene Halfway to the Grave
Hunter, Faith Skinwalker
Huff Tanya Blood Price
Marmell, Ari Hot Lead, Cold Iron (just out, great)
Rardin, Jennifer Bite ....
Shevdon Mike Sixty One Nails
And if you like DARK, Charlie Hustons' Already Dead
It's not that the covers embarrass me Linda, it's just that this type cover usually means the book is more romance than anything else. I have a low tolerance for romance reads and tend to set them aside, so I haven't tried these. Just wondered if that is the case and figured someone who'd read them could say.

It is not too romance. there is a little, but it is not 300 pages in the bedroom with a little plot to attempt to hold it together. I hate those books.

I recently tried to read The Goblin Emperor (per someone's recommendation in the Sci Fi and Heroic Fantasy group) and while I found it well-written, I was unable to get involved in the story or characters after 8 chapters. No biggie. I gave up and returned it to the library. I did like the Monster Hunter International books, though I don't think I will buy them. They are more action-driven than character driven and I prefer character driven fiction. Still, they are different from the standard urban fantasy fare and definitely not PNR.
I am currently reading the Powder Mage series. You might like those, Mike. The author is Brian McClellan and the first book is Promise of Blood. It's kind of pre-steampunk fantasy. No sex scenes. It's a tiered hierarchy of magic users set in what for us would be a late 18th century environment. It has shades of the French Revolution, but it's totally a fictional universe. I'm a little over halfway through the first book.

This is Goodreads...you can see what people have read. Mike's read Promise of Blood. ;)
I'm already aware of the Powder Mage books Promise of BloodThe Crimson Campaign Sharon, thanks. I just worked the second one onto my currently reading list (I was up till like 1:30 this morning/last night and am about a third of the way through it). I'm also looking forward to Tower Lord which is supposedly being released tomorrow. I've been waiting for this one since I finished the first.
The Powder Mage books are great. I thought The Crimson Campaign started a little slowly but before I knew it I was deep into the story... I don't want to hurry through it, but I also know I'll want to start Tower Lord.
Conundrum.
:)
The Powder Mage books are great. I thought The Crimson Campaign started a little slowly but before I knew it I was deep into the story... I don't want to hurry through it, but I also know I'll want to start Tower Lord.
Conundrum.
:)

cool. And to LazerWraith, I didn't bother to check Mike's reading list before writing my own post. I rarely do. Still, it's a series that hadn't yet been mentioned in this thread, so I thought it worthy of posting. I am liking it very much and others who are following this thread who have not run across it might find the suggestion valuable.

Some I can read over and over like A Song of Ice and Fire and The Lord of the Rings (but not The Hobbit). It helps if I've read UF by the author e.g. I liked Jim's Codex Alera series.
It's a while before anything by my favourite authors is released, so I might start adding series like The Power Mage series to my 'to read' list.

Ah, I understand. Usually I'm friends with or follow everyone who I talk to, so I can easily see if they've read a book by going to the book's page.

I can merely second the recommendations for The Iron Druid Chronicles--Luke Daniels adds even more to the reading experience--Alex Verus, and Peter Grant.
Nothing really comes close to Dresden, I just look for things that are as good in what they do as the Dresden books are in what they set out to do.
I'll be checking out some of the series mentioned here... I'm always looking for a good UF experience.

Welcome to the group. I have been following this group for a bit. I am in the audio group as well.
Yes, I agree that James Marsters is perfect for Dresden. For a long time I didn't realize he was the guy who played Spike in Buffy the Vampire Killer.
For series that are similar, I did the first Monster Hunter International. It was OK. I will listen to more at some point.

Welcome to the group. I have been following this group for a bit. I am in the audio group as well.
Yes, I agree that James Marsters is perfect for Dresden. For a long time I didn't ..."
Thanks, and I did recognize the name *waves*
I like Monster Hunter a lot but have to admit I'm only through two and one third books--MH Alpha has some intensely scary werewolves. But the second book was worth reading just to meet the gnomes. I'll have to finish the remaining one and two thirds books soon in order to read the one just released.
I've also enjoyed Daniel O'Malley's The Rook/Checquy Files and hope "Stiletto" will be a worthy second effort when it comes out in February.


Sandman Slim is another one of those that are recommended over and over, but many of us haven't enjoyed them. I thought they were too dark and didn't like the main character at all.
Jeanie wrote: "I've also enjoyed Daniel O'Malley's The Rook/Checquy Files and hope "Stiletto" will be a worthy second effort when it comes out in February. "
Stiletto has been taking way too long to come out. The Rook was published in 2012 for heaven's sakes.

I think some of us referred to it as the Peter Grant series... you're right, though, its correct series title is Rivers of London. A rose by any other name... still turns out to be fun fantasy.

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I wanted to re-read Dresden about two years ago but instead opted for the audio books. James Marsters is awesome as Harry and all the supporting characters and really added to my experience with The Dresden Files. Even the one book with John Glover was pretty good once I got over the differences.
I tried listening to the first Ben Aaronovitch book and just could not get into it. I really think it had to do with the delivery by the narrator but I cannot be sure. It was the first time I tried the audio book before reading the book. I think I will give reading it a shot and maybe go back to the audio book later.
Lorelei King does a superb job with the Mercy Thompson series as well. Well, aside from the fact I visibly cringe every time she pronounces Auriele as Are E L E. It may be correct but it just sounds really wrong to me. I would think it was more Are E eL where the I sounds more like E, the E & L flow together with a lower case e and upper case L and the final e is silent. Could just be me though. I'm weird.
I wanted to like Luke Daniels reading Iron Druid. I really did but from the start the voice he used for Attictus felt off to me. I was learning to live with it and then Oberon spoke. The voice was so counter to the voice in my head I stopped the audio book right there and never restarted it. I may give it a go again sometime in the future. We will see. The Oberon post they put on Kevin's Facebook sounded better and amused me so meh.
So anyone else had experience with these or other audio books for their favorite UF series? Opinions?

I've been listening to audio books since 2000.
I agree that the narrator holds tremendous sway over the book they narrate. When looking for a new author to listen to I will search for the narrators I like best then try those books first. I remember when Kim Harrison's Hollow series switched audio publishers and that meant a switch in narrators, the uproar over the switch was so strong a deal was made with the publishers so that the original narrator was contracted for the remainder of the series.
Often I can get used to a new narrator, but not all the time. Lorelei King also narrates the Darynda Jones,the Charlie Davidson series. I like this series, it is much lighter and funny, quite a bit of romance in it though. I find those can get old when you hear them rather than just reading them. good thing I can fast forward. I haven't read the Iron Druid books yet, but they are definitely on my to read(listen)to list.

I also really liked Kobna Holbrook Smith's narration of the Peter Grant series. He has the very accent Grant should have and he does all the other voices so well. I must admit you have to listen closely sometimes, due to the accent, but I always find it worth straining the ears a little.
The narrator for the Alex Verus series is also very good, although I have to admit it took a chapter or two before I warmed up to it. Now, I would be tremendously upset if the narrator were to change.
Not a book that is especially like Dresden, but one that is a fun fantasy if you like gods, is Anansi boys by Neil Gaiman and read by Lenny Henry. Gaiman said he heard Lenny Henry's voice in his head as he wrote it. American Gods technically precedes Anansi boys, but either can be read independently. I'm one who really likes the full-cast production of American Gods, with many actors reading the various voices, but some people can't stand this.
Of course, James Marsters is brilliant as Harry Dresden, although a few people I know who began the series in print had a tough time accepting him as Dresden over the Harry in their own heads. The fact that the production quality of the first three or four wasn't especially good put off a few people as well, but assurances that those problems did clear up later usually calmed readers enough to keep going. Most people, even if they have difficulty with the switch from the "head voice" to Marsters, usually come to love him and can't bear the thought of anyone else reading Dresden--please, no repeats of that Ghost Story debacle. Note: Taken on its own, the narration of Ghost Story was actually quite good, but it wasn't Marsters and that meant it wasn't Harry.

Out of the series already mentioned, the Peter Grant series gave me the most trouble. I found it hard at first to understand Kobna Holbrook Smith's narration and it took me a while to tune into his voice. Now it feels natural and I hope he isn't available for some reason, as it can be hard to get used to a change part way through a series (Song of Ice and Fire anyone?).
Several times I've given up on a series because I just can't get on with the narrator's voice. Some times I've tried more than once, especially if a series comes highly recommended on here. The best example I can think of is Simon Green's Nightside and Secret Histories series. I can't get on with the narrators at all.
James Marsters and Paul Blackthorne are Harry Dresden for me now (none of the other TV series cast though). I used to visualise Harry as a young Clint Eastwood before I saw the TV series. I don't mind John Glover as a narrator, just not part way through a series and especially as a one off. Luke Daniels is probably my favourite male narrator - his Oberon voice never fails to make me smile.
It does irk when a word is mispronounced, but at the end of the day a good narrator makes it worthwhile putting up with the blips! The other thing that can grate with me is when a male narrator tries to imitate a female voice. It can be just plain weird and it's much better just to imply a certain tone rather than come up with some daft sounding falsetto!


I am a huge fan of audiobooks since it means I can read my book and accomplish my projects at the same time. Plus, my eyesight is not what it once was and reading print is fatiguing. I wear headphones and iPod playing books while gardening, shopping, painting, whatever.
I am very selective about which audiobooks I listen to. If I don't like the reader's voice or interp then I will not listen to the audio version. At all. No matter how much I like the book and wish I had it on audio. This is especially true of epic fantasy. I would love to have the Kushiel series on audio, but I don't like the narrator. Lord of the Rings is another. Rob Inglis has a nice voice but makes me fall asleep. He's so busy being portentous and resonant that the content of the prose is lost. Roy Dotrice, who read A Dance with Dragons, has a similar voice but was a pleasure to listen to because he didn't spend his time trying to make the book sound like Holy Writ.
There are some great readers out there and a lot of adequate readers, and alas, a fair number of extremely poor readers who are getting hired to produce audiobooks. If I don't like the reader I will not buy the book. Squeaky voices, irritating accents, or acute nasality are major turnoffs. Try listening to Tanya Eby read sometime. Ugh! I don't like Renee Raudman either. Too whiny. I listen closely to samples before buying an audiobook I haven't already borrowed from the library. A bad reader will ruin the listening experience of a great book, though even a great reader can't save a poorly written book. Some books are not fit to be read aloud. (Most of the Anita Blake books fall into this category. It's funny how much more you can tolerate repetition in text than when spoken aloud.)
Some great readers have bad directors and editors. Marguerite Gavin pronounces a lot of stuff wrong in The Hollows and it makes me a little crazy. It should have been corrected in production as several of them are glaring errors. I tolerate it because I like the stories immensely and I love her voice and interpretation. (I hated the substitute reader for Outlaw Demon Wails so much that I recorded the book myself so I can listen to the entire series in sequence without having to endure her petulant whining. I'm fortunate that Ms. Gavin's voice and mine are remarkably similar. I didn't realize the reason for the narration change. Thanks for enlightening me.)
Another type of audiobook that I really despise is the multi-voice dramatic reads where they've cast every single character with a different reader or ones that switch back and forth between male and female readers. I find it distracting and annoying. It's like listening to a TV show instead of reading a book and doesn't seem as cohesive. Back when The Reader's Chair was producing the Vorkosigan series they did the male/female thing. It was tolerable, but the rerecordings done by Blackstone Audio with Grover Gardner are far better. A single narrator is just better, so long as they don't get too weird with the character voices.
Readers that have impressed me:
Davina Porter ---Outlander series
James Marsters ---Dresden
Lorelei King ---Mercy Thompson, Stephanie Plum
C.J. Critt ---Stephanie Plum
Bernadette Dunne ---The Sharing Knife
Susan Denaker ---Beka Cooper
Grover Gardner ---Vorkosiverse
Marguerite Gavin ---The Hollows
I am always finding others, but the things I look for in a reader are
1. A pleasant voice that fits the style of the story and keeps me listening to the words (not zoning out and falling asleep.)
2. Interpretation of the material --does it suit the style of the book?
3. Characterization/character voices --- can I tell who is speaking?
4. Pacing ---does it feel rushed or too slow
5. Pronunciations are mostly correct and consistent
I listened to a sample of the Peter Grant books the other day and I thought the guy's voice and accent made the style of the book come to life. I find it interesting that you found him hard to understand. For me, it was like being back in England and hanging with my friends there. British slang requires a native Brit to read it and I was actually getting more out of it than when I read it myself. I haven't yet decided if I want to own them though. I liked the series but I'm not sure it's one I will want to revisit over and over.

You're right Sharon. I've gotten some of my favorite books in audio only to find a poor reader. I think most people here who know me know I love the Paksenarrion series. The reader of it and the first of the follow-up Paks' world series is Jennifer Van Dyck. She's okay...but she did some things that sort of drove me crazy (as I love these books). I didn't care for the "sing-song" way she read the elves. She often got what I think was the wrong emotion for a given part of the dialogue. At least once she failed to switch "voices" and gave a line to the wrong character.
But worst...worst of all, she insisted on prouncing "Paks" as "Pox"... Where oh where did she get that?
When the reader was changed to Susan Ericksen the Audible editions came with (come with) a note that the pronunciations are now author approved.
have you ever heard anything read by George Guidall? He doesn't read a lot of fantasy of any type, but he's been reading audios for a long time (I first heard him back when books on tape actually came on tape). He's an excellent reader.
But worst...worst of all, she insisted on prouncing "Paks" as "Pox"... Where oh where did she get that?
When the reader was changed to Susan Ericksen the Audible editions came with (come with) a note that the pronunciations are now author approved.
have you ever heard anything read by George Guidall? He doesn't read a lot of fantasy of any type, but he's been reading audios for a long time (I first heard him back when books on tape actually came on tape). He's an excellent reader.


I honestly had a bit of an issue with James at the very beginning because his voice was off for me. I also came to the series by way of the TV show (shocking, I know) so Paul Blackthorne was very much Harry to me. However, I have long been a fan of James Marsters in general and I quickly accepted his voice as Harry. Now I could not imagine anyone else being Harry, although I actually really enjoyed John Glover once I got use to him. Probably because I knew of and liked him prior to his reading also. I think your note about his reading is spot on.
Alison wrote: "...James Marsters and Paul Blackthorne are Harry Dresden for me now..."
For sure! For those who do not know, James was actually supposed to be Harry for the series too but they ran into conflict since he did not want to move to Canada for the filming.
Sharon wrote: "...I listened to a sample of the Peter Grant books the other day and I thought the guy's voice and accent made the style of the book come to life. I find it interesting that you found him hard to understand...."
I found him perfectly fine to understand. I really think it was a combination of trying to pay attention to a new story while driving as I tend to listen to audio books on long car trips. With stories I know, I can let it play and still pay attention to driving which is more important. It was more an instance of trying to focus on two things at once. I will be reading the first book and then will give the audio book another shot later on.
Sharon wrote: "P.S. I didn't like Luke Daniels' read of the Iron Druid stuff either. His Atticus voice was okay, but he makes Oberon sound like Scooby Doo, only harder to understand. Pass."
Thank you! I have been trying to nail down what I felt Oberon sounded like and a hard to understand Scooby Doo sounds exactly right.

Although I agree with a previous comment about the repetitive (in the nightside) comment I saw previously.
As of the Iron Druid Trilogy. If you can get over the stupid thelepatic dialogue between character and retarded dogs your are gonna love it. (I tolerated it)
I think it is going to be a sad day when Butcher will end the Dresden file series.
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I am listening to the Sooki Stackhouse series. I don't think the male anatomy stuff is just overwhelming. There is some of that. The Stackhouse series seems like urban fantasy to me. I have been told it is good through book 8. It isn't Dresden like though.