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message 801: by Heather (last edited Nov 23, 2010 09:34AM) (new)

Heather (creaturefromthesea) | 831 comments rivka wrote: "Actually, many of them appear to be by a real person of that name. e.g.: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18..."

I knew those were real; I was referring to ones with Harry Potter in the title itself, not the books on history. They seemed suspicious, since "Potter" was spelled "Poter."


message 802: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Got both of them. And Random as well.


message 803: by Cait (new)

Cait (tigercait) | 4988 comments Carter, and more in the coauthors....


message 804: by Abcdarian (new)

Abcdarian | 26579 comments Heather wrote: "Single name author: Rumi.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/..."


Got this one; better late than never. ;-)


message 805: by Stefan (new)

Stefan (sraets) | 2 comments There are two incorrect spellings of author L.E. Modesitt Jr. in the system. Since he's a GoodReads author (just joined, for a book discussion) I can't fix this. I've brought it to his attention, but he hasn't added enough books to be a librarian. Is there any other way this can be fixed? Here's a link showing the three spellings (only the top one is right):

http://www.goodreads.com/search/searc...


message 806: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Stefan wrote: "Is there any other way this can be fixed?"

Magic Wand


message 807: by Stefan (new)

Stefan (sraets) | 2 comments Thank you! I'll let the author know. I really don't know why people can't deal with authors who use initials instead of first names. :)


message 808: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Stefan wrote: "I really don't know why people can't deal with authors who use initials instead of first names. :)"

'Tis a mystery for the ages.


message 809: by M— (new)

M— | 60 comments While the works listed under author Books LLC (a publisher/editor) have ratings and ISBNs, they seem iffy to me. The works are often active, ongoing serieses (such as The Southern Vampire Mysteries) and are often subtitled as a list of series characters (such as Percy Jackson and the Olympians: List of Percy Jackson and the Olympians Characters).

I think the individual works ought to filed under their respective actual authors when appropriate and NABed when not. What do you other, more experienced librarians think?

(Also, there is a massive amount of books listed under this author: 99728 works. Ack!)


message 810: by rivka, Former Moderator (last edited Nov 23, 2010 05:28PM) (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
They are not the actual books, so they should not be listed under their "respective" authors. And NONE should be NAB'd.

They are essentially published and bound copies on information gleaned from Wikipedia and other online sources. They get left as Books LLC.

See also http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/3....


message 811: by M— (new)

M— | 60 comments Huh. Would it be appropriate to attached that discussion to the Books LLC profile, then, so that the issue doesn't keep coming up?


message 812: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
There's already a link as a Librarian's Note. Last edited by Cait.


message 813: by M— (new)

M— | 60 comments So... I'm getting a vibe of no, it's not appropriate to attach that discussion to the profile because the current Note accessible only in the librarian areas of edit-profile and combine-books is sufficient? Okay.


message 814: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Is there some reason it needs to be visible to non-librarians?


message 815: by M— (new)

M— | 60 comments Although the material that Books LLC produces is published and bound information taken from online resources, the entry of their material is structured on GR as any standard work. I think even non-librarians are likely to think it odd to see works of popular authors not listed as being works by those authors and not listed under those authors' profile pages. I think a general, publicly accessible note along the lines of the profile note used in author disambiguation cases would be reasonable in this case; even if the note only states that works produced by Books LLC are to be considered different and separate from works of identical titles available under their authors' pages, and the note includes a link to the discussion page.

I think that such an additional, visible note would be more clear about the Books LLC information being correct as set (...if not legitimate; or perhaps correct in a certain light) than the current Librarian's Note or the current bio in the author profile, which largely discuss licensure and copyright. I personally do not find the current Note or blurb to be very helpful, but I think I'm alone in that feeling so I'm not advocating that profile be seriously altered or the Note be altered at all.

If no one else thinks that non-librarians are likely to be confused by this issue and that a publicly available note is unnecessary, that's fine. I mean, that's why I was asking.


message 816: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
The description on the "author" is as follows:
Books LLC is a seller of nonfiction and fiction which is out of copyright. Books LLC is not a licensed reseller or editor of modern, in-copyright novels.

Books LLC also publishes compilations of Wikipedia articles.


Several librarians are working on adding notes to many of the works listed, including the ones you linked to. E.g.:
Nonfiction summaries and discussion of the first 6 Sookie Stackhouse books by Charlaine Harris. These are not the complete novels. This material is also available for free from Wikipedia or other public domain sources.



message 817: by M— (last edited Nov 23, 2010 08:09PM) (new)

M— | 60 comments Yes. That description and particularly the line Books LLC is not a licensed reseller or editor of modern, in-copyright novels. does not tell me that the modern, in-copyright novels produced under the Books LLC name are not complete novels but (illegal) summaries and discussions. It tells me they're not licensed, but that kind of goes hand in hand with their quasi-legality.

The example Note you provide is indeed very clear in regard to that particular work, and I'm afraid I hadn't noticed it earlier. Thanks!


message 818: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
They are NOT illegal. Nor are they novels!


message 819: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Why would a summary of a novel be illegal, or have to be licensed? This would criminalize high school essays and newspaper book reviews.


message 820: by M— (new)

M— | 60 comments The entire Cherryh issue referred in the Librarian's Note appears to be about illegal novel republications.


message 821: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
C.J. Cherryh is wrong about what they are doing.


message 822: by Lobstergirl (last edited Nov 23, 2010 08:23PM) (new)

Lobstergirl With all due respect to writer C.J. Cherryh, she is wrong on this issue. She does not assert that Books LLC is pirating her works, she merely "suspects." Why doesn't she purchase the book and find out for herself?

That librarian note should not be there. "May be" should not be in a librarian note. Only facts should be in a librarian note.


message 823: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Doubtless her real fear is that people will purchase that book thinking it is her own work, diverting income from her. Maybe a few people will, but they aren't very intelligent people if they are unable to figure out from the book's description that it is not a real book by C.J. Cherryh. She needs to get over herself.


message 824: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Lobstergirl wrote: "That librarian note should not be there. "May be" should not be in a librarian note. Only facts should be in a librarian note."

I think that is a fair guideline. Note edited.


message 825: by M— (new)

M— | 60 comments All right. It's been a long several hours of learning about Books LLC, and I apologize that I'm being slow to pick up on this. I get that they both publish (a) out-of-copyright fiction and (b) nonfiction held in public domain. With the fiction, the Books LLC editions are combined under the actual authors' edition pages, as in Edward III. Right? Okay.

But I don't think the nonfiction issue is nearly so clear, particularly when in many cases those nonfiction works are titled in such a way to make them appear as compilations of fiction works, such as Novels by Charlaine Harris: Living Dead in Dallas Dead to the World Definitely Dead Club Dead Dead Until Dark Dead as a Doornail. The notes added to the individual works' descriptions, as in rivka's example, does add extremely helpful clarification, but those notes do not appear to be wide spread. (Such notes are currently in the descriptions of three of the top ten most popular Books LLC nonfiction books.)

I can go add-in similar notes to the descriptions of the other necessary books -- although mind that I'm considering 'necessary' here to reference the page or so of Books LLC works that other members have rated and not not NOT to reference the nearly 100 thousand books shelved as authored by Books LLC -- but with as actively as new books are added under the Books LLC name, I'm not sure the works' descriptions notes to the currently shelved books are sufficient.

If it is sufficient; great. Less work all the way around. I just want to know before I change anything.


message 826: by Mark (new)

Mark Laxer | 5 comments I'm a GR author, and, oddly, rather than showing 1 copy of my recently published book (The Monkey Bible), there are 3 identical copies displayed. Thoughts? Thanks for the help,
-mark


message 827: by Lobstergirl (new)

Lobstergirl Mark wrote: "I'm a GR author, and, oddly, rather than showing 1 copy of my recently published book (The Monkey Bible), there are 3 identical copies displayed. Thoughts? Thanks for the help,
-mark"


Mark, I combined them for you. Now all the editions are grouped together.


message 828: by willaful (last edited Nov 29, 2010 06:17PM) (new)

willaful M-, I understand your frustration but I'm not sure what more we can do. We have a description of Books LLC that comes up as the author info and we change the book descriptions as we find them -- it is a Herculean task. And clearly the descriptions aren't doing the job, since numerous people have rated the "Southern Vampire" book, almost certainly by mistake, since it was added.

If you have a better suggestion, I for one would love to hear it.


message 829: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
This one just makes me TIRED. Any volunteers?


message 830: by Deborah (new)

Deborah | 390 comments rivka wrote: "This one just makes me TIRED. Any volunteers?"

Yes, I can work on it.


message 831: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Bless you!


message 832: by Deborah (new)

Deborah | 390 comments You're welcome. Wasn't that bad, of course I researched the names before volunteering. ☺

That might be a different Karen Clark though.

Now I've found another similar one.


message 833: by vicki_girl (last edited Dec 02, 2010 09:27AM) (new)

vicki_girl | 2764 comments Here are some "authors" that need help:



Golgotha Press
Alfred Publishing Company
Warner Bros Publications
book - done
Cd


message 836: by Jessica (new)

Jessica | 963 comments "Ferguson"
http://www.goodreads.com/author/list/...

We can remove the publisher if there is a primary author, right? I see no reason to keep it as long as it's in the publisher field. There's so many though I'm questioning myself...


message 837: by rivka, Former Moderator (new)

rivka | 45177 comments Mod
Jessica wrote: "We can remove the publisher if there is a primary author, right?"

Absolutely.


message 838: by Jessica (new)

Jessica | 963 comments rivka wrote: "Jessica wrote: "We can remove the publisher if there is a primary author, right?"

Absolutely."


Thanks. Sometimes paranoia strikes me out of nowhere.


message 839: by Niledaughter (new)

Niledaughter | 93 comments what about Walt Disney ?
I have this book :
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20...
I do not know if it should be combined with :
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/98...
or related to Walt Disney’s page :
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...


message 840: by Kim (new)

Kim | 607 comments It looks like Walt Disney is being used as a dumping ground for all Disney books. He definitely didn't write most of them. He wasn't even alive when a lot of them were made.

Unfortunately most of them don't have the real authors listed.


message 841: by Paula (last edited Dec 04, 2010 05:18AM) (new)

Paula (paulaan) | 7014 comments Here is the discussion that occurred around Walt Disney and other versions of Disney and what to do


http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

But it looks like changes have been made - I am going to start a thread on Disney again


message 842: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Lane (jenniferlane) | 52 comments Hi, I'm brand new to this group. There is a book posted to my author name that isn't mine. Could you give me some advice on how to remove it? Thanks, Jen


message 843: by Paula (new)

Paula (paulaan) | 7014 comments Hi Jennifer

You can remove the book from your author profile by disambiguating the author on the book. Instructions are here:

http://www.goodreads.com/help/librari...

If you want a librarian to it for you, just post back and some one will pick it up


message 844: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Lane (jenniferlane) | 52 comments Thanks, Paula. Unfortunately I couldn't figure out how to add a space between the names Jennifer and Lane for the book "The Six Pack Two". If a librarian could do this and remove this book from my author name, I'd appreciate it. I am the author of With Good Behavior but not The Six Pack Two.


message 845: by [deleted user] (new)

Jennifer wrote: "Thanks, Paula. Unfortunately I couldn't figure out how to add a space between the names Jennifer and Lane for the book "The Six Pack Two". If a librarian could do this and remove this book from my ..."

Okay, I've edited it so it isn't linked to your profile anymore Miss Lane.

I'd love if another librarian double-checked me to make sure I did it right. It seems like to me; however, I'm new to this so I just want to make sure.


message 846: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer Lane (jenniferlane) | 52 comments Thank you for resolving this issue, archane scholar! You rock.


message 847: by Kim (new)

Kim | 607 comments You correctly removed it from this Miss Lane's listings but you added it to another Jennifer Lane's books who isn't the same author :P It appears there is 3 Jennifer Lanes listed as authors.


message 848: by [deleted user] (new)

Kim wrote: "You correctly removed it from this Miss Lane's listings but you added it to another Jennifer Lane's books who isn't the same author :P It appears there is 3 Jennifer Lanes listed as authors."

Thank you for fixing it for me Mr. Kim. :)


message 849: by Abcdarian (last edited Dec 05, 2010 08:17AM) (new)

Abcdarian | 26579 comments Message 836: Jessica wrote: ""Ferguson"
http://www.goodreads.com/author/list/..."


There are some other connected "authors":
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...

Maybe even more. Should they be combined, and if so under which name?

Also, another publisher-author I guess, Facts on File Inc. I've combined several versions of the name already (with & without period, Inc. at start or end or missing) just to make them easier to find:
http://www.goodreads.com/author/list/...


message 850: by Deborah (new)

Deborah | 390 comments Abcdarian wrote: "Message 836: Jessica wrote: ""Ferguson"
http://www.goodreads.com/author/list/..."

There are some other connected "authors":
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
ht..."


If there is an actual author listed, the publishing company and staff "authors" can just be removed from those books. Then see if you can find a real author for any of the other books, using WorldCat, Google, etc.
Then we can make decisions based on what is left author.


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