Libba Bray Lovers! discussion
The Gemma Doyle Trilogy
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Fee and Pip!?!?! (TSFT SPOILER ALERT!!)
Jessalina i totally agree with u like who knows if there is god but i never go to church. and i disagree with a lot of parts in the bible. and i am really happy that Libba Bray did that
(G)Emma wrote: "Delia, welcome to the group! I hope you like it here. Why did her orientation make you love her more? I loved Libba from that too, I was glad she stayed true to her books. I absolutely agree with you."Felicity was always my favorite character--she's strong and defiant and I can relate to her. Her sexuality just made sense to me, I sort of guessed it. For me, it pulled everything together and suddenly more things made sense.
Speaking as one who doesn't know her own orientation, Felicity's fling with Ithal made complete sense. I don't know if she's bi, lesbian, or straight--that's Libba Bray's thing. She created the character. But no matter what her orientation, Felicity makes sense to me. She's confused and upset because her best friend and maybe lover wants nothing more than the perfect man, which Felicity knows she can't provide. And Felicity I don't think knows herself what she wants. Relationships between guys and girls, and girls and girls are very different, and maybe Felicity wanted to test herself with Ithal and Pippa.
Ah, thanks (G)Emma, time for a reread!It's great to see you here Deliabookworm! It's great to see people in this group are willing to entertain the idea of alternate ideas and beliefs. Off topic a bit here: I like to take bits and pieces from lots of different belief systems and apply them to my life. Usually the original doctorines have some excellent truths in them. When "experts" interpret and tell me how I'm supposed to believe I tend to shy away. Christianity does have many applicable truths, but honestly, there are some totally unreasonable expectations in the bible. Two Christian traditions I've always liked: 1) God is the ultimate judge. Okay then, it's not my place to judge, we'll leave that to God. 2) With God all things are possible. It's not my place to decide which things are and aren't possible. Let the mystery be!
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Delia, I agree too, Fee was confused.
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Allie, A hopeless romantic who doesn't believe in love
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And Jessalina, I agree with pretty much everything you said about God, that he's not conceited and cruel like the Bible makes him out to be.
And I feel bad for Ithal. D:
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ya it is nice. cuz most books u read dont have anything about being gay or lesbian
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ya but it in YA books that are fantisy or action or watever they almost always have boyfriends
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It's true, what you say. TSFT is the only book I can think of that isn't labeled gay or lesbian that actually has those kind of relationships in it.
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And I don't think God is conceited. What my church believes is that every single one of us on Earth are spirit brothers and sisters. Before we came to Earth, Heavenly Father (God) told us that he was going to create the Earth and said he needed someone to go to Earth to be a sacrifice and example for everyone. The two who volunteered were Jesus and Lucifer (Satan). Satan's plan was that none of us would be able to make any of our choices, and he would make us choose the right all the time, whether we liked it or not, and he would get all the glory. Jesus, however, said people would have to make their own choices and earn the right to live with Heavenly Father again, and that all the glory would be Heavenly Father's. Then, all of Heavenly Father's children (aka us) were given the choice to choose which plan they liked better, and one third of Heavenly Father's children sided with Satan. They were cast out from heaven and became Satan's angels, and everyone who chose Jesus's plan came to Earth. So everyone on Earth chose Jesus's plan. Anyway... that's just what I believe.
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I agree with you with the not being my cup of tea stuff. It seems odd to me as well...I'm mormon. And as an answer to your question, they were thrown out because they made the wrong decision, and went against their father, really. There was a big huge argument between everyone, and in the end, Satan and his angels were thrown out.
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Kelsey wrote: "wait lisa do u feel srry for him cuz felicity doesn't like him???"Well, it seemed like she played him. And then he put himself out there when he had the rose for her (didn't flowers have BIG meaning in Victorian times), and she dissed him by having her horse tromp on it....I do need to reread that.
Dairy Queen by Catherine Murdock has a minor storyline revolving around a lesbian character. It's not nearly as complex a story as The Gemma Doyle Trilogy, but still gives you something to think about.
Jessalina wrote: "Yeah, I've never read a book that actually had people who where gay or lesbian (other than the Gemma Doyle series). Also when reading romance, it's not my cup of tea to read about a gay couple (I d..."
y dont u get it. its the same as a girl liking a guy. you feel the same emotions just it's a girl instead of a guy
y dont u get it. its the same as a girl liking a guy. you feel the same emotions just it's a girl instead of a guy
but there could be a future to her life. she can do many other things ya she cant get pregnant but so wat
I think it's a little weird... as I said, I'd much rather read an adorable romance between a guy and a girl. They're just naturally way cuter.
no there not thats just cuz u grew up learning that guys and girls are supposed to b together
Because they are. *sigh* I just think that it's so darn cute!! I'm thinking of all these adorable romances between a guy and a girl, and they're so ADORABLE!! <3
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Oh and in the circle of magic books by Tamira Pierce a HUGE character turned out to b lesbian in the last book. I didn't like that at all, because unlike in TGDT there were no clues, and this was a long series, focused on her and three others. Also in the last book, they decide their teachers are lesbians and always had been, also not hinted, and throughout they'd only been friends, separated often, having their own rooms, and suddenly they were lovers??? That made me mad, because other than that it was a great, well written series.
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The Beka Cooper books are amazing, I love them.
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Um, what books are you all reading? Boy girl relationships all vary. Gay couples can be really tender and sweet. If you're in love, you're in love. Period. I love it in ANY book or movie when the characters are being true to themselves. I've known lesbians personally, and they were very interesting and awesome individuals. I've read a few books about gays and I'd love to read more. I like understanding things.
ya i agree Emma i was a BIG fan of Buffy the vamp slayer and i still loved the charichters that turned out to be gay they were actually my favs and i thought that realation ship was the best one in the whole show. i find that just cuz girls with girls cant reproduce they can still be cute ralation ships
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I tend to be more comfortable or understanding with gay relationships than with lesbian relationships in books. My husband is the opposite. The Mercy Thompson series by Patricia Briggs has a very compelling gay character/couple.
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i think gay relation ship[s are easy to understand it's just a bit different then wat most people are use to
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(G)Emma wrote: "No relationship is easy to understand. "True that!
well yes but i mean in the way of it is the same as any other relation ship
Taylor S wrote: "So, what do you think about Pip and Fee? It totally shocked me. I mean, I knew that they were really close, but that close? Whoa! "(G)Emma wrote: "I was practically banging myhead against the wall when I found out! It was so freaking obvious!!!!! "
I read that part a few times before it actually believed it. I think that Libba Bray was trying to and was very succesful in making a point there about issues we're dealing with today. Gays and Lesbos are just like the rest of us exceot for the fact that they like the same gender. If you have read the entire series and get ti know everthing else about felicity and piper before you learn about thier relationship your opinion about them doesnt really change.
I completely agree Jessalina.