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Netgalley, like Kobo, Google books, etc. is not a source that Goodreads is allowed to use for covers or other data.If the book is listed on the publisher's site, which is usually the case with Netgalley books, you can use that along with its ISBN. As you did here, you can just make the book record and add the cover when it is officially available.
The publication date in my opinion should be what the publisher lists. Others may feel differently.
A librarian merged Succeeding with Adult ADHD: Daily Strategies to Help You Achieve Your Goals and Manage Your Life with (seemingly?) Succeeding with Adult ADHD: Daily Strategies to Help You Achieve Your Goals and Manage Your Life which is not an ebook, has a different cover, has a different page count, is the 1st edition, and most crucially is not the ARC/uncorrected proof edition – which AFAICT is now completely gone.I thought ARC editions were permissible as legit separate editions on GR?
Was it wrong for me to add this edition to begin with? If not, why remove it now?
Hi Freso,I personally don't mind, but for future reference, we aren't allowed to refer to other users or their edits in this group.
The covers of the ebook and the ARC that you added were the same from what I could tell. I went ahead and merged them, as there is no difference between the ebook and the ARC ebook. I recombined it all with the first edition after I separated them. The first edition is the one you linked to in the second link in message 3.
If the one with the old cover ended up on your shelf instead of the one with the new cover, then there is a flaw in the merge process that we should report. It should have left the one with the black cover on your shelf.
OK I see what happened. The whole point of separating the editions out to merge them is so the people who shelve them will have the same edition still on their shelves as you probably know. This did not happen here. I will be reporting it to Goodreads because it messes up everything we do.
You will just need to switch editions to the ebook with the black cover.
I'm pretty sure the ebook doesn't have "UNCORRECTED PROOF-COPYRIGHT AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION" on top of every page and it might even have an actual ISBN in the ebook as well in addition to a number of other differences. I don't feel confident setting the page number of the e-book there now based on the ARC I have available since this is very clearly not the commercially available version: https://imgur.com/a/t8QBHIU
Other librarians can feel free to comment. I don't see why the ARC cannot be merged with the ebook that was the final publication. So if someone wishes to override that they can. Yes, ARCs are permitted, but we usually say this because the physical cover will have special ARC notation on the front or is significantly different in some way. Pages stating "uncorrected proof" at the top don't seem to be a significant difference for Goodreads purposes.
I also got a copy of this ebook from the publisher, but it was through NetGalley.
So, if someone else wants to make a ruling or add to this please do. Maybe there is some precedent I am unaware of.
My copy is also via NetGalley. Does/did yours not have the uncorrected proof text and other pre-publication artefacts? If not, can you confirm whether the last numbered page in your copy is also 293 (part of References)?As I said, I don’t feel comfortable adding the page count to the ebook now since I cannot be 100% sure that it’s actually the same enough to the degree that the page count is the same for the final release of it. This in turn means that using the ebook is forcing me to mark reading progress as % even as I have actual page numbers available.
NetGalley is not a valid source for Goodreads to use; per the terms of most of the publishers. I left the page count at 293 as it is probably accurate. I don't recall what my copy had as I only skimmed it.
Freso wrote: "I don’t feel comfortable adding the page count to the ebook now since I cannot be 100% sure that it’s actually the same enough to the degree that the page count is the same for the final release of it."Page counts of ebooks should come from the publisher. Since page counts can differ between devices, users should not add them based on their own copy.
lethe wrote: "Page counts of ebooks should come from the publisher. Since page counts can differ between devices, users should not add them based on their own copy."So “For PDF-specific editions, or any other fixed page ebooks, the normal paging rules may be used.” is wrong?
Freso wrote: "So “For PDF-specific editions, or any other fixed page ebooks, the normal paging rules may be used.” is wrong?"My apologies, for some reason I totally missed that you said it was a PDF in your first comment.
I finally got accepted as a Goodreads Librarian and went on to fulfill a book addition request of my own, but I have some questions regarding adding it… (These questions are also asked in the addition post, so feel free to check that for more details/comments.)
Should the release date reflect the ARC’s release date or the final publication’s release date? Given how ACEs are handled, I’m guessing it should be the actual ARC release date, right?
For cover, are galleys an acceptable source? I haven’t been able to find a definitive "yes" or "no" in the handbook.
The ebook is a PDF with numbered pages. The PDF itself has 306 pages, but the last numbered page is 293. I’m reading “For PDF-specific editions, or any other fixed page ebooks, the normal paging rules may be used.” as 293 should then be used for the page count. Am I correct in this reading?
Also, I set the edition to "ARC, uncorrected proof". Should I just have put one or the other or should I have put something entirely different?
Thanks in advance!