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Oct 20, 2019 06:03PM
Darker P&P? Yeah, that doesn’t appeal to me. :/ That was why I didn’t like or finish Longbourn.
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Speaking of darker. Have any of you seen Sanditon? Is it any good? It will be some time before this is on tv here and I cannot decide whether to wait or preorder the dvd now.
Laurie wrote: "Darker P&P? Yeah, that doesn’t appeal to me. :/ That was why I didn’t like or finish Longbourn."Yeah I have to agree. A darker Mansfield park could work but P&P is so light and fluffy and sweet. I don't think it would work.
Tahmina wrote: "Laurie wrote: "Darker P&P? Yeah, that doesn’t appeal to me. :/ That was why I didn’t like or finish Longbourn."Yeah I have to agree. A darker Mansfield park could work but P&P is so light and flu..."
Yes, exactly. I had the same thought about Mansfield Park! And even Sense and Sensibility has more mature content in regards to Colonel Brandon's backstory. While I'm not personally interested in darker or edgier adaptations of any of her books, one of those two would make more sense to me than P&P.
Maybe if she does it from Wickham's and Lydia's point of view, she'd have mature content :P
Laurie wrote: "Tahmina wrote: "Laurie wrote: "Darker P&P? Yeah, that doesn’t appeal to me. :/ That was why I didn’t like or finish Longbourn."Yeah I have to agree. A darker Mansfield park could work but P&P is ..."
Oooo good point. I think maybe you could add persuasion in there too. But they have such nice endings why would you want to. Though Mansfield Park has to be my least favorite so that's probably why thats the first one that came to my mind. Also has some of the most passive aggressive evil characters ever.
❀Tea❀ wrote: "Maybe if she does it from Wickham's and Lydia's point of view, she'd have mature content :P"ohhhh God!! So true. But would anyone want to watch it? They were both just so horrible.
❀Tea❀ wrote: "Maybe if she does it from Wickham's and Lydia's point of view, she'd have mature content :P"Tea, you forgot that Wickham who is about Mr. Darcy's age apparently is into 15yo girls (Georgiana and Lydia). Would make for some really creepy mature content.
I believe that there's more darker material in Sense and Sensibility. Colonel Brandon's past with his family, his sister-in-law's fate (forced into marriage with Brandon's brother, her divorce & disgrace and death in poverty), Willoughby seducing Eliza and abandoning her when he discovers she's pregnant, scheming of Lucy Steele and the cruelty of Henry Dashwood's family, especially his wife and mother-in-law. Quite dark.
Did Willoughby seduce Eliza?? I thought it was only in the movie version! I should probably re-read that book. And I guess you can really make anything darker if you wanted to just hope they don’t! And with Mansfield Park it was just a huge part of the plot. Though I guess you could say that about all the books 🙁🙁
Yes, Willoughby seduced Eliza who was 16 at the time and persuaded her to run off with him. She was missing for eight months. Colonel Brandon was trying to find her but with no success until her letter reached him on the day of the intented party to Whitwell. From Chapter 31, Colonel Brandon's account of what happened:
"...this was the reason of my leaving Barton so suddenly, which I am sure must at the time have appeared strange to everybody, and which I believe gave offence to some. Little did Mr. Willoughby imagine, I suppose, when his looks censured me for incivility in breaking up the party, that I was called away to the relief of one whom he had made poor and miserable; but had he known it, what would it have availed? Would he have been less gay or less happy in the smiles of your sister? No, he had already done that, which no man who can feel for another would do. He had left the girl whose youth and innocence he had seduced in a situation of the utmost distress, with no creditable home, no help, no friends, ignorant of his address! He had left her, promising to return; he neither returned, nor wrote, nor relieved her.”
Moreover, Willoughby knew Eliza was pregnant with his child. When Colonel Brandon found her she was nearing childbirth.
“Is she still in town?” “No; as soon as she recovered from her lying-in, for I found her near her delivery, I removed her and her child into the country, and there she remains.”
Tahmina, I love Sense and Sensibility. It's the first JA book I read and although I like P&P and Emma better it holds a special place in my heart. :D
Next year we're going to get a new cinematic Emma adaptation. I can't wait. I love Emma."Emma is an upcoming British drama film directed by Autumn de Wilde. It is based on the novel of same name by Jane Austen. The film stars Anya Taylor-Joy and Johnny Flynn.
It is scheduled to be released in the United States on February 21, 2020, and in the United Kingdom on February 28, 2020, by Focus Features."
Casting:
Anya Taylor-Joy as Emma Woodhouse
Johnny Flynn as George Knightley
Bill Nighy as Mr. Woodhouse
Miranda Hart as Miss Bates
Mia Goth as Harriet Smith
Josh O'Connor as Mr. Elton
Callum Turner as Frank Churchhill
Rupert Graves as Mr. Weston
Gemma Whelan as Mrs. Weston
Amber Anderson as Jane Fairfax
Tanya Reynolds as Mrs. Elton
Anya Taylor-Joy & Johnny Flynn BTS
Zuzana wrote: "Yes, Willoughby seduced Eliza who was 16 at the time and persuaded her to run off with him. She was missing for eight months. Colonel Brandon was trying to find her but with no success until her le..."ooooo wow I always thought that was a movie add!!! Dang! He's even more messed up then I thought.
And Sense and Sensibility was one of my favs too! I loved the sister bond that they had.
You know it happened to me too, and also with S&S. After watching the 2008 BBC miniseries I was just sure that the duel between Willoughby and Colonel Brandon was fabricated by the scriptwriter Andrew Davies. And it wasn't, it's mentioned in the book.I think that the sister bond in S&S is interesting, Elinor acts almost motherly towards Marianne. But then again she has no other option she must be the most mature person in their family. The mother and Marianne are both immature, irresponsible and impractical, Margaret is a child. So it all depends on poor Elinor and it takes its toll. I like the change in Marianne after she realized how badly she misunderstood (and mistreated) Elinor. She never MEANT to do her harm but she still kinda did.
Tea, I think it would be nice to make a few changes to the challenge. It's more than 4 years old and I noticed as I prepared for the next year's round that e.g. there's not enough spell-it-out options. If you don't mind could you change the 5th category (spell-it-out) from a pre-defined set of words to more general "Pick out any work of JA and spell-out either the title or the name of one of the main characters." ? TIA. :)
I have a suggestion for a brand new category, too. Inspired by this list. What are the books that Jane Austen would have read?
Not sure how to call the category, maybe "Inspiration" or "Jane Austen's reading list". And it would require for us to read a book that had been published before Jane Austen's death in 1817. 2 points per book
What do you think?
The first trailer for "Emma." is here. You can check it out here:https://youtu.be/qsOwj0PR5Sk
They are obviously going for the comedy angle. And that's fine. I just hope they won't make it too farcical.
Zuzana wrote: "The first trailer for "Emma." is here. You can check it out here:https://youtu.be/qsOwj0PR5Sk
They are obviously going for the comedy angle. And that's fine. I just hope they won't make it too fa..."
I didn't know there was a new Emma coming out, so thanks for sharing!
I get nervous when they say "a new vision" in regards to Jane Austen. That sometimes means an unfaithful adaptation. It's kind of hard to tell just from the trailer, but it does look like it might be a tad too silly. And Emma is coming across to me as more of an unlikable snob. :/ But I guess we'll see.
I got some great Jane Austen related Christmas gifts:*DVD collection which includes
1971 Sense and Sensibility and 1980 Pride and Prejudice BBC series
*Love and Friendship DVD
*Northanger Abbey book for my JA bookshelf
Can't wait to delve in. :)
Zuzana wrote: "I got some great Jane Austen related Christmas gifts:*DVD collection which includes
1971 Sense and Sensibility and 1980 Pride and Prejudice BBC series
*Love and Friendship DVD
*Northanger Abbey b..."
The best kind of gifts!
Finished 2019 challenge with the total of 45 points in 6 Categories. I finally reached the Elizabeth Bennet level. YAY! :DNow I have to plan my 2020 challenge.
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Thanks. It was fun! :)
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Teehee, perhaps more so because you designed it?
Well, I was going to try to finish the Brontës Challenge before I started this one, but with Sanditon getting ready to start on PBS and the book just arriving as a Christmas present to myself, I guess maybe I should participate this year! I'm probably digging myself into too many challenges, so I'll just start small for now with Mrs. Bennet (have a little compassion for my poor nerves, lol). I'll work up to Elizabeth Bennet status someday. :D✧ Jane Austen Yearly Challenge ✧
Duration: January 4, 2020 - January 4, 2021
Level: Mrs Bennet (5-14 points)
Points: 7
Categories
Original: Read or re-read a Jane Austen (JA) novel.
2 points per book.
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Sequels & Re-tellings: Read a sequel to a JA novel or a story of JA characters with a twist (alternate reality, paranormal elements, nowadays setting or just a secondary character's perspective).
1 point per book.
✧
✧I Was Jane Austen's Best Friend
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Plain Facts: Read a non-fiction book/ watch a documentary related to JA or to the time period of JA novels.
3 points per book, 1 point per documentary
✧Jane Austen at Home
Spell-it-out: Spell out one of the following words: Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice, Mr Darcy, Elizabeth, Sense and Sensibility, Emma, Persuasion, Regency, Classic, Romance.
1 point per book.
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M -
M -
A -
Adaptations: Watch a movie or a TV show or listen to radio dramatization based on a JA book or her life.
1 point per movie, 1 point per radio dramatization , 2 points per TV show/series.
X Masterpiece: Sanditon (Had to take this one off my list - I couldn't even get through the first episode. Didn't like it at all!) X
✧Pride and Prejudice (like I don't already watch this on a regular basis, heh heh - easy points! ;D)
Welcome to the challenge, Laurie! I hope you'll have fun! :DP.S.: I got myself the Sanditon Tie-in novel on Kindle. I can't decide whether to watch the series first or read the book. But as I don't think the series will be on Czech TV next year, I'll probably read the book first.
Zuzana wrote: "Welcome to the challenge, Laurie! I hope you'll have fun! :DP.S.: I got myself the Sanditon Tie-in novel on Kindle. I can't decide whether to watch the series first or read the book. But as I don..."
Thanks! I know I'll have fun!
I got the Penguin collection of all her unfinished manuscripts (Lady Susan, The Watsons, Sanditon). I've never read any of these and decided I wanted to start with her unfinished work, rather than a version where someone else has written the rest. But it will be really interesting to see how Davies chooses to finish the story.
As I'm reading Sanditon, which focuses a great deal on health and illness thus far, I can't help but notice the similarities between the Parker sisters, with their habit of self-diagnosing, and our current WebMD/Dr. Google generation. Some things never change. Fascinating! 🤔
I have finished reading the Sanditon portion of Lady Susan, The Watsons, Sanditon, and I really enjoyed it. I found myself laughing out loud several times. :D It was exciting to discover something "new" from a beloved author. The fact that it was such an easy, humorous read despite the fact that it's unfinished and relatively unpolished just shows how brilliant Austen was. It is such a shame that she wasn't able to finish it, as the portion we do have only scratches the surface of the full story.I am now ready to start watching the PBS adaptation, but even though it's getting positive reviews, I'm a little nervous to see anyone attempt to finish the work but Austen herself. I'll let you know what I think once I've finished watching.
So...I tried to watch Sanditon...and I couldn't even make it through the first episode! Has anyone else here watched it? I tried to keep an open mind, knowing that any "adaptation" is going to be its own story since Austen never finished this novel. But Davies took too much artistic license, in my opinion. Austen left us with twelve humorous, satirical chapters, but it seems Davies was intent on writing a seedy exposé instead. That's fine - just don't call it an Austen adaptation if you aren't even going to attempt to use what she actually wrote.Very minor spoilers ahead...
Within the first five minutes, I was feeling apprehensive because the characters were all wrong - completely different from Austen's descriptions. But what was worse were the disturbing sexual undertones. No, I should say overtones - it's NOT subtle. I won't detail everything, but I will say that I draw a firm line in the sand at incestuous sexual tension (that's NOT in Austen's work, just in case you were wondering). Why do modern writers feel the need to sensationalize Austen's work in these ways?
I finally stopped the episode with about ten minutes remaining, in order to look for reviews. In so doing, I discovered that the series also has a controversial ending. By the time I read that, I already knew I had no desire to watch the rest of the series, so I clicked through to the spoilers and that put the last nail in the coffin.
I'm sure plenty of people will still enjoy Davies' Sanditon, like the person who wrote this headline: "‘Sanditon’ Brings a Welcome Jolt of Sex to Jane Austen."
Oh boy.
The opening paragraph from that article pretty much sums it up:
"Make no mistake: PBS’s Sanditon is a new kind of Jane Austen adaptation. Oozing with sex, concerned with racial and class politics, and full of scheming anti-heroines who will do whatever it takes to get to the top, it simultaneously throws away the quaint, courtly image of Austen’s work while embracing the bitter acid of her pen." If that sounds good to you, by all means, enjoy. But if it makes you cringe, like me, you probably aren't going to like it.
Guess I need to tweak my challenge list now...
I just finished Lady Susan, The Watsons, Sanditon and I really enjoyed it! You can find my review here if you're so inclined. I can't believe I waited so long to read these unfinished works, but I'm glad I finally did. Now I just need to read her Juvenilia to say I've read everything. :D
Laurie wrote: "So...I tried to watch Sanditon...and I couldn't even make it through the first episode! Has anyone else here watched it? I tried to keep an open mind, knowing that any "adaptation" is going to be i..."I don't know how I missed your review of Sanditon TV Series, Laurie. I am sorry to hear you didn't like it. I've heard that it's edgy with some nudity and racial topics thrown in but I didn't know it was that controversial.
Andrew Davies always liked to "sex up" his adaptations but up untill now he had a classy way to do it, e.g. 1995 Pride and Prejudice or 2008 (?) Sense and sensibility. It was never disruptive and it always served the story, made it more real and natural. Sorry to hear he went too far this time.
Laurie wrote: "I just finished Lady Susan, The Watsons, Sanditon and I really enjoyed it! You can find my review here if you're so inclined. I can't believe I waited so long to read these unfinish..."I plan to re-read Lady Susan this year. I remember liking it quiet a bit. I'll get back to you once I do.
Zuzana wrote: "Andrew Davies always liked to "sex up" his adaptations but up untill now he had a classy way to do it, e.g. 1995 Pride and Prejudice or 2008 (?) Sense and sensibility. It was never disruptive and it always served the story, made it more real and natural. Sorry to hear he went too far this time..."Exactly. I'm sure plenty of people don't find it controversial, but he went way too far for me - plus he just straight up changed how the characters behave. I was really disappointed too because I really enjoyed Austen's unfinished story and wanted to see it brought to life. And I would have been interested in seeing how the racial stuff was dealt with (though I would have been more interested to see what Austen planned to do with it, which we'll never know). Oh well.
Duration: 11'th feb 2020 - 11'th feb 2021 Level: Elizabeth Bennet, 35+ points
Read/watched: 0/27
Current total: 0/34 points, 9/9 categories used. I. Original :
(Not sure I wanna reread ALL, so might change)
0/12 points
❀ Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen
❀ Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen
❀ Mansfield Park by Jane Austen
❀ Emma by Jane Austen
❀ Persuasion by Jane Austen
❀ Northanger Abbey by Jane Austen
II. Sequels & Re-tellings :
0/1 points
❀ Unmarriageable by Soniah Kamal
III. Setting :
0/2 points
❀ Poldark tv-series
IV. Plain Facts :
3 points per book, 1 point per documentary
0/0 points
Jane Austen: Behind Closed Doors documentary
V. Spell-it-out :
0/17 points
P ❀ For at kunne leve: En nordkoreansk piges rejse mod friheden by Yeonmi Park
R ❀ A Room with a View by E.M. Forster
I
D ❀ Kirsebærlandet by Dörte Hansen
E ❀ En by i krig - Scener og skæbner fra Damaskus by Adam Holm
A ❀ Alt det lys vi ikke ser by Anthony Doerr
N ❀ Lilla hibiscus by Ngozi Adichie
D
P ❀ Min kat, Jugoslavien by Pajtim Statovci
R
E
J ❀ Jeg dræber by Giorgio Faletti
U
D ❀ De bortførte piger by Mary Lynn Bracht
I
C ❀ The Lady of the Rivers by Philippa Gregory (#1 in "The Cousins' War")
E
VI. Adaptations :
0/2 points
❀ Pride & Prejudice BBC series
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Welcome Michelle!I've just started reading Jane Austen, the Secret Radical by Helena Kelly. I'd better post my list so it counts. :)
Jane Austen Yearly Challenge - round 5Duration : 15/02/2020 - 14/02/2021
Category: Elizabeth Bennet: 35+ points, you have to use each of the categories at least once
Current Total = 38 points, 4/6 Categories
I. Original: 2 points per book 10 points
🎧 Love And Freindship: And Other Early Works Of Jane Austen by Jane Austen 2/26/20 ★★★
🎧 Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen 2/29/20 ★★★★★
🎧 Lady Susan by Jane Austen 2/29/20 ★★★★★
🎧 Northanger Abbey by Jane Austen 3/6/20 ★★★★
📚 Sanditon by Jane Austen 7/15/20 ★★★
II. Sequels & Re-tellings: 1 point per book
III. Setting: 1 point per book, 1 point per movie, 2 points per TV series
IV. Plain Facts: 3 points per book, 1 point per documentary 21 points
📚 Jane Austen, the Secret Radical by Helena Kelly 2/22/20 ★★
📚 Fashion in the Time of Jane Austen by Sarah Jane Downing 7/26/20 ★★★
📚 Jane Austen: A Life Revealed by Catherine Reef 7/27/20 ★★★
📚 So You Think You Know Jane Austen? by John Sutherland 9/20/20 ★★★
📚 Camp Austen: My Life as an Accidental Jane Austen Superfan by Ted Scheinman 11/1/20 ★★
📚 The Making of Pride and Prejudice by Sue Birtwistle 11/12/20 ★★★★
📚 The Sense and Sensibility Screenplay and Diaries: Bringing Jane Austen's Novel to Film by Emma Thompson 11/14/20 ★★★★
V. Spell-it-out: 1 point per book 4 points
E: 📚 El rival oscuro by Jude Watson (Star Wars: Jedi Apprentice #2) 11/16/20
M: 📚 The Martian by Andy Weir 11/20/20
M: 📚 Man Plus by Frederik Pohl (Man Plus #1) 11/24/11
A: 📚 Algis Budrys: Rogue Moon 11/26/20
VI. Adaptations: 1 point per movie or radio play, 2 points per TV series 3 point
📻 Emma (Full-cast audio dramatisation, adapted by Anna Lea, 8h 21 min) 2/19/20 ★★★★
📺 Sense & Sensibility (2008 Mini-series) (3/3 episodes) 11/17/20 ★★★★
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📚 books
🎧 audiobooks
🎬 movies
📺 TV Shows
💻 web series
📻 radio Plays, audio Dramatisations
💡 documentaries
I'm reading Jane Austen, the Secret Radical by Helena Kelly. I'm really conflicted about the book. I don't mind Kelly's crazy claims and strangely I'm really glad I picked up this book despite mixed reviews, but I really hate that she presents her opinions as facts. It's a huge turn off for me. She goes as far as to claim that there is only one right way to read Jane Austen's books and that is the way she alone presents. Her way = the way Jane Austen intended her books to be read, every other person's way = wrong way. The arrogance is so incredibly off putting. Yeesh!
So far I've read the chapters on Northanger Abbey, Sense and Sensibility and Pride and Prejudice. I (strongly) disagree with about 40 % of her opinions and interpretations of the text. But to be fair she does provide an interesting historical and political background of the era and points out parallels between the novels and Jane Austen's life or more precisely life of her extended family. She also highlights parts of the text that went over my head when reading the novels and for that I'm grateful.
E.g. She draws attentions to the passages hinting what Edward Ferrars's real character might be. And while at the end she comes with an outrageous claim that he's sexually perverted (Kelly based it mostly on the scissor incident at the end of the book - crazy IMO). There are some warning signs throughout the book that he's not as fantastic as Elinor believes him to be.
excerpts from Jane Austen, the Secret Radical under spoilers
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Recommendation for people who love audiobooks:Emma: An Audible Original Drama
link: here
A delightful 8+ hour-long full-cast audio dramatisation.
Narrated by: Emma Thompson, Joanne Froggatt, Isabella Inchbald, Aisling Loftus, Joseph Millson, Morgana Robinson and others
Adapted by: Anna Lea
It's a lovely adaptation. Emma Thompson is cast as the narrator and she does a fabulous job. :) She is joined by notable names including Joanne Froggatt (Anna Bates from Downton Abbey), Aisling Loftus (Sonya Rostova from BBC War and Peace), Isabella Inchbald (the rising star who voices Emma herself) and BAFTA award-winning comedian Morgana Robinson. The adaptation is 8 hours 21 min long and nothing major is cut. So if you for whatever reason don't have time or you're just not in the mood to read the book this is the next best thing.
link to the Behind the scenes video: https://youtu.be/BzcdY6vyOUk
There's once again a wonderful yearly Booktube challenge focusing on Jane Austen:THE JANE AUSTEN JULY
As usual, it's hosted by Katie from Books and Things and Marissa from Blatantly Bookish.
Annoucement and recommendations here:
https://youtu.be/IJeokFmt_Ns
https://youtu.be/KYi82SaBTjc
There are 7 categories in this challenge, all related to Jane Austen's life, work and adaptations.
1. Read one of Jane Austen’s six novels
2. Read something by Jane Austen that is not one of her main six novels
3. Read a non-fiction work about Jane Austen or her time
4. Read a retelling of a Jane Austen book
5. Read a book by a contemporary of Jane Austen
6. Watch a direct screen adaptation of a Jane Austen book
7. Watch a modern screen adaptation of a Jane Austen book
It's great fun and I can't recommend it enough. On the plus side, almost everything you read or watch for that challenge is eligible for our Jane Austen Yearly Challenge, too.
They also have a Goodreads group for this years rendition of JA July: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/...
I've come across this gem in The Sense and Sensibility Screenplay and Diaries: Bringing Jane Austen's Novel to Film by Emma Thompson.One day of the shooting Emma Thompson overheard this charming conversation between Kate Winslet and Alan Rickman:
Kate: Oh God, my knickers have gone up my arse.
Alan: Ah. Feminine mystique strikes again.
LOLed so hard. I had to share.
And another one:
Kate Winslet fainted during the shoot - "so cold, so wet for so long. Alan Rickman found Ang Lee (the director) sitting on a box, his head low, his fists clenched.
I tortured her, he moaned.
Don't worry, said Alan. You'll have the opportunity to do it to me soon."
“It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.”
~Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austin
Levels:
Mrs Bennet: 5-14 points
Charlotte Lucas: 15-24 points
Jane Bennet: 25-34 points
Emma Woodhouse - 35+ books, you haven't managed to use all of the categories
Elizabeth Bennet: 35+ points, you have to use each of the categories at least once.
Categories:
Original: Read or re-read a Jane Austen (JA) novel.
2 points per book.
Sequels & Re-tellings: Read a sequel to a JA novel or a story of JA characters with a twist (alternate reality, paranormal elements, nowadays setting or just a secondary character's perspective).
1 point per book.
Setting: Read a book/watch a movie or a TV series set in the regency era (late 18th and early 19th century: 1780s through 1830s) in which the hero/heroine is English.
1 point per book, 1 point per movie, 2 points per TV series
Plain Facts: Read a non-fiction book/ watch a documentary related to JA or to the time period of JA novels.
3 points per book, 1 point per documentary
Spell-it-out: Spell out one of the following words: Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice, Mr Darcy, Elizabeth, Sense and Sensibility, Emma, Persuasion, Regency, Classic, Romance.
1 point per book.
Additional challenges from booktube
1. Read one of Jane Austen’s six novels
2. Read something by Jane Austen that is not one of her main six novels
3. Read a non-fiction work about Jane Austen or her time
4. Read a retelling of a Jane Austen book
5. Read a book by a contemporary of Jane Austen
6. Watch a direct screen adaptation of a Jane Austen book
7. Watch a modern screen adaptation of a Jane Austen book
Hi, Melissa! I thought you might like to join the challenge in the Jane Austen's Books and Adaptations group, but this works fine, too. :D
Do you have any recommendations for non-fiction work about JA?
Melissa (ladybug) wrote: "Do you have any recommendations for non-fiction work about JA?"Melissa, I've added a Non-fiction section to the JA Books&Adaptation discussion with various recs.
My favorite is Jane Austen at Home by Lucy Worsley.
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