⋆.ೃ࿔࿐ྂfaith & fantasy⋆.ೃ࿔࿐ྂ discussion
✯General Bookish Stuff✯
>
⭒Content Warnings⭒
Quite a bit of language ya. It also had the worst plot I’ve ever read. WORSE THAN DIVERGENT! (view spoiler)
I’d recommend Five Feet Apart (book and movie) but both have a bittttt of language, and one character is gay

Oh my word. my friend was trying to get me to "All your perfects" it....but it was just hard for me to read....i thought there was too much casual sex.

I grew up hearing that too, but when I actually went and watched the movies and read the books in my thirties, I found that they are quite benign as far as magic. There are no actual spells (by that I mean, spells that appear in real life arcane books or practices). There is a magic system (As there are in most fantasy books/worlds!), but the magic system is not wiccan/occult or anything like that. The bad guys do bad things with their magic, and the good guys do good things. Kind of like real life.
I don't have any concerns about my nephews and nieces reading them as teenagers.
Anyway, that's my experience. Take it or leave it :)
Celia wrote: "Addilyn wrote: "Harry Potter, just from what I've heard, is a big NO."
I grew up hearing that too, but when I actually went and watched the movies and read the books in my thirties, I found that t..."
Thanks for sharing, Celia! That's definitely an interesting (and valid!) perspective!
I grew up hearing that too, but when I actually went and watched the movies and read the books in my thirties, I found that t..."
Thanks for sharing, Celia! That's definitely an interesting (and valid!) perspective!

Helena wrote: "I would say not to read The Book Thief. I didn't finish it because it was filled with language, even teaching the reader to say cuss words in German."
Agreed and it was boring
Agreed and it was boring
Helena wrote: "I would say not to read The Book Thief. I didn't finish it because it was filled with language, even teaching the reader to say cuss words in German."
Ahh, yeah, I've heard that The Book Thief has a lot of language. It's honestly quite a shame!
Ahh, yeah, I've heard that The Book Thief has a lot of language. It's honestly quite a shame!

I don't specifically remember the language, but overall I was unimpressed/disappointed with The Book Thief. I would just watch the movie. Takes less time, although there is some swearing in the movie too. (And I don't recommend a movie over its book lightly!!)
Celia wrote: "Kara wrote: "Agreed and it was boring."
I don't specifically remember the language, but overall I was unimpressed/disappointed with The Book Thief. I would just watch the movie. Takes..."
Alright, thanks for the heads-up. I remember my mom telling me that The Book Thief has a great movie, but it's been years and I still haven't gotten around to it yet. 😂
I don't specifically remember the language, but overall I was unimpressed/disappointed with The Book Thief. I would just watch the movie. Takes..."
Alright, thanks for the heads-up. I remember my mom telling me that The Book Thief has a great movie, but it's been years and I still haven't gotten around to it yet. 😂

Sorry about that, though!!! I couldn't get into the old Sherlock Holmes movies (only tried one tho lol) but I love Poirot!"
Me too

My parents were that way when I was growing up, but then as I got older they said that we (me and my siblings) could decide on reading it or not.

“A Far Wilder Magic”
Book by Allison Saft, ?

Shannon wrote: "Hey everyone, I’m pretty strict on having no witchcraft in my books. Has anyone read,
“A Far Wilder Magic”
Book by Allison Saft, ?"
I haven't read it, unfortunately, but one of the people I'm following on here said it was "too smutty" and had lots of foul language. This might be subjective, though. It looks like there are religions in the book that represent Judaism, Catholicism, and Protestantism, but I'm not sure if the alchemy in that one is like witchcraft.
“A Far Wilder Magic”
Book by Allison Saft, ?"
I haven't read it, unfortunately, but one of the people I'm following on here said it was "too smutty" and had lots of foul language. This might be subjective, though. It looks like there are religions in the book that represent Judaism, Catholicism, and Protestantism, but I'm not sure if the alchemy in that one is like witchcraft.

Geezzzz 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Bailey(TaylorsVersion) wrote: "I wish I would have been warned about the two suggestive scenes in the cruel prince series . And the scene in chapter 21 of the queen of nothing -
Geezzzz 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣"
Yeah, I wouldn't say that TCP is very virtuous, so to speak.
Geezzzz 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣"
Yeah, I wouldn't say that TCP is very virtuous, so to speak.
Bailey(TaylorsVersion) wrote: "I wish I would have been warned about the two suggestive scenes in the cruel prince series . And the scene in chapter 21 of the queen of nothing -
Geezzzz 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣"
I'm sorry, Bailey!😔 I have not read that series, and I think it is because of the sexual content I had heard about.
Three suggestions for avoiding that kind of situation in the future:
1. Find folks on GR whose reviews line up with your beliefs. For instance, now that you know about TCP's problem areas, read through reviews, especially those on F&F, but not exclusively, to see whose reviews mirror your own thoughts on the book's content and follow them. Then when you need to check out the content of a book, you can see if they have left a review of it.
2. Check Redeemed Reader's website to see if they have reviewed it. Their search engine isn't the best, though, and sometimes it is hard to find what you are looking for. I love their insights, though, so I always check them first.
https://redeemedreader.com/
3. Check Plugged In. Their search engine is great, and they break things down into specific categories. Another benefit to Plugged In is that they review books, movies, video games, YouTube channels, etc.
https://www.pluggedin.com/
I hope that is helpful.
Geezzzz 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣"
I'm sorry, Bailey!😔 I have not read that series, and I think it is because of the sexual content I had heard about.
Three suggestions for avoiding that kind of situation in the future:
1. Find folks on GR whose reviews line up with your beliefs. For instance, now that you know about TCP's problem areas, read through reviews, especially those on F&F, but not exclusively, to see whose reviews mirror your own thoughts on the book's content and follow them. Then when you need to check out the content of a book, you can see if they have left a review of it.
2. Check Redeemed Reader's website to see if they have reviewed it. Their search engine isn't the best, though, and sometimes it is hard to find what you are looking for. I love their insights, though, so I always check them first.
https://redeemedreader.com/
3. Check Plugged In. Their search engine is great, and they break things down into specific categories. Another benefit to Plugged In is that they review books, movies, video games, YouTube channels, etc.
https://www.pluggedin.com/
I hope that is helpful.

Authors can be very good at their craft, even if we do not agree with the worldview they promote or at least present. I feel that way about Leigh Bardugo. She is an excellent author, but her worldview is anti-biblical, so I choose not to read her books anymore. At first, I felt a loss—like I was missing out, but now I am quite content with my choice.

wdym
Evie wrote: "Sharon wrote: "Authors can be very good at their craft, even if we do not agree with the worldview they promote or at least present. I feel that way about Leigh Bardugo. She is an excellent author,..."
Which part are you wondering about? Authors in general or Leigh Bardugo?
Which part are you wondering about? Authors in general or Leigh Bardugo?

i mean what do u mean about her worldview?
how is it anti-biblical?
Bella wrote: "How was Heartless by Marissa Meyer? How abt Renegades by her?"
Heartless is clean (with one or two kisses). A few scenes are violent, but nothing inappropriate for a YA reader. One male character does say that he "loves" another male character (it's unreciprocated), and though I didn't think of it homosexually at the time, apparently it was meant as a slight LGBTQ+ representation. That's the only reference to anything queer, though. I hope that helps!
Heartless is clean (with one or two kisses). A few scenes are violent, but nothing inappropriate for a YA reader. One male character does say that he "loves" another male character (it's unreciprocated), and though I didn't think of it homosexually at the time, apparently it was meant as a slight LGBTQ+ representation. That's the only reference to anything queer, though. I hope that helps!
Evie wrote: "Sharon wrote: "Evie wrote: "Sharon wrote: "Authors can be very good at their craft, even if we do not agree with the worldview they promote or at least present. I feel that way about Leigh Bardugo...."
It wasn't obvious to me when I first started with the Shadow and Bone trilogy, which I really enjoyed, but as I continued with the Grishaverse books, I found a world that is quite self-indulgent. An "if it feels right, it must be right" kind of world. This does not hold up when viewed through a biblical lens as the Bible teaches self-sacrifice, restraint, living according to a standard (His), considering others more important than ourselves, etc.
Furthermore, when Nina and Matthais come onto the scene, we begin to hear negative things about the Fjerdan culture that seem to me to be Christian values, and I got the distinct impression this was intentional on Bardugo's part. (Much YA today seems to be all about pressing an agenda.) She made the awful Grisha-murdering, heartless Fjerdan people have values that Christians (should) hold dear.
My last issue with Bardugo that goes contrary to orthodox biblical values is a controversial one, and I do not wish to start an online debate with this topic. (I know there are F&F members on both sides of this issue, and I have never criticized anyone's position, so, to anyone [not Evie in particular] who reads this and disagrees, please remember that.💜) I choose not to read books that include the promotion of gay, lesbian, and trans characters, which her books do, because I believe the Bible teaches that sexual relationships should only be between a married man and woman. I do not want to be desensitized by exposure to something that God says is not best for His children.
I hope that explains better what I mean by an "anti-biblical" worldview.🙂
It wasn't obvious to me when I first started with the Shadow and Bone trilogy, which I really enjoyed, but as I continued with the Grishaverse books, I found a world that is quite self-indulgent. An "if it feels right, it must be right" kind of world. This does not hold up when viewed through a biblical lens as the Bible teaches self-sacrifice, restraint, living according to a standard (His), considering others more important than ourselves, etc.
Furthermore, when Nina and Matthais come onto the scene, we begin to hear negative things about the Fjerdan culture that seem to me to be Christian values, and I got the distinct impression this was intentional on Bardugo's part. (Much YA today seems to be all about pressing an agenda.) She made the awful Grisha-murdering, heartless Fjerdan people have values that Christians (should) hold dear.
My last issue with Bardugo that goes contrary to orthodox biblical values is a controversial one, and I do not wish to start an online debate with this topic. (I know there are F&F members on both sides of this issue, and I have never criticized anyone's position, so, to anyone [not Evie in particular] who reads this and disagrees, please remember that.💜) I choose not to read books that include the promotion of gay, lesbian, and trans characters, which her books do, because I believe the Bible teaches that sexual relationships should only be between a married man and woman. I do not want to be desensitized by exposure to something that God says is not best for His children.
I hope that explains better what I mean by an "anti-biblical" worldview.🙂

Heartless is clean (with one or two kisses). A few scenes are violent, but nothing inappropriate for a YA reader. One m..."
Good to know!

I completely agree! I like to steer away from books that push a non-biblical worldview. I do not even read YA books that aren't by Christian authors anymore.


I've always wanted to read those! But I don't know if I should or not. 🧐
But what, exactly, **is** a non-biblical worldview?
Pardon me if this isn’t appropriate, but I recently read a story that depicted incest, but didn’t comment on whether or not that was moral or immoral. Do you think I shouldn’t have read that story?
Pardon me if this isn’t appropriate, but I recently read a story that depicted incest, but didn’t comment on whether or not that was moral or immoral. Do you think I shouldn’t have read that story?
That question is for Abigail btw :)
Abigail wrote: "Sharon wrote: "Evie wrote: "Sharon wrote: "Evie wrote: "Sharon wrote: "Authors can be very good at their craft, even if we do not agree with the worldview they promote or at least present. I feel t..."
YA can be a treacherous road.😔
YA can be a treacherous road.😔
Stephen wrote: "But what, exactly, **is** a non-biblical worldview?
Pardon me if this isn’t appropriate, but I recently read a story that depicted incest, but didn’t comment on whether or not that was moral or i..."
I know you directed that to Abigail, but may I respond?
Pardon me if this isn’t appropriate, but I recently read a story that depicted incest, but didn’t comment on whether or not that was moral or i..."
I know you directed that to Abigail, but may I respond?

Pardon me if this isn’t appropriate, but I recently read a story that depicted incest, but didn’t comment on whether or not that was moral or i..."
I completely understand your question! In my eyes, any book that includes content contrary to what has been stated in scripture, are ones I like to avoid. For example, books that glorify homosexuality, and lust of the body (romans 1:24-26). Or include excessive profanity (ephesians 4:29), as well as sex-before-marriage (hebrews 13:4).
I've learned throughout my walk with Christ (I've been serious about my faith for about 2 years now 😝) that God does not say "no" to these things to be hateful or unloving. In fact, he loves everyone despite our sin, and truly wants the best for us.
I would like to commend you for asking this question @Stephen, not everyone has the guts to talk about this stuff! 🙃 You may recall in the Old Testament when girls would sleep with their fathers to preserve their family line, although God did not approve of this (leviticus 18:6). It is not my place to say whether or not you should have read the book, but in everything I look at scripture to see what God says. [I used the website Topical Bible, and literally entered "incest" (https://www.openbible.info/topics/) to help answer your question 😂]
I hope you find this helpful! 😀
Books mentioned in this topic
The Bookshop: A History of the American Bookstore (other topics)Crooked Kingdom (other topics)
Crooked Kingdom (other topics)
Crooked Kingdom (other topics)
Shatter Me (other topics)
More...
BUT it did have one sex scene and quite a bit of language.