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What else are you reading - September 2021
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Sep 01, 2021 01:59PM

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For my other book club, I'm reading The Last Hurrah by Edwin O'Connor.


So.....the techie trick: If you have a device where you can turn off Wireless, you can get the Kindle app going on it, download the book, and then turn off Wireless until you're done. The book won't return on that device until you're connected again.



Next up: Return of the Thief. The last one (currently) in the YA Thief series. They've been great!

Just downloaded on my kindle an old childhood favourite - The Wolves of Willoughby Chase by Joan Aiken. Hoping it stands up to an adult re-read!

I second this.

Now embarking on Claire North's latest release, Notes from the Burning Age. Not clear yet if this is sword, laser or a bit of both.


Blind Spot in the Mind by Manly P Hall
Currently reading:
Demons by Michael Heisler
The Ghost Riders of Ordebec by Fred Vargas
Planning to read:
Tarzan the Triumphant by Edgar Rice Burroughs
One Damn Island After Another by Clive Howard

'Books with sailing ships on the cover' is my actual favorite genre. I'm about halfway through the Aubrey/Maturin series now for the third time.

'Books with sailing ships on the cover' is my actual favorite genre...."
How about sailing ships + WWII destroyer + dinosaurs?


(Having said which, I'd probably be more interested if it was one of Michael Moorcock's Oswald Bastable novels or something.)

Going to try Alastair Reynolds's Pushing Ice next.

I read them all. But as they came out, which means one or two a year. Then the main characters didn’t repeat too often.


Going to try Alastair Reynolds's Pushing Ice next."
I think the Dresden books start to hit their stride in book 4, Summer Knight


Rosemary's Baby by Ira Levin"
What To Expect When You’re Expecting… The Devil’s Child

They all seem like the Devil's Child when they're screaming at 3:00 am.


Wool by Hugh Howey
Rating: 3 stars
Review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


I just listened to it too! My 1st Tom book as well. I loved it! I thought it was a Laser, but maybe it's not.

I think I'd call it a techno thriller written by a Sci-FI author. Similar to when Gibson or Stephenson have worked in that genre. I believe those genre's can have a lot of similarities, especially when they are used to convey broader themes, and mirrors on society, while still telling a very good story.
By the way I also really enjoyed the story. I think Tom did an excellent job with it. I really need to add more of Tom's works to my reading pile.
So far I've only read Pilot X, but I enjoyed that one. I'd recommend that one if you're trying to decide which of his to try next.

The aforementioned Broach brings a detective from a world based on our own into one that lives on personal freedoms and a total lack of government. Per the author the mere implementation of Libertarian ideas brings about a utopia. It's an unlikely idea, but I'm fine with granting the author his premise. It's no more ridiculous than the military veteran based democracy of Starship Troopers, the post-scarcity communitarianism of Star Trek, the Swedish based world government from the crosstime Worlds of the Imperium, or the apologia for the Soviet Georgian famine in The Dispossessed.
The book is as refreshingly gleeful in Libertarian principles as it was when I first read it decades ago. The book came out in 1979 and so was written during the Stagflation and moribund economy of the Carter years. It's set in 1987 which for me on first read was the near future. There's reference to massive inflation and government interference in all aspects of your life, topics which may seem quite current today.
There's quite a bit I didn't get even on my last readthrough sometime after college. Can't say I understood much about deficit spending, which comes up as an underlying issue for the "source" universe. The overreach by FBI agents feels depressingly like today. Perhaps Smith was simply off by a few decades. (Where oh where is my Broach?)
There is a lengthy plot point about a question no one asked: If the second amendment allows ownership of weapons, why can't a person own tactical nukes? Somehow this world, which organized volunteers to defeat the Czar, doesn't move quickly on that. Nope, we're left with a core of four people to foil the plot, which was conveniently revealed by a cackling Red Baron who tells them why he is superior. The only thing missing is an oiled mustache, or perhaps the villain petting a cat while explaining his plot. (People live a long time on the other side of the Broach, courtesy of technology brought about by, of course, Libertarians working without government interference.) Silly, but still fun.
Had you asked me in college I would have told you I was a Libertarian, without much understanding of what it meant. Being raised in heavily progressive Boston that meant I still voted Democrat when it mattered. I recall traveling back to the homestead from my Boston University dorm, a whopping three miles that nevertheless took a half hour on the slow as molasses trolley, to vote in some election or other. After picking the Democrat at the top two slots or so I voted the straight Libertarian ticket. We went down in flames with 0.6% of the vote. Ah, youth. Likely this book affected my viewpoint. Across the span of decades it's hard to remember.
The book has sly digs at a large variety of people. There's a barely competent second-story man (burglar) name of Tricky Dick Milhous. Looks like that world's Nixon might have had a Watergate altho he never got near the Presidency. "Buckley F. Williams" brings up unworkable suggestions in highly erudite, silly language, and gets voted down quickly.
I recall reading this book and it sequel eagerly, and the rest of the "North American Confederacy" books with somewhat less joy, but still fun. It's not the Confederacy of the Civil War, but rather the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution never took effect after Washington failed to put down the Whiskey Rebellion, and government taxation never took hold.
Enjoyable crosstime fun. It goes after sacred cows with gleeful abandon and may offend some. For me, it was a blast to read again.

I don't want to say much more as it might spoil what is a great story. Definite recommend. The book is listed as 177 pages so "novel" length by technical definition, but likely considered "novella" by today's readers. It's fast and fun. It's also a little odd to NOT have Hamilton go on and on and on the way he usually does, and there really is about as much story here as he usually does in 800 pages. Great read, blazes through concepts quickly and gets right to the point.

I totally got Project V.E.R.A. there, so that's really weird.

Going to try Alastair Reynolds's Pushing Ice next."
I think the Dresden books start to hit their stride in book 4, Summer Knight"
Tempting, Rick. Pushing Ice is annoying me.
Ooo Light Chaser too.


“The fuck am I doing here, Rita?” Her voice is the boreal wash of moonlight upon the bulwark of their ship-in-orbit: a reduction of the fantastic, tepid when it could have been of a devouring temperature. It is modulated, disinterested. But like fuck Maya is going to complain. Any contact with Rita is superior to the absence of such."
or
"Cross her dollar-store heart, there’s nothing Maya loathes more than this shoulder of rock she’s ascending, which is saying a lot given her sentiments about the asteroid itself. She recalls when this place was moondust and noxious ice-melt, inhospitable by every interpretation of the adjective. But no one cares when it’s just clones on ground zero. Work, die, mulch the corpses, brine the proteins in the appropriate solution, bring them back. Rinse, repeat in the name of capitalism, amen and all that crap."
The story's good too :)

In the past I've been able to deal with that by messing with the font type and size. Doesn't work this time. There is no way I'm reading a 350 page book by changing the font size every page to get at the bottom text and then changing again. As I close the browser I remember that sometimes it goes away on its own. I leave it overnight and yep, it's resolved itself. No idea why.
As for the book itself, at first it's subversively relatable. The MC is down on his luck in LA and looking for cheap housing. Been there, done that, lived in a studio in a downtrodden building for a year.
It doesn't even feel like SF for the first third as nothing particularly weird happens. It's a slow build tho and by the halfway point things are distinctly strange. By the end they're VERY strange. It's not like say a Niven Known Space story where you start off in a teleport booth or facing a neutron star. This is a more real-world kind of SFF, or at least it starts that way.
Overall the book felt like an Escape Room mystery. Core group solves mystery, etc. There's deliberate references to the Scooby gang. All in all I wasn't engaged all that much after the opener until about the halfway mark. That seems to be how Clines writes tho, a slow build to really weird stuff that makes total sense given the setup.
All in all fairly satisfying. There's two other "sidequels" to The Fold which was the S&L pick that got me interested in this book. I'll check them out. Over time, not urgently. Clines is an unusual taste and I've had enough for the moment.

I have one more book to read from that haul, but another book is coming out Wednesday I want to read. I'll get to that before I get that last book haul book.



As for Olaf Stapledon, his works are free to read on gutenberg press and probably other places. Star Maker is his best, but remember how long ago it was written. I found it slow when I first read it as a teen, and that was 40+ years ago. Last and First Men is also good.
Rendezvous with Rama is pretty great. Stop there if you haven't read the Gentry Lee "collaboration" followups. More like exploitation books based on a cocktail napkin from Clarke. *sigh* I'm fine with authors getting paid but those followed a long trend of classic books getting updates they didn't need.

Terra Nullius was pretty weak, I thought.
Currently reading A Psalm for the Wild-Built, which I didn’t realize was a novella. Started it this evening at dinner, already 1/3 of the way through. Pleasant so far, might be a utopia, which is a refreshing change.
Next up, either We Are Satellites or The Last Watch.

I wouldn't really recommend this one unless you're a completionist like me as it is mostly Heinlein being a grumpy old man (even when he was young), complaining about everything (publishers, editors, fan mail, etc.) to his agent.
One thing I noticed this time was that he referred to his juveniles as his "boys' books". It reminds me that people didn't think, in the 40's to 60's, science fiction would be of interest to girls. He did write a few stories for some girls' magazines but I think they weren't SF.

I really enjoyed this one a lot more than the first book of the trilogy. This is where the **** really shits the fan and Hamilton is so good at writing the **** hitting the fan. He’s taking a lot of ideas from his previous work and putting it together in a fun new way. There are a lot of interesting ideas about interstellar travel and interstellar civilization that I haven’t seen from him or anyone else really too.
Anyways I was so into it that I continued straight on into book 3, The Saints of Salvation.

Amen on the Gentry Lee books. Awful.




I felt the same way about both books. If she’d cut out the middle 300 pages they’d both be pure awesome.


And in hardcover: A Conspiracy of Truths by Alexandra Rowland.
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