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Is this a possible COVID endgame?
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Dec 01, 2021 09:42AM
Beau, sorry to disillusion you but the question does not revolve around you and never did. The question is, what is the greater good. That encouraging a virus that kills and damages is a good is not the view of everyone else.
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Beau wrote: "The message is, there is more than hope now if you get the virus. In fact, no matter what your circumstances, you’d have to be bloody unlucky to die from it. .."Tell that to the families that have dead relatives due to COVID.
Beau wrote: "Why are you linking to studies in favour of masks when you did not comment on the link I posted on the covid thread to the 50+ studies proving that masks are either pointless or even harmful to the wearer?..."That was my response to your link.
Ian wrote: "Beau, sorry to disillusion you but the question does not revolve around you and never did. The question is, what is the greater good. That encouraging a virus that kills and damages is a good is no..."
Glad we've found some common ground in the covid debate at last, Ian. Read the first paragraph of my last post.
Glad we've found some common ground in the covid debate at last, Ian. Read the first paragraph of my last post.
Papaphilly wrote: "Beau wrote: "The message is, there is more than hope now if you get the virus. In fact, no matter what your circumstances, you’d have to be bloody unlucky to die from it. .."
Tell that to the fami..."
Then tell it to the families of the 7.9 BILLION who haven't.
Tell that to the fami..."
Then tell it to the families of the 7.9 BILLION who haven't.
Beau wrote: "Ian wrote: "Beau, sorry to disillusion you but the question does not revolve around you and never did. The question is, what is the greater good. That encouraging a virus that kills and damages is ..."Beau, my response was to that sentence :-)
As to your response to Papaphilly, I have spoken to some people who have recovered from the virus. None of them recommended getting it.
Beau wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "Beau wrote: "The message is, there is more than hope now if you get the virus. In fact, no matter what your circumstances, you’d have to be bloody unlucky to die from it. .."Te..."
Lets talk to that group after they get the virus.
Things here in my southern part of the U.S. are pretty much back to normal. No mask requirements except in doctors' offices, which seems logical, as that's where you're most likely to encounter someone who's sick. Otherwise, things are good, and people who want to wear masks can wear them. I was driving the other day and saw a guy walking down the road by himself, talking on a phone and wearing a mask. What was he thinking? :-)
Scout wrote: "... talking on a phone and wearing a mask. What was he thinking? :-)..."Shoplifting maybe?
Scout wrote: "Things here in my southern part of the U.S. are pretty much back to normal. No mask requirements except in doctors' offices, which seems logical, as that's where you're most likely to encounter som..."Sometimes I wonder if they forget they have it on. I see people driving around here with them on all the time.
Scout wrote: "Things here in my southern part of the U.S. are pretty much back to normal...."
And with plenty of sensible southern governors fighting the people's corner, you can have every confidence that things will remain that way :)
Who knows if the mask guys realise whether or not they're wearing them? To a man and woman, they're a sandwich short of a picnic. I've seen some of them going on a run/ jog proudly wearing their masks. Now, Papaphilly, they are your Darwin Award winners.
And with plenty of sensible southern governors fighting the people's corner, you can have every confidence that things will remain that way :)
Who knows if the mask guys realise whether or not they're wearing them? To a man and woman, they're a sandwich short of a picnic. I've seen some of them going on a run/ jog proudly wearing their masks. Now, Papaphilly, they are your Darwin Award winners.
Beau wrote: "Scout wrote: "Things here in my southern part of the U.S. are pretty much back to normal...."And with plenty of sensible southern governors fighting the people's corner, you can have every confid..."
Oh? Have they died or been removed from the gene pool?
You don't have to die to win a Darwin Award. You only need to remove yourself from the gene pool through stupidity. For example, if you castrate yourself with a vacuum cleaner, you have stupidly removed yourself from the gene pool, yet you still live. So if they're too afraid of human contact to have human contact, then yes they may have removed themselves from the gene pool and therefore may be due a Darwin Award.
J. wrote: "You don't have to die to win a Darwin Award. You only need to remove yourself from the gene pool through stupidity. For example, if you castrate yourself with a vacuum cleaner, you have stupidly re..."From the website:
So how are the Darwin Awards actually determined?
Nominees significantly improve the gene pool by eliminating themselves from the human race in an obviously stupid way. They are self-selected examples of the dangers inherent in a lack of common sense, and all human races, cultures, and socioeconomic groups are eligible to compete. Actual winners must meet the following criteria:
Reproduction
Out of the gene pool: dead or sterile.
More rules, but this is the one we are talking about. You cannot be suggesting masks cause sterility or death?
https://darwinawards.com/rules/
One of the criteria that must be met is: "Astounding misapplication of judgment."Sorry, but wearing a mask would be ruled out on that ground. Even if you don't agree, it hardly merits "Astounding".
Masks, no. Germaphobia which prevents human contact and therefore causes de facto sterility, yes.
Ian wrote: "One of the criteria that must be met is: "Astounding misapplication of judgment."Sorry, but wearing a mask would be ruled out on that ground. Even if you don't agree, it hardly merits "Astounding"."
Some of these folks are wearing two masks while alone in the great outdoors and using alcohol based hand sanitizer constantly.
J. wrote: "Some of these folks are wearing two masks while alone in the great outdoors and using alcohol based hand sanitizer constantly. ..."Is that causing sterility or killing them?
Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "Some of these folks are wearing two masks while alone in the great outdoors and using alcohol based hand sanitizer constantly. ..."Is that causing sterility or killing them?"
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Ian and Papaphilly, you're right, I'm not including people who wear a mask for a few minutes in shops - they're just going through the motions and out for a quiet life.
I'm thinking about people who wear them (sometimes in the plural) whenever they leave their homes, even when exercising. They're clearly doing themselves a lot of harm and contributing to their own untimely demise. Add in the fact that they'll inevitably be jacking up on an experimental vaccine, which hasn't yet completed clinical trials, every 6 months and I don't think they've got too long left.
Graeme's leaky vaccine theory was incredibly insightful and a superb bit of reasoning, but I don't think it's the unvaccinated who need to be fearful. IMO, the stay safe brigade are living on borrowed time. I might have found them annoying but I certainly wouldn't wish that on them. They need to snap out of it for their own good ASAP.
I'm thinking about people who wear them (sometimes in the plural) whenever they leave their homes, even when exercising. They're clearly doing themselves a lot of harm and contributing to their own untimely demise. Add in the fact that they'll inevitably be jacking up on an experimental vaccine, which hasn't yet completed clinical trials, every 6 months and I don't think they've got too long left.
Graeme's leaky vaccine theory was incredibly insightful and a superb bit of reasoning, but I don't think it's the unvaccinated who need to be fearful. IMO, the stay safe brigade are living on borrowed time. I might have found them annoying but I certainly wouldn't wish that on them. They need to snap out of it for their own good ASAP.
Mathematics says that if everyone vaccinated, the virus would be extinguished. This is what happened to smallpox, and effectively things like measles in many countries. The unvaccinated keep the virus alive and able to mutate. That vaccinated can get the virus is not the issue, because the reproductions are part of a series that goes to zero. The vaccinated can tolerate some unvaccinated, the herd immunity concept, but there are too many of them at the moment. In Sth Africa I gather less than a quarter are vaccinated, so the virus will keep mutating there.
Ian wrote: "Mathematics says that if everyone vaccinated, the virus would be extinguished. This is what happened to smallpox, and effectively things like measles in many countries. The unvaccinated keep the vi..."And yet the western democracies are screaming about mandates for the remaining minority of unvaccinated, while refusing to take any serious steps to vaccinate people in third world countries. What does the science say is more effective, breaking your society to vaccinate the remaining <30%, or building good will in impoverished nations by vaccinating the 90% that want it?
It is all about sovereignty. There are plenty of vaccines available for African countries, and on our news we found that one vaccine maker is going to have to destroy out of date doses. They were made for Africa, but the governments do not place orders.Un less you are planning on having some sort of military invasion accompanied by jabbers to forcibly jab them, there is not much we can do about it. The countries do not want to place orders, so that is that.As for 70% vaccinated being enough for herd immunity, it doesn't seem to be.
So a government vaccinating foreigners by force is bad, but doing it to their own citizens is OK?
J. wrote: "So a government vaccinating foreigners by force is bad, but doing it to their own citizens is OK?"Yes
Exactly what would be your response to hordes of Chinese jabbers going around the US?And as far as i can tell, governments are not forcibly jabbing their citizens. They are offering the vaccine to those bright enough to accept it.
Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "So a government vaccinating foreigners by force is bad, but doing it to their own citizens is OK?"Yes"
What I see is politicians who have never demonstrated the qualities of leadership. And worse still, they have repeatedly demonstrated a lack of moral authority by violating their own rules. Now that large numbers of people have no respect for the hypocrisy that they spew, they threaten people with unemployment, and perhaps worse. I'm reminded of a quote:
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent"
- Isaac Asimov
Ian wrote: "It is all about sovereignty. There are plenty of vaccines available for African countries, and on our news we found that one vaccine maker is going to have to destroy out of date doses. They were m..."Hand's off of Africa :)
Don't think so, Ian: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/wo...
"Many countries still do not have anywhere near enough doses to inoculate their populations." This makes more sense. Besides, for your model to work you probably need to do it concomitantly
Nik, all I know is I saw on TV a vaccine maker say he had to destroy tens of millions of doses because African countries were not placing orders. I am assuming he knew what he was talking about, since there was a lot of work wasted. Note there would be a shortage of vaccines there if the countries are not ordering.
J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "So a government vaccinating foreigners by force is bad, but doing it to their own citizens is OK?"
Yes"
What I see is politicians who have never demonstrated the qua..."
J, I’ve liked and respected you from the moment I joined this group. For you to answer that point with such a dignified, thoughtful response puts you even higher in my estimations. You’re a better man than I am and your Asimov quote is a lesson to us all.
Yes"
What I see is politicians who have never demonstrated the qua..."
J, I’ve liked and respected you from the moment I joined this group. For you to answer that point with such a dignified, thoughtful response puts you even higher in my estimations. You’re a better man than I am and your Asimov quote is a lesson to us all.
I have to agree with J. and Beau on this one.
What do you guys think of this? "After a total of seven known cases of the Omicron variant had reportedly been confirmed in New York City, on Dec. 6, 2021, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a first-of-its-kind mandate requiring all private sector employers to implement mandatory employee vaccinations. The deadline for compliance with the new law is Dec. 27, 2021, just a few days before Mayor de Blasio leaves office upon the completion of his second four-year term. The mandate applies to any employer with in-person employees, regardless of workplace population or the size of employer." He also wants children as young as 5 to have at least one vaccine to enter public venues.https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/pub...
Beau wrote: "J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "So a government vaccinating foreigners by force is bad, but doing it to their own citizens is OK?"Yes"
What I see is politicians who have never demonstra..."
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
Scout wrote: "What do you guys think of this? "After a total of seven known cases of the Omicron variant had reportedly been confirmed in New York City, on Dec. 6, 2021, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a first-of..."Job will not hold up in court and even he admits this. As for as school, I agree with it. Children should not be unvaccinated and go to public school.
J. wrote: "Papaphilly wrote: "J. wrote: "So a government vaccinating foreigners by force is bad, but doing it to their own citizens is OK?"Yes"
What I see is politicians who have never demonstrated the qua..."
And yet they keep getting elected. What does that say about the electorate?
Papaphilly wrote: "And yet they keep getting elected. What does that say about the electorate?"It says that the Endless Waltz continues.
OK all of you Einsteins, you want to insult me, defend this one.https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/us/stu...
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/coro...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee...
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article...
So please take the time and explain in plain language how rights are being trampled upon. Because this is what I see, parents choose to trample upon the rights of children not to be infected.
So all of you that intimated that I am extreme or a Communist, not bright or just plain wrong, please explain why these parents should not be prosecuted? Please show me how this is not criminal behavior. Please tell me how people will do the right thing when given the chance.
These parents knowingly sent a child to school with a highly infectious disease that has killed 800,000 Americans and kills continuously 1,000 a day. You want to know why I am all for forcing public school vaccines on children except for medical conditions? Here it is in black and white. BTW, there are cases directly attributed to this sick kid on innocent children in their school and their extended families. The very thing I have been writing about is happening.
Oh it is OK, they acknowledge they made a poor decision and apologized. That made it all better.
Good article,Take the moment and read it. It explains a few things and actually provides hope.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medi...
After 2 years of humanity being dragged through the gutter and wallowing in a putrid concoction of dishonour, deceit and lies, the response to covid has just reached a new low.
Papaphilly wants to use 5-year-old schoolchildren as a human shield to protect himself from getting a sore throat and runny nose.
Ian, I call upon you, as arguably the senior covid cultist, to distance you and your followers from his depraved and monstrous comments.
Papaphilly wants to use 5-year-old schoolchildren as a human shield to protect himself from getting a sore throat and runny nose.
Ian, I call upon you, as arguably the senior covid cultist, to distance you and your followers from his depraved and monstrous comments.
Beau wrote: "After 2 years of humanity being dragged through the gutter and wallowing in a putrid concoction of dishonour, deceit and lies, the response to covid has just reached a new low.Papaphilly wants to..."
Nice try to avoid. Now man up an defend this or admit you are wrong. You better hope nobody dies from this case or I find other cases that lead to death, because you will wear it as a ring of shame. I will see to it. These parents forced their choice on others. How is that feeedom?
Beau, what I don't understand is how you can say that someone who says you should not send a child to school when you know they are infected with a virus that has killed about 800,000 in that country as " depraved and monstrous". I see no good reason to send a clearly sick child to school. At the risk of being called all sorts of names, I always kept our children at home when they were sick. The child gets better care and will not be able to infect others.
Papaphilly wrote: "OK all of you Einsteins, you want to insult me, defend this one.https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/us/stu...
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/coro......
..... These parents knowingly sent a child to school with a highly infectious disease that has killed 800,000 Americans and kills continuously 1,000 a day....."
Why would anyone defend it? If one has the virus s/he should isolate not to transmit it to other and return back to school/work whatever after it's over. Pretty much like with any other disease. It's not the same thing as assuming everyone who didn't take the vaccine has the virus.
Papaphilly, my last post was directed at your demand that only vaccinated children be allowed to attend school. After reading that you (someone whom I like and respect) were trying to use children as a human shield to protect yourself from covid, I went to bed crying before I could read your longer post with the links.
And vaccinating children against covid IS using them as a human shield because, as has been proven time and time again, the virus is no threat to them but the vaccines could (could) be. As I've said before, should the level of threat change, we'll need to look at what variables have changed, and the obvious one has 7 letters and begins with a 'v'. Vaccine. If the unthinkable happens and covid starts killing kids, it is everybody's DUTY to examine, before anything else, whether the vaccine has caused it.
Regarding your links, I agree with you. The parents are clearly morons. If they tested a healthy, symptomless child for covid using an unreliable test then they are morons. If they sent a poorly child to school, stalling the child's recovery and risking giving their classmates a sore throat and runny nose, they are also morons. I wouldn't dream of trying to defend their actions.
And vaccinating children against covid IS using them as a human shield because, as has been proven time and time again, the virus is no threat to them but the vaccines could (could) be. As I've said before, should the level of threat change, we'll need to look at what variables have changed, and the obvious one has 7 letters and begins with a 'v'. Vaccine. If the unthinkable happens and covid starts killing kids, it is everybody's DUTY to examine, before anything else, whether the vaccine has caused it.
Regarding your links, I agree with you. The parents are clearly morons. If they tested a healthy, symptomless child for covid using an unreliable test then they are morons. If they sent a poorly child to school, stalling the child's recovery and risking giving their classmates a sore throat and runny nose, they are also morons. I wouldn't dream of trying to defend their actions.
Papaphilly wrote: "OK all of you Einsteins, you want to insult me, defend this one.https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/us/stu...
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/coro......"
Why would I defend them? Their actions were reprehensible and would have been reprehensible before the Coof. Or are you saying that it would have been OK to send the kid to school with any highly infectious disease other than the Coof?
By the way, your flattery is wasted on me. I have no delusions about my intellect being in any way comparable to Einstein. I'm just not that smart. Of course, it's possible that you meant it as an ad hominem. But no charitable reading would permit me to believe that you would deign to sully your reputation with such a base logical fallacy.
Papa, your statement "or I find other cases that lead to death, because you will wear it as a ring of shame. I will see to it." We discuss things here civilly and without threats or rancor. I hope you get that.
As for vaccinating children, data shows that "Only a small proportion of young children with Covid get severely ill or die. Though weekly data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that Covid deaths among children under age 15 also reached its highest level in September, only 41 children died of Covid from Sept. 4 to Oct. 2." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...That's 41 children in the U.S. population of 333,797,157.
And if you want to talk about children spreading Covid, about 60% of the population has immunity. I'd say that immunization should focus on the adults and not the children. We still don't know the side effects that may appear years from now from these shots. Why subject young children to something we don't know is safe when they're at such low risk?
Having come clean on the Miss Universe pageant thread, I have one more job to do this morning to completely clear my conscience.
Papaphilly, I didn't go to bed crying with upset over your vaccine comments; I went to bed literally crying with laughter over my post to you.
I don't think that you're depraved and monstrous really. You're plain wrong on giving vaccines to kids, certainly, (although I've no doubt you're well-meaning) but I don't think you're depraved and monstrous :)
Papaphilly, I didn't go to bed crying with upset over your vaccine comments; I went to bed literally crying with laughter over my post to you.
I don't think that you're depraved and monstrous really. You're plain wrong on giving vaccines to kids, certainly, (although I've no doubt you're well-meaning) but I don't think you're depraved and monstrous :)
Scout wrote: "Papa, your statement "or I find other cases that lead to death, because you will wear it as a ring of shame. I will see to it." We discuss things here civilly and without threats or rancor. I hope ..."Guys bear with me. I just found out that my friends four year old probably has it. I consider this kid my first grandchild. if I am bit testy, please understand. I may be off for a few days.
