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Is this a possible COVID endgame?
Graeme, are you Q?It is a logically self consistent theory of a crime, provided that the boards of directors have some insurance policy against getting dead themselves. If true I would expect leaks of internal memos by disgruntled employees.
It does have a bond villain feel to it.That said, and if we assume incompetence is more likely than malice, than it becomes a real risk that needs to be mitigated.
Mitigations include.
Vaccines that sterilize the virus - i.e. block transmission.
Anti-viral treatments that kill the virus and prevent transmission.
No transmission = no leakage.
You're yelling to close the barn doors after the horses have fled. The mRNA vaccines seem to be increasing the viral load required to become symptomatic and thus may reduce the R 0 of an infected individual but will increase the rate of asymptomatic carriers in an inoculated population.
Companies are not governments despite what they sometimes think and how they sometimes behave. Governments have legal power. Pfizer could easily be accused of profiteering especially when compared to AZ.Governments have been know to issue emergency tax laws for excessive profits, nationalise companies, or take other actions. UK Government did the tax on profits against North Sea Oil producers
Perhaps some sabre rattling from politicians is in order or is that considered too socialist?
Leaky vaccines and their possible ramifications don't sound good. Surely, companies are happy to have locked-in clients. I hope the hype and propaganda will diminish and current and being -developed vaccines and cures will be appraised more soberly, desirably in a manner more insulated from corporate influence. On top of that, different data, incl. those accumulated in systems like VAERS in the States and its analogue in the UK, collecting reports on side effects, will also be carefully sifted through.
The vaccines that received emergency clearance are sold at the moment as the only available tool, but hopefully we'll have more and better.
I look at the official graph of my Ministry of Health and the curve of growing of patients in serious condition is similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated.
The official vaccination certificate I received, inter alia, contains this sentence "The scientific evidence on Covid-19 vaccination, testing and recovery continues to evolve, also in view of new variants of concern of the virus."
Long live the evolvement
My technical/medical knowledge regarding vaccinations of any type is limited to personal experience and what I read, see, and hear on the various news outlets. What I personally know is this:My 4 adult children, 5 grandchildren, 3 sons-in-law, and I received the 'Moderna' vaccine this past April (1st. shot Apr. 2 & 2nd. shot shot Apr. 30). To-date we have all been enjoying good health, an active social life, and experienced no symptons at all of the Coronavirus.
I am now 74-years-old and have recieived the following vaccinations during my lifetime: Polio, Small Pox, Diphtheria, Shingles, various Flue shots, along with numerous shots while serving in the military for Anthrax, Malria, and several other illnesses common in some Asian countries. I never suffered from any of the aforementioned ailments.
For whatever reason at the time they were available, I did not receive the Chicken Pox, Measles, or Mumps vaccines. At various times, I sufferred from all 3 ailments.
So far, the vast majority of those suffering serious illeness from Covid, requiring extended hospital stays and, unfortunately in some cases, death, have been the unvaccinated.
Based upon my personal experience and knowledge, I am definitely pro-vaccine. As the situation evolves, so will my knowledge and opinion.
Our ability to deal with the virus is improving, and the death rate is seriously lower than the initial burst when nobody knew what to do.However, Graeme is wrong that natural selection removes pathogens that are so hot they kill the host. When infection starts either the host dies or not, but the virus always dies. Evolution favours the ability to reproduce and transfer before the host dies and corona is in a strong position because it can infect before symptoms develop.
I rather fancy the ability of vaccines to develop hotter viruses is simply because they have to be hotter to get over the vaccine. Given that these vaccines do not guarantee immunity but rather ameliorate the infection, hotter viruses will evolve unless we try for elimination, and most countries have abandoned that approach.
J. wrote: "It is a logically self consistent theory of a crime, provided that the boards of directors have some insurance policy against getting dead themselves. If true I would expect leaks of internal memos by disgruntled employees...."They always get first access to the vaccines. Hence protected.
Ian wrote: "However, Graeme is wrong that natural selection removes pathogens that are so hot they kill the host. When infection starts either the host dies or not, but the virus always dies. Evolution favours the ability to reproduce and transfer before the host dies and corona is in a strong position because it can infect before symptoms develop...."First off, I didn't say that above, however, it is generally accepted that super-lethal viruses tend to burn out fast...
The second part of the paragraph is essentially similar to what I related from the vet science paper.
The vaccinated hosts provide a 'leaky vessel,' for the transmission of a virus that becomes increasingly lethal to the unvaccinated.
Your last point "Evolution favours the ability to reproduce and transfer before the host dies and corona is in a strong position because it can infect before symptoms develop" becomes complete when it has this additional statement.
Evolution favours the ability to reproduce and transfer before the host dies and corona is in a strong position because it can infect before symptoms develop, and be retransmitted by people vaccinated with 'leaky vaccines,' that do not prevent retransmission of the virus.
Ian wrote: "I rather fancy the ability of vaccines to develop hotter viruses is simply because they have to be hotter to get over the vaccine. Given that these vaccines do not guarantee immunity but rather ameliorate the infection, hotter viruses will evolve unless we try for elimination, and most countries have abandoned that approach...."Specifically, Given that these vaccines do not guarantee immunity but rather ameliorate the infection, hotter viruses will evolve unless we try for elimination, or deploy sterilizing vaccines and/or antiviral treatments that prevent retransmission, and most countries have abandoned
Now you have what I'm relating from the two science papers above.
Also note that this was known and established science 6 years ago.
My basic hypothesis is testable with the following prediction.If I'm correct, then we will see the following measurable events occur.
[1] Viral retransmission from vaccinated hosts to everyone else, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
[2] Vaccinated hosts will have reduced symptoms and pathology in comparison to the unvaccinated.
[3] The virus will remain endemic and will continue to evolve.
[4] Additional 'booster,' vaccinations will be deployed on anywhere from 6 to 12 months on a rolling basis. (I.e. one after the other, every 6 to 12 months).
[5] Overtime, the pathology gap between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated will widen with ever increasing severity reflected in hospitalizations, ICU visits, mortality, and long-covid morbidity.
If those events fail to happen then I was (fortunately) wrong, and I'll break out a bottle of fine champagne and toast my error.
Graeme wrote: "They always get first access to the vaccines. Hence protected."First access is only desirable if one has high confidence in the pharmaceutical. A leaky vaccine which creates ideal conditions for new, potentially more virulent, strains is not conducive to high confidence.
One could imagine a situation in which an expensive, though minimally effective, prophylactic was created at the same time that a cheap and highly effective treatment was found. In that situation, it might be lucrative to suppress knowledge of the treatment and push the prophylactic, secure in the knowledge that if you get sick you can use the cheap and effective treatment. Proposing such a scenario as fact would be an accusation of one of the most depraved crimes in human history. Therefore ethics demands evidence.
As for my second hypothesis of corporate intent, I propose the following test.If I am correct that leaky vaccines are being deployed for the pursuit of ultimate wealth and power by a politically and financially powerful elite, then the following measurable events should occur.
[1] Stories associating negative effects to leaky vaccines will be suppressed across the media, including the dominant social media.
[2] The unvaccinated will be blamed for rises in covid cases, supressing the idea that the vaccinated can infect others.
[3] Companies such as Pfizer and Modena will see increasing revenue, profits, and market share.
[4] (H/t, Philip) The government will not seize these profits or intervene.
[5] People proposing this idea will be discredited as conspiracy theorists.
Noting that the above does not require any special planning, just a willingness to pursue a market opportunity to establish customer lock on a perpetual basis delivering massive revenue and profits.
This could all begin with two events.
[1] An accidental leak of a gain-of-function enhanced virus from the Wuhan lab (now the dominant view),
[2] The rushed deployment of inadequate vaccines.
There doesn't have to be an old bald guy with a monocle stroking a hairless cat somewhere behind it all.
Only incompetence and greed are required, and humanity has plenty of both those characteristics.
Hypotheses at this point, J.As for the scenario you paint, Remdesivir and Ivermectin come to mind.
Graeme wrote: "As for my second hypothesis of corporate intent, I propose the following test.If I am correct that leaky vaccines are being deployed for the pursuit of ultimate wealth and power by a politically ..."
Your events would also be the expected outcomes of a vast government bureaucracy clutching at straws and hiding its own incompetence after being confronted with an outbreak for which it was unprepared. Propaganda, information control, and the military-industrial complex...
Graeme, frightening and fascinating posts. Ties in well with your GoF research info and the chats we’ve all had about the vaccines potentially causing the variants. Obviously, I hope it’s all wrong but it’s far more plausible than the nonsense narrative we’ve had to listen to from our leaders for the last 18 months.
Couple of thoughts…
I’ve privately wondered for a while if our leaders have been played too. If there are an uber rich group of very powerful people who sit above elected governments in the pecking order (surely, this is the case), it is likely they are globalists who believe in a world government, are big on the carbon cutting agenda and have Bond-villain-like delusions of grandeur. What if something untoward has been going on and they blow the whistle on it with the aim of causing worldwide revolutions and the complete destruction of the status quo? They then appear as the saviours to lead us all into a ‘brighter’ future of their own design. Combine the leaky vaccines (stronger virus) with the bloodshed from worldwide revolutions and you have a potential solution to what these globalists see as the world’s overpopulation crisis too.
Also, as you know, so far I’ve downplayed the threat of the virus. I think I’ve been right to do so. That said, I have a nasty feeling about this winter. Perhaps project fear has finally got to me? I just can’t put my finger on it. Anyway, if (big if) we experience a more lethal wave over the coming winter, because that would go contrary to all past viruses’ natural cycles, it says to me that either the virus is manmade and/ or your leaky vaccine theory is right. We won’t have long to find out.
Couple of thoughts…
I’ve privately wondered for a while if our leaders have been played too. If there are an uber rich group of very powerful people who sit above elected governments in the pecking order (surely, this is the case), it is likely they are globalists who believe in a world government, are big on the carbon cutting agenda and have Bond-villain-like delusions of grandeur. What if something untoward has been going on and they blow the whistle on it with the aim of causing worldwide revolutions and the complete destruction of the status quo? They then appear as the saviours to lead us all into a ‘brighter’ future of their own design. Combine the leaky vaccines (stronger virus) with the bloodshed from worldwide revolutions and you have a potential solution to what these globalists see as the world’s overpopulation crisis too.
Also, as you know, so far I’ve downplayed the threat of the virus. I think I’ve been right to do so. That said, I have a nasty feeling about this winter. Perhaps project fear has finally got to me? I just can’t put my finger on it. Anyway, if (big if) we experience a more lethal wave over the coming winter, because that would go contrary to all past viruses’ natural cycles, it says to me that either the virus is manmade and/ or your leaky vaccine theory is right. We won’t have long to find out.
Hi Beau,Both the above hypotheses will be revealed as (not yet disproven) or false within 18 months to 2 years.
Events move quickly.
As for your other point about ruling elites, I could start another thread about crypto-feudalism and the various forms of corporate statism (west) or state corporatism (east) that I use as frameworks to understand the world.
New thread sounds like a great idea, Graeme.
The covid debate in this group has been superb. All sides have supplied an excellent combination of facts, stats and theories. It’s been an education reading everyone’s posts.
Philip might shake his head (and possibly fist) at this lightweight point but I know (just know lol) that the big news in this saga is still to come. I don’t want a grand conspiracy revelation but I can feel it coming. Graeme’s 12-18 month timescale sounds about right.
One thing’s for sure, when it happens, alpacas will no longer be dominating the UK’s news bulletins.
The covid debate in this group has been superb. All sides have supplied an excellent combination of facts, stats and theories. It’s been an education reading everyone’s posts.
Philip might shake his head (and possibly fist) at this lightweight point but I know (just know lol) that the big news in this saga is still to come. I don’t want a grand conspiracy revelation but I can feel it coming. Graeme’s 12-18 month timescale sounds about right.
One thing’s for sure, when it happens, alpacas will no longer be dominating the UK’s news bulletins.
Strictly speaking, my hypotheses do not involve a conspiracy, merely the confluence of incompetence and greed...
Not that long time to wait and see, in case we manage to hang on. With so many people from the close circle getting it these days, corona itself may claim a lot of locked in clients, despite all the efforts and sacrifices :( The official data refers to 5-6 years ago, while in the media there are too many reports of prima facia healthy people having sudden cardiac arrests. Hope unconnected to anything nor anything out of regular course of affairs, but that's my personal aspect of concern..
Concerning news, Nik.
On a slight tangent, over the last 18 months, stats have been available to back up almost every opinion, making me an even greater fan of Mark Twain’s sayings.
However, one caught my eye the other week – that the number of UK virus deaths is greater than this time last year. I’ve yet to find anyone dispute this.
At the risk of sounding like a fully paid-up member of project fear, with the zeal of the convert, this doesn’t bode well. Last year, nobody was vaccinated, fewer wore masks and (to pinch Philip’s saying) there were more low-hanging apples on the tree. Also, many people have now had 18 months of minimal contact with others and less fresh air than they’re used to, due to lockdowns and masks. Not a good way to prepare to fight a contagious respiratory illness.
What’s more, our NHS waiting lists now stand in the millions. It’s not a good time to get ill in the UK.
No, Ian, I won’t be recommending lockdowns ;)
On a slight tangent, over the last 18 months, stats have been available to back up almost every opinion, making me an even greater fan of Mark Twain’s sayings.
However, one caught my eye the other week – that the number of UK virus deaths is greater than this time last year. I’ve yet to find anyone dispute this.
At the risk of sounding like a fully paid-up member of project fear, with the zeal of the convert, this doesn’t bode well. Last year, nobody was vaccinated, fewer wore masks and (to pinch Philip’s saying) there were more low-hanging apples on the tree. Also, many people have now had 18 months of minimal contact with others and less fresh air than they’re used to, due to lockdowns and masks. Not a good way to prepare to fight a contagious respiratory illness.
What’s more, our NHS waiting lists now stand in the millions. It’s not a good time to get ill in the UK.
No, Ian, I won’t be recommending lockdowns ;)
Beau wrote: "Concerning news, Nik.On a slight tangent, over the last 18 months, stats have been available to back up almost every opinion, making me an even greater fan of Mark Twain’s sayings.
However, one ..."
ONS death statistics - all causes weekly in UK
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati...
Average figure for UK would be 13,000 per week (to meet 680,000 annual deaths average figure). Weekly figures in July were approx 10,000 i.e. current overall death rate is lower than average but that also reflects summer (however bad the weather) has lower death rate than winter
I still suspect it will be years before statistics are clear globally let alone in UK where data collection is reasonably good even if cause allocation is troublesome. Unfortunately full autopsy reports were not going to happen due to weight of numbers - they only happen in normal times in suspicious or unknown circumstances therefore all cause data is always suspect unless its obvious e.g. head injury in car crash.
As stated in another thread world and UK population is still increasing
Philip, take a look at the UK’s covid deathrate over the last few days (obviously, using the same dubious recording method as last year):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronav...
It is well up on this time last year. This is not the pattern shown by naturally-occuring viruses. There’s something fishy going on.
Either Graeme’s leaky vaccine scenario is at play or we are dealing with an incredibly unpredictable manmade virus.
Papaphilly, you’re right – this isn’t the flu. My apologies for ever claiming it was. Unfortunately, I think even you may have underestimated the deadliness of this particular virus.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronav...
It is well up on this time last year. This is not the pattern shown by naturally-occuring viruses. There’s something fishy going on.
Either Graeme’s leaky vaccine scenario is at play or we are dealing with an incredibly unpredictable manmade virus.
Papaphilly, you’re right – this isn’t the flu. My apologies for ever claiming it was. Unfortunately, I think even you may have underestimated the deadliness of this particular virus.
Beau wrote: "Philip, take a look at the UK’s covid deathrate over the last few days (obviously, using the same dubious recording method as last year): https://www.worldometers.info/coronav...
It..."
Simple answer is a lockdown and restrictions is more effective than pure virus prevention. We also had only one variant no Beta or Delta
As I said years of analysis will follow with all the usual hindsight histories what ifs to follow
Philip wrote: "Beau wrote: "Philip, take a look at the UK’s covid deathrate over the last few days (obviously, using the same dubious recording method as last year):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronav......"
Thing is, there was no lockdown and fewer mask wearers this time last year. The big difference now is that most of the population are vaccinated and yet there are more people dying.
As for the variants, they have appeared since the vaccine rollout. And I think I'm right in saying (can Ian or others confirm?) that a variant has never been deadlier than its original virus.
Although we'll know more by spring, in these early stages it appears something is not going according to historical precedent.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronav......"
Thing is, there was no lockdown and fewer mask wearers this time last year. The big difference now is that most of the population are vaccinated and yet there are more people dying.
As for the variants, they have appeared since the vaccine rollout. And I think I'm right in saying (can Ian or others confirm?) that a variant has never been deadlier than its original virus.
Although we'll know more by spring, in these early stages it appears something is not going according to historical precedent.
Graeme wrote: "Strictly speaking, my hypotheses do not involve a conspiracy, merely the confluence of incompetence and greed..."I'm voting for greed because: 'CDC Members Own More Than 50 Patents Connected to Vaccinations'.
https://www.lawfirms.com/resources/en...
A variant can be more or less deadly than the parent, but it is very rare, as far as I know, for the variant cooked naturally to change its "deadly-ness" in a short time, mainly because a variant is usually a minor change on the original.That most people are vaccinated won't stop the virus. I think it is endemic now. The time for the elimination strategy was early on, ut the early lockdowns were not really full lockdowns in most places but rather a means of reducing the load on hospitals. Now that people are returning to "normal life", the transmissibility will resemble that of the common cold, another corona virus at least for a third of them. And like the common cold, eventually evolution will give us the defences to live with it, but evolution is of not much help to you after you have been born.
J. wrote: "Graeme, are you Q?..."Graeme wrote: "It does have a bond villain feel to it...."
When I read J's post, I was trying to figure out what Star Trek had to do with it. Good thing Graeme's comment was there so I realized it was James Bond's Q.
An excellent example of dominant narrative management by the WHO."“Vaccine injustice and vaccine nationalism” increase the risk of more contagious variants emerging, Tedros said.
“The virus will get the chance to circulate in countries with low vaccination coverage, and the delta variant could evolve to become more virulent, and at the same time more potent variants could also emerge,” he said."
No mention of leaky vaccines causing new and deadly variants, no, if new dangerous variants arrive, the only explanation is 'the unvaccinated,' are to blame.
REF: (Canadian news): https://globalnews.ca/news/8133935/co...
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...Nice article, but watch the caveats. I certainly understand why, but what does it really say then?
Regarding 'leaky vaccines,' ref the latest research in The Lancet.New research suggests/finds that vaccinated people are just as infectious as unvaccinated. However vaccinated people still have reduced harm from the virus.
"Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory."
REF: Lancet: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...
C/f point [2] in MSG 1: above. This is exactly what I'm referring to.
Graeme wrote: "My basic hypothesis is testable with the following prediction.If I'm correct, then we will see the following measurable events occur.
[1] Viral retransmission from vaccinated hosts to everyone else, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
[2] Vaccinated hosts will have reduced symptoms and pathology in comparison to the unvaccinated.
[3] The virus will remain endemic and will continue to evolve.
[4] Additional 'booster,' vaccinations will be deployed on anywhere from 6 to 12 months on a rolling basis. (I.e. one after the other, every 6 to 12 months).
[5] Overtime, the pathology gap between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated will widen with ever increasing severity reflected in hospitalizations, ICU visits, mortality, and long-covid morbidity.
If those events fail to happen then I was (fortunately) wrong, and I'll break out a bottle of fine champagne and toast my error...."
Test events [1], [2], [3], and [4] are all demonstrably occurring.
Now we just await test event [5].
If the unvaccinated see an increase in harm and lethality from new versions of the virus, then we are precisely in a Marek’s disease (MD) scenario.
C/f point [1] MSG 1: above.
Do we really think that there's a Covid end game? Isn't it going to be with us forever like the seasonal flu?
Scout wrote: "Do we really think that there's a Covid end game? Isn't it going to be with us forever like the seasonal flu?"I do think this becomes endemic and will eventually be like the flu, something we need to deal with, but much less deadly.
Since the disovery, proliferation, and acceptance by the vast majority of the world's population of vaccines for Polio, Diphtheria, Small Pox, Chicken Pox, Measles, Mumps, Shingles, and Flu, they are no longer considered a major threat and are not nearly as often experienced and seldom prove fatal when they do; however, they still exist. I believe that the same fate awaits the Corona virus.
Scout wrote: "Do we really think that there's a Covid end game? Isn't it going to be with us forever like the seasonal flu?"Hi Scout, like Papaphilly, Jim, and yourself, I see Covid as (is now) endemic.
I also think we'll be facing ongoing booster shots for the foreseeable future.
My question is this, will the covid virus ...
[1] Hope for: Attenuate over time becoming generally less lethal, or
[2] Fear: Become more lethal, particularly for the unvaccinated.
The reason I fear the second option, and why I think it is a real possibility, is the example of Marek’s disease (MD) expressed in the first comment on this thread, and the presence of 'leaky vaccines,' that could create a more lethal version if the Marek’s disease scenario plays out.
It's already more lethal for the unvaccinated, which everyone should know by now. Some people refuse the shots because they've already had Covid and feel they're immune. Personally, I wouldn't count on that. Others refuse shots because they don't like to be dictated to by government. I get that, but I'd say common sense should prevail. Here's something you guys may not know. Some people here in the Bible Belt see being vaccinated as a denunciation of their faith. My friend's son is an assistant pastor, and he and his family have been vaccinated, but they're keeping it quiet and saying they haven't been vaccinated because of his job. There's a lot of pressure on Christians to remain unvaccinated and put their faith in God. Doesn't make sense to me, but there it is.
If it helps, the two major clusters in the two Auckland outbreaks involved churches. Each outbreak started with major spreading from church services and probably subsequent social gathering. There was no divine help.
Ian wrote: "If it helps, the two major clusters in the two Auckland outbreaks involved churches. Each outbreak started with major spreading from church services and probably subsequent social gathering. There ..."As there wasn't in mosques, synagogues or any other gathering. If any one who believes in God believes God will protect them from a virus or other disease I refer them to every catastrophe, disaster or illness in history.
An adage that has been quoted by believers for decades:"God helps those who help themselves."
Some people believe in miracles and divine help, even if they never witnessed them, some interpret unlikely events as miracles, and sometimes miracles really happen and they need not necessarily be attributed to divine help :)
Scout wrote: "It's already more lethal for the unvaccinated, which everyone should know by now...."Hi Scout, the Marek's scenario is a little more nuanced. The specific metric that matters is the impact of new versions of the virus on the unvaccinated, and only the unvaccinated.
This is about comparing each wave of the virus on the unvaccinated, not the comparison of the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.
The shift from Alpha (first wave) to Delta could not show a Marek's scenario as the initial population were all unvaccinated.
The Alpha wave is our original baseline case for the danger of the virus to the unvaccinated. There is ample data of hospitalizations, ICU visits, death, long covid, etc across all population age groups with and without co-morbidities. But we can't use it to signal a Marek's scenario as no one was vaccinated.
Now we have a largely vaccinated populations (70% - 80% or even higher), so with Delta we are in a situation where Marek's scenario could occur.
So, how do we tell?
As each new version of covid arrives, we need to check the impact on the unvaccinated. If and only if, the impact on the unvaccinated rises vs the unvaccinated Delta data, then we could be entering a Marek's scenario.
I.e. The virus becomes more lethal against the unvaccinated as each new wave arrives.
In the Marek's scenario, the virus evolved to 100% lethality against unvaccinated chickens.
And given that the protective palliative effect of covid vaccines wears off quite quickly (6 months? Certainly less than a year), then, if we have a full blown Marek's scenario, than every single human being will need their vaccine booster every six months or die.
Imagine you are the majority shareholder of Pfizer and every single human being needs your product every 6 months or they die. How much can you charge for that product? How rich and powerful will you become? How untouchable will you be?
What a depressing scenario, Graeme. A choice between death and slavery. What makes it even more alarming is how convincingly you lay out your doomsday vision.
Do you know what age the chickens were in the Marek’s Disease example? The reason I ask is in the hopefully unlikely but seemingly plausible event that this happens, I wonder if very young people and children would have some sort of natural immunity? With my ultimate dystopian conspiracy hat on, are they been fed the vaccine to somehow remove this natural immunity and make them dependent on the vaccine for their own future survival?
Do you know what age the chickens were in the Marek’s Disease example? The reason I ask is in the hopefully unlikely but seemingly plausible event that this happens, I wonder if very young people and children would have some sort of natural immunity? With my ultimate dystopian conspiracy hat on, are they been fed the vaccine to somehow remove this natural immunity and make them dependent on the vaccine for their own future survival?
Beau, be careful with your conspiracies. 100% lethality is extremely rare. Prior to antibiotics, airborne Yersinia pestis was claimed to be 100% lethal, and Marburg comes fairly close, but SARS-CoV-2 is nowhere near that.Of course, if it is 2% lethal (or whatever) and you are one of the 2%, the lower probahility is not much comfort.
Thanks for the science info, Ian - much appreciated. But careful with that misinformation because covid has nowhere near 2% lethality. That would turn it from a moderate flu-like virus into a very serious one.
Btw, I'm not suggesting I believe the conspiracy, I simply find Graeme's theory really interesting and want to find out more about it. This is because I wouldn't put anything past the global elite at the moment and it's important to cover all bases.
Btw, I'm not suggesting I believe the conspiracy, I simply find Graeme's theory really interesting and want to find out more about it. This is because I wouldn't put anything past the global elite at the moment and it's important to cover all bases.
Msg #1, Beau - read it in full.Cheers G
[1] Marek's Disease (from 2016)
[2] Leaky Vaccines (from 2015). (my bolds)
[3] Vendor (Customer Lock)
[4] Pfizer revenue for the 1st half (6 months) of 2021.
From Statista at https://www.statista.com/chart/25434/...
Putting my dystopic conspiracy hat on...
Imagine you are a hugely wealthy controlling shareholder of Pfizer, Moderna, etc.... You already know about leaky vaccines. You have an opportunity to establish customer lock on the entire world population through facilitating the development of a hyper-lethal variant of COVID that only your patented (annual or 6-monthly) vaccinations can protect against.
Once customer lock has been established and there is a hyper-lethal version of COVID endemic across the world.
How much do you charge per vaccination?
How powerful would you be, holding life and death in your hands for every person on the planet for perpetuity?
Is something like this happening? Either intentionally or accidentally?