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Kelly wrote: "Teresa wrote: "I know, I need to do the Herb quest. In that quest one of the items is to read a book with the word "herb" in it. I wanted to know if it could be plural."Sure that's fine. Unless w..."
It does say exact word. Which is why I asked if plural counted as a variation.
Ahh, I'm ok with plural. I think that got added in after people asked about the words thyme and basil and such.
And don't worry. Dr. cottage will be communicating frequently.
Well, that's what I was afraid of. Mods, If you were trying to throw a wrench into Reva's game you did the one thing that don't affect her at all or only minimally while it spoils the game for almost everybody else. Do I need to explain the math to convince you? Or would simple logic suffice? Almost every player no matter how slow a reader aspires to get her/his horse and bunny. These are the only pets that really are worth having. These pets enhance your battle abilities (AP bonus and HP healing between battles) = they are handy if you want to attack monsters. BUT You only really need them if your AP stats are low (if your AP is as high as Reva's for instance you no longer depend on the horse. You can kill off the monsters in one shot anyway so you don't need the bunny either because you don't lose any HPs). The rest of the pets don't have any merit so here you go.
And as I said the bunny and the horse are for attacking things. When you killed all of the Uncommon monsters and Dragons, what is their practical use anyway?
Most of the slower readers took months to get their horses and bunnies and now you want them to hand over more books? Again for quickk readers it's no big deal so they can heal their pets relatively easily.
Tea, if there's logic behind this move I don't see it. But I might just have missed something. Could you explain it to me please?
Anyway, I just feel bad for people who got their horses and bunnies recently.
P.S. If you want to snip the wings of top players why not restrict the plague or sickness or whatever it is to high level players? (LVL 7 and higher, or LVL 8 and higher) It would still suck but at least that would make sense.
In support of Zuzana's comment I just did the following attacks:Attack #125 16/6/2015
✯Hero: Lvl 9 ✯Health: 23+1 ✯Sword Lvl 5 (+ 6) = 11 ✯ Staff Level 15 (+6) =21 ✯Exp: 524
Enhance weapon good till June 18/15
• Omnibus Troll -. (Population: 3). 7 Attack 35 Health - Reward: 3 Experience, 1 Heal Potion.
no cat
No horse
Hero attack 20 +3 -35 = 12
Troll attack 24 - 7 = 17 HP
Hero attack 20 +3 -12 = Troll #1 dead
Reward: 3 Experience, 1 Heal Potion., 1 Heal point (Orb of water)
✯Hero: Lvl 9 ✯Health: 17+1 ✯Sword Lvl 5 (+ 6) = 11 ✯ Staff Level 15 (+6) =21 ✯Exp: 527
Attack #126 16/6/2015
✯Hero: Lvl 9 ✯Health: 17+1 ✯Sword Lvl 5 (+ 6) = 11 ✯ Staff Level 15 (+6) =21 ✯Exp: 527
Hero attack 20 +3 -35 = 12
Troll attack 18 - 7 = 11 HP
Hero attack 20 +3 -12 = Troll #2 dead
Reward: 3 Experience, 1 Heal Potion 1 Heal point.
✯Hero: Lvl 9 ✯Health: 11+1 ✯Sword Lvl 5 (+ 6) = 11 ✯ Staff Level 15 (+6) =21 ✯Exp: 530
Attack #127 16/6/2015
✯Hero: Lvl 9 ✯Health: 11+1 ✯Sword Lvl 5 (+ 6) = 11 ✯ Staff Level 15 (+6) =21 ✯Exp: 530
Hero attack 20 +3 -35 = 12
Troll attack 12 - 7 = 5 HP
Hero attack 21 +3 -12= Troll #3 dead
Reward: 3 Experience, 1 Heal Potion 1 Heal point.
✯Hero: Lvl 9 ✯Health: 5 +1 ✯Sword Lvl 5 (+ 6) = 11 ✯ Staff Level 15 (+6) =21 ✯Exp: 533
As you can see, no real hardship for me or Zuzana -- you are just penalizing the other players.
The very day I got my bunny! Two months of reading down the drain. :-(
Oh my poor horse! Boo! I'll go and sit sadly in his stall and stroke his head *sob*...
Oh boy, I have just counted and it is going to take me a minimum of 7 books to heal him...and that's because I only have 2 more to go to get the Leech treatment complete. Can I just check - is the herb gained from finishing the repeatable herb quest?
Reva wrote: "In support of Zuzana's comment I just did the following attacks:...
As you can see, no real hardship for me or Zuzana -- you are just penalizing the other players. "
LOL! I have to disagree with your last statement! :)
I am where I am because of careful planning (not because of quick reading). I need that one extra AP given by the horse. My better weapon is AP 14 without the horse bonus and my hero is LVL 8 (so no rats!) and currently I have only 2 HPs. Without the horse and bunny I am limited to killing one goblin a week and that's it. So the plague affects my game rather significantly. But I am willing to take the punishment for killing the dragons too early in the game. It's just not fair to other players.
Please, limit the sickness to high level heroes or to people who have their pets for a longer amount of time, e.g. your bunny catches the plague if you have him 8 weeks or longer. In both cases it will affect me (it sucks but still it won't ruin my game entirely) and Reva (however minimaly) but it won't spoil the game for slower readers.
Tea, Kelly, please consider it!
P.S. I love the planning phase so even if the plague sucks at least I'll have fun planning around it.
NancyHelen wrote: "Oh my poor horse! Boo! I'll go and sit sadly in his stall and stroke his head *sob*...
I'm not sure how I'm going to fix him. I haven't got a heal potion - what is the quickest way to get one? A..."
NancyHelen, the quickest way (now that the caravan isn't coming) would be the Fairy Odd Path quest - you get 2 XPs and 1 Heal Potions for three books. Check out the Notice board. I think it's one of the March quests.
Other quests for you to consider: The Academy, Everybody Lies, or the Cat Lady - but they require more books than fairy Odd Path.
Here are all the quests yielding potions. You may need cards or timewalker potions. If they have expired. ✓ Healing-- 3 / 3 Minor Heal Potions
✓ Timewalker ( 10/ 10 ) Timewalker Potion
✓ Time For the Dead 12/ 12 + 2 / 2 exp pt. ; 1 / 1 Damage Potion
✓. The Academy
✓ 1. Associate Professor - Complete 3 Requirements: reward +3 Exp, 1 Heal Potion
✓. 2. Professor - Complete 6 Requirements + 4 Exp, 1 Major Heal Potion
✓. 3. Distinguished Professor - Complete all Requirements - +6 Exp, 1 Health Gem (grants +1 Max HP and Current HP)
✓. A Fairy Odd Path. REWARD: 1 Heal Potion and 2 experience
✓ . The Kindness of Strangers +1 exp and an enhanced weapon potion
✓. Everybody Lies.
Rewards:
✓. Treatment 1. 2 Healing Potions for trying the leech treatment.
✓. Treatment 2 1 Major Heal Potion for trying the Gillyweed treatment.
✓. Treatment 3. Gain 8 experience and heal your hp to max
Spock Guardian of Forever most important is plasma weapon
✓ Search 1 location to gain 3 experience. DONE 12/3/2015
✓ Search a second location to gain an additional 4 experience. DONE 13/3/2015
✓.Search a third location to gain an additional 5 experience. DONE 14/3/2015
✓ Search the final location to recover Spock's lost Plasma weapon. DONE 18/3/2015
✓. The Academy - History. Reward: 10 Experience and 1 Major Heal Potion
✓. Crazy Cat Lady Reward: +5 Experience and 1 Heal Potion
✓. Death's Requests Reward: Death's Gratitude
✓. Acquire 3 items to gain 3 experience. Done 6/5/2015
✓. Acquire 3 more items to gain an additional 4 experience. Done 6/5/2015
✓. Acquire 4 more items to gain an additional 5 experience. Done 1/6/2015
✓. Acquire all items to recover Deaths Gratitude DONE 10/6/2015
Death has offered you one wish to lower the starting hitpoints of a creature by 10.
✯. New Gang in TownReward 0 / 12 experience and 1 Heal potion
✯. The Academy - Literature Reward 0 / 10 Experience and 1 Major Heal Potion
✓. Mesomegomediment Reward 1 Time Walking Potion and 4 experience
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Sorry Zuzana I didn't realize you were hit as badly as you were.
Thank you for the advice, ladies. I discovered I only had two books to read to finish the first level of the Everybody Lies quest, so I think that might be my quickest way to get there.Also, Kelly would
be yellow enough for the plague cure? It was a book I abandoned a while ago because I just wasn't enjoying it, but if it works then I'll go back and try again...
OK everyoneFirst I'm apologizing upfront in case someone's feelings get hurt. I'm not attacking anyone, pointing fingers or something similar. I'm only trying to explain but we all know things don't come out always as we plan and they don't sound same to everyone.
Kelly and I stopped trying to slow down Reva a while ago. We just figured out there is no point, because whatever we do, she just goes through it and other heroes are those that are hit.
I'm also apologizing to all heroes that just got their animals. This was in plan before we went on our trips so no dragon slaying prompted it.
This wasn't punishment or attack on anyone. This is quest like any other we came up with. Only difference is we didn't expect slower readers to solve it since it is temporary. It would probably be over before they finish their cure books. I expected them to continue with their usual reading and quest solving. Only those faster readers who can easily adjust their reading would be ones who'd go for cure. Not to mention I was expecting you'd me more ticked off for caravan not coming. Looks like I was wrong.
I'm really sorry you are all seeing this wrong way. I know you don't see point in quests that don't benefit you at once (remember kitchen?) and it makes me wonder what would your reactions be if we said there would be some kind of reward in the end for troubles we caused.
Anyway, after all your posts, Kelly and I are discussing your suggestions, but with different time zones it'll take some time.
Again, slower readers shouldn't change their readings to get a cure.
I just want to say thank you for even putting in the time and effort to create this challenge. This has been the most fun challenge I have ever done. I am dreading the day that it comes to an end. It must be tough to be a mod, and I don't have any animals yet. But at least they don't die and the doctor is trying to find a cure. It doesn't look so bad.
Tea, I'm sorry if I came across as angry. I was not. I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I just wanted to understand what was the goal of this new "quest". Because it sure looked like a reaction to the dragon slaying. And Kelly confirmed it when she wrote: "Reva. We're trying things since the dragons are going down. If you don't want to participate just wait it out til Dr. Cottage gets a cure." If it was about trying to slow Reva down then it was bound to be ineffective (as proved by Reva several posts ago).
If you're not looking to affect slower readers than it won't work either. You're harming their ability to gain XPs through fighting common monsters which I imagine is vital for somebody who doesn't read many books. Because in the end how do you get XPs? If you read a lot than majority of your XPs comes from the books (completing quests) if you read let's say less than 10 books a month than most of your XPs come from fighting common monsters (rats, goblins) - Take the horse away and people whose better weapon is without the horse bonus either 4 AP, 6AP or 9 AP will have a problem. The same goes for the bunny if you don't have a high level weapon than even the 3 HPs a week help tremendously with your slaying (and getting XPs through battles).
So any way I look at it the plague will always affect the slower readers more than quick ones.
You know why I think people are reacting negatively to this? It's because they did commit to getting their pets under certain conditions and for some of them it was a big commitment (12 books for the horse, 14 or 15 books for the bunny). And this feels like you're changing the rules in the middle of the game.
❀Tea❀ wrote: "I'm really sorry you are all seeing this wrong way. I know you don't see point in quests that don't benefit you at once (remember kitchen?) and it makes me wonder what would your reactions be if we said there would be some kind of reward in the end for troubles we caused. "You know I'm not against quests that don't have instant benefits as long as I believe them to be good long-time investments (e.g. horses, bunnies, hats). They're worth their cost only after certain period of time (bunny, hats) or after you reach certain stats (horse). And it's fine because in time they will become worth the books they cost. And that's what I want to know before I commit to a quest that I'm not wasting my books on something that could have been obtained elsewhere for half the cost.
WHAT?!!? I have a seriously layed out plan to get all the HP and experience I need to start slaying less common monsters and then dragons! AND NO CARAVAN?I need to go cry in a corner and come back. It'll take me some time to re-arrange my summer reading plan now (which is the real reason I'm upset. I JUST got all my books to fit :( )
Wait wait wait. There's no Caravan?????And I'm about to finish my last horse book in an hour and he's not usable either?
I need to go back and read apparently, I don't understand this at all. Why is there no caravan? Is it permanently gone for good or just this month?
My entire next three months were planned out and thooooose are now scrapped. So this is super cool..........
Edit: Okay so is the caravan gone until EVERYONE has healed all of their pets? Or is it individually we are banned from the caravan until we heal all our pets? Because that's kinda messed up either way and also now I will just not get my horse until this is all over, which is potentially months from now. Sorry, I sound like a complete douchebag right now, huh? My bad. Not trying to. I was just so excited to finally be able to say LOOK I GOT MY HORSE! :D :D :D A year after everyone else has.
Cait wrote: "Wait wait wait. There's no Caravan?????And I'm about to finish my last horse book in an hour and he's not usable either?
I need to go back and read apparently, I don't understand this at all. Wh..."
Same Cait!! Now it seems like books for this cure are going to need to be read before all the rest...so I'll have to read a bunch I really didn't want to in order to get the cure before continuing my plan.
I am very close to getting my horse so I'm sad that he won't help me right away. On the other hand, this is the kind of thing that makes this challenge so much more interesting than any others I've joined. I will probably just wait for the cure and work on leveling up in the meantime. Thanks for keeping this so much fun!
Ok - phew now that I've thought about it, I agree with you Cathy. I'm going to ignore the cure and work on other things and hopefully it will go away before I really need to do it.
Mod
agreed. I'm going to be all about the weapons now :)
I agree that I'm fine with quests that don't have immediate benefits. I'm also fine with really long and in depth ones. I honestly have no complaints at all about ANY of the quests I've done up to now, it's been great and super fun.My problem comes in where...the entire reason I do this and the entire reason it's fun is the sense of accomplishment from finishing something. So to finish something I worked really hard on and then have the rug yanked out from underneath me like HAHAHA THAT WAS ALL POINTLESS!!! is not a really awesome feeling. And it makes me kind of second guess if there's a point to doing any of it, or if it's just going to end up being... The more things I finish/acquire the more it's going to cost me later. Should I bother getting a house when I'll eventually have to read 5 books to repair it? Should I build the kitchen if someday I'll have to read 10 books to add appliances?
I understand trying to slow down the faster readers (although you say you're not, but I can't imagine what else good this does) but it's almost destroying the ability to participate for anyone who isn't fast. Because it started to feel like progress was being made, but then bam...huge setback, no progress at all. And if things are going to continue to expire, there is absolutely no way anyone but one or two people will be able to stay on top of things. I know Kelly has said from the beginning that it's basically her goal to ensure no one can complete all the quests...but that kind of sucks. Why make a game that's impossible for people to play/enjoy fully?
*Deep breath and gets off soapbox*
Okay, I'm done now.
There's no need for people to do the cures unless they want their animals back right away. Otherwise Dr. Cottage will be solving this.There are going to be some additional things around this world event that I think will make people pleased. We're toying with the idea of a few other world events (not more plagues) so bear with us as we work out any kinks.
I will look into adding a new quest go gain health potions before the new months update.
I also will take into consideration not expiring any quests.
Zee wrote: "The very day I got my bunny! Two months of reading down the drain. :-("The timing really does suck and he's such a cute little thing to be sick. (but the reading isn't down the drain-he'll get better)
Guys:Given this new wrinkle in the game, I would recommend the following:
1. No caravan this month-- forget the Midas quests unless you stumble across a short read that absolutely fits.
2. Save in your tote but don't attribute books fulfilling any animal quests.
3. I was always reluctant, but saw the necessity of leveling up weapons -- the quests were more fun.
Cathy has the right idea. Rather than trying for cures and IMO! Totally wasting heal potions, you are better off picking a weapon and leveling it up as much as possible. The more common monsters that you can "one stroke", the better. Those attacks become your weekly guarantee of exp points without losing HP.
4 Since according to the mods, it seems the plague won't last forever, ignore it. Dont waste any books or potions on cures Work on the rest of the game and "weather it out".
Yup, you're right. That's what I was going to do myself. I need to get my staff to lvl 10 anyway. I'll just start to work on it sooner than I planned. :-)
Yay for not expiring any quests. Thank you, mods. A month of relative calm will do me good. :-)
Zuzana wrote: "Yay for not expiring any quests. Thank you, mods. A month of relative calm will do me good. :-)"Thank you!!!
Yes I was planning to up my sword...now I just have more motivation to do it right now!Deep breaths have made me freak out a little less :)
Well, I think I'm simply going to ignore the cure — I just got my squirrel and no horses, bunnies or falcons here.I'm sure Eddie will forgive me while I continue focusing on a few quests ;)
And YAY for not expiring any of them! Thanks so much, mods!
There's no difference for me because leveling a weapon is still not what I had books planned out in advance for. It's still swapping a ton of books out across about six challenges to make something work here that wasn't in the blueprints.I'm glad everyone else has found a way around being upset about it though lol
Where did the mods say they weren't expiring quests?? Is there another post going that I'm not on? (Serious question, not sarcasm, I don't see it anywhere on here. Just Kelly saying she would consider it.)
Cait - I think she said she would consider it and we are all cheering her on so that she won't! haha
Kelly is seriously considering it. Thanking her in advance might sway her in favour of the notion. ;-)
I think I'm just annoyed by the timing, although that's something that couldn't have been foreseen. I wish I'd have known about it beforehand because I've neglected challenges elsewhere to complete those last couple of bunny books and I would have just saved them for later if I knew there was no point earning my bunny just yet. Oh well. Gonna spend the downtime levelling my staff so I have a higher AP once my bunny can start healing me again so I can go for more monsters.
There will be some things for people to be doing to help Dr. Cottage. The timing was planned for a few weeks now so it wasn't aimed at anything specific.
How long would we have to wait for Dr Cottage?
Angel wrote: "How long would we have to wait for Dr Cottage?"In original idea we would just post one day that Dr Cottage found a cure and all animals are cured.
Now, it's going to be up to you guys how fast you'll help him find it.
❀Tea❀ wrote: "Angel wrote: "How long would we have to wait for Dr Cottage?"In original idea we would just post one day that Dr Cottage found a cure and all animals are cured.
Now, it's going to be up to you gu..."
How can we help?
Angel wrote: "How can we help? "We are still working on details, but it's basically going to be that heroes are going to collect ingredients for Cottage to help him out.
So for the moment ignore those cure recipes
You can still do the cure recipes if you want.I plan to post Dr. Cottages first update tonight. We just need to get it written out. He's a very busy man.
Ok so I think I understand this a little better now, because this was set up from the beginning for people to play the way they wanted to and do the parts they want -- that's what appeals to me.So I can simply WAIT until you all decide everything is cured instead of wasting my time or books or potions for things I don't need? (I don't waste time attacking things I'm building my character and everything first and completing all the quests I can, because that's how I personally choose to do these sorts of things. Nothing wrong with the people who choose a different way.)
I don't want a kitchen or to do the cooking quests (I just pick the things that appeal to me) so I am glad to see the note that we can ignore the cure recipes for the moment.
So is it still possible for me to just...keep on keeping on as is, and sort of ignore this plague until it's over?
Being a Captain maybe my horse and I were at sea and therefore safe from the plague. lol.
Morgan wrote: "Ok so I think I understand this a little better now, because this was set up from the beginning for people to play the way they wanted to and do the parts they want -- that's what appeals to me.S..."
Do whatever floats your boat, captain. :-)
Plan on it. :PJust want to also be within the rules. I'm a pirate with a heart of gold
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Reva. We're trying things since the dragons are going down. If you don't want to participate just wait it out til Dr. ..."
But isn't that the point of having the dragons - so people can build up and kill them? Only two people have done so, so far. This "wrench" hinders even going after other creatures for some of the lower level players.