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As far as I'm aware, Palestinians rejected joint investigation, conduct it alone and refused to present the bullet, so I guess we'll need to rely or not on their findings...

Not necessarily. Ricochet and sound bouncing off of buildings can be troublesome fast. While you are correct about shooting alleys, sound does funny things in urban areas by bouncing off of buildings in odd ways. Lots depends on if you find the bullet and what kind of shape it is in. Can you find the brass and any other debris that might show where a shooter was stationed.
Because of the area, I have little faith anyone is trying to find the truth wherever that leads. Even the press has an agenda with the Israeli military. It is not about the death per se, but how and why it occurred. It is very possible that it is a hit, but it is just as plausible that an unintended death was caused too.

The part that sticks in my mind is that the IDF was between the combatants and the journalists. That means the IDF was firing in the opposite direction from the combatants.
It is possible that the IDF heard gunfire and dove for cover. Then they could've misinterpreted the soundscape causing them to think that the fire was coming from the journos. If correct, the IDF failed to ID non-combatants resulting in the deaths of said non-combatants. In the US, this could be a court martial offense.

As for sounds, from personal experience of having hear gunfire on a number of occasions in a built-up area, I felt I knew at least roughly where it was coming from each time. I could have been wrong, I guess.

How do we know the IDF was between the journalists and the Palestinians? This would be a very strange position, unless there was a broad front of firing. I mean if A and B are firing at each other along a line, being anywhere on that line is unnecessarily risky. My concern with this story is really we don't have the necessary details.
J. wrote: "The Mona Lisa has been caked in attempted vandalism stunt
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It was an eco warrior, seeking to raise awareness about the planet :|
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/mon..."
It was an eco warrior, seeking to raise awareness about the planet :|

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-can...
Does anyone else remember little Justin hiding from the big bad truckers?
J. wrote: "Handguns: Canada proposes complete freeze on ownership
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Does anyone else remember little Justin hiding from the big bad truckers?"
I saw this story earlier but didn't want to post it in case it upset your feelings ;)
Forget politics and contrast Zelenskyy and Trudeau on their leadership skills. The former dons a flak jacket and t shirt to visit the front line of a dangerous conflict, while the latter goes into hiding because he's frightened of a protest by his own people.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-can...
Does anyone else remember little Justin hiding from the big bad truckers?"
I saw this story earlier but didn't want to post it in case it upset your feelings ;)
Forget politics and contrast Zelenskyy and Trudeau on their leadership skills. The former dons a flak jacket and t shirt to visit the front line of a dangerous conflict, while the latter goes into hiding because he's frightened of a protest by his own people.
Students accuse lecturer of sharing Russia war lies
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-...
In typical woke style, she informed on him rather than debated with him. 1984 moves closer. They’ll soon be telling on their parents for voicing off-message thoughts.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-...
In typical woke style, she informed on him rather than debated with him. 1984 moves closer. They’ll soon be telling on their parents for voicing off-message thoughts.
More flights cancelled ahead of Jubilee break
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-6...
The airline industry was savaged by the lockdowns. Now, understandably, they’re trying to cut staffing costs to claw money back, but it simply isn’t working.
People need to realise, the carbon-cutting New World Order doesn’t want you to fly. Simple as. (Naturally, the rules won’t apply to them.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-6...
The airline industry was savaged by the lockdowns. Now, understandably, they’re trying to cut staffing costs to claw money back, but it simply isn’t working.
People need to realise, the carbon-cutting New World Order doesn’t want you to fly. Simple as. (Naturally, the rules won’t apply to them.)

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Knowing many who enjoy recreational use, I recently encountered someone who started to use it medicinally. Claims that after more than a year of pain - all other medicines futile, switching to weed really made a difference

I have a friend whose son acquired some primo ganja to help with her arthritis. This is a street drug, as her state hasn't legalized pot sales where THC levels are controlled. In my opinion, that's a pro for legalizing. She's wary of the potent strains these days, as one toke of the '70s pot was enough to get her high, and she was looked at askance when she passed it on. She's going to give it a try, however, as serious painkillers worry her more.
Today is an event that needs no link or introduction: it's the first of 2 bank holidays to celebrate Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's Platinum Jubilee. There are Union Flags everywhere, people are getting in the party mood, and the wokists are in meltdown claiming that Britain is a country full of Nazis because we've got the bunting out :)
Lizards, aliens and other bad actors, don't even consider trying to take over the Queen's body today because the lightning that will immediately strike you down is extra powerful lightning, with a Royal seal of approval.
God save the Queen.
Lizards, aliens and other bad actors, don't even consider trying to take over the Queen's body today because the lightning that will immediately strike you down is extra powerful lightning, with a Royal seal of approval.
God save the Queen.
Looks like the cat might have used up his 9th life:
Tory MPs to vote on Boris Johnson's leadership later
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...
Tory MPs to vote on Boris Johnson's leadership later
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...

He is indeed going nowhere at this precise moment in time, Nik, but the cat's 10th life will be one of a zombie. The living dead.
Technically, he can't be challenged for another year but he suffered a poorer result than Theresa May did in her own no confidence vote and she was gone within 6 months.
Boris's opponents claim that he has no honour and will have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of Downing Street. I don't know, we'll have to wait and see but the pressure on him will intensify. Even former Conservative leader, William Hague, has said that Boris's position is now untenable.
Looking objectively at it, I think his greatest chance of survival would be to call a General Election because I think he still - still - probably enjoys more support amongst the electorate than he does within Parliament. Despite what the pollsters say, I also think he would win an election if he called one now. Will he do so? Probably not.
Btw, it's not the party per se that's put him in trouble, it's the fact that he repeatedly broke his own rules and then lied to Parliament about it.
As I've said before, I'm in two minds about him. While in many ways I want him gone, I would only want this to happen if he were to be replaced by a more palatable option. Unfortunately, there are many less palatable options out there.
Technically, he can't be challenged for another year but he suffered a poorer result than Theresa May did in her own no confidence vote and she was gone within 6 months.
Boris's opponents claim that he has no honour and will have to be dragged kicking and screaming out of Downing Street. I don't know, we'll have to wait and see but the pressure on him will intensify. Even former Conservative leader, William Hague, has said that Boris's position is now untenable.
Looking objectively at it, I think his greatest chance of survival would be to call a General Election because I think he still - still - probably enjoys more support amongst the electorate than he does within Parliament. Despite what the pollsters say, I also think he would win an election if he called one now. Will he do so? Probably not.
Btw, it's not the party per se that's put him in trouble, it's the fact that he repeatedly broke his own rules and then lied to Parliament about it.
As I've said before, I'm in two minds about him. While in many ways I want him gone, I would only want this to happen if he were to be replaced by a more palatable option. Unfortunately, there are many less palatable options out there.
Nik wrote: "Good, we have a war to win together"
I'm sure there are plenty of Brits that would welcome Boris leaving on the next plane for Ukraine :)
I'm sure there are plenty of Brits that would welcome Boris leaving on the next plane for Ukraine :)

Most Brits don't feel anything of the sort but that certain someone you know is, IMO, a more palatable option for external influence than Biden, Gates, Soros, Schwab, Blackrock and the rest of them.

Are you really arguing that one slave master has a nicer whip than the others?
J. wrote: "Are you really arguing that one slave master has a nicer whip than the others?"
No but the globalists' whip is the one on most westerners' backs at the mo. They are the immediate threat that we need to sort out. Leave Putin to Ukraine, if that is the war the Ukrainians want to fight.
No but the globalists' whip is the one on most westerners' backs at the mo. They are the immediate threat that we need to sort out. Leave Putin to Ukraine, if that is the war the Ukrainians want to fight.

What choice do they have? Quite precisely observed: if Ukraine stops fighting there will be no Ukraine, if russia stops fighting there will be no war...

Scout, one of the great things about goodreads is that we can get genuine first-hand information from people on the ground in other areas of the world, which it is impossible for our media’s foreign correspondents to know about, simply because of the circles they mix in. I will now give you some of that first-hand information from the streets of central England. From the real people, not those who appear on radio phone ins or on social media…
While it is true that Boris’s political opponents, the media, politics enthusiasts (like myself) and relatives who were denied access to dying loved ones during the lockdowns are furious at Boris, the majority of people on the street don’t give two hoots about party gate. For some, it has even added to Boris’s ‘laddish’ image. What's more, the Labour leader and his deputy are also being investigated for similar rule breaking. The thought on the street is that they were all at it.
You ask most Brits, particularly the non-partisan majority that Papaphilly talked about, and their only real concern is the cost-of-living crisis. The Conservative Party's huge electoral success over the years has been because despite often being posh boys, they are also in tune with the (wo)man on the street. Therefore, the act of rulebreaking (or even lying to Parliament) will not do for Boris, but if the economic situation doesn’t improve, it will be used as an excuse by his Parliamentary colleagues to terminate his contract :)
You know the level of my opposition to lockdowns but, in many ways, I am also happy enough for Boris to stay. The reason is that there is no chance, whatsoever, of him imposing another lockdown because nobody will abide by it...partly due to the hypocrisy of party gate. In many ways, he’s also blown covid’s credibility as a particularly dangerous illness to smithereens because people now know that the politicians, themselves, weren’t scared of it.
The danger is that Boris could be replaced by a covid cultist puritan, like Jeremy Hunt or Sajid Javid, who probably didn’t break any of the rules, so can’t be accused of hypocrisy, and may well want to impose lockdowns again in the future, but even more zealously.
While it is true that Boris’s political opponents, the media, politics enthusiasts (like myself) and relatives who were denied access to dying loved ones during the lockdowns are furious at Boris, the majority of people on the street don’t give two hoots about party gate. For some, it has even added to Boris’s ‘laddish’ image. What's more, the Labour leader and his deputy are also being investigated for similar rule breaking. The thought on the street is that they were all at it.
You ask most Brits, particularly the non-partisan majority that Papaphilly talked about, and their only real concern is the cost-of-living crisis. The Conservative Party's huge electoral success over the years has been because despite often being posh boys, they are also in tune with the (wo)man on the street. Therefore, the act of rulebreaking (or even lying to Parliament) will not do for Boris, but if the economic situation doesn’t improve, it will be used as an excuse by his Parliamentary colleagues to terminate his contract :)
You know the level of my opposition to lockdowns but, in many ways, I am also happy enough for Boris to stay. The reason is that there is no chance, whatsoever, of him imposing another lockdown because nobody will abide by it...partly due to the hypocrisy of party gate. In many ways, he’s also blown covid’s credibility as a particularly dangerous illness to smithereens because people now know that the politicians, themselves, weren’t scared of it.
The danger is that Boris could be replaced by a covid cultist puritan, like Jeremy Hunt or Sajid Javid, who probably didn’t break any of the rules, so can’t be accused of hypocrisy, and may well want to impose lockdowns again in the future, but even more zealously.

No use citing Tess' vote and subsequent difficulty - she was outed because she was not pursuing a Brexit strategy that so many wanted, and the EU saw that as a weakness they could exploit. The backstab for Tess really originated in Briussels, there was a principle at stake, and she had to go. What principle are the outers of Boris going to play? Not saying there aren't some available, but rather the rather faceless ones below don't have what it takes to make them count. As of now, anyway.

I disagree. There is an obvious replacement in the form of 10 Downing Street's most popular and well respected resident.
Larry, Chief Mouser
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No but the globalists' whip is the one on most westerners' backs at the mo. They are the immediate threat..."
I suspect between COVID and the war, the Globalists will be done for a while.

Boris could just be wearing out his welcome.


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What's going on in Israeli culture that has so fractured y'all's politics?

Bibi is under trial under 4 indictments. Anyone with indictments couldn’t be appointed a school’s principal, but strangely enough can serve as prime minister. If before the unwritten understanding was that anyone with indictment stepped down not to disgrace the office, Bibi decided not to. Many fellow politicians refuse to work with him until he’s cleared or convicted and would rather form a government with far left than with him. The funny thing is that the “right” has a clear majority of maybe 2/3 and if Bibi stepped aside to finish all his legal shit, the “right” coalition would be forged in minutes. Yet, he won’t do it for his personal ego (call it Israeli Trumpism ;)) and thus we are in the endless process of elections which come with similar results and no party manages to form a stable coalition and government. Alas..,

The State Department official, Ned price, also said there was "no reason to believe this was intentional". What a comment! You can tell the intention of a shooter from the bullet? That is some advance, indeed. I would have thought that if the shooter was competent with the gun, he would have intended to shoot whatever he was aiming at. So unless there is some other fact of which we are unaware, it seems most likely Shireen was aimed at and shot.
I can't see any further developments because the Israelis will want this to go away.

Was it one shot or was there shooting going on?

There were several shots, apparently also at whoever tried to go to the body and help
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