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The Name of the Wind - 16 January
Kevin wrote: "I agree with you completely Iselin. His negative traits add a third dimension to his character.By the way, love the picture of Pangur Bán from the Book of Kells as your profile pic!"
Love the movie, especially Pangur ;)
Do you know about where Pangur Bán comes from? It is a lovely story really.
Kevin wrote: "Do you know about where Pangur Bán comes from? It is a lovely story really."Yes, I know! So sweet, and definitely worth sharing: The name is derived from a ninth century poem written by an Irish monk. It is indeed about his cat named Pangur Bán. If anyone is interested in middle age cat poetry, you can read the poem here.
Great stuff Iselin :) I studied Early Irish Literature at college and the story of Pangur is my favourite. Regarding Kvothe lying about his past and stories, I don't think that's viable. I doubt that is the path Rothfuss is taking the story as I can only imagine the uproar that kind of revelation would create. Isn't Rothfuss planning on a second trilogy about Kvothe after the Kingkiller Chronicle is completed?
Kevin wrote: "Great stuff Iselin :) I studied Early Irish Literature at college and the story of Pangur is my favourite. Regarding Kvothe lying about his past and stories, I don't think that's viable. I doubt ..."
I haven't heard that, but I was honestly wondering how Rothfuss can possibly tie all open ends together and tell most of Kvothe's life in just one book... There is still so much left.
Do you know where you found this information?
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I'm honestly not sure which is fiction and which is fact as things like this are always shrouded in speculation but Rothfuss has sold a second trilogy to a publisher. The information is very scattered as Rothfuss is never really straightforward with information, however, I have seen it mentioned a lot that this second trilogy will be based on Kvothe as well. At the very least based in the same world anyways.http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/...
Kevin wrote: "I'm honestly not sure which is fiction and which is fact as things like this are always shrouded in speculation but Rothfuss has sold a second trilogy to a publisher. The information is very scatte..."May I quote from the interview:
When’s the rest of the trilogy coming out?
Well, luckily I’ve already written it all. That’s what took me 14 years. The second book will be coming out in a year, probably pretty close to exactly a year. So people won’t have to wait terribly long.
So much for the credibility of the interview ;)
...Just kidding, obviously. But it sounds to me like I will be able to enjoy new and fresh Commonwealth books till I'm old and grey, considering the time stretches between publications so far.
Iselin wrote: "Kevin wrote: "I'm honestly not sure which is fiction and which is fact as things like this are always shrouded in speculation but Rothfuss has sold a second trilogy to a publisher. The information ..."I should have mentioned the interview dates back to 2007!
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Hahah! :)
Well I did put a question mark when I said it "Isn't Rothfuss planning on a second trilogy about Kvothe after the Kingkiller Chronicle is completed?" :P hahaAs you say, at least we can continue to enjoy the books until we are old and self defecating. :)
Yes, even though I didn't like the character he's not evil and I still find myself wanting to pick up the next book. I think it does make him a real character we all fabricate things now and then. I'm finding all YA books to be basically the same now days. There are some good ones out there. I'm also annoyed at the follow the leader thing that seems to be going on as a viewer I'm really annoyed when I watch different videos that are really just alike they all love the same book, they all say the same things I really don't think they all like the book but they want to fit in with the group which makes them really unreliable to me. SORRY FOR THE OFF TOPIC RANT.
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Chakara wrote: "Yes, even though I didn't like the character he's not evil and I still find myself wanting to pick up the next book. I think it does make him a real character we all fabricate things now and then. ..."I'm fine with it too, being a dedicated ranter myself.
But, Chakara, what is in your opinion the definition of YA? I'm having a hard time finding a definition that works (for me it's not a genre, it's a target audience - a difference that got lost along the way, it seems). Would you categorize The Name of the Wind as YA? Why?
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This definitely is not YA.
I agree that YA is more a target audience than a genre.
I prefer Neil Gaimans approach of writing all age rather than YA
Iselin wrote: "Chakara wrote: "Yes, even though I didn't like the character he's not evil and I still find myself wanting to pick up the next book. I think it does make him a real character we all fabricate thing..."YA is certainly more of the target than a genre. As is Middle Grade with in those targets then they have genres however I find that deep down almost all YA are Romance.
No I wouldn't say that Name of the Wind is YA but it has characteristics that make it appealing to that age group.
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Maybe I'm not far enough in to comment on if Kvothe is lying or not - he comes across as a classic story teller to me. As such, he knows when to embellish, when to gloss over facts and when to string his listeners along with hints of what is to come. Does he flat out lie? I couldn't say at this point. At least he's interesting! More than I can say for some of the MC of recent YA books I read or tried to read. My current pet-peeve is a character set up to be mega kick a$$, but slowly dissolves into a mess of girl-who-needs-to-fall-in-love-in-order-for-life-to-be-worth-living as the book advances. I'm assuming Kvothe won't do this to me!
IMO YA is nothing more than a new label for what publishers use to justify as short fiction. Smaller novellas etc.
Leigh wrote: "Maybe I'm not far enough in to comment on if Kvothe is lying or not - he comes across as a classic story teller to me. As such, he knows when to embellish, when to gloss over facts and when to stri..."Hm kvothe might do this to you I can't say lol. Like I said I haven't read the second book but found a few hints about his boyish hormones.
Rinn wrote: "To me there are the target audiences: children, middle grade (9-13 or so?), Young Adult, then Adult. I'm pretty much happy reading anything from Middle Grade to Adult. YA as a genre by itself makes..."Childrens is marketed towards parents, teachers, librarians etc. as well as children secondary. At this point they are kind of being guided plus they get the money from parents usually. I think it makes it really hard to write because the story should be exciting and adventurous for the child but safe enough for the parents, teachers.
Joseph wrote: "IMO YA is nothing more than a new label for what publishers use to justify as short fiction. Smaller novellas etc."I think Chakara is right that it is more about content (limited graphic violence, cursing, no explicit sex) that is geared towards young people than novel length. Some of these books clock in at over 350 pages. The protagonists are also in the readers' age group.
Chakara wrote: "Leigh wrote: "Maybe I'm not far enough in to comment on if Kvothe is lying or not - he comes across as a classic story teller to me. As such, he knows when to embellish, when to gloss over facts an..."Well...so long as he doesn't put on fluffy dresses and have a major make-over so the whole world sees how beautiful he really is....
I'm just glad he's not obsessed with his vampire boyfriend.
Ryan wrote: "I'm just glad he's not obsessed with his vampire boyfriend. "LOL!
I'm loving it so far. It's absolutely brilliant. Cool scene in chapter 22 (view spoiler).#foreshadowing
That was a good scene. I'm at ch. 36 - still very good!Anybody already finished?
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So, he's been at the university for only a couple of days, and already it's starting to feel like Hogwarts. Evil professors, good professors, mean-spirited fellow students who are rich, secret rooms, etc. I didn't expect it to be quite so...petty. The writing is still good and the characters are terribly interesting, but.....
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It's just what Uni is like.Except for hidden rooms.
Although...
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Hehe. Our uni has two campuses, one being a former military hospital. It's built on marsh ground, and legend has it the building sunk into it so that there are seven levels underground that cannot be used. All kinds of things are said to be there: From old documents to strange creatures ;)
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Leigh wrote: "So, he's been at the university for only a couple of days, and already it's starting to feel like Hogwarts. Evil professors, good professors, mean-spirited fellow students who are rich, secret room..."Sadly (or not) Hogwarts wasn't the first to do it and wont be the last. I actually liked the school and the world and the point when our 'hero' enters a whole neewwwwww woooorrrrrrlllddd. *sings*
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Rinn wrote: "I'm not aware of any hidden secrets in Leiden, but we do have a very pretty city <3 And there's a room called the 'sweat room' that's just covered in signatures, all over the wall. When you graduat..."Haha, fab! I really want one for Trier too!
Chakara wrote: "Leigh wrote: "So, he's been at the university for only a couple of days, and already it's starting to feel like Hogwarts. Evil professors, good professors, mean-spirited fellow students who are ric..."Love that song!
Your universities sound way cooler than mine was in Missouri. Jealousy.@Chakara - now that song will be in head while I read!
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Didn't you feel... trapped? ;)My university re-opened in the Seventies in a new building (it's quite ugly, looking like a huge indoor swimming pool). The funniest room I had lectures in was the chapel. The light in there is nice (coloured windows), but it's also a bit draughty. Brrrr.
I imagine Kvothe's uni is in this respect not superior.
My husband and I stayed overnight in an ex-prison that still had the original doors and décor in Lucerne. I have to say, I felt very secure during the night! I know I was complaining about the petty stuff at the university, but I should also say that the magic system with sympathies and binding is pretty darn cool.
I used to work at the uni in Uppsala, founded in 1477. Do I win?
Did it have secret rooms, sunken floors, ex-prisons/leper hospitals, or anything to do with Bram Stoker? If yes, then you might just win!If not, and you don't win, don't feel bad. The uni I went to did not have gutters in the streets, so every time it rained the streets and lawns around the buildings would flood.
It had none of that. The facilities are actually quite modern. All the old stuff in Uppsala is really more for tourists.
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