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Marcos wrote: "Hi, Daniela!You know, any languages directly descendant from Latin are called Latin Languages (or Romance Languages), and their original speaking people, latin people.
So, from Romania to Portu..."
Thank you for those links! For the most part, I skimmed it since I was at work. But now I understand that English is mostly German based. Which is funny... because I'm not a fan of how german "sounds" in my head.
I understood the latin languages being called latin, it was just the first time I had seen an italian called latin and so I was caught off guard. It makes sense that although its not common to do so today, it must have been much more common in europe during the book's set timeframe.
Sono contento che ti sia piaciuto! :-)
"estoy contento de...."Lol, your happy to be of assistance?
Muchas gracias! Haz sido una tremenda ayuda.
I was trying to say " I'm happy you liked (the links)"! :-))But my Italian is totally basic and poor!! I had a first try but gave up and tried Google translator! Hope it was at least basically correct. If not, blame it on Google!! :-D
And only now I realized you're not Italian!! LOLJust thought of that. Too quick reading!!
I should've researched you before, Daniela!
:-DD
Entonces, como están todos en Arizona?No Google here! Better now?
Marcos wrote: "Entonces, como están todos en Arizona?No Google here! Better now?"
OMG, that was italian? I thought it was Portuguese! XDDD I didn't try using a translator because I wanted to seem 'cool', and now I look like an idiot because that was totally NOT what you said!
Your spanish is great, you even got the accents! Personally I suck at figuring where the accents go.
Passion and Latin has always been linked to Italy. The Romans spoke Latin.
Damn phone and I can't fix it. That should be the Ancient Romans spoke Latin. The Catholic Mass was in Latin until the 60s in Australia. And that comes from....Rome. And women were always on about going to Italy to find their "Latin Lover". It's not a racist thing. It's about passion. Something the Italians have always had. And something most people with an Anglo Saxon background learn to hide. Stiff upper lip and all that.
Also about the racist, homophobic remarks in books written way back when.....just go with it and learn about a time that is much different to now. Don't cringe about an author using the accepted language of the time. Learn from it. The world is so much more than worrying about a "Latin" crime or an "Anglo-Saxon crime".
Jaqueline, I think you make good points. I thought about the Latin Lover term also. It is still a stereotype, then and now, though, whether a positive or negative one. I do think we need to look at these terms in that it is older and world views were different in some ways, but I also think it allows for interesting discussion in these settings. Based on what Daniela said, she's linking it (and correct me if I'm wrong Daniela!) to a more modern use of Latin often being interchangeable with Hispanic. In the U.S. that is generally going to be the case when using the term Latin. And then if you consider "Latin" Crime in terms of immigration, I think the recent U.S. presidential election rhetoric showcases how that is a harmful designation. It may not have been harmful then in the way it is now, but was it still harmful then? Were precedents set then that are influence how we think now? As long as we can stay rational and respectful, I think it's a very worthy discussion to have and within context of reading these books.
Joanna wrote: "...Were precedents set then that are influence how we think now? ..."Absolutely. Thank goodness times are changing, but they are not doing so fast enough, and glossing over history doesn't help.
Joanna wrote: "Jaqueline, I think you make good points. I thought about the Latin Lover term also. It is still a stereotype, then and now, though, whether a positive or negative one. I do think we need to look at..."Yes! You are exactly right! The character was Italian, but the violent situation correlated allot with how Hispanic are viewed in the US. Right now the administration thinks we are unreasonable, untrustworthy, violent people that need to be kicked out of the US. Its a view that the media has done nothing to dissuade, and instead has perpetuated over the years by showcasing almost every hispanic on TV as a gansta' from LA, a drug cartel member, or a super sexy and crazy woman. All of them, emotional, violent, in sudden fits of rage... so 'passionate'.
Jacqueline wrote: "Damn phone and I can't fix it. That should be the Ancient Romans spoke Latin. The Catholic Mass was in Latin until the 60s in Australia. And that comes from....Rome.
And women were always on abou..."
As odd as it sounds, I'm usually perfectly okay with racism in classic works, even in historical fictions. It would be a lie to say that people back then understood things the way we do now, so I never judge a book or an author for its racist content as long as its within the context for that era or a character's development. It just wanted to rant because I hate the "latin passion" stereotype.
Just started reading Murder on the Orient Express. This is my first Agatha Christie book. I had the privilege of living in the UK in the early 90's and loved David Suchet as Poirot in the very long-running series there.Looking forward to seeing the movie and comparing the different portrayals of Poirot!
Just joined the group and lucked into a copy at the library. Looking forward to it! Have read one or two AC previously but it was long ago.
So I have the book on my bedside table I'm excited to start it. I purposely did not watch the movie so i could judge the movie to the book rather then the book tothe movie! I'm excited! First Agitha book here!
Loving the book so far. I can't believe it's taken me this long to read Agatha Christie. The book has held up really well considering how much it's aged. I love the characters, but I especially love the setting. Something about a train full of strangers in a foreign land--it's fun to read. I guess murder shouldn't be fun, but that's what's great about this story. It has a pretty light tone, considering the content.
I'm rereading and, as when we read "And then there were none", some 40 years after the first time, so I don't remember everything. I didn't even go to the movies so as not to spoil the reading. :-)As to the light tone, agreed. If you think about that, the same thing has happened to cinema and TV. 1940 films were also light, even when about murder or other crimes. A cowboy shot a criminal from a distance, he would fall, but no blood would be shown, for example. Things changed, TV series now are hyperviolent.
I am finally getting started on this. I am listening to the Dan Stevens audiobook, same narrator as And Then There Were None. There is one available by Kenneth Branagh, but I am happy with my choice. He does such a great job with the narration.
Marcos wrote: "I'm rereading and, as when we read "And then there were none", some 40 years after the first time, so I don't remember everything. I didn't even go to the movies so as not to spoil the reading. :-)..."True! Part of the reason I don’t watch television anymore!
Way late getting started, but I'm about a quarter of the way through now. So far so good!
Finished a few days ago. Very good reading! And I even managed to do something I like. I read both the original English book and the Portuguese translation! That's for assessing the translation for a future review.
My first Agatha Christie book, I thought it was ok. But then I’m not the biggest fan of mysteries. I have a box set so will definitely give another book a try.
I’ll be joining this catch-up read! I love a good whodunnit, so I’m looking forward to finally reading this classic!
This will be my second Agatha Christie book, and I’m looking forward to it, my first being And Then There Were None this past July.
Kylie wrote: "I’ll be joining this catch-up read! I love a good whodunnit, so I’m looking forward to finally reading this classic!"Me, too!
I'm a huge Agatha Christie fan, and although sadly I haven't read all of her books yet, I could pretty much re-read the ones I have endlessly, even if I remember the endings perfectly. I think I've read The A.B.C. Murders and And Then There Were None at least five times each? She's just that good.I also have a faint memory of reading Orient Express when I was younger, and I've definitely seen at least two different TV adaptations, so the whodunnit part won't be a surprise for me :) Nevertheless I'm very excited to read it again!
I just picked up the book today and am enjoying it so far! I reached chapter six so the good stuff is starting
I got this free as an audible so hope to start it soon. This is my first Agatha Christie book.
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I am joining and it's actually my first time reading Agatha Christie. But I was looking forward to it too much (I love crime dinners and such and have been wanting to read this for a while)- so yesterday, when I didnt have anything to read, I started early... I am enjoying it and having a lot of fun putting together the clues! I hope everyone else will, too!
Been in a bit of a reading slump so hoping to catch back up. I've never read an Agatha Christie book before and I'm really excited. I'm not super big on mysteries, mainly because I feel like I figure them out in thirty seconds or more likely I never figure it out and then get frustrated by it. But I know how popular this is so I'm eager to see if I like it.
So part of it is because I love Agatha Christie and also the other reason is that I want the book before watching the movie.
I read this book when I was a kid, but I didn't remember many details, so I read it again now and I really liked it. I love how Agatha is always so focused on detail and knows how to maintain tension.I watched the movie now as well, it's not bad, but I don't like how it deviates from the book.
As this will be my first time to read it, am very much looking forward to starting.
I’ll be reading this as well. I’m not sure how I’ll get on with it as I have seen the film(s) and so know the story, which is why it’s always been on the shelf and never been read! However, having this as a monthly read will set me a goal I think and the discussions will give me other perspectives a win win! :)
I’m sure I read this years ago, my late Nan also loved Agatha Christie so going to read again kind of out of tribute to her
I read And Then There Were None some years ago and remember liking it so I feel this will be a good one also since it’s another of her classics. I’m not usually a mystery person but maybe I could be 🤔.
I have read most of Agatha Christie's books through the years, some more than once, and I'm sure I've read this one too (at least 32 years ago), but all I remember is the 1974 film with Albert Finney and Ingrid Bergman, to name but a couple of the many stars in it.Am enjoying the reread.
Teresa wrote: "I’ll be reading this as well. I’m not sure how I’ll get on with it as I have seen the film(s) and so know the story, which is why it’s always been on the shelf and never been read! However, having ..."The positive thing about the movie is that you get a certain visual aspect and it's easier to fit into the historical context, but the book gives a bit more detail and is more realistic. But all things considered, I'm not really sure how you'll like the book after watching the movie XD
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You know, any languages directly descendant from Latin are called Latin Languages (or Romance Languages), and their original speaking people, latin people.
So, from Romania to Portugal, that's the latin part of Europe (including Italy and France). As most of South and Central America were colonies of Spain and Portugal, that's Latin America.
See a very good and comprehensive article here:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Roma...
But English is not a Latin Language. It has a different origin, and is included among the Germanic Languages, like German. It had a lot of influence from Latin (Romans, Normans and other), but it comes from a different origin.
See an interesting timeline of the English language here.
http://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/hi...
Or just have a look at this map to see the locations of Romance (Latin) and Germanic languages in Europe. And other languages as well.
https://media1.britannica.com/eb-medi...
Italian, however, is the most "Latin" of languages, a direct descendant! :-)
So, you're latin, and so am I, a Portuguese speaker!