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Artificial intelligence: is it that dangerous?
Nik wrote: "Crazy and ambitious as it sounds, it might just happen:https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altma..."
Be a cold day in Hell before I put a chip in my head. Usually I am not the conspiracy theorist of this group, but this just smacks too much of a temptation.
Mike wrote: "Is Vodka different in New York City? Is corn in Ukraine different from corn in US? NIk"Where about in NYC are you Mike?
Papaphilly wrote: "Be a cold day in Hell before I put a chip in my head. Usually I am not the conspiracy theorist of this group, but this just smacks too much of a temptation..."Agreed.
My view on cybernetic brain implants is a little nuanced. I can see possible efficacy for the treatment of various maladies. So I'm all for medical research.As far as the consumer market...
You know how Apple and other companies sends mandatory updates that soft kill older models of their products so that owners are left with a choice between paying for a new product or trying to limp along with a crippled product? Imagine if that product was functionally part of your brain.
Mike wrote: "All chips implanted means some one has something to gain, such as credit history, passwords, bank accounts, all the while controlling what and for how much people could spend, rendering China's soc..."This implies others can read the chip. That should be able to be prevented, although while I am far from a conspiracy theorist, I wouldn't bet against some tech giant making it possible.
Ian wrote: "Mike wrote: "All chips implanted means some one has something to gain, such as credit history, passwords, bank accounts, all the while controlling what and for how much people could spend, renderin..."Or a 12 year old hacker
Papaphilly wrote: "Or a 12 year old hacker.."Indeed, Papaphilly.
Things that can go wrong.
[1] You get the fritzy chip that passes QC on the production line, then fails in your head with unpredictable consequences.
[2] The firmware is buggy from the get go with unpredictable consequences.
[3] A firmware upgrade inserts a malicious hack with unpredictable consequences. This hack is widely publicised in the media and is blamed on alt-right extremists.
[4] The next firmware upgrade (to fix the hack) has an inbuilt backdoor designed by NSA/CIA who use the chip to monitor your thoughts in real time.
[5] The chip is used to monitor your social credit score. You jaywalk one time to catch a bus. Your access to banking is switched off for a week. Unable to transact, you beg for bowls of bug gruel from your friends. They ignore you as helping someone with a low social credit score is a punishable offence.
[6] Your chip wears out and starts getting fritzy. The manufacturing center is in China, who have just invaded Taiwan. There's a temporary blockade and you are not able to get your fritzy chip replaced and you are disallowed from removing it. Unpredictable consequences ensue.
[7] With the blockade lifted. Your new replacement chip is allocated to corporate advertising. You are bombarded with visual/audio/olfactory overlays as you walk down the street inviting you to spend your monthly allocation of CBDCs on all manner of crappy goods made in China.
[8] The chip is allocated to tik-tok influencers. You are bombarded with endless videos straight onto your optic nerve of 15 year-olds telling you about everything that is wrong with the world, with yourself, with your life, and what you have to do to make it right, every now and then, a video is inserted of cats or puppies doing amusing things.
[9] Tired of bug gruel and salivating with the thought, you take a bite of contraband ham and cheese pizza bought from a hustler in a dark alley. A black helicopter flies overhead. A minute later, a black van pulls up and you are bundled into it by a four robot swat team. You end up in a cell with wires plugged into your skull while you mainline the dominant ideology of the remains of western civilization: monopoly capitalism.
[10] You emerge from your cell with a fervent belief in the righteous need to be ruled by unaccountable billionaires and the World Economic Forum. You join a long line of fellow believers to receive a new firmware upgrade...
And I was worried about the 15 year old hackers going retro.https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=jQj5N...
Nik wrote: "😎 Great visualization, Graeme"Thanks, Nik.
I enjoyed your post too, Graeme. For anybody chuckling at some of the far-fetched, crazy scenarios, think about what's inspired it...
Microchips in human brains. I mean, you can't get crazier than that, can you? And there are actually people so crazy, that they think this is a good idea. Lol.
Put the chips in their brains and send them up to Mars in one of Musk's rockets. That'll do us all a favour.
Microchips in human brains. I mean, you can't get crazier than that, can you? And there are actually people so crazy, that they think this is a good idea. Lol.
Put the chips in their brains and send them up to Mars in one of Musk's rockets. That'll do us all a favour.
In one of my novels I had an alien race where they all had brain implants that were necessary to get computers to do certain things for them. Convenience meant they were quite desirable, but there were controls to stop external malfeasance. Of course, they had had an extremely long time to ensure the earlier problems were dealt with.
Ian wrote: "In one of my novels I had an alien race where they all had brain implants that were necessary to get computers to do certain things for them. Convenience meant they were quite desirable, but there ..."If chips begin with malfeasance in mind, they will never be escaped except through general social collapse and mass death.
AI will be used for deep propaganda."So the idea is to use massive data collection and AI pattern recognition to preemptively disrupt the formation of behaviourally significant narratives, discourses or patterns of information.
With these tools of “early diagnosis” of information that potentially could disrupt the power structure and its objectives, it then becomes possible to nip it in the bud incredibly early on, way before such information has even coalesced into something like coherent narratives or meaningful models for explanation or further (precarious) conclusions.
REF: https://off-guardian.org/2024/02/12/a... "
Related to the above comment, given the fact that we are living in a neo-fascist monopoly capitalist economic framework, the incentives align to market/social control to ensure rentier profits to uber-billionaire landlords.This is the operational framework in which AI is being developed and deployed, and AI's development and deployment will match the intrinsic motives and goals present in a neo-fascist monopoly capitalist inspired system.
AI will be used to ...
[1] Drive approved market narratives at the expense of individual grass-roots discourse, which will suppress the basic human right to free speech, along with other rights of free association and movement.
[2] Limit, reduce, eliminate, or enable top-down co-option of competition arising from beneath the ruling elite and their enablers, to ensure their own positions in the social/wealth heirarchy are entrenched.
[3] Ensure the flow of economic value from the productive to the unproductive.
I.e. Kill competition, maintain control, and extract economic value from the productive classes in perpetuity.
I think there are conspiracies everywhere. When a company or group of people is more interested in making money or gaining power than it is in the welfare of people, there's a conspiracy at work, actions being taken covertly to protect and further its interests. This includes politicians and political parties. Hey, just because I'm a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean they aren't out to get me (or us :-)
Google has gone so woke that one of their AIs has had a stroke.https://youtu.be/o3nprXFGzzM?si=fY1iW...
J. wrote: "Google has gone so woke that one of their AIs has had a stroke.https://youtu.be/o3nprXFGzzM?si=fY1iW..."
Indeed. Google is racist.
Perhaps we can help them understand evil white culture through education. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF...
Piling on.Google's Gemini getting hammered here.
REF: Youtube (<14minutes): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-4Uk...
This could go into a couple of other streams. Anyway, according to Time Magazine, Mykhailo Federov, Ukraine's Minister of Digital transformation, is inviting US corporations to develop AI weapons of war in Ukraine and use Ukraine as a testing lab. The CIA is helping fund at least one company. Does anyone think this is a bad idea?The losers are the soldiers, because this means Ukraine has the incentive to keep the war going. Superficially, for the time being, so is China as the US gains a lot of useful wartime information and China does not, unless it sneaks in.
Undoubtedly, autonomous weapon systems are the future of warfare. When outnumbered gaining tech edge is the key to victory. Bravo CIA
The question now is, do you want China to join in developing them?
China does. Do you have any doubt about it?
Nik wrote: "China does. Do you have any doubt about it?"Yes, but they are not testing them under war conditions as yet.
Yes, but if they decided they need war testing, now where would they go?
Well, the CCP does keep starting border skirmishes with India and Philippines.
Ian, looks like AI might be the 'surprise' Nuland was on about.
How bad an idea it is depends on what it involves, which is anybody's guess. It certainly has the potential to be very bad indeed.
The fear has to be that it makes the actual warfare even more remote from the people conducting it, further increasing the likelihood of grossly irresponsible actions.
If it follows this pattern - and that is still a very big if - whichever nation first employs it deserves a special place in hell for unleashing it on the world.
How bad an idea it is depends on what it involves, which is anybody's guess. It certainly has the potential to be very bad indeed.
The fear has to be that it makes the actual warfare even more remote from the people conducting it, further increasing the likelihood of grossly irresponsible actions.
If it follows this pattern - and that is still a very big if - whichever nation first employs it deserves a special place in hell for unleashing it on the world.
J. wrote: "Well, the CCP does keep starting border skirmishes with India and Philippines."Yes, but Ukraine would be more realistic.
Beau wrote: "Ian, looks like AI might be the 'surprise' Nuland was on about. How bad an idea it is depends on what it involves, which is anybody's guess. It certainly has the potential to be very bad indeed.
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When money or power is at stake, I would suggest that we should expect the worst.
I forgot Japan, Vietnam, and Taiwan. How is Ukraine more realistic than the wars they're starting with their own neighbors?
As far as I know, in Ukraine there are two sides busy shooting at each other more or less continuously. To the best of my knowledge, China and Japan are not shooting at each other, China and Vietnam are not shooting at each other, and while China makes provocative flights etc at Taiwan, those two are not shooting at each other either. A war zone is quite different from two countries not getting on very well. You get to testing things in a war zone that you cannot do in normal society, like shooting at soldiers that are on the other side.
That Nvidia's worth just surpassed the entire russian GDP underscores that AI is the future: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvi...You can't control what China does, you must attempt to always be a few steps ahead
Ian, thinking that War is merely the exchange of bullets, bombs, and bayonets demonstrates a limited mind.Simply put, War is a state of conflict in which multiple groups do horrible things to each other until only one can continue. High effort tactics, like carpet bombing, can achieve that goal. But so can low effort tactics, like economic sabotage. If you collapse their economy and leave their people rioting in the streets for food, does it matter how many tanks they have? All of the skills that make AI a potential force multiplier on the battlefield (data collation and analysis) are orders of magnitude more lethal against stock and commodities markets, infrastructure control systems, and internet security systems.
J. wrote: "Ian, thinking that War is merely the exchange of bullets, bombs, and bayonets demonstrates a limited mind.Simply put, War is a state of conflict in which multiple groups do horrible things to eac..."
I agree with what you describe, and as for the limited mind, I have posted before that strictly speaking, sanctions are an act of war. So in a sense the West is at war with Russia.
However, for testing battlefield equipment, like drones, etc, you have to do that at the battlefield, where the susceptibility of your equipment to be destroyed before it does anything provides a testing procedure not available elsewhere. Similarly, you can't test your drone's ability to kill opposition outside a battlefield.
Another point of interest from this Time magazine article is that one such corporation has offered software that has identified by facial recognition about a quarter of a million Russians in Ukraine. Now where is that going?
Ian wrote: "The question now is, do you want China to join in developing them?"The short answer is no. But then I prefer nobody develops AI for war, but that is naive. China is already working on it as is other countries.
J. wrote: "I forgot Japan, Vietnam, and Taiwan. How is Ukraine more realistic than the wars they're starting with their own neighbors?"Because Ukraine is already in a very hot war and the deaths are going to be real as compared to potential deaths of simulated deaths. China also has other logistical problems to deal with as compared to Ukraine due to differences between water and land movements. The war in Ukraine is on flat land and China has to deal with both the South China sea and Himalaya Mountains.
Nik wrote: "That Nvidia's worth just surpassed the entire russian GDP underscores that AI is the future: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvi......"Or its a bubble.
In a way - it’s a bubble reflecting the AI hype, yet it reflects the anticipated potential
Nik wrote: "In a way - it’s a bubble reflecting the AI hype, yet it reflects the anticipated potential"Indeed, and the risk is the 'anticipated potential,' fails to eventuate in any expected timeframe.
EVs are hitting the wall. Tesla's shareprice assumes EV's will dominate the market and crush the IC vehicles into oblivion.
Right now, Tesla's shareprice is like Wily E. Coyoty after he has just gone over a cliff with an "Oh ..." sign waiting for gravity to take hold.
AI stocks may be the next EV.
I don't follow stock markets that frequently, but it looks like sheer economic performance became less "interesting", many chase the "next big thing". British petroleum or Coca Cola aren't that sexy anymore :)
I’d be more worried if google stopped bringing results on woke, communism, socialism and more. Hope Sergey won’t let it happen
The Gemini AI system is creating Google's Bud Light moment....Google's
The search engine runs on user trust ... lose user trust, lose search engine market share, lose advertising revenue... the rest follows.
Regarding AI. Gemini is in the process of putting Google dead last in the AI marketplace, where all the losers are.
Google is re-doing MySpace.
EDIT: 09/Mar/24: They do have a few other apps like maps, but maps is also a search function ... 🤔
I Googled woke culture, and many differing results came up, one from FOX news. I've caught hints of what's going on with the Gemini AI system, but don't know the details. Can you catch me up?
So EU will be the first to introduce legislative limitations over AI's applications: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/e...
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AI will kill it.