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[2018] Voting for 15th Mini-Poll

As for the top two to three choices, that is much more difficult. There aren't any that just jump out at me as prompts I just have to have, but there were eight that I liked enough to put in my top, so once again, I need to narrow them down. I haven't done that yet, but overall, I'm pretty happy with our choices this time.
As much as I enjoy the suggesting and voting process, at this point, I'm kind of ready to have a completed list and get my books lined out, or at least narrowed down, so that I will be ready to start the challenge on January 1st! :)
For my top I went with the whole sentence title, involving or set in a circus/carnival/amusement park, and the black cover. I pulled them mostly for their scavenger hunt aspects. I'd be fine with most of the list though.
I didn't feel very strongly against anything so I just put the three least inspiring things in the bottom. The Mako Mori test is interesting in theory, but I think a large portion of my tbr would qualify so that wouldn't be very limiting.
I didn't feel very strongly against anything so I just put the three least inspiring things in the bottom. The Mako Mori test is interesting in theory, but I think a large portion of my tbr would qualify so that wouldn't be very limiting.


The bottom 3 were easy . The Mako Mori test one I feel is the same as 2016 challenge week 14. A strong female character. The memoir one I feel is the same as 2015 challenge week 28 . The book that makes you think doesn't mean much to me ,as when I read , I find myself thinking. There are a few others I hope don't get in , but will still be ok with.

Mods, should I revote with three picks and you will just ignore results from answers with 4 picks?
I can't see individual votes. Just tell me your #4 choices and I can remove them from my tally. You can post here or just send me a message if you'd prefer.

I thought the same thing! Especially with one option counting for two votes, potentially. I had to keep in mind that if I voted for or against (in my case, against) that one, it would really limit me. Can't wait to see the finished list!
Just a heads up, the thread with the close call and polarizing topics has been updated to include the polarizing list. That can be found in the first reply.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Could you please remove the following from your tally:
Top: another age category from you
Bottom: animal
Sorry to make extra work for you!

I hope that this is the final poll. I too want to see the final list so I can start compiling books.

Picking that last one to kick out of both my top & bottom choices was much more difficult. For the bottom four, it ultimately came down to kicking out the one that I had some of in my TBR list so that I could find something there if I needed to. For the top, it wasn't that easy & I went back and forth quite a bit before finally just picking one to push out.
As I mentioned before, there are quite a few that I would be happy with if they make the top three, though, so as long as my bottom three don't make it, I think I'll be fairly satisfied with the results.



I was surprised how long it took to get 20 suggestions. I was sure we would get a rush of repeat topics suggested amid a flurry of end-of-polls excitement....boy was I wrong! It was so quiet I thought I heard crickets in the suggestion thread. I think we are all just done. I swear if there is only one or two winners this round and we have to go again, I will cry!
I think there's a definite correlation between the amount of time the suggestions thread was open and the lack of super inspired poll options. This had to have been one of our longer suggestion threads (in terms of days available... I'm not sure, but it certainly feels like it was). I'm excited to see the final list. I don't really read in order, but I do find the order interesting!
I wonder if it's a lack of new ideas, or just fewer people participating in the suggestions. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like for each poll there have been fewer and fewer people involved in the suggestions process.


Things have gotten better since the mods had to intervene a month or so ago (or was it longer?), but there still seems to be an overall negative tone this year.


Yes, I stopped reading the comments after the first couple of polls. That way I could still enjoy the process.



I have to agree with Manda too. Something else I noticed more this year than previous years was people posting very detailed reasons for and against specific options in the voting thread. While it has always been fun to speculate on the outcome and post wishful thinking, this year there were a lot more posts with specific details as to why or why not the poster thought the topic was a good one. I think in previous years, these discussions did happen, but they happened in the results thread, not the voting thread. When they happen during the voting it comes off as much more negative than after the results come out, and I think those kinds of posts are more likely to influence other people who haven't voted.
To end on a positive note, I'm really looking forward to seeing our completed list and moving on to the planning phase and seeing how other people are planning their lists. And a big thanks to the mods who have done a great job with the polls and all the other aspects of this group!

I seem to be in the minority here, and at the risk of sounding "too negative," I think it's important that people should feel comfortable voicing their opinions, even if those opinions are disappointment over results, etc. as long as they are doing so in a respectful way. With the exception of one specific incident earlier this year, my impression of this group has always been that it is respectful and open to discussion.
Manda mentioned that people might feel less inclined to participate when the outlook seems overly bleak. While I think that might be true, I also think there's something deeper going on that needs to be explored. I've been struggling for a while now with trying to suggest a way to bring this up, but couldn't quite figure out how to say it. It has become more and more clear throughout the year that something is wrong, and I don't think any of us are really sure what that is. I wish there was some way we could unearth the root cause of the problems, because it's just so weird. This group and the voting process has always been such a fun and positive experience, and it's a real shame if it isn't that way anymore. I've been wanting to suggest that we open up some kind of discussion (or anonymous feedback survey, poll, etc.) to try and figure out where we are going wrong.
I also think part of it has to do with the group mood overall. I personally don't have any problem with people expressing disappointment or frustration over their favourite prompts not getting through. I get that some people don't want to read discussions that are overly negative, but if that's the case, shouldn't it be seen as a sign that there is a problem that needs to be addressed? I also think that when we see a negative message from someone, we should keep in mind that it is just one message one on one day. If someone is really that unhappy with the challenge and the group, they will probably just leave on their own. Otherwise, even those of us who complain are probably just venting a bit and are otherwise fine. I've found that overall across the board, most people's comments are pretty balanced. Of course, I'm not reading every single comment from every single person in detail, but I have not really had the impression that anyone is really that unhappy with how the list is shaping up.
In fact, the only times I've seen an overall negative attitude is when people have tried to question what was going on with the process. For example, asking why in the past we've always had four clear winners per poll, and this year we haven't. Things have changed this year in our voting process, and I'm sure at least some of the negativity is due to the natural adjustment process to change. What I find very strange is that in my PopSugar Goodreads group, we had a thread opened about prompts we would not like to see next year (technically a very "negative" thread), and it was actually a very productive discussion and no one seemed to feel attacked. It's really weird that we can't seem to do the same.


I agree that I haven't seen the negativity that other people seem to be feeling (but this is my first year with the group so I don't have a comparison point). I would however like to point out that it's maybe unfair to say that anybody who's feeling like the tone is negative is just misinterpreting comments/criticisms as personal attacks. Maybe that's what's going on, but maybe we're just missing something. I don't want anyone who is feeling attacked to then additionally feel cut off from a discussion of what is bothering them because we're too ready to dismiss their concerns.

I didn't mean to be dismissive, I was just trying to offer an alternative explanation. I definitely would not want to suggest that everyone who feels there's been negativity is just misinterpreting everything, since obviously there's a reason people are feeling this way. I just thought it was important to acknowledge there may be another side to it.
Ultimately, I think the goal overall is that we don't want anyone to feel cut off from a discussion, whether it is about books, prompt ideas, or whatever is bothering us. My worry is that by telling people they are being too negative or bringing down the mood of the group, it will just make them feel unwelcome or not want to participate. I don't want people to feel like they can't say they don't like something because they are worried about it being too negative or someone interpreting it as a personal attack. It's not much of a discussion at all if everyone is just saying "I like that" or "There are so many good ideas!" I mean, that might be true, but it doesn't make a very interesting conversation. I'm not saying to be negative for the sake of stirring things up, but I would hope that honest opinions are welcome.
I agree with Amy that having the discussions is often very helpful for clarification. There were several times this year where I wasn't sure what a prompt meant, and was glad to have the chance to ask for clarification or examples to help me decide whether I wanted to vote for it.

I agree. I also feel though that we can't have everyone afraid to post anything that might be deemed "negative" because others view it as an attack. It's a double edged sword. We can't, and shouldn't all be 100% positive all the time because that's just not realistic or honest.
Maybe we just shouldn't have a bottom 4 any more. If we are going to have a bottom four, then we should be able to say what we voted down and why. If we aren't going to be allowed to do that, then eliminate the down voting altogether. Not that I want that, but the very nature of voting for 4 prompts that we don't like promotes discussion about what we don't like and why. I happen to like the discussion but if the group as a whole does not, then let's not do it.

I don't see anyone here being personally attacked, and if they feel they are , I can only think they are misinterpreting the meaning of a comment .
I've been with the group since the beginning and will say that my excitement with the voting process has changed. But I think that's to be expected. When I started the challenges, I had only been reading 1-2 books a year so the challenge was a pretty huge increase and there was a lot of initial excitement. But as you do it for a while it's not such a huge change. I also was in grad school at the time and just had a different schedule. Now that I'm working full time it's much harder to complete the challenge and stay involved in discussion.
I have to admit that I've felt the negativity but haven't been able to entirely put my finger on why it feels so negative. Which I know isn't all that helpful. I do remember that in the initial year, the commenting tended to be more general. Someone would say whether they disliked a prompt but they wouldn't say which prompt that was. Essentially "There were a few that I really disliked" as opposed to "I really don't like the memoir prompt".
And Peter made a good point that if someone was more specific then it tended to be in response to the results rather than voting. I am afraid that some are discouraged from voting for their initial picks because they think it's pointless based on current discussion. But obviously that may or may not be happening.
I also think it's possible to be constructive when criticizing a prompt or wording in a way that demonstrates that it doesn't fit an individual member's plan or reading habits rather than generalizing and criticizing the prompt itself. I wish I could remember specific comments better but I may go back and try to find something.
There can be a tendency to list only those prompts that are disliked and totally ignoring those that were liked. That can come off as negative when really the member did like many prompts. I would much rather someone say "I really liked x prompts but didn't so much like x, it just doesn't fit with what I like to read". Or even "I don't understand x. Can someone clarify or give examples?" As opposed to "I really didn't like, x, x, and x". And nothing else. Like I said, that person comes off as negative when they likely did like at least one prompt.
I've even seen people say "Nothing really jumped out at me this time". I think people are less likely to take that personally and discouraging as opposed to "I really didn't like anything this time" or "I really don't want x". At least the former conveys an attitude that you weren't excited rather than disliking something.
All of it seems minor but I do think when a number of similar posts are presented together then it adds into a negative atmosphere.
I have to admit that I've felt the negativity but haven't been able to entirely put my finger on why it feels so negative. Which I know isn't all that helpful. I do remember that in the initial year, the commenting tended to be more general. Someone would say whether they disliked a prompt but they wouldn't say which prompt that was. Essentially "There were a few that I really disliked" as opposed to "I really don't like the memoir prompt".
And Peter made a good point that if someone was more specific then it tended to be in response to the results rather than voting. I am afraid that some are discouraged from voting for their initial picks because they think it's pointless based on current discussion. But obviously that may or may not be happening.
I also think it's possible to be constructive when criticizing a prompt or wording in a way that demonstrates that it doesn't fit an individual member's plan or reading habits rather than generalizing and criticizing the prompt itself. I wish I could remember specific comments better but I may go back and try to find something.
There can be a tendency to list only those prompts that are disliked and totally ignoring those that were liked. That can come off as negative when really the member did like many prompts. I would much rather someone say "I really liked x prompts but didn't so much like x, it just doesn't fit with what I like to read". Or even "I don't understand x. Can someone clarify or give examples?" As opposed to "I really didn't like, x, x, and x". And nothing else. Like I said, that person comes off as negative when they likely did like at least one prompt.
I've even seen people say "Nothing really jumped out at me this time". I think people are less likely to take that personally and discouraging as opposed to "I really didn't like anything this time" or "I really don't want x". At least the former conveys an attitude that you weren't excited rather than disliking something.
All of it seems minor but I do think when a number of similar posts are presented together then it adds into a negative atmosphere.


I think a lot of us here are in both groups, and the big difference there as you know is the Popsugar challenge categories are given TO us. So of course no one takes it personally!

I was thinking the same thing, but is it really so difficult for us to avoid taking it so personally? I know it sucks when the prompt you (not you specifically, the general you) didn't make the final list, but it really shouldn't be seen as a personal attack. The same goes for when prompts are being criticized, questioned, or otherwise discussed. It really shouldn't be that serious.
Maybe it would help if our polls were anonymous somehow, so we separate the suggestion from particular people? It would mean a lot more work for the mods, but maybe in the future, prompt suggestions should be sent directly to a mod who then puts out the poll when 20 are reached. If we're worried about negative comments during the voting process swaying the vote, maybe those threads should be locked so no one can comment. I personally don't think this is a good approach since it really discourages us from interacting with each other and discussing things, but it might be necessary to help us take a small step back from getting so personally invested.
Also, I'm not sure we can really say that positive or negative comments in the voting threads have really swayed the votes too much, since the results were often the opposite of what we saw in the discussion. Even if it is the case, is it really such a bad thing if the discussion changes people's minds? I wouldn't think so. I sometimes had prompts that I was really not excited for at all, until people started naming book suggestions or providing lists.

I think you are right, as I have changed my mind about prompts after reading the discussions, and found them very helpful . To just have someone say they are excited about something, really doesn't help at all.

I think the more discussion about the prompts, both positive and negative, the better. It helps to either understand a suggestion, see it in a different way or to figure out why it isn't popular and could possibly be reworded. The one that sticks out for me the most is the Own Voices suggestion - it didn't get a good reaction in the discussion the first time it went up for a vote, we talked about it, people changed their minds and now it's on the list.
I've made a few suggestions and have never taken it personally when people haven't liked them. I will feel responsible next year when there are problems finding books to fill the one that made it through, but that's my own issue :)

Stuff likes "it doesn't help at all!" or "this prompt is boring" or "the results are disappointing" can give a very negative impression because they seem to apply to everyone when they are just just one person's opinion. A version with "it doesn't help me", "I find this prompt boring because..." or "I'm disappointed because my tops didn't win" give a different impression when you read them, even if the meaning is probably the same for the person who commented.
I don't think people should be all happy all the time, but at the same time, I'm not interested in a hobby place where people spend a lot of time complaining as it makes me feel bad, sad, angry or disappointed when I came there to have fun and have friendly discussions (the angry or complaining tones are never friendly for me).

For the bottom, I went with the Mako Mori one. I did a search and found no books that really interested me. Plus, we have "strong female character" on our list this year, so it seems very similar to me.

I'm not opposed to this shift in the discussions, I was pointing it out as something I've noticed.
I think Zaz hit the nail on the head with what she said - tone may not be intended as negative, but certain ways of writing will end up seeming more negative than others. Discussion is good, even if it's voicing something a member doesn't like. That helps the group move forward and keep making things better. But when things start drifting towards complaining (or seeming to be complaining based on the way they are written, intended or not) things take on a more negative and less constructive feel. Now that said, as this is a global group and English is not everyone's first language, this becomes a more complex issue without a simple fix.

But I don't get angry or complaining tones in the group. Maybe that is how I read the messages? We can't tell what someone's tone of voice is in a typed message so we have to infer that information for ourselves. And our own current mood often feeds into that. If I am in a cranky or upset mood, I may read a typed message in a cranky/upset way when the poster had no intention of being that way at all.
As an example. I can say " I didn't really like that one." and mean it in a shrugged off, whatever, no big deal way. If you were sitting in the room with me seeing my facial expressions and watching my body language, that would be very clear. When it's typed out however, you don't get all that extra info so if you take it in an aggressive or complaining tone, that isn't on me, that's on you. And I am not saying that is a bad thing at all, I'm just showing an example of how something fairly benign can be turned into something that it is not. I think everyone should look at messages as if they are coming from a positive, laid back place, rather than assuming the poster is being aggressive/condescending/complaining etc. Unless someone starts immediately calling names, belittling others who like certain prompts or outright saying "Your prompts suck!", they probably aren't trying to be negative, they are just talking.

I think Amy also brings up an excellent point about how our own mood affects how we read things. Those of us who think the group as a whole has been negative might be extra sensitive to comments that could be interpreted negatively, and more likely to notice them or view them in a negative tone. Maybe that's why some of us are seeing the same messages so differently. I know when I'm in a bad mood, I tend to interpret things more harshly too, and I think the same can go for the comments we make. I'm sure all of us at some point have made a comment that came out worse than we expected because we were in a bad mood, either here or elsewhere.
Again, that's not to say that people are wrong to interpret things that way since they might legitimately be angry or negative, but since this is written communication with no other cues, it's all down to interpretation. As one example, if a comment said "I didn't really like x and x prompt," some people would interpret that as a complaint, while others might see it as a good thing since that person only disliked two out of 20 prompts. And if people are genuinely complaining, I would assume there is a reason for it and want to figure out what the problem is, not just pass it off as just some people being negative.

Also, when I am disappointed in the results because I don't think a topic fits what I like to read, I try to remember that the reason I do reading challenges is to get out of my comfort zone and try books/genres that I would normally avoid. I may not like everything I read during a particular challenge but I am always glad I tried something new. Sometimes I am pleasantly surprised and end up liking something I thought I would hate. A prime example happened last week. I am not a science fiction fan so the prompt calling us to read a Hugo Award winner or nominee had me turning up my nose. My 23 year old son decided he was going to help by recommending a book and he recemmended Hyperion by Dan Simmons. I loved it and am planning on reading the second in the series for the science fiction prompt in next years challenge.
So the lesson for me is, keep reading new things, keep expanding my horizons and things that look the most unappealing may be the biggest surprise,
Happy reading, everyone!

My feelings about prompts tend to be more reflective of what I am working on in the 2017 challenge. If I feel positive about the prompt I working to complete, I feel more positive about the suggestions for 2018 and visa versa.
I’m looking forward to the discussions on the picked topics!

The result is that it did take away a bit of the pleasure for me personally and that is why I didn't participate in the discussion as much as the previous years.
I think it is really important to share our thoughts for all the reasons listed previously, as long as it stays constructive and not just plain whining as I've perceived several times.
Sorry if I'm saying it in a bit of a harsh way, but English is not my first language and I don't really know how to say it differently. I hesitated before speaking up because I don't want another polemic, but I just want to share how I feel ;)

I totally understand the various points of view above. They show well that it's possible here to discuss and have different opinions on things without being harsh/angry/whinning/agressive.
I'm also looking forward to the final list and everyone's plan :)
Here is how I know I am not a patient person: when it was 7 days before poll results, it felt like it took forever to find out the winners. Now that it's a mere 3 days, it still feels like it takes forever to find out the winners.
Brings to mind the old rhyme:
"Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can,
Found seldom in a lady, and never in a man."
Brings to mind the old rhyme:
"Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can,
Found seldom in a lady, and never in a man."
The entire Around the Year challenge list is generated by the group members. We enjoyed the process so much in the past two years that we are creating another list for 2018.
The Process:
The topics for the 2018 RC list will be determined through around 13 mini-polls. Each user will vote for their favorite 4 topics in each mini-poll). Suggestions for each poll will be opened until 15-20 suggestions are received+seconded. Then a poll will be opened for voting for four days so you can select your 4 favorite suggestions. The process has been unpredictable this year but we are striving for a completed list in November.
The Rules:
- Voting ends October 7
- One vote per poll per member
- Please pick your top and bottom THREE for this poll
- If you vote for the fiction/non-fiction, two-week prompt then that counts as two picks. So you would pick that plus one other prompt
Poll Entries:
- A book with a title that is a whole sentence
- A non-fiction book and a fiction book covering the same topic (2 weeks)
- A book where the geographical setting is central to the writing or plot
- A book involving or set at a circus, carnival or amusement park
- Spin the tbr wheel for your next read
- A book with a black cover
- A book featuring a game as a main element or has game in the title
- A favorite author of your favorite author
- A book with a character featured in a previous/other book by the author
- A book that makes you think
- A book where the main character is in another age category than you
- A book featuring a murder/murders (fiction or non-fiction, any genre)
- A book about natural disasters
- A book you consider a “guilty pleasure”
- A book where a character goes by a higher, honorific or professional title
- A book related to an animal (on the cover, in the title, or as a companion or character)
- A book that passes the Mako Mori test
- A biography / memoir / autobiography
- A book with the theme of human vs. nature or human vs. their environment
- A book with some mode of transportation pictured on the cover (i.e. plane, train, boat, bike, rickshaw, etc.)
Helpful Links:
- Whole sentence titles: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/3...
- Books that make you think: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
- Mako Mori Test: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Survey Link:
http://www.surveymoz.com/s/MMEDM/