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[Tytti]

This is a discussion thread. She isn't having a discussion with people who would like to have a discussion with her, or with anyone else for that matter. In a normal Internet fashion, people then have discussions with people who are willing to have discussions with them. If she doesn't like that, she can delete the thread or participate in the discussion about the topic. That way it usually also stays on topic or at least returns to it. Asking people not to discuss in a discussion thread that isn't actually being nor ever have been used to discuss about the topic is sort of pointless. Policing the thread has turned into a discussion about policing the thread.

[Tytti]

Kallie wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Tytti wrote: "Except that she isn't really interested in having a discussion."

Are you now agreeing with me or Leslie? You replied to Leslie but your reply seems to indicate me?

[Kallie]

Tytti wrote: "Kallie wrote: "Leslie wrote: "Tytti wrote: "Except that she isn't really interested in having a discussion."

Are you now agreeing with me or Leslie? You replied to Leslie but your reply seems to i..."

Tytti, I disagree with Leslie's reaction to your post. She and A make no sense to me. I think this is some kind of long con and people should say whatever they want in response but doubt I'll be one of them.

[Leslie]

And why can't you make a thread to have your preferred discussion (I think I've asked this before - and it hasn't been answered any more clearly than Anamika's "lots of reasons"). She asked the thread to stay on topic, and I ask, why can't you do that or, as she asked, leave? The thread does have a title and a topic, she says "I am looking for people who hated the diary." If I come to this thread new and wonder if there have been any responses to that question, and I have to scroll through 15 pages of off-topic discussion to find a handful of answers, that's bullshit. And I think if it happened to your thread, if you weren't too chickenshit to create one (?), you'd think it was bullshit too.

[Tytti]

Leslie wrote: "And I think if it happened to your thread, if you weren't too chickenshit to create one (?), you'd think it was bullshit too."

If I had started a thread (and I have), it would have meant I had something I wanted to discuss. So I would have also discussed about it. If it then happens that I have no interest in continuing the discussion, I would then let other people to have a discussion in the thread and it wouldn't really matter to me about what they discuss. If it were a personal thread, I might delete it. If it were just a simple question, I would have asked a discussion question. But she obviously has nothing to discuss or add to the discussion topic, so she shouldn't be surprised if people are deviating from the discussion where there is nothing to discuss and never was in the first place. She has been acting like a troll from the beginning so it shouldn't really come as a surprise if she is also treated as one.

[Olivia]

I would love it if a discussion of mine turned into something else. It shows the people on the Internet have depth and interests and opinions. And don't even start on being "chickenshit".

[Emma]

ya reading this is great entertainment

[Margot]

I personally love it when threads go off topic. It tends to be incredibly entertaining/educational. And if Anamika doesn't even bother being here to steer the conversation in the direction she wishes it to go, who says we have to go that way while were waiting? I've learned way more about the wars and everything than I would have had we simply stuck to who hates the diary or not. Come July 2, we'll all get right back on topic, provided Anamika comes through for us. :) somehow, though, I feel like the 2 will come, Anamika will give her reasons, and they'll be mind-shatteringly disappointing. Just watch it happen.

[Olivia]

I am anticipating disappointment as well. I think that July 2 is a date that is just random and she is keeping us in suspense for fun.

[Leslie]

Margot wrote: "I personally love it when threads go off topic. It tends to be incredibly entertaining/educational. And if Anamika doesn't even bother being here to steer the conversation in the direction she wish..."

This isn't about YOU and what YOU want out of the thread...god why is it so hard to figure out...She has stated very clearly that she is "looking for people who hated the diary"...and if you clog up the pages with off-topic discussion it interferes with HER objective of HER thread, otherwise, as some are fine with deviating threads, she wouldn't have said "please stay on topic, I am looking for people who hated the diary." If she hasn't had time because she is studying to attend to YOU, but she says "please stay on topic and I'll explain on July 2" what is so difficult...impossible apparently...to start a thread about what you want to discuss until then...if it is soooo fascinating and rewarding, more people will be able to find it and join in if it is clear in the title. That is pretty standard etiquette. No one claimed that -all- threads are on topic -at all times-, but when the thread host requests certain etiquette be followed, it is customary for those requests to be respected.

[Olivia]

If she wanted us on topic now, she would say so. You asked for our opinions, Leslie.

[Leslie]

Olivia wrote: "If she wanted us on topic now, she would say so. You asked for our opinions, Leslie."

She has already said so, more than once. Not everyone attends to GR 24/7. She has also said she is busy with school work. What opinion did I ask for? I asked why not start a thread with the topic you want to discuss? That question is still hanging between "I love it when threads deviate" and "this is what I would do if I did start a thread," neither of which answer the question "why don't you start your own discussion thread, and respect Anamika's request?"

[Margot]

Fine. Let's stay on topic. You go first, Leslie.

[Emma]

wait really the Leslie has nothing to say?! and really the this is not about you was used i am loosing faith in this people

oh what is there to read now

but one question why does the Leslie care about this sooo much?

and so i dont get told to get off:
i liked the book, but can see how some one wouldn't like it, but i dont see how someone could hate it

[Monty J]

Margot wrote: "I personally love it when threads go off topic. It tends to be incredibly entertaining/educational. And if Anamika doesn't even bother being here to steer the conversation in the direction she wish..."

“Oh, I don’t know. That digression business got on my nerves. I don’t know. The trouble with me is, I like it when somebody digresses. It’s more interesting and all.”
― J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye

[Olivia]

Look. Now nobody is saying anything entertaining. And if Anamika really hasn't seen it, she doesn't want to stop. I have been thoroughly interesting. Why are you taking charge and limiting our enjoyment when the host hasn't even decided it was too off-topic. Watch who you defend, because you might not get any support from them.

[Abby]

Okay I have spent a whole goddamn hour or even more reading this discussion hoping it would lead somewhere. And over that time I have made an analogy or many.
Okay if this Anamika girl doesn't have time to post her reasons how in hell does she have time to post at all! She has stated multiple times that she does not have time to post her reasons, but continues to post. Her reasons better be a novel because the wait is just unjustifiably long.
Her reasons for not posting don't make much sense at all either. As she said English is her first language so I suspect she lives in the U.S. (she may not, it's just an educated guess) so why wouldn't she be on summer break? Unless she is in college or even summer school, which I kinda doubt after I looked at the books she had read, but it just doesn't make sense. Unless her school is the latest running school ever I have no idea what is holding her back. Her reasons are flawed and she seems she is just stalling for the fun of it at this point.

Until July 2nd my friends.

[Trixie]

Good heavens - hasn't this moved on?

I haven't the patience to trawl back through this long thread but I seem to remember Leslie had quite a lot to say in reply to comments about Finland and WW2 - the point being, she was quite happy to participate in that aspect of the thread. Now she is preaching to us about how wrong it is that the conversation took its NATURAL course and digressed into that discussion.

The result of this is several pages of utter tripe about staying on topic. Almost single-handedly she has pushed this discussion so far off track it's now left the rails and overturned!

When will you get it into your head that the gentle turn this thread took from the opening statement to a discussion about war was a NATURAL course of events.

I shall not comment anymore on Leslie's comments about on/off topic - I might just as well go talk to the kettle.

[Jood]

Phew! I'm just back from a few days hiking and wondered if this thread had reached a conclusion. I see it hasn't. I've read right through it - exhausting, but had to remind myself of what started it and see how it progressed.

What is interesting to me is:
1. Why Anamika has not yet divulged her reason and has chosen a specific date on which to do so. This could have gone two ways: either people would lose interest and go away and the thread would die, or people would go on talking amongst themselves and the conversation would, naturally, digress and change....this is precisely what has happened.

2. One person in particular is very vocal, almost to the point of hysteria, about this natural digression in the thread. It's almost as if she is actually Anamika's alter-ego (which has been suggested), or she doesn't understand the nature of open forums and public discussion.

3. Having glanced down the discussions that are on-going I can see straight away that this one has the most views and the most comments - interesting that a thread concerning the hatred of a particular book has generated so much activity. I wonder if this was Anamika's intention all along.

Personally I don't care that the thread has wandered - there have been some really interesting comments, and I've learned things, for instance, about Finland's participation in the Second World War, that I didn't know (thank you Tytti).

Going back to my second point - I cannot agree with you (Leslie?)that this thread has been hijacked - it hasn't. It has followed a natural course, and the fact that Anamika, who started it all, asked for the discussion to stay on-topic, I feel, is nonsense - just because it hasn't gone the way she wanted is no reason to stamp your feet and shout "Not fair, I want you to do it MY way"

These are just a few thoughts upon my return.

[Duane]

Trixie wrote:
Thing is Duane, Anamika's opening statement was that she hated this BEFORE she had even read it...

Hm... yeah, that just means she hates it on principle even though she hasn't read it. Which is OK as long as the principle upon which she hates is general in some fashion, such as, hating all Harlequin romances because they're only read by 400 lb. housewives.

Or something.

I'm sure we all appreciate your analytical and articulate, if not intelligent, viewpoint. I think you're wasted on this thread

well, you should have stopped right after "wasted", while you were ahead... But, you're right in that I'm not going to waste intelligence on this thread.


the book of yer choice - Rednecks 'R' Us, isn't it?


Oh, heavens, NO... Here!!
(I... Dare... You... heh... heh... heh...)

[Jood]

Anamika wrote: "Would you mind reading my comment again?I said I'm researching on BOOKS.And besides,this isn't going to be an aggressive conflict because my face changes when I'm on the internet."


It's well known that millions of people hide behind the internet, using it to become entirely different, vocalising, for example, mean, nasty, intimidating - or loving, erotic, endearing - things they would not have the courage to say out loud in person. Anonymity makes people brave.

So that's quite a revealing comment, Anamika, and hot on the heels of a comment which came across as threatening. Although those comments were directed at Trixie, I should love to meet you face to face, if only to see if you are, in actual fact, a real person....male or female, young or old, clever or dim-witted.

So far, your comments lead me to believe you are quite young, possibly in your teens, maybe lonely; you could be a boy posing as a girl. You sound insecure, but then have sudden flashes of bravado which are out of character. But then all this could be false. couldn't it. Either way, it has led to some interesting reading.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

so we're still arguing about this? XD

[Jood]

Ah Belle - hello again. Having been away for some time I just thought I'd stick my nose in. I'm not arguing - in case it was me you were addressing - just posting my thoughts after a few days absence.

Disappointingly the thread grinds on, but seems to be lacking momentum.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

hi Joodith.
no. lol. I wasn't talking to you i was just talking about the conversation in general. Two new pages have been added since yesterday and its all just abck and forth arguing about the same thing. yeah, i know right :)

[Tytti]

Anamika, now you are here, so you can start a discussion question about this subject and there will be no discussion at all and everyone will be happy.

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

mhhhmmm

[Katie]

Stumbled across this thread accidently but am hooked by all the drama....

[Tytti]

Joodith wrote: "I've learned things, for instance, about Finland's participation in the Second World War, that I didn't know"

It's one of those trivia questions, too. When was the first (only?) time a democratic nation declared a war against another democratic country? UK to Finland on 6th Dec, 1941, on our independence day. (I think they was a long list countries that followed, though...) Or was it the only incident of democratic countries declaring war against each other... Something like that.

[Mae]

Anamika wrote: "Mae wrote: "@ Anamika and everyone on this thread. I am in the process of trying to figure out how to start a GR group. I am in a couple of groups, one is Irish and is wonderful. But this thread..."
Anamika, I am actually very serious. I think diversity in a forum is a very interesting thing. I will react to people and what they say when I think the topic is important of particularly interesting. When its not, I fade out, and only read the postings out of curiosity, but do not respond back again. I have disagreed with many here, and I still respect them. I would like to know who is behind the book worm ( referring to her photo). Message me.

[Mae]

@Anamika Oh and the help you can give me? This is not about what one specific person can do to help, it is about the dialectics generated. (That means the fluid ever changing exchange of ideas).

[Belle ~carry on my wayward son~]

Katie wrote: "Stumbled across this thread accidently but am hooked by all the drama...."

lol.

[Dusty Bibliophile]

Anamika wrote: "To everyone who think I didn't read it,you're wrong.I spent three months to get that book and spent about one hour(in that time I could have finished another book which is why I mentioned it) to read the this diary immediately once I got it starting from the very first page to the last.
"

I'm surprised by your dedication to get a book. Three months to work on getting a copy of The Diary of a Young Girl seems like determined dedication. That's longer than the wait I had for Fifty Shades of Grey when my library got one hundred twenty-five copies of that book. And to read it in an hour? I'm amazed at your reading speed. Amazon lists the current paperback edition at 304 pages. I certainly can't read that fast.

Would your hatred of the book have anything to do with how quickly you went through it after how long you had to wait to get it? That's an awfully long buildup for a paltry reward of an hour's reading.

[Lilli]

I thought it was rather dry and boring.
I have a cousin who is ten and he has to read it for a school
assignment.
He is going to get a surprise.

[Mae]

Okay, so everybody gave up??? I am so sad. We have five people willing to keep on going, with the Anne Frank Mob popcorn eaters. Message me if you are interested. Group name suggestions, organizing, discussion themes and volunteers for moderating are extremely welcome. It will be and intelligent diversified group.
I still love this book, it is very sad that it ever had to be written.

[Margot]

Leslie is a conversation killer. This thread was awesome, and then she came through, stayed until if became a bit boring, and now she's nowhere to be found. :( I'm super excited for this group, Mae!! With the diversity of people on this thread, I think that practically any topic you pick is destined to succeed. And Anamika, why would you look for three months for a book that you already hated? You're confusing me.

[Elisa Santos]

Margot - Please contact Mae: we are "cooking" this group as we speak.

[[deleted user]]

Margot- I completely agree with you. My first thought to Anamika's comment was, "Why put so much work into finding a book that you actually already hated?".

Anyways, I think that most people left because of the back and forth thing with Leslie.

[Sara]

I'm still here, I just have been reading, not posting... Didn't want to jump in while things were heated as I have little stake in this. Still munching popcorn *passes it around*

[Vessey]

It seems to me that Anamika doesn't want a discussion. She just wants someone to say "Oh, hey! I hate it too". Well, I don't. I don't exactly understand your motives. Some people have been complaining that it's boring, tedious. Well, this is a diary. It's not a novel and it wasn't meant for publishing. It's not an entertainment. It seems to me that these people can't keep in touch with reality. I think you've just needed to complain about something. Why else you would read it knowing that it's not your thing? There is only one normal reason for someone wanting to read this diary. A wish to learn more about these times and to show respect and compassion for its victims. It's for nobody's entertainment. Giving it a low rating and offending it because "it's boring" is absurd and highly inappropriate.

[Margot]

Thanks, Sara! *takes a handful* anyway, I have contacted Mae about the group, and it will undoubtedly be amazing!

[Margot]

Of course she doesn't want a discussion. She wants attention. She has been acting strangely for the entire thread, be it for one reason or another; take your pick. Hopefully, whatever she tells us on the 2 will be worth it, though I would bet almost anything that it won't be.

[Jood]

Vesy wrote: "It seems to me that Anamika doesn't want a discussion. She just wants someone to say "Oh, hey! I hate it too". Well, I don't. I don't exactly understand your motives. Some people have been complain..."

Absolutely spot on, Vesy.

Anamika's motives are puzzling, to say the least. I'm sure by now she has a rough idea of how many, or how few, people actually agree with her. Either way, it made for an interesting discussion.

[Mae]

Anamika wrote: "Well yes my motives are puzzling but not to get attention.

And why I spent three months for get it.Well it was haunting me and I wanted to get rid of that.Besides is there any problem if one reads..."

Joodith wrote: "Vesy wrote: "It seems to me that Anamika doesn't want a discussion. She just wants someone to say "Oh, hey! I hate it too". Well, I don't. I don't exactly understand your motives. Some people have ..."
As I said to you in my message. I think you can learn from us if you want to, and we can understand you better. I think that, is what really is in everyone's minds. We don't want to attack you, we want to understand where your hate comes from. If you reread all the the comments you will notice, that, is what people want to understand. And in this process we all learn. Generally people who enter this sort of threads enter to enrich their experience about a book. Part of that experience, is finding out why people did not like a book. There is nothing wrong with not liking a book, because of style or motive. You can even dislike the book, like some have actually posted here, but expressly understood the need for its existence. Most of them have stated, they did not like her style of writing and it was boring to read. To this people responded that the diary was really not written to be read, that it is a depiction of what happened.
Again I will say, I for one would gladly have you as a member of the group, we might help each other in the discussions of books and things of interest to members. It would be nice to have two moderators one adult and one young reader… that way we can have both side running it. But I don't know if we are ready to have you be the moderator right now. I think we need to know you better.

[Tytti]

It seems that when someone says something about the topic, she is ignored even by OP...

Lilli, how old are/were you? Maybe 10 is often too young. I was already interested in WWII at that time and had read some non-fiction about it (or watched Finnish documentaries) but I believe I was an exception. We didn't even start studying history until the 5th grade (when we were 11).

[Jood]

I'm beginning to feel like Alice going down the rabbit hole - Anamika's comments get stranger and stranger.....

[Elisa Santos]

Joodith wrote: "I'm beginning to feel like Alice going down the rabbit hole - Anamika's comments get stranger and stranger....."


The Twilight zone is more like it....

Joodith, please, don´t waste your fingertips anymore - not worth it.

And Leslie troll has never showed her face again - fighting your own shadow is not fun, is it?

[Jood]

Maria wrote: "Joodith wrote: "I'm beginning to feel like Alice going down the rabbit hole - Anamika's comments get stranger and stranger....."


The Twilight zone is more like it....

Joodith, please, don´t wast..."

Absolutely right, Maria. See you in the next group maybe? Hope so....

[Elisa Santos]

Joodith wrote: "Absolutely right, Maria. See you in the next group maybe? Hope so...."

Absolutly! We are counting you in. Looking forward to that.

[Margot]

Anamika, your motives are indeed puzzling. And the book was haunting you? What? A book you had never read was haunting you so badly that you went on a three month search to find a copy, read it, confirm your hatred of it, then ask if anyone has had the same experience as you. And as for reading books that are well known: you don't have to spend three months looking for them! Chill a little. Eventually a copy will appear somewhere, if it really is a classic or whatever.

[Denise]

Anamika wrote: "One more time I repeat:I just want to know whether anyone else hates the diary.I understand that Anne Frank has suffered many difficulties and I'm not saying it is lame.Al I want to know is whether..."

I do not have the same opinion as you do.