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message 1: by Kate S (new)

Kate S | 5906 comments 10.8 Cory Day's Task: License to Write

License to write: Read a book by an author who has worked in a profession that requires a license as listed on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profess.... If not mentioned in their GR profile, please provide a link showing the author's previous profession.

Please post any questions here.


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Ed Lehman | 2336 comments I may wish to read Tales of a Traveller by Washington Irving for this task... GR and Wikipedia fail to indicate that he was a lawyer...but this Encyclopedia Brittanica page http://www.britannica.com/biography/W... indicates:

"On his return he passed the bar examination late in 1806 and soon set up as a lawyer."

Another issue is that GR does not have a page count for the book...but a copy on Amazon shows it at 280p. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015...


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Ed wrote: "I may wish to read Tales of a Traveller by Washington Irving for this task... GR and Wikipedia fail to indicate that he was a lawyer...but this Encyclopedia Brittanica..."

Fixed the page count. And, though the Britannica requires registration, I found the information at http://www.biography.com/people/washi...


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Valerie Brown | 2304 comments I'm considering Bloodletting & Miraculous Cures by Vincent Lam. He is a Dr. which is mentioned in the book's blurb on GR.

Also, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent...


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Valerie wrote: "I'm considering Bloodletting & Miraculous Cures by Vincent Lam. He is a Dr. which is mentioned in the book's blurb on GR.

Also, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi..."


Got him!


message 6: by Amanda (new)

Amanda | 1527 comments Fast becoming one of my top books for the season, Mikhail Bulgakov started his career as a Dr!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail...


message 7: by Amanda (last edited Mar 03, 2016 12:42AM) (new)

Amanda | 1527 comments And Kingsley Amis was a teacher!

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...

Edit : Actually, whilst this and Wiki have him listed as a teacher, I can only see him working as a lecturer.


message 8: by Amanda (new)

Amanda | 1527 comments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_K...

trained as a lawyer, but it doesn't say that what he did with the insurance firm was in the capacity as a lawyer, any ideas anyone ?


message 9: by Kazen (new)

Kazen | 619 comments How about Ali Olson? From her webpage:

"Ali Olson is a longtime resident of Las Vegas, Nevada, where she has been teaching English at the high school and college level for the last seven years."


message 10: by Amanda (new)

Amanda | 1527 comments ok, Jose Saramago was a car mechanic ?!

I don't know about elsewhere, but a mechanic generally has to be licensed here, because of the nature of the safety aspect of their trade.


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Bea | 1501 comments Amanda wrote: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_K...

trained as a lawyer, but it doesn't say that what he did with the insurance firm was in the capacity as a lawyer, any ideas anyone ?"


If you read further in the article, it describes him as "processing and investigating compensation claims, writing reports, and handling appeals from businessmen who thought their firms had been placed in too high a risk category". In USA, this is not a licensed type of job and the position is known as a claims adjuster.


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Karen Michele Burns (klibrary) | 4416 comments Lisa Genova, graduated valedictorian, summa cum laude from Bates College with a degree in Biopsychology and has a Ph.D. in Neuroscience from Harvard University, works for this task and everything of hers I have read has been good. I just have Love Anthony left to read and that's the one I'm going with!


message 13: by Lagullande (new)

Lagullande | 959 comments Freeman Wills Crofts

Railway engineer


message 14: by Lagullande (last edited Mar 03, 2016 06:02AM) (new)

Lagullande | 959 comments Tayeb Salih

Teaching? - "However, excluding a brief spell as a schoolmaster before coming to England, his working life was in broadcasting."


message 15: by Elizabeth (Alaska) (last edited Mar 03, 2016 07:47AM) (new)

Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Just a reminder about the task. The professions have to be named in the wiki article, and they are these (so mechanics and railway engineers don't count):

Medical Doctors
Medical Nurses
Psychologists
Lawyers
Teachers
Engineers
Social Workers
Occupational Therapists
Architects
Plumbers
Electricians
Bartenders
Barbers
Massage Therapists


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Amanda wrote: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_K...

trained as a lawyer, but it doesn't say that what he did with the insurance firm was in the capacity as a lawyer, any ideas anyone ?"


We'll take Kafka, as the article says:

Kafka was awarded the degree of Doctor of Law on 18 July 1906[b] and performed an obligatory year of unpaid service as law clerk for the civil and criminal courts

Yeah, "unpaid" but he did have his degree and apparently it was required to perform that "unpaid" service.


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments So, added to the list this morning:

Franz Kafka
Mikhail Bulgakov
Kingsley Amis
Ali Olson
Lisa Genova
Tayeb Salih


message 18: by Lagullande (last edited Mar 03, 2016 08:45AM) (new)

Lagullande | 959 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Just a reminder about the task. The professions have to be named in the wiki article, and they are these (so mechanics and railway engineers don't count):

Medical Doctors
Medical Nurses
Psychologi..."


Elizabeth, sorry if I'm being slow but doesn't "engineer" cover a multitude of fields?

Freeman Wills Crofts was an engineer who happens to have worked mostly in the railway industry, eg helping design a viaduct.

"Railway engineer" was my phrase, not an official job description. (However, wiki describes Railway Engineering as encompassing a wide range of engineering disciplines, including civil engineering, computer engineering (probably not in Crofts' time though!), electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, industrial engineering and production engineering.)

He also worked in other fields, as explained in this quote from the same wiki linked above: "Croft continued his engineering career until 1929. In his last task as an engineer, he was commissioned by the Government of Northern Ireland to chair an inquiry into the Bann and Lough Neagh Drainage Scheme."

ETA - having just looked at the Crofts wiki again, it lists his occupations as "Civil Engineer, Novelist". Civil Engineer is one of the types of engineers when you click on the blue hyperlinked word "engineer" on the list of occupations.

Sorry - I had no intention of this becoming such an essay (embarrassed face)


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Lagullande wrote: "Freeman Wills Crofts

Railway engineer"


He was a civil engineer, not an engineer on a train. I misunderstood.


message 20: by Deedee (last edited Mar 03, 2016 09:06AM) (new)

Deedee | 1829 comments 10 Lawyers Who Became Authors

1. Erle Stanley Gardner
2. John Grisham
3. Scott Turow
4. Meg Gardiner
5. John Mortimer (Rumpole of the Bailey)
6. Richard North Patterson
7. Wallace Stevens
8. John Buchan (The Thirty-Nine Steps)
9. Louis Auchincloss
10. Henry Fielding (The History of Tom Jones (1749))


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Thanks, Deedee. I've added all of these to the list!


message 22: by Deedee (new)

Deedee | 1829 comments Guy Gavriel Kay is a lawyer.
He returned to Canada in 1975 to take a law degree at the University of Toronto. He was called to the bar of Ontario in 1981.


message 23: by Deedee (last edited Mar 03, 2016 09:37AM) (new)

Deedee | 1829 comments doctors who became famous authors

• Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
• W. Somerset Maugham
• William Carlos Williams
• Robin Cook
• Oliver Wendell Holmes
• Michael Crichton
• Anton Chekhov
• Zane Grey


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Deedee wrote: "doctors who became famous authors

• Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
• W. Somerset Maugham
• William Carlos Williams
• Robin Cook
• Oliver Wendell Holmes
• Michael Crichton
• Anton Chekho..."


Got these!


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Joanna (walker) | 1364 comments Stephen King:

After leaving the university, King earned a certificate to teach high school but, unable to find a teaching post immediately, initially supplemented his laboring wage by selling short stories to men's magazines such as Cavalier. Many of these early stories have been republished in the collection Night Shift. In 1971, King married Tabitha Spruce, a fellow student at the University of Maine whom he had met at the University's Fogler Library after one of Professor Hatlen's workshops.[18] That fall, King was hired as a teacher at Hampden Academy in Hampden, Maine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen...


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Amanda | 1527 comments Deedee wrote: "doctors who became famous authors

• Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes)
• W. Somerset Maugham
• William Carlos Williams
• Robin Cook
• Oliver Wendell Holmes
• Michael Crichton
• Anton Chekho..."


my husband gave me that list last night :) Decided to go with Conan Doyle :)


message 27: by Lagullande (new)

Lagullande | 959 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "He was a civil engineer, not an engineer on a train. I misunderstood."

No you didn't - I chose my words badly!

I actually just came back to delete my post, as I regretted making such a big deal over it. You all do so much work to keep the challenge so interesting, and you don't need petty argumentative types giving you extra hassle. Apologies.


message 28: by Amanda (new)

Amanda | 1527 comments Oh, look, Anthony Burgess was a teacher !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony...

He remains my favourite for this season with that! ;)


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Lagullande wrote: "Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "He was a civil engineer, not an engineer on a train. I misunderstood."

No you didn't - I chose my words badly!

I actually just came back to delete my post, as I regret..."


Don't worry about it at ALL! I get crotchety sometimes.


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Got Stephen King and Anthony Burgess.


message 31: by Lagullande (new)

Lagullande | 959 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Don't worry about it at ALL! I get crotchety sometimes."

I tried to find a free clipart of a Crotchety Alaska, but alas they were all too expensive. Probably just as well.

Thanks for being understanding.


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Lagullande wrote: "I tried to find a free clipart of a Crotchety Alaska, but alas they were all too expensive. Probably just as wel..."

LOL


message 33: by Bea (new)

Bea | 1501 comments Jeffery Deaver was a lawyer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery...


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Bea wrote: "Jeffery Deaver was a lawyer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery..."


Got him!


Jayme(the ghost reader) (jaymeiltheghostreader) | 2256 comments Would a veternarian count? Unleashedby Eileen Brady


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Jayme(the ghost reader) wrote: "Would a veternarian count? Unleashedby Eileen Brady"

While there are many professions which require a license, for the purpose of this task, we will be accepting only professions listed on the wiki link. A veterinarian does not work for this task.


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Sam (theliteraryhooker) | 1008 comments Would Colm Tóibín work? Wikipedia says he's a professor.


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Sam wrote: "Would Colm Tóibín work? Wikipedia says he's a professor."

Yes, he works!


message 40: by Rosemary (last edited Mar 04, 2016 05:03PM) (new)

Rosemary | 2778 comments So college professors count as teachers? I was thinking they had to be schoolteachers.

Does this work outside the USA (even though we don't use the title "professor" so commonly)? So for example Tiffany Murray has an equivalent job to a US college professor, although we call it a university lecturer, would that work?


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Rosemary wrote: "So college professors count as teachers? I was thinking they had to be schoolteachers.

Does this work outside the USA (even though we don't use the title "professor" so commonly)? So for example ..."


Yes, professors are teachers. And I wouldn't have recognized "university lecturer" as such, so thanks for expanding my knowledge on that score.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ... Yes, I'll add Tiffany Murray to the list!


message 42: by Sam (new)

Sam (theliteraryhooker) | 1008 comments Great, thanks Elizabeth! I'm loving all the possible combos this season! :)


message 43: by Amanda (new)

Amanda | 1527 comments In her bio here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muriel_...
it states that Spark taught English for a time.


message 44: by Amanda (new)

Amanda | 1527 comments And Sayers was also a teacher for a time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy...


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Amanda wrote: "And Sayers was also a teacher for a time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy..."


Got both Muriel Spark (thanks!) and Sayers. Love the mug shot of Sayers.


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Amanda | 1527 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Amanda wrote: "And Sayers was also a teacher for a time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy..."

Got both Muriel Spark (thanks!) and Sayers. Love the mug shot of Sayers."


Er, i have to admit I didn't read too much about her the first time and didn't realize she was British. She just really looks like an American gangster!


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Kathleen (itpdx) (itpdx) | 1338 comments Matt Love is a teacher
https://www.oregoncoastbank.com/matt-...
Do I get double points for 2 four letter names? LOL


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments itpdx wrote: "Matt Love is a teacher
https://www.oregoncoastbank.com/matt-...
Do I get double points for 2 four letter names? LOL"


Got him!

When I was working out a database query (wrongly), I found we have 2 people who have three 4-letter names! (We're not going to use the query, by the way, there were over 1200 authors already who qualify for that task.)


Elizabeth (Alaska) | 11712 comments Adam Johnson - GR profile says he is an associate professor.


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Denise | 1448 comments Raymond Carver was an English professor at Syracuse University--I just discovered this while reading an interview with him in Fires: Essays, Poems, Stories, which I am about to finish.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymo... - third sentence under "Second Marriage".

"In 1980, the two moved to Syracuse, New York, where Gallagher had been appointed the coordinator of the creative writing program at Syracuse University; Carver taught as a professor in the English department."


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