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Is this a series?
does anyone know this universe?https://www.goodreads.com/series/1680...
advent calender doesn't sound as series at first ...but perhaps it is one with a weird name?
Lachgas wrote: "does anyone know this universe?https://www.goodreads.com/series/1680...
advent calender doesn't sound as series at first ...but perhaps it is one with a weird name?"
The covers say Warhammer 4K, which is a valid and well established universe with many different authors.. I would suggest renaming the series to "Call of Chaos" as per the titles.
I think those are all short stories.
Hmm this will be interesting to fix the numbering. All 24 works are shorts stories. All odd works are collected in this omnibus. (Bottom work in series page)
All even works are in this one.
So I'm wondering instead of putting numbers such as 1,3,5,7,9,11...etc how we can make it clear that that is the case?
"Odd numbered issues" and "Even numbered issues"?
Krazykiwi wrote: ""Odd numbered issues" and "Even numbered issues"?"That made me LOL. So simple! Would have never thought of it :D
Always give the tough stuff to the laziest person, we'll figure out the most efficient way ;)
I was quite impressed by the 800+ works in the Warhammer4k series I must admit - must be an awful lot of work to add them all ... phew
Lachgas wrote: "are two parts of a book considered as a series? https://www.goodreads.com/series/181348and similar https://www.goodreads.com/series/181349 (three parts of Henry VI)"
Yes, but these aren't separate parts of a book. But, instead, 5 different plays by Shakespeare. Are they connected? Yes, see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriad. But they are not pieces of one book.
Henry IV, Part 1
Henry IV, Part 2
Henry VI, Part 1
Henry VI, Part 2
Henry VI, Part 3
ETA: oops. I just noticed that I'm at the end of page 6 and there's another page. Um, let's see if someone already said what I said? heh. I should pay more attention to whether or not a thread has more posts before I respond to stuff.
My understanding is that we create series pages for books that were initially published as one volume and consequently separated in parts. So the series page combines the parts of the book together. If you look on this series page, the books are also part of War of the roses. As per the explanation on that second series the books seem to be in the same "universe".
However I usually don't touch series like this as I am not familiar with English literature. Hopefully someone will point out if I am wrong and those should be deleted, though I would err on the side of caution and leave them if no one else comments.
Ellie [The Empress] wrote: "My understanding is that we create series pages for books that were initially published as one volume and consequently separated in parts. So the series page combines the parts of the book together. "Yes, but these weren't originally published in one volume (except in the sense that the first official version of the plays were published at the same time in a kind of 'complete works of Shakespeare' volume). They were all plays by Shakespeare that may or may not have been among the ones that were published without his permission during his life, but were definitely published when his friends published a 'Complete Works' that included all of Shakespeare work after he died (or, at least, 36 of his plays).
Unless new information has come to light, Shakespeare, the playwright, published none of his plays during his life (except as things to hand out to his actors to use to learn their lines - a few copies of which still exist . . . I think).
Henry IV and Henry VI were not published as that at some point, as books, then broken down into separate parts. They were always separate plays that, somewhere along the line, got combined together into one volume . . . at the same time as all of Shakespeare's plays were combined into one collection. Technically - using that 'published as one volume' as a guide to create a series, 36 of Shakespeare's plays could be linked in a series as a part of that 'parts of one volume makes a series' - since technically the only 'official' versions of the plays that got published was that 'complete works' book that his friends published. (the plays had been published during Shakespeare's life, separate from each other (presumably) but were not 'official' plays - the publishers 'stole' them and published them - copyright laws weren't exactly what they are today)
"Many of Shakespeare's plays, which were written to be performed, were not published during his lifetime. The First Folio is the first collected edition of Shakespeare’s plays. It was published in 1623, seven years after Shakespeare’s death. Two of Shakespeare’s fellow actors compiled 36 of his plays, hoping to preserve them for future generations. Without it, we would not have 18 of Shakespeare’s plays, including Macbeth, Julius Caesar, Twelfth Night, The Tempest, Antony and Cleopatra, The Comedy of Errors, and As You Like It."
I would not, personally, create a series that consists of those 36 plays.
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Now in terms of - is there a series? yes - they tell the story of a period of time in British history, with many of the same 'players' (or relatives), and something like 8 of Shakespeare's plays are considered a series by Shakespeare experts. The War of the Roses series that you link are those 8 plays.
I'm not sure if there is a specific reason to have the Henry IV plays, and separately the Henry VI plays linked in separate series - separate, that is, from War of the Roses. Though they would technically qualify - same universe, same characters (to a certain extent), etc.
#315 yes. that's something like https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1... just from a publisher and with monographsedit: ok after reading on the rowohlt page - that's not really like the SZ Bibliothek ... they just seem to call all their monographs just "Rororo Monographien" ... according to the website more than 650 at the moment.
Lachgas wrote: "#315 yes. that's something like https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1... just from a publisher and with monographs"Thought so, but better double check, is my motto. :)
What's about these Taschen series?https://www.goodreads.com/series/7540...
The icons one looks like an imprint to me, the other ones can stay because it looks like same topic? or deleted as well? (universe is quite difficult with non fiction)
Lachgas wrote: "What's about these Taschen series?https://www.goodreads.com/series/7540...
The icons one looks like an imprint to me, the other ones can stay because it looks like same topic? or delet..."
With non-fiction, I would personally use the rule of:
Would this book still be part of the series if
a) Republished by the author?
or
b) Released by a new publisher once out of copyright?
If no, then it's a publisher's imprint. That's my feeling anyway... :)
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Edit: Actually, that one is somewhat different and I'd say just this side of the line and ok to stay.
rivka wrote: "320: Yes. Don't forget to remove it from the title lines (edition fields are ok) before deleting the series."Thanks. Will do :)
320: Deleted and titles fixed. Left 322 as it is.
and if that would be fictional I wouldn't see a series part in it https://www.goodreads.com/series/188844
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I'd say that one barely is on the "keep" side of the line. All the editions of each work are part of this same series, and they have customized content that has considerably more in common from work to work than a theme.
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The same as the above, although this one is even closer to the line.
Re Clarkesworld and similar - I view these as anthology series, but Rivka may disagree. I would prefer us to keep them...
#327/330 - In reality since that is a series of Magazines, and they are not in Kindle or Paperback form, they probably should be removed from GR, because they fall under the category of not-a-book.
I was mixing up another "magazine" series with Clarkesworld, which does often have individual ASIN for the monthly Kindle editions.EDIT: This series is the one I was thinking of.
Two points to consider with them:
- If the "books" are OK as anthologies (they often seem to be decreed as toeing the line but just about OK), then we need a Listopia for them, and will need to make that a project given the quantity of issues is more than one librarian or user can vote for. (If not, that bit is moot!)
- Having the issues is beneficial for when we find yet another 300 adds for a short story not published in any other anthology! I admit that's one of my personal whack-a-mole areas though, so I might have a different outlook on it... :)
#334. Series should be deleted and the editions combined. Can't find the thread where this was confirmed but this should be good enough: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
This is obviously an imprint, but as it is non-fiction I am as usually not entirely sure if it should be deleted or kept: https://www.goodreads.com/series/9887...
Isn't that more an imprint than a series? https://www.goodreads.com/series/4931...
Publisher describes it as series:
Insinuations: Philosophy, Psychoanalysis, Literature, Charles Shepherdson, ed.
This series focuses on the overlap between contemporary continental philosophy and the adjacent fields of rhetoric, literary theory, and psychoanalysis, with an emphasis on how these intersections contribute to cultural theory.
This: https://www.goodreads.com/series/2067... is one I created for this thread: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... but posting here for confirmation/other opinions.
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#341 - IMO Definitely an imprint, because all the editions of a given work are NOT part of the "series".
I'm a bit unsure about this series https://www.goodreads.com/series/7758...Added the missing books but got a bit confused by the description in some of the books "Welcome to the VIGILANTE Series, a growing collection of suspense best sellers best described as thrillers and mysteries which will have you cheering for the assassin as justice is delivered in a clandestine fashion... "
That sounded more like an imprint to me I must admit, so I looked for same characteres in description and the first books mentioned McCall (and the last one) so I added the few missing ones.
While I looked for the one missing book I came across https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... where it says "Barry/McCall" series - which are the characters mentioned in the descriptions of the first Vigilante books.
Now I'm doubting ... if this "Vigilante" is not just only an imprint (there are books were McCall isn't mentioned in description, only other police guys).
Tried to look it up on authors homepage but that doesn't work.
So does anyone know this series and if "Vigilante" has characters in common or is just a collection of changing serial killers/killer hunters?
I've never read these book and don't usually work with series.https://www.goodreads.com/series/163765
The series hasn't been properly formed, doesn't appear to have characters in common & the Bollywood link is tenuous at best. Can I delete the (Bollywood)?
#345 according to a few reviews at least 2 books have characters in common ... seems as if she takes a character from the former book into the new one - which would mean 1&2 probably have one in common and 2&3 another one (the one of #2 is murderd in #3 say the reviews)I wouldn't consider that as a series I think but I wouldn't see a Kathryn Dance& Lincoln Rhyme series on my favourite author Jeffery Deaver - and GR does so ... *chuckle* (there are Lincoln Rhyme/Amelia Sachs and a Kathryn Dance series - but a series for books in which both appear? never would define that as an extra one (and in fact since Dance appeared first they mention/appear each other in every book))
So I'm obviously not the best reference in case of guest appearances ;)
Thanks Lachgas - I didn't look at reviews. I think a lot of romances do have tenuous links like this. I'll leave it a bit longer & if no vote against, I'll turn it into a series (will be a good learning experience for me) & fix typos in the series description at my link. :)
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Well, there's the casting vote! :)Thanks Rivka.
This isn't a series, is it?"Dark Iceland: English Publication Order series"
https://www.goodreads.com/series/170745
"The ordering for the English publication differs from the original."
#350 The books are set in the same universe and have a common character. The publishing/reading order is different than the original series. The series page should stay.I'm curious why do you think it doesn't qualify as series?
Ellie [The Empress] wrote: "The publishing/reading order is different than the original series."Is it? Because it's the same in every other language. I don't see why the English publication order (it doesn't say anything about the reading order) is more important than the publication order in other languages and it would be stupid to make series of publication orders in every language.
Tytti wrote: "Is it? Because it's the same in every other language. I don't see why the English publication order (it doesn't say anything about the reading order) is more important than the publication order in other languages and it would be stupid to make series of publication orders in every language. "Nowhere is it stated the English order is more important. Original pub. order series exists as well.
As per the manual It is allowed to create series for different reading orders. You say reading order is not mentioned, but it is implied. You cannot read books that are not yet translated and published, so the reading order in this case would be the same as the publishing order for the translation.
I do agree that creating a series for each language would be too much. Also, I guess it would not be against the rules to delete the English series page and note the order in the description of the original series page, but I personally am I against this until there are more series pages to deal with.
Let's see what other librarians have to say as well.
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