The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
Why are people reopening this can of worms.... I think it's time for me to unfollow this thread.
I can't resist throwing this out: presenting homosexual relationships is the same as presenting heterosexual relationships. If we can afford to let Disney teach them about heterosexual relationships why can't we allow Disney Hyperion teach them about homosexual relationships? (And if you say "BCZ ITS WRONG!!" Ill fricking gag) Homosexuality exists whether you like it or not and it has the right to be represented just as strongly as heterosexual relationships have been represented since the dawn of culture. It is a thing and no matter how many threads everybody writes on this, no matter how "disappointed" you announce you feel you are of Rick just because you have different views (or just make baseless arguments) cannot and never will change the fact that a boy will kiss a boy and a girl will kiss a girl. It happens whether you give it your blessing or not (even though it really shouldn't litigiously speaking, because whether another person likes another person really truly isn't your business in the least). Nico is a magnificent human that has been emotionally oppressed and damaged by the likes of people like you that try to make him feel guilty for being capable of love. He is able to love someone with his heart not just with his crotch and you'd think since people preach so much about love and peace that you would realize that you are literally protesting against love and promoting inner-rage that is only going to hurt you and not the people you're attacking because they don't even hate you they just pity you for your crammed mind and hate filled hearts while they get to enjoy loving the person that makes them happy. Just stop telling other people who they can or cannot love and for the love of Hermes almighty PLEASE stop acting like "homosexuality is adult content" when theres frickin toddler shows jam-packed with heterosexual relationships and stop targeting Rick. He knows very well what he is doing. If you're a fan of this series you should be smarter than that. If you don't like the fact that Nico wants to kiss Will's lips instead of a girl's, then tough! It's not gonna change just because you wrote a text in an itty bitty thread about how you don't agree with another author's personal world's choices. If you likes it yaay if not boo frickin hoo go read something else STOP CRITICIZING PEOPLE FOR HAVING DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHO THEY CAN DATE ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
it made me mad when I figured it out but I still like him alot
Lucas wrote: "I just read to where nick admits hes gay and my first thought was: what the hell are u doing rick!!!! But seriously what exactly was he thinking?"I was thinking the same thing! I mean really? Nico was an awesome character....
I did not expect this from RR.... not good... I did not like this addition.... he did NOT have to do that. As for nico... he was an amazing character... one of my favorites... but after adding this, I feel his WHOLE personality had changed.... I just didn't like it...... not thinking of reading blood of olympus, but I'll just read it anyway.
C.R. wrote: "Um... well I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't think he'd put it in because a bunch of younger kids read this. My fifth grade sister just asked, "How can a boy have a crush on a boy?" And I was like..."Totally agree...
Brenna wrote: "I'm so disappointed! The biggest problem that I have with this move in his books is that his target audience is children. Parent's buy these books for their children because they know that they are..."I totally agree...
YOU BLOODY HOMOFOBICS. as long a you live in this world there will be no humanity.
BTw I'm graduating in 4 days so....wish me luck!!
Melodi wrote: "YOU BLOODY HOMOFOBICS. as long a you live in this world there will be no humanity."oh dear
The heterosexual couples weren't mature either. Love is portrayed so terribly these days.
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Rick Riordan did an amazing thing by including the LGBT community in his novel and that too with such a strong character. I mean I would have loved Nico anyway, so yeah
What! Are you kidding. Firstly lets try to remember that this is a book based on GREEK MYTHOLOGY, and no one gave a flying EFF, who they were bunking in those times, pretty sure hercules had more guys than girls, and Apollo was no saint either. Nico's sexuality was so intricately woven into the entire story, we just couldn't see the signs until his run in with cupid. Throughout the entire book he's isolated himself! Remember how he reacts to Jason touching him, because he's not only afraid of being around other's but afraid of the intimacy he might feel if he starts letting them in. Cupid as the personification of love was just a genius add in, not the la-di-da little diaper wearing baby but as love often is, cruel, unforgiving and in this case unrequited. Also remember the greeks are all about tragedy - a Nico is a classic, never being able to accept himself and who he truly is, and because of that his friends can't gel with him and Percy's pretty unsure about wtf is going in this kid's head. Rick Riordan is famous for two things, cliffhangers and bomb shells, and this was a bomb well dropped. Literally I can see him writing this, and just walking away from the pure carnage he knew the readers would be left in.
Lucas wrote: "I just read to where nick admits hes gay and my first thought was: what the hell are u doing rick!!!! But seriously what exactly was he thinking?"Why? What's wrong with Nico being gay? You've never seen people confessing their love before? What about Percy's heterosexuality and Hazel & Frank's 3 year of HUGE age difference. Seriously, what the hell was he (Riordan) thinking when he made Percy straight?
C.R. wrote: "Um... well I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't think he'd put it in because a bunch of younger kids read this. My fifth grade sister just asked, "How can a boy have a crush on a boy?" And I was like..."Well, I sorry for your homophobic family and you losing yours books. But hey, read on Kindle and you rmum won't know what you're reading. Plus, better teach you whole family a lesson here. If a guy/girl can have a crush on a girl/guy, then why can't the same gender have a crush on each other? Why can't they love who they want? People think it's gross? Inapropriate? You mum thinks you'll be gay if they read about a cute gay couple? Well then, she better accept the fact that not everyone is like her and there's no point making people like her. Change your views, mate. This world is already full of hate and prejudice.
I thought this thread would have been nuked by now... It's been years.
Kevin wrote: "I thought this thread would have been nuked by now... It's been years."
It should become a thread about Nico and (view spoiler) . Along with other characters, even if they're from different series.
It should become a thread about Nico and (view spoiler) . Along with other characters, even if they're from different series.
Neona wrote: "It should become a thread about Nico and [spoilers removed] . Along with other characters..."No. No it should not.
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Who is Will again? Solace kid? Son of Hermes...apollo? A healer?Did Will and Nico ever get together? Was it a fan made couple? Did Rick give any indication (unlike Nico. Think what you want but Nico's coming out had breadcrumbs full of clues. Some of you guys, however, have selective amnesia and stay pressed about Riordan's "scandalous" storyline.) that Will was gay/bi/queer? Tune in next season for the finale
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Ok, look, I'm done with this whole "homosexuality is a sin!" bullshit. guess what! love does not always make sense. and I should know. I'm a girl, and I have a girlfriend. we've been dating for two years as of last week. or, you know, last week from when this comment was posted. So Nico wants to date a guy. so what. I like it. I mean, I can point out in a bunch of other books, were there was so many other creepy things. like in twilight. Jacob somehow marked Bella's daughters as his future mate. (I know this because nostalgia critic put it in his video about how bad twilight.) I myself find twilight to be a piece of sparkly Bullshit. and besides, getting back to the topic, I honestly kind of suspected that Nico was gay from the beggining. I mean, you look closely at every part of every book Nico has been in, and you see the signs of his homosexuality all over the place.
Exactly. So many parents (and kids) were shocked by this revelation. Some said it was disgusting and wrong or that they or their child would never pick up another book by Rick Riordan again.We all know that homosexuality has yet to be embraced by everyone, so this is to be expected. But Nico is someone we've known for several books now. People identified or sympathized with him. And now they're turning their backs on him because he's gay. As if that changes everything.
Or maybe people like me didn't like the big reveal for a different reason: the circumstances Nico confessed under. It was forced out of him. That's such a terrible way to have a character share any secret, not just when coming out of the closet. It's better when you're able to tell someone when you're ready, not when it's bullied out of you. Nico was bullied. He felt ashamed the rest of the book. He had no choice if they were going to get the scepter, but that doesn't excuse what Riordan did. He hurt Nico and his readers when the truth was forced out of him. He should have handled it much differently.
Maybe that's partly why people are angry or repulsed.
EXACTLY! I mean, people loved Nico when they thought that he was in love with Annabeth. then the minute they find out he was gay, they turned their backs. and besides the fact that he is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER, there is nothing immoral about homosexuality. or even bisexuality. i mean, what if albert einstein had been gay? would he have been any less smart if he had been gay? no, he would have still been a genius, but with different sexual preferences
Yeah! Everyone thought he was cool. Raising and animating the dead from the grave, practically teleporting, killing things at a touch . . . that's awesome on its own. The depth of Nico's character made it even better. And then this book happened, and suddenly he's not cool anymore.
I have no problem with it. I love how diverse his characters has become. Showing all different types of backgrounds, like Piper being Native American, Frank being Chinese, exploring Apollo's bisexuality, Sam being Muslim, ect. Also of course, Nico being gay. Some people/parents have a problem with it, but what about young LGBTQ+ kids? I think it'll be good for them to see that being gay, bi, transgender, ect., is okay.
To be fair, some people didn't like Nico coming out because it was never "hinted at" and didn't fit the story line, not necessarily because they found gays disgusting. BUT make no mistake, that's also a go-to excuse for someone who is INDEED homophobic so pay attention to people who suddenly cry out in despair over something as minute as a person's sexuality. I came for the discourse, stayed for the drama
GROW UP being gay is not irresponsible
Jeff wrote: "GROW UP being gay is not irresponsible"So People are "immature" for having a different viewpoint to yours?
Good to know.
I am personally shocked to see that, not only are certain people ranting against ONE SINGLE HOMOSEXUAL CHARACTER in one amazing book aimed at tweens and children, which is atrocious, I see that there are people treating the matter like it is R18 content, and somehow, not appropriate for a 'delicate' and 'impressionable' children.Heterosexual couples, how ever, seem to escape the scrutiny. Homo and Hetero sexual people and couplings are COMPLETELY the same (In my, and 63% percent of Australia's opinion) and to me, ranting on and on about the 'wrongness' of expressing a different opinion in a tweens book seems absurd.
How I dream for a day when this 'bombshell' becomes less 'astonishing'. A day when everyone who reads the chapter to shrug and carry on reading. Alas, it is a impossible dream, there will aways be people with differing opinions but some of you seem to need reminding of this. Some of the 'right' and 'just people who are 'bravely' defending the (human and natural) rights of gay and lesbian people everywhere need to step of there high horse, especially when they start insulting people with words like: "Tolerance is dead with you alive" and "You don't deserve to live on this world". These things are down right hurtful, and often shadowed by a (hypocritical) comment like: "There is nothing wrong with view points that are different from yours!"
Finally, I would like to say that I wholeheartedly support Rick as he works to create books that are filled with real world people, that face (some of) the same problems like we do. Characters like Nico and Muslim Samirah al-Abbas (from Magnus Chase) are the thing that raises Rick's work a notch above almost all other nail-biting action'y' books.
This thread has been going on for 4 years and really needs to die.
Rachel wrote: "i absolutely love nico. he is my favorite character and has been since he was introduced in the titan's curse. Him being gay changed absolutely NOTHING. hes still a really awesome guy, no matter wh..."I love you bro
Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."What is wrong with you? Stop it. For all you know, I could be gay.
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I totally FORGOT about this. #4YearsGoingStrong
I....I don't understand the faux outrage from you newcomers...it's literally been 5 years?!?
Kevin wrote: "This thread has been going on for 4 years and really needs to die."Yes!
And the outrage is not “faux.”
I shouldn't think it will survive for another 5 years.The debate is coming to a end all across the world (apart from some backwards countries like Russia)
50 years from now, people will wonder why this ever was a thing.
The future is a beautiful place
Blogger wrote: "Waswsa wrote: "I hate the fact that some people think that you can just throw that in a book that kids may read and that is okay. I think not that is just wrong and kids younger then 10 should not ..."Lol <3
This is what Rick himself says about the topic in a interview....I’ve taken the same approach with my writing. It’s essential to me that young readers find a variety of relatable, positive role models in my books. Every child can be a hero. No child should be shamed or shunned for being different.
Nico’s sexual orientation became clear to me the longer I wrote about his character. It was not something I planned. I had no agenda. But when I realized this was a major part of his life experience and the reason for so many of his difficulties with the other characters, it would have been a disservice to his character, the plot of the books, and all my readers simply to sweep the issue under the rug and pretend it didn’t exist. Turning a blind eye to children’s needs is never an acceptable answer.
I’ve been lucky enough to teach all sorts of students – fifth grade to twelfth grade, rich and poor, from numerous ethnic backgrounds, with diverse religious traditions and a variety of learning differences. I’ve also taught gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students. Some self-identified as early as elementary school. Some came to terms with their sexual orientation later in high school. Most had a hard time during the middle grades, which are tough years for any child. All my middle school students enriched my classroom. They made me a better teacher and a better writer for children, and they all deserve my support.
I am committed to writing appropriate books for the middle grades. This means no bad language, no gratuitous or explicit violence, and no sexual content beyond what you might find in a PG-rated movie – expressions of who likes whom, holding hands, and perhaps the occasional kiss. The idea that we should treat sexual orientation itself as an adults-only topic, however, is absurd. Non-heterosexual children exist. To pretend they do not, to fail to recognize that they have needs for support and validation like any child, would be bad teaching, bad writing, and bad citizenship.
Having said that, a good book, like a good classroom, should raise questions, not insist on a particular set of answers. It certainly should not ignore difficult questions. Whatever a family’s moral and religious beliefs on the topic of sexual orientation, I hope The House of Hades will provide an opportunity for parents to talk to their kids about what they believe, and why they believe it. Most importantly, I hope the story continues to entertain and keeps kids reading!
One of the most important reasons I became a teacher was to advocate for marginalized children – those who are bullied or misunderstood, those who feel lost and alone. As a middle school student myself, I certainly felt that anguish. As a middle school teacher, it was critical to me that all my students saw my classroom as a safe, supportive environment where they could be honored for who they were and express themselves without fear.
Good on you Rick. :)
Just because someone resents you for killing his sister, and is socially inverted doesn't mean he is gay for you. And people screaming "I knew it!!", doesn't help.Rick just wanted a well known character to use for his social political correctness gain. Nico had little known about him, so he was sacrificed on the alter of fame.
Doesn't even matter, the books were dropping in quality, and his PC fame grab just put a nail in the coffin. You can never trust an author who puts their fans wants, above the story. (.i.e. People asked for gay characters, and Rick provided).
I dropped Rick after this book and never looked back. I read the first book of his Norse Percy Jackson, and dropped the series too. Maybe I just out grew Rick's writing.
Kevin wrote: "Just because someone resents you for killing his sister, and is socially inverted doesn't mean he is gay for you. And people screaming "I knew it!!", doesn't help.Rick just wanted a well known ch..."
I agree with you on some things. Although for me, it's not because I find Rick's writing bad or catering to the masses; I just outgrew Percy Jackson and other books/series I used to read in elementary, middle and high school. Don't get me wrong, every now and then, I still read them for nostalgic sake but I've moved on.
i have shipt the will and nico sins befor rick even fot that will and nico will be a together, i have shipt them sins lost hero. { i love will}
Oh, Nico. I'm so proud. I like having a gay character to look up to. Maybe Nico is attracted to him sexually, but it is probably just a silly crush.
Catherine wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "No. Im mad at Rick cause you've got people as young as 9 reading these books. They don't need to read about that, sorry."And there are apparently people younger than th..."
Thank you. exactly. I not a homophobe, but this was out of the blue and unnecessary. I still love him but......he didn't need to be gay
I was really happy when I found out Nico was gay, and even happier when he hooked up with Will because I mega-shipped them.(GO NICO SOLACE!)
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Being gay is not just a controversial topic. It's a reality for countless people, children included. You literally make me feel sick. You don't deserve to live on this planet.