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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
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Oct 14, 2014 02:43PM
@Matthew: Your right, There are also many species that abandon their young. Does that make it ok for us to abandon ours?
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Why wrote: "@Matthew: Your right, There are also many species that abandon their young. Does that make it ok for us to abandon ours?"Dang.
That was good.
Why wrote: "@Matthew: Your right, There are also many species that abandon their young. Does that make it ok for us to abandon ours?"No, although we did until recently. The real point, which you just demonstrated, is that natural≠right/good; However, natural≠bad, either.
❄ sʜᴀʜᴅɪᴀ ❄ ᶫᵃᵈʸ ᵒᶠ ʷᶦᶰᵗᵉʳᶠᵉᶫᶫ ❄ wrote: "@Will Solace: Forced outings are wrong. Forced outings are wrong. Say it with me: forced outings are wrong. Nico should have made his own choice when to come out."I am not someone who watches Dora, and I am not six. I am a sixteen year old demigod who happens to quite enjoy Nico.
I'm saying I liked the forced outing because it snowballed into many other great things for Nico and a better understanding of him and why he keeps freaking running away from both camps.
The fact it improved my chances has *cough* nothing to do with it.
I liked the forced outing because I fear for Nico's safety and I was worried for quite a long time he was suicidal.
But now that he has it out,
So many other things can be lifted off his chest.
And if he would look up and stop staring at his feet,
He would see,
I am standing there with open arms.
To help carry that weight.
And Percy. He is there.
And Jason. He's like the over-protective parent to Nico.
And Annabeth. She's there for everyone.
And everyone at both camps that are still living,
They are waiting to help carry that weight.
Many people, Nico, would like to be your friend.
Would you open your eyes and open your arms and let us?
So... The forced outing wasn't good, but what it did for Nico was good.Personally, I'm glad he got it all out there. It helped Nico move on. Now he can be a happier person and form healthy relationships (hehe big Solangelo shipper here). Watching Reyna and Nico bond was great. They formed a solid friendship. That friendship might not have happened if Nico hadn't gotten that push (however wrong it was to force it on him) from Eros/Cupid.
I admit to agreeing with forced outings in general. My homecoming date was one :)
Oh great, so there's more romance in the new book?
Gay or not, this is really getting lame. RR has no imagination anymore. What a joke.
Maybe if people who supported gay rights weren't always so shallow about romance in the first place they'd have more credibility, but somehow I have yet to see it. Narcissistic teenage girls with fake hair and images don't count. These meaningless selfish attitudes about romance don't count.
Gay or not, this is really getting lame. RR has no imagination anymore. What a joke.
Maybe if people who supported gay rights weren't always so shallow about romance in the first place they'd have more credibility, but somehow I have yet to see it. Narcissistic teenage girls with fake hair and images don't count. These meaningless selfish attitudes about romance don't count.
Having sincere concern for someone is hate.
Laziness at addressing issues is open-mindedness.
Sexual attractions are a type of love.
Disagreeing with someone is bullying.
Everything is so backwards.
Laziness at addressing issues is open-mindedness.
Sexual attractions are a type of love.
Disagreeing with someone is bullying.
Everything is so backwards.
Nobody bullies gay people the way you act like.
HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?
No? Awesome! Big surprise.
Oh, but they can't help it that deep down they disagree with their lifestyle? So we're not cool with being tolerant anymore...?
It's bullying to have different beliefs. It's bullying to disagree. It's bullying to dare to want better for someone. Pure hate.
I know somebody who gets accused of hating their relative when all they want is to help them. Even if they were misguided, how can you call them hateful? How unfair and dishonest. All just for propaganda.
I know too many people who twist the truth to compliment their views. I have never once actually witnessed anything scandalous happening to a person who said they were gay (with no other factors whatsoever).
Stop these absurd lies, and stop believing the teenage girls on tumblr who accuse their fathers of being witch-burners for telling their daughter to go to church with the family, etc.
Stop writing off everyone who challenges you as "hateful." What a terrible attitude.
HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?
No? Awesome! Big surprise.
Oh, but they can't help it that deep down they disagree with their lifestyle? So we're not cool with being tolerant anymore...?
It's bullying to have different beliefs. It's bullying to disagree. It's bullying to dare to want better for someone. Pure hate.
I know somebody who gets accused of hating their relative when all they want is to help them. Even if they were misguided, how can you call them hateful? How unfair and dishonest. All just for propaganda.
I know too many people who twist the truth to compliment their views. I have never once actually witnessed anything scandalous happening to a person who said they were gay (with no other factors whatsoever).
Stop these absurd lies, and stop believing the teenage girls on tumblr who accuse their fathers of being witch-burners for telling their daughter to go to church with the family, etc.
Stop writing off everyone who challenges you as "hateful." What a terrible attitude.
Brown wrote: "Nobody actually bullies gay people.Just thought I'd point that out.
HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?
No? Awesome!..."
That is simply not true. There are plenty of LGBTQ+ that have committed suicide over being bullied because go their sexuality, and sometimes the bullying transgresses into murder. Just because you have never seen something happen does not mean it doesn't exist. The intolerant should only be tolerated if they are not affecting anyone else. Sometimes one's "help" just makes things worse.
Matthew wrote: "Brown wrote: "Nobody actually bullies gay people.
Just thought I'd point that out.
HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?..."
Excuse me, but murder and disagreeing are two extremely different things, and we need to stop lumping everything together.
Maybe there have been murders, but that is not common here and the people who commit them are (OBVIOUSLY) not following any supposed christian beliefs.
There is too much blurring of lines and pointing fingers to the point of bullying coming from the other side (more common in my experience) than the other way around.
Don't treat gay people differently, but if you are in a position where you're expected to give an opinion you have to be honest and sincere (and yes, respectful). But respectful doesn't automatically equate to "accepting" something as good.
And if anybody has to commit suicide over that.... that's a problem that must be addressed only in themselves. (Again, not excusing anyone who does actually bully anybody).
How many people have you literally seen go up to a gay person and say "loser" for the reason they were gay? Sincere question.
I have not seen that in my life, however I have seen many of my Catholic friends get blown up at/cussed out/snubbed for saying nothing more than that they support traditional marriage. By the people who claim to be open-minded and tolerant.
I would also add that there are lots of factors to suicides. And bullying for that matter. A lot of these people already have different family/relationship/depression issues that effect their decisions.
In the end, I'm just trying to say that the victim approach, while it never made me more sympathetic to their viewpoint, is not even accurate more than just plain propaganda, and in some cases, outright lies. (Which I see every day).
If anyone gets bullied for being gay, I'm sorry.
But if you expect that to somehow prove you're the ones who are right, the odds aren't necessarily in your favor in the first place.
Just thought I'd point that out.
HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?..."
Excuse me, but murder and disagreeing are two extremely different things, and we need to stop lumping everything together.
Maybe there have been murders, but that is not common here and the people who commit them are (OBVIOUSLY) not following any supposed christian beliefs.
There is too much blurring of lines and pointing fingers to the point of bullying coming from the other side (more common in my experience) than the other way around.
Don't treat gay people differently, but if you are in a position where you're expected to give an opinion you have to be honest and sincere (and yes, respectful). But respectful doesn't automatically equate to "accepting" something as good.
And if anybody has to commit suicide over that.... that's a problem that must be addressed only in themselves. (Again, not excusing anyone who does actually bully anybody).
How many people have you literally seen go up to a gay person and say "loser" for the reason they were gay? Sincere question.
I have not seen that in my life, however I have seen many of my Catholic friends get blown up at/cussed out/snubbed for saying nothing more than that they support traditional marriage. By the people who claim to be open-minded and tolerant.
I would also add that there are lots of factors to suicides. And bullying for that matter. A lot of these people already have different family/relationship/depression issues that effect their decisions.
In the end, I'm just trying to say that the victim approach, while it never made me more sympathetic to their viewpoint, is not even accurate more than just plain propaganda, and in some cases, outright lies. (Which I see every day).
If anyone gets bullied for being gay, I'm sorry.
But if you expect that to somehow prove you're the ones who are right, the odds aren't necessarily in your favor in the first place.
Brown wrote: "Nobody bullies gay people the way you act like.HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?
No? Awesome! Big surprise.
Oh, ..."
Um excuse you have you ever seen something and just shouted "GAYY"
Think we enjoy that?
Someone joking about our sexuality?
Oh yeah that just brightens our day.
Will Solace wrote: "Brown wrote: "Nobody bullies gay people the way you act like.
HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?
No? Awesome! Big su..."
People make jokes about girls making sandwiches every day.
I'm a girl.
Think I enjoy that?
Well, I never really thought about it, because it's so worthless and I could care less. In any case, the gay thing isn't unique. (Though they're both stupid to say).
That's not "HATE"
It's more often than not, just idiots saying something mindless.
Idiotic, yes. I'll give you that.
HAS ANYONE HERE SEEN ANYBODY GO UP TO A GAY PERSON AND SAY "LOSER!" FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY WERE GAY?
No? Awesome! Big su..."
People make jokes about girls making sandwiches every day.
I'm a girl.
Think I enjoy that?
Well, I never really thought about it, because it's so worthless and I could care less. In any case, the gay thing isn't unique. (Though they're both stupid to say).
That's not "HATE"
It's more often than not, just idiots saying something mindless.
Idiotic, yes. I'll give you that.
They should make a movie with the right actors and actresses.
and rate it PG 13
Hey @Brown, Im a girl, too.
Im lesbian.
So take your narcissistic, bigoted comments,
And LEAVE.
Because this argument is about a fictional character's sexuality.
And you're getting all of the LGBT and pro-gay people fired up.
For what purpose?
To express your opinion?
We all have one.
To fight for what you believe in?
Well now I'm fighting too.
To clear the air?
You just made it dense.
We will never stop fighting.
We are a legion of people who have rose above this hate.
And expressed ourselves.
As we truly are.
And you telling us its "idiotic" won't change that.
Will Solace wrote: "Hey @Brown,
Im a girl, too.
Im lesbian.
So take your narcissistic, bigoted comments,
And LEAVE.
Because this argument is about a fictional character's sexuality.
And you're getting all ..."
Hey, thanks!! Here's a perfect, wonderful example of what I was talking about.
You think only people who support gay rights have a right to an opinion.
You all have free passes to turn things personal, insult, cuss at people and act otherwise completely rude in debates like this. I see how it is. This isn't a fight about respect at all. It's packaged that way, but it's all just about shutting everyone up who dares to think putting together two genitals that don't even fit is perverted and shallow.
Hey, alot of people think it's cool to objectify women or stare at porn too. That doesn't make it right. It's piggish and yes, disgusting.
I'm just gonna be blunt now, I'm done talking about romantical fantasies that surround this. Nobody needs to be told this is part of who they are. Ever.
I guess it's just who my art teacher is to constantly objectify women and draw naked sexy ladies like a pig because he was born that way.
After all, 50% of Americans objectify women too! And some gorillas!
Im a girl, too.
Im lesbian.
So take your narcissistic, bigoted comments,
And LEAVE.
Because this argument is about a fictional character's sexuality.
And you're getting all ..."
Hey, thanks!! Here's a perfect, wonderful example of what I was talking about.
You think only people who support gay rights have a right to an opinion.
You all have free passes to turn things personal, insult, cuss at people and act otherwise completely rude in debates like this. I see how it is. This isn't a fight about respect at all. It's packaged that way, but it's all just about shutting everyone up who dares to think putting together two genitals that don't even fit is perverted and shallow.
Hey, alot of people think it's cool to objectify women or stare at porn too. That doesn't make it right. It's piggish and yes, disgusting.
I'm just gonna be blunt now, I'm done talking about romantical fantasies that surround this. Nobody needs to be told this is part of who they are. Ever.
I guess it's just who my art teacher is to constantly objectify women and draw naked sexy ladies like a pig because he was born that way.
After all, 50% of Americans objectify women too! And some gorillas!
Relationships based on mutual selfpleasure will NEVER be as important or serious as a relationship ordered toward being selfless.
That's why even the straight teen romance in books like this come across as so stupid too. It's about the most worthless part of love.
You all underestimate friendship, which is the whole meaningful part here. Stop tacking on physical displays of affection like it fulfills you.
You do not need to package everything as romantic.
(Admittedly this is a problem with maaany straight relationships as well.)
That's why even the straight teen romance in books like this come across as so stupid too. It's about the most worthless part of love.
You all underestimate friendship, which is the whole meaningful part here. Stop tacking on physical displays of affection like it fulfills you.
You do not need to package everything as romantic.
(Admittedly this is a problem with maaany straight relationships as well.)
This is such a game, and you're all fooling yourselves.
The way you use the words hate and bigoted. The lies you tell about anyone who stands against you. Claiming this is about love and respect. The meaningless phrases about "all people are equal" (what? who said they aren't??).
You are far too buried in meaninglessness, and having to constantly dig through it really, really speaks volumes.
Now take everything I said out of context, miss the point and sprinkle in lots of irrelevant personal insults:
1, 2, 3: GO!!
The way you use the words hate and bigoted. The lies you tell about anyone who stands against you. Claiming this is about love and respect. The meaningless phrases about "all people are equal" (what? who said they aren't??).
You are far too buried in meaninglessness, and having to constantly dig through it really, really speaks volumes.
Now take everything I said out of context, miss the point and sprinkle in lots of irrelevant personal insults:
1, 2, 3: GO!!
I'll add that I am not calling all homosexuals pigs.
But I honestly think they are being ignorant and naive to think homosexual relationships and actions are okay.
Think about where this really comes from, and what it's saying.
I know this sounds really harsh and you all hate me, but this is what my conscience sincerely tells me, and I won't apologize for that.
I'm not calling you all idiots either. I just think you're wrong about this particular subject. There's no hate about it, but if you want to see it that way, you are stewing in self-manufactured misery. I hope you'll be bigger people than that.
But I honestly think they are being ignorant and naive to think homosexual relationships and actions are okay.
Think about where this really comes from, and what it's saying.
I know this sounds really harsh and you all hate me, but this is what my conscience sincerely tells me, and I won't apologize for that.
I'm not calling you all idiots either. I just think you're wrong about this particular subject. There's no hate about it, but if you want to see it that way, you are stewing in self-manufactured misery. I hope you'll be bigger people than that.
@Will Solace
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the worst? :/ This is getting extremely ironic.
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the worst? :/ This is getting extremely ironic.
Brown wrote: "@Will SolaceI think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the worst? :/ This is getting extremely ironic."
Then I apologize.
And I'm pessimistic I assume everything's the worst.
But it's actually an advantage in these situations.
Because now you feel smart and it's better than I thought.
And I've just had the sort of past where you learn to assume the worst.
Will Solace wrote: "Brown wrote: "@Will Solace
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the worst? :/ This is getting extremely ..."
But isn't that what you always say not to do? To be judgmental?
I'm not asking for apologizes, because I don't really care at all. It's just that everything here is so backwards. This has nothing to do with treating people fairly. That's a lie.
It's about let me do whatever I want and shut up.
Well, I agree people have to make their own choices and mistakes, but that doesn't mean they aren't mistakes and I'll call them what they are when the time comes to discuss them because people don't deserve to be told every choice they make is a good one.
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the worst? :/ This is getting extremely ..."
But isn't that what you always say not to do? To be judgmental?
I'm not asking for apologizes, because I don't really care at all. It's just that everything here is so backwards. This has nothing to do with treating people fairly. That's a lie.
It's about let me do whatever I want and shut up.
Well, I agree people have to make their own choices and mistakes, but that doesn't mean they aren't mistakes and I'll call them what they are when the time comes to discuss them because people don't deserve to be told every choice they make is a good one.
Brown wrote: "Will Solace wrote: "Brown wrote: "@Will SolaceI think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the worst? :/ This i..."
But that's assuming that your sexuality is a choice... I mean, from what you've said, you seem to be asexual (welcome to the LGBTA community), and I sincerely doubt that one day you just woke up and said to yourself "screw penises, screw vaginas, I don't need that crap". (And if you did, good for you. You've got more self control than the rest of us.) So it wouldn't make sense to think gay people did that, because many of them wish they could be straight. I mean, who in the hell is going to make a conscious decision to be rejected, hurt, and put down by people because they don't apparently like the "right" gender? Answer me that one.
Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Will Solace wrote: "Brown wrote: "@Will Solace
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the wo..."
I'm asexual now?
....
This is the kind of crap that turns me off when it comes to the gay movement and makes me see it as complete and utter bull.
You love your labels WAY too much and limit yourselves at the drop of a hat. It's ridiculous.
There's a girl in one of my classes who makes everyone call her "he," because once again, another teenager is dependent on titles (and in her case pronouns) to define who they are.
That's not a good thing at all. I refuse to go along with it.
Feelings are the worst thing to label yourself after by far. Especially when you're just a young kid.
There is no basis for your "sexual orientation" except what your preference is.
Nobody says "I made a mistake, about what my orientation was." There's no rhyme or reason other than what you "like." That's not a "huge part of who you are." It's an emotion.
Emotions don't rule you. At least they were never meant to. They don't change your gender. They don't force you to marry someone.
Their place is at the beginning. They can be acted upon OR NOT.
WE make the choices.
And I can easily answer your question.
The girl in my class, the girl at my church, a million other people I know who want to be victims because they're frankly attention seekers whose lives revolve around their fake images. Maybe they don't even consciously do it, but it's not a coincidence they all focus way too much on image and fill out 100 "about me" questions a day on tumblr.
When did we get to the point that an 11 year old can have a passing feeling that they're attracted to a cartoon character and decide to label themselves after it, and we all bend over backwards to make sure we "respect their orientation?"
Um, no. This is crap. This is stupid. This isn't important or serious or meaningful whatsoever.
This is masquerading as important, trying to ride the coat tails of a meaningful institution that has withstood the test of time (marriage between a man and woman), and it won't work.
You are not forced to engage in perverted sex anymore than my art teacher is forced to lust at women and act like a pig about them.
Yup, he was "born" wanting to do that. It's still not right.
On that note, you are not forced to get into "relationships" with people of the same gender either. Unless you think relationships are just a fun game based on people being cute together, why shouldn't a meaningful friendship suffice?
What is it about physical displays of affection that fulfill you? Because you can only CHOOSE to engage in those.
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick to assume the wo..."
I'm asexual now?
....
This is the kind of crap that turns me off when it comes to the gay movement and makes me see it as complete and utter bull.
You love your labels WAY too much and limit yourselves at the drop of a hat. It's ridiculous.
There's a girl in one of my classes who makes everyone call her "he," because once again, another teenager is dependent on titles (and in her case pronouns) to define who they are.
That's not a good thing at all. I refuse to go along with it.
Feelings are the worst thing to label yourself after by far. Especially when you're just a young kid.
There is no basis for your "sexual orientation" except what your preference is.
Nobody says "I made a mistake, about what my orientation was." There's no rhyme or reason other than what you "like." That's not a "huge part of who you are." It's an emotion.
Emotions don't rule you. At least they were never meant to. They don't change your gender. They don't force you to marry someone.
Their place is at the beginning. They can be acted upon OR NOT.
WE make the choices.
And I can easily answer your question.
The girl in my class, the girl at my church, a million other people I know who want to be victims because they're frankly attention seekers whose lives revolve around their fake images. Maybe they don't even consciously do it, but it's not a coincidence they all focus way too much on image and fill out 100 "about me" questions a day on tumblr.
When did we get to the point that an 11 year old can have a passing feeling that they're attracted to a cartoon character and decide to label themselves after it, and we all bend over backwards to make sure we "respect their orientation?"
Um, no. This is crap. This is stupid. This isn't important or serious or meaningful whatsoever.
This is masquerading as important, trying to ride the coat tails of a meaningful institution that has withstood the test of time (marriage between a man and woman), and it won't work.
You are not forced to engage in perverted sex anymore than my art teacher is forced to lust at women and act like a pig about them.
Yup, he was "born" wanting to do that. It's still not right.
On that note, you are not forced to get into "relationships" with people of the same gender either. Unless you think relationships are just a fun game based on people being cute together, why shouldn't a meaningful friendship suffice?
What is it about physical displays of affection that fulfill you? Because you can only CHOOSE to engage in those.
Brown wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Will Solace wrote: "Brown wrote: "@Will SolaceI think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you all so quick ..."
Excuse me?
That girl you mentioned is probably trans.
So leave her alone.
And none of us chose this.
We didn't choose the gay life,
The gay life chose us.
We love it.
We don't limit ourselves to labels.
We
Exceed
Them.
is a dumb excuse for late puberty. My friend didnt have her first period till she was 18(it happens) so she didnt feel anything for anyone. puberty came along and poof she found herself liking me. then she moved on to another guy. it.is.called.life.
Will Solace wrote: "Brown wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "Will Solace wrote: "Brown wrote: "@Will Solace
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you..."
Can I quote you on that?
I think you misread my comment... I said the people who make those dumb jokes were idiotic.
Why are you..."
Can I quote you on that?
Yes. Tell me when you do.
I want to laugh in the hater's face.
Why wrote: "is a dumb excuse for late puberty. My friend didnt have her first period till she was 18(it happens) so she didnt feel anything for anyone. puberty came along and poof she found herself liking me. ..."No. Asexual. Is. A sexual. Orientation. And if you aren't asexual, Brown, great for you. I'm sorry if I assumed a bit too much, but typically one who views sex as disgusting isn't super interested in it. Also, Brown, that "girl"? His gender is male, and it won't hurt you to call him such.
Natalie wrote: "Why wrote: "is a dumb excuse for late puberty. My friend didnt have her first period till she was 18(it happens) so she didnt feel anything for anyone. puberty came along and poof she found herself..."PREACH.
PREACH.
I like you.
Let's be friends.
Will Solace wrote: "Natalie wrote: "Why wrote: "is a dumb excuse for late puberty. My friend didnt have her first period till she was 18(it happens) so she didnt feel anything for anyone. puberty came along and poof s..."Let's.
*Mature thingy I don't know I'm not mature I'm a fangirl* Let's.
I do think it's sad thatnhe made Nico that way. The whole spirit of his books has def. Changed. I hope they don't discuss it in blood of olympus. I Have read these series since I was in 4th grade. (Sophomore!!!!!) He should have given some warning. It's sad on his part, but what's done is done.
Tatyana wrote: "I do think it's sad thatnhe made Nico that way. The whole spirit of his books has def. Changed. I hope they don't discuss it in blood of olympus. I Have read these series since I was in 4th grade. ..."Um do you mean this was bad?
*kisses Nico right in front of you*
SO SAD ISN'T IT???
IT'S SO SAD.
SO TERRIBLE.
*Every time I end a phrase I kiss Nico again*
GODS IT'S AWFUL.
WHY DID THIS HAPPEN?
OH NO WHY.
SO SAD.
WHY RICKY WHY
Will Solace wrote: "Tatyana wrote: "I do think it's sad thatnhe made Nico that way. The whole spirit of his books has def. Changed. I hope they don't discuss it in blood of olympus. I Have read these series since I wa..."Hahahaha. I will never understand why people discovering and hopefully accepting him or herself is "sad". Also, Tatyana, the Blood of Olympus is just amazingly gay on so many levels.
Natalie wrote: "Why wrote: "is a dumb excuse for late puberty. My friend didnt have her first period till she was 18(it happens) so she didnt feel anything for anyone. puberty came along and poof she found herself..."
The fact that you think I view sex as disgusting shows you are purposely assuming the worst again.
You know I never said that, and I refuse to explain what I was trying to say, because you darn well know.
That girl is a girl, and the fact that she thinks it's anything to be ashamed of is terrible.
It's not bullying to think someone shouldn't be afraid of themself (I don't even say anything to her, but I suppose feeling this way would be considered bullying in your book).
Changing the definition of male and female does not change your gender. And being so concerned with your image that you actually think it matters what pronoun you're called is horrible. You're just encouraging narcissism AND you're the ones encouraging stereotyping ("there are no such thing as girls who are tough, therefore I am a boy." What??)
If girls can be like anything, and boys can be like anything... why would you have to switch which one you "are?"
So you really DON'T believe girls can be anything they want? Gee thanks.
In the end you are the most close-minded bunch out there, and the way you insist that you are the ones who are open-minded makes no sense!!
The fact that you think I view sex as disgusting shows you are purposely assuming the worst again.
You know I never said that, and I refuse to explain what I was trying to say, because you darn well know.
That girl is a girl, and the fact that she thinks it's anything to be ashamed of is terrible.
It's not bullying to think someone shouldn't be afraid of themself (I don't even say anything to her, but I suppose feeling this way would be considered bullying in your book).
Changing the definition of male and female does not change your gender. And being so concerned with your image that you actually think it matters what pronoun you're called is horrible. You're just encouraging narcissism AND you're the ones encouraging stereotyping ("there are no such thing as girls who are tough, therefore I am a boy." What??)
If girls can be like anything, and boys can be like anything... why would you have to switch which one you "are?"
So you really DON'T believe girls can be anything they want? Gee thanks.
In the end you are the most close-minded bunch out there, and the way you insist that you are the ones who are open-minded makes no sense!!
LIKING a certain thing is an emotion.
Emotions have never and will never define who we intrinsically are.
"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are.” - Albus Dumbledore
It was always our choices, and we ALWAYS have a choice to act on emotions or not. I will never be sympathetic to the argument that your emotions are a serious, important, dominant basis for what lifestyle you choose. Like I said, my art teacher doesn't have to draw pictures of (basically) porn, though he was apparently born wanting to. We're born wanting a lot of stuff.
The question we have to ask is NOT whether or not we "like" something or you could justify ANYTHING. Because in the end you're basing the argument that a gay lifestyle is acceptable on the fact that you "like" it, and that was NEVER a valid argument ever.
Emotions have never and will never define who we intrinsically are.
"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are.” - Albus Dumbledore
It was always our choices, and we ALWAYS have a choice to act on emotions or not. I will never be sympathetic to the argument that your emotions are a serious, important, dominant basis for what lifestyle you choose. Like I said, my art teacher doesn't have to draw pictures of (basically) porn, though he was apparently born wanting to. We're born wanting a lot of stuff.
The question we have to ask is NOT whether or not we "like" something or you could justify ANYTHING. Because in the end you're basing the argument that a gay lifestyle is acceptable on the fact that you "like" it, and that was NEVER a valid argument ever.
It sounds nice and poetic to say you exceed labels, but it's just another example of a meaningless phrase that you say because you think it sounds good.
If it was supposed to mean something and I'm missing it, can you please go into detail and clarify what it was, or possibly directly address any of the points I've been making? None of us are supposed to be close-minded here after all. Thank you.
If it was supposed to mean something and I'm missing it, can you please go into detail and clarify what it was, or possibly directly address any of the points I've been making? None of us are supposed to be close-minded here after all. Thank you.
Brown wrote: "It sounds nice and poetic to say you exceed labels, but it's just another example of a meaningless phrase that you say because you think it sounds good.If it was supposed to mean something and I'..."
Believe it or not, Brown, I do consider myself to be pretty open minded. I mean, once upon a time, I was just like you- gays were "disgusting" and marriage is meant only between a woman and a man, not any two consenting adults who love each other, mainly because I was raised to be hateful and narrow minded by people who were already such. And I stayed ythat way for a long, long time. So imagine my surprise when I met a real live gay person and they were just fucking amazing. Yeah, it definitely changed my ways. Because gay people are the same as the rest of us, minus some small differences. Deal with it.
(Also, sex and gender are two very different things. Sex is the actual sexual organs someone was born with, gender the sex that they actually identify with. So someone can be born of the female sex, and be male in gender. And if they have an operation, they can be male in both sex and gender.)
Natalie wrote: "Brown wrote: "It sounds nice and poetic to say you exceed labels, but it's just another example of a meaningless phrase that you say because you think it sounds good.
If it was supposed to mean so..."
I know gay people.
...I never said they weren't real people like the rest of us. I never treat them differently.
How in the world does having different beliefs than them equate to bullying or thinking less of them?
I never said they were disgusting. I think their actions might be... or more often the actions they might condone but don't actually engage in.
Guess what? You don't like my beliefs, and that doesn't mean you're full of hate or narrow-minded. That point makes no sense, and you have got to stop repeating it.
You are all the most dishonest, biased bunch I've ever talked to. Stop the stereotyping, judging and outright lying. You are nothing but hypocrites when you do that. I have to ask you to please be bigger people than that.
If it was supposed to mean so..."
I know gay people.
...I never said they weren't real people like the rest of us. I never treat them differently.
How in the world does having different beliefs than them equate to bullying or thinking less of them?
I never said they were disgusting. I think their actions might be... or more often the actions they might condone but don't actually engage in.
Guess what? You don't like my beliefs, and that doesn't mean you're full of hate or narrow-minded. That point makes no sense, and you have got to stop repeating it.
You are all the most dishonest, biased bunch I've ever talked to. Stop the stereotyping, judging and outright lying. You are nothing but hypocrites when you do that. I have to ask you to please be bigger people than that.
You changed the definition of gender, by the way.
Now it's just a confusing game that everyone misses the point of. It was never meant to be just another stepping stone for our images. This is the age of narcissism though, so it's not surprising.
I don't see how you can necessarily decide that you "identify" with one gender over the other. Both groups are made up of individuals and they're all extremely different.
Many times (with girls especially) I see them getting unfairly lumped together and used as stepping stones for others to look better.
"I hate girly girls, pink is so stupid! I'm a tomboy!" *posts meme that says "I'm not like other girls" and dramatically looks up into the stars*
Well, guess what? The rest of the gender doesn't necessarily like those things either, stop putting people in boxes that in the end you are only using so that you can portray yourself a certain biased way. Put simply, it's a form of showing off and abusing other people for it.
You can't use others to compliment yourself, it's not being fair or honest to them or yourself. And you're really telling me every 10 year old girl on Tumblr who claims to be trans really knows everything and everyone of each gender and can deem that they don't "identify" with them?
We are what we are, and playing this game only encourages us to be ashamed of ourselves, stereotype others and be downright vain and narcissistic. It's really not cool or necessary.
It was cool when gender used to just mean what physical body you were born with instead of a game about narcissistic self image like everything else these days.
"Now let's hurry and go fill out the '100 facts about me surveys' in our deviantart journals so we can make up more fantasy games and stereotypes!"
This is really not cool guys.
Now it's just a confusing game that everyone misses the point of. It was never meant to be just another stepping stone for our images. This is the age of narcissism though, so it's not surprising.
I don't see how you can necessarily decide that you "identify" with one gender over the other. Both groups are made up of individuals and they're all extremely different.
Many times (with girls especially) I see them getting unfairly lumped together and used as stepping stones for others to look better.
"I hate girly girls, pink is so stupid! I'm a tomboy!" *posts meme that says "I'm not like other girls" and dramatically looks up into the stars*
Well, guess what? The rest of the gender doesn't necessarily like those things either, stop putting people in boxes that in the end you are only using so that you can portray yourself a certain biased way. Put simply, it's a form of showing off and abusing other people for it.
You can't use others to compliment yourself, it's not being fair or honest to them or yourself. And you're really telling me every 10 year old girl on Tumblr who claims to be trans really knows everything and everyone of each gender and can deem that they don't "identify" with them?
We are what we are, and playing this game only encourages us to be ashamed of ourselves, stereotype others and be downright vain and narcissistic. It's really not cool or necessary.
It was cool when gender used to just mean what physical body you were born with instead of a game about narcissistic self image like everything else these days.
"Now let's hurry and go fill out the '100 facts about me surveys' in our deviantart journals so we can make up more fantasy games and stereotypes!"
This is really not cool guys.
You are not open-minded, because you refuse to address any of the points I bring up, and only keep repeating a lie that I am "hateful toward gay people."
Open-minded isn't necessarily agreeing with someone, it is however, showing you're listening to what they're saying by actually responding and not shutting them down with the same meaningless phrase over and over. I'm still waiting for your answers to previous points I made in response to you.
Open-minded isn't necessarily agreeing with someone, it is however, showing you're listening to what they're saying by actually responding and not shutting them down with the same meaningless phrase over and over. I'm still waiting for your answers to previous points I made in response to you.
Brown wrote: "You are not open-minded, because you refuse to address any of the points I bring up, and only keep repeating a lie that I am "hateful toward gay people."Open-minded isn't necessarily agreeing wit..."
Really cuz you're not listening to anything I have to say.
Or any of us for that matter.
I'm still waiting for an actual reason on why you hate us.
Not just gays,
The people standing up for them.
I don't read your full responses because I don't like to read things so full of stupidness.
That's why I don't read Shakespeare.
If they're so great,
Why can't we understand them?
I'm not just "out of the box"
I threw away the box and now SpongeBob and Patrick are playing in it.
I'm about breaking limits.
Exceeding expectations.
I'm about being a person who does not call everyone else stupid because they don't feel special for having their comments read.
Brenna wrote: "I'm so disappointed! The biggest problem that I have with this move in his books is that his target audience is children. Parent's buy these books for their children because they know that they ar..."As one of the children reading this series I have to disagree with your opinion I thought it was cleverly done also people are discovering their sexual orientation as early as 4 years old you can't really criticize an author for his choice of topics when they're his books
Okay seriously. What's going to happen when gay people get married? Is the world going to end? Is your child going to suddenly commit suicide? Are aliens going to arrive on earth and declare earth their next conquest? No. Gay people are just going to get married.Imagine that you have a problem. You dropped your favorite book in your gutter. This book you've had since you were a child, it was gift from your grandmum, and you love this book. Now it's all wet and soggy. You start to cry, because you just feel upset about it, and there's nothing to be done now.
Suddenly, a stranger just comes up to you and taps you on the shoulder. "Sorry, dude, but you can't cry because it's just a book. Just go get another one."
Even though it's a really bad example, the point is, you have no right interfering with something that doesn't belong to you. You don't know what it's like, so stop acting like you do and that you know it's bad. If you're not gay, then you have no right to be against homosexual marriage. It's not going to affect you in any way if it happens, so why prevent it? What's it going to do? Seriously?
Also, Brown, you mentioned that you always have a choice.
Not when it comes to things like that. You can't choose who you like-the same way you can't choose being bullied, you can't choose being depressed, you can't choose committing suicide. "Of course you can choose! You can just not do it!" Don't you understand? When you're bullied to the point when there's no other way out, then there is no other options for those people. Narrow-minded people who deny other people and oppress them are the causes for those deaths. There is no ray of sunshine like Will was to Nico for those people. Instead, all they hear is, "oh my god, can't she understand that she's being ignorant and naive to think homosexual relationships and actions are okay?" "It was cool when gender used to just mean what physical body you were born with instead of a game about narcissistic self image like everything else these days." You say in the lunch line, behind the boy who doesn't think he fits in his body. The boy who would rather wear skirts than shorts. But he can't express that, because of people like you. Instead, he expresses it.
On his skin.
With a blade.
Because of those who don't understand.
Because they say his very being his wrong,
his existence is wrong,
what he's feeling is wrong,
because what he is is not beautiful, but wrong,
everything he thought he was is wrong,
he should be ashamed that he is so wrong,
and that he is wrong.
Léna wrote: "Okay seriously. What's going to happen when gay people get married? Is the world going to end? Is your child going to suddenly commit suicide? Are aliens going to arrive on earth and declare earth ..."
Maybe the boy in your example should address the serious emotional problem in himself of taking his image so seriously to the point of having to commit suicide over the fact that he can't wear a skirt??
Why does the world have to be the thing that bends over backwards?
My three year old brother was crying because he had to get the spiderman bike instead of the hello kitty one. Then he got over it. Stop taking yourselves so seriously.
Maybe the boy in your example should address the serious emotional problem in himself of taking his image so seriously to the point of having to commit suicide over the fact that he can't wear a skirt??
Why does the world have to be the thing that bends over backwards?
My three year old brother was crying because he had to get the spiderman bike instead of the hello kitty one. Then he got over it. Stop taking yourselves so seriously.
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