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[Sabrina]

Don't shame a writer who's accomplished more than you EVER will.

[Sabrina]

If you actually listened, you little hypocritical pup, to what I had to say, you'd realize these things. Now, here's a bone...go run along to your little doggie house and chew on it for awhile. :)

[[deleted user]]

Sabrina wrote: "If you actually listened, you little hypocritical pup, to what I had to say, you'd realize these things. Now, here's a bone...go run along to your little doggie house and chew on it for awhile. :)"



Why are you swearing at me?

When did I say any of those three things?


Can you please reread my points and respond to them civilly?
Are you just one of those people who hates the Bible and drags it into everything? Cause nobody else did.

[[deleted user]]

I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh and shake my head reading this discussion. It's ridiculous how angry everyone is getting over this debate, so here's my take on all of this.

1) I personally don't really care what gender a person is attracted to. I just think "okay" and then I push it to the side because I don't see any relevance it has to how I view a person, or whether or not I'd want to keep talking to them.

2) It's okay to have your own opinions. If you feel a bit awkward around people who are a different sexuality from you, whatever. But I don't think it's worth letting that get in the way of conversing with nice people. And I don't think that people should be shouting at others, if all it does is add tension and bitterness to a discussion.

And if you really want to bring the Bible into this (from someone who is Christian in belief), it says to love your neighbors as you love yourself, and "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…" (Matthew 7: 1-2).
A.k.a. just roll with it and just be kind. Just try to be as good of a person as you can be, and everything will eventually work out in the end. :D

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Anya wrote: "I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh and shake my head reading this discussion. It's ridiculous how angry everyone is getting over this debate, so here's my take on all of this.

1) I personally d..."



I don't feel awkward around gay people or treat them differently. I just think they deserve better.


Here's an explanation of what the Bible means by judging: http://makingfunofstuff.deviantart.co...
We really need to stop using that verse incorrectly. (Why are you guys so obsessed with the Bible anyway? Nobody DID bring it up but you).

And yes, Sabrina sure is being rude. I don't see any shame in civil discussion however. Only cowardice in discussing certain topics. Don't lump us all together please. It's very dishonest.

[[deleted user]]

An interesting article about how you can't be "born gay."
http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/10/why-you...

Don't respond to this particular comment unless you read it please. We need to look at more than shallow phrases about "not judging."

If you want to change anyone's hearts you need to talk and address real arguments.

"Live and let live" is the easy way. It's a cop out. You can talk about beliefs, there's no shame in that!

[[deleted user]]

A thing that happens to me a lot:

Gay person: Don't talk about the Bible!!!!!!
Me: But I wasn-"
Gay person: The Bible says not to judge!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me: Actually that verse is taken out of contex-"
Gay person: I SAID TO STOP TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE!
Me: Ok


Corresponding with the Bible or not, people do have reasons for their beliefs other than them being written in a book, you know. It's when we start talking about those original reasons that people start acting like... well, intolerant, close-minded jerks.
It's VERY ironic.

So enough about the Bible. You don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. Why are we always talking about it? o_O

[Sabrina]

I'm done. I'm too tired to argue with you. *waves* Bye, asshole!

[[deleted user]]

Sabrina wrote: "I'm done. I'm too tired to argue with you. *waves* Bye, asshole!"


This is what always happens. Your views are too shallow to explain so you all cop out. Every. Single. Time.

You don't have a leg to stand on. All you can do is swear. (or keep repeating not to "judge").

[[deleted user]]

Most close-minded, intolerant cowards I've ever met. You'd probably be in Slytherin.

Shame on you for being too lazy to stand up for your skin-deep beliefs.

[Sabrina]

No, I do not hate the bible.

I honestly didn't even know that people hated Nico until last night. It never even occurred to me...I found out about it on WattPad, having an argument about the choice/not choice of being gay.

Honestly, how can THAT be what bothers people about the entire series...? Not the inscest between the gods...not the wars or anything. But ONE little boy loving who he considered a hero. Come on, people.

[Sabrina]

And no, actually I have classes to go to in less than an hour.

[Sabrina]

When did I EVER say not to judge being in the bible?

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Sabrina wrote: "No, I do not hate the bible.

I honestly didn't even know that people hated Nico until last night. It never even occurred to me...I found out about it on WattPad, having an argument about the choic..."


Probably because gods are weird and obscure. With Nico, it's portrayed more down-to-earth and normal.

Also, it goes deeper than just having feelings (which never need to be significant unless we make them), but the beginning of a whole mentality. As if we need to over-analyze mere feelings, label ourselves after them and potentially engage in self-indulgent, perverted acts because of them.

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Sabrina wrote: "When did I EVER say not to judge being in the bible?"

Sorry, I was talking to the other person. Thanks for responding, by the way.
Oh, sorry I didn't realize. If you could come back when you're ready that would be nice.

[Sabrina]

You call sex perverted?

*sigh*

You DO realize that sex is a very natural human drive, right? or did your mommy and daddy not explain that to you when they gave you, "the talk."

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Sabrina wrote: "You call sex perverted?

*sigh*

You DO realize that sex is a very natural human drive, right? or did your mommy and daddy not explain that to you when they gave you, "the talk.""


No, but frankly if you're going to put genitals together it ought to be in very rare circumstances such as marriage between a man and woman.
Otherwise, yes, I do find it rather shallow and unnecessary. What are we, fanfiction characters?
I don't stone people for it, but I do think they deserve better.

[Sabrina]

Just because gods are weird and obscure it makes inscest okay.

Alright makes total sense. TOTAL sense.

Doesn't matter how many deaths are described in the series. None of that stuff people care about.

[Sabrina]

I'm not a very nice person. I'm either impartial or brutal and blunt. There's really no nice Sab.

[[deleted user]]

I apologize. I wasn't replying to specifically one person. I was just trying to get everyone's view into account, because I did notice previous posts mentioning things about religion. No offense meant to anyone

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Sabrina wrote: "Just because gods are weird and obscure it makes inscest okay.

Alright makes total sense. TOTAL sense.

Doesn't matter how many deaths are described in the series. None of that stuff people care a..."


Irrelevant, but interesting. Maybe some people do care. The affairs with gods were always kinda weird.

[[deleted user]]

Anya wrote: "I apologize. I wasn't replying to specifically one person. I was just trying to get everyone's view into account, because I did notice previous posts mentioning things about religion. No offense me..."

Thanks, I understand. Did you see the article about judging though?
How come nobody responds to what I'm saying and just tells me in so many words I don't have a right to talk?

[[deleted user]]

If I'm wrong, if there is an injustice caused by any of the things I believe, why wouldn't you care enough about me or the people I'm being unjust to, to try and defend the side that YOU believe is right?
Because I sincerely don't understand. Why do people want to support this mentality? It may be someone's "choice" but can't it be a shallow choice? Don't they deserve better?

[Sabrina]

You're right, I am being mean...I'm sorry.

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Sabrina wrote: "You're right, I am being mean...I'm sorry."

It's okay, I'm just really confused and I want someone from the other side to explain things to me better.

[Sabrina]

Yeah, I was just a little fired up over it at first. I actually do try to see both sides...but I really just don't like it when good writers are insulted. We actually used to have controversial religious discussions (at first, they were arguments...then they turned into discussions.) in my Myth, Lore, and Legend class. It's a public school, so as long as Mr. Buttson didn't tell us outright WHAT to believe, it's allowed to be discussed.

But for the record, while I believe homosexuality is NOT a choice, there are SOME people out there who DO say they're gay for attention. I however, believing that there is nothing wrong with being gay, do not believe in marital rights. Mostly because marriage IS originally a religious thing and I think that needs to be respected.

And I do enjoy the bible, I'm a book geek. It's actually an interesting read.

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Sabrina wrote: "Yeah, I was just a little fired up over it at first. I actually do try to see both sides...but I really just don't like it when good writers are insulted. We actually used to have controversial rel..."


Rick Riordan isn't a bad author, even if I question some aspects of his books. I'm not trying to insult him as a person/writer or even his books as wholes. :)
I read a book for school about logic, and it was saying how arguments aren't necessarily bad things. They can actually be really constructive and positive.
(They just get associated with insults and bad attitudes a lot.)

Well, okay I get that you're not religious, but when it comes to my point about marriage here's what I'm trying to say (without starting a debate about religion right now): Shouldn't sex only be in rare and sacred circumstances? For its whole true purpose (being open to the possibility life, if not necessarily creating it, AND pleasure and unity)? Why would you want to take such a huge part of it out and make it into something *only* for pleasure; purely self-indulgent? That's what I mean about finding it shallow. Why are we reducing the value?

I think this isn't just about sex, but romance in general. It has become a game and only for the most small parts (for fun, for pleasure, some cases worse than others). It all starts with the over-value of feelings, and acting on them unnecessarily or selfishly. Like in highschool when all the kids get in relationships when there's really no point.
Nobody thinks about the reason romance exists in human nature: to ease us into a serious commitment.
Too much focus goes to the means, not the ends.

It's like a world where trees are always blooming, but never giving fruit. I don't think feelings are as important as they are made out to be, whether they are for someone of the same or opposite gender. Feelings play a role in all commitments, but they can either be a starting point or NOT. We have the power to make the choices, and we need to do so with responsibility.
So I wonder if people need to be in all these relationships and why they emphasize sex so much, or even "dating" sometimes.
It comes across as kind of shallow to me; I get the same feeling as when I read fanfiction or see people shipping characters...like it's a big game. Only for fun. But never for the serious parts and I do see the fruits of this and that it's not a very good thing.

[Sabrina]

It depends. I plan on not doing that til marriage. But that's not because of religion. That's cuz I don't think it's right to risk having a kid and raising that kid in an environment with single parents or a custody agreement...but that's only cuz I'm the result of a teen pregnancy and most teen parents NEVER learn how to properly parent their children because they never learn to grow up.

I do believe in a god or some form of higher power. But I don't agree with many of the things that many religions back up. I more like to study the religions.

In my opinion, if gay marriage isn't allowed because marriage is originally a religious ceremony, then gays shouldn't be bound to the religious idea of, "No sex till marriage."

It's the choice of a person to consent to sex...unless they're a teenager. In that case, if you're a guy and a girl having sex...you're probably an idiot for it. Good luck making your children's lives miserable.

And then there's those ten year olds over in Dearborn Elementary School...don't even get me STARTED on what they've been doing.

I'm not really a fan of fanfiction, either. I do RP, though...but we either make up our own RP or use an already existing idea and don't use any of the original characters...and I don't allow sexting on my RP's. I try not to involve my characters in the excessive romance, either. And I enjoy writing...but not fanfiction.

You don't have power over your feelings...but you do have the power to oppress them. But it's wrong to oppress them if they are true feelings. Doesn't everybody deserve their idea of happiness?

[Sabrina]

Teen parents suck. My mom is an immature idiot STILL and she's in her late 30s now.

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Sabrina wrote: "Teen parents suck. My mom is an immature idiot STILL and she's in her late 30s now."


Regardless of it being someone's personal choice, is it a good choice? Just because it was a personal decision, does that mean it's automatically a good decision?
That's what I'm wondering... not whether or not people should be thrown in jail or stoned if they do make bad choices.

As for happiness... I have to say no, I disagree. Life isn't about seeking happiness, it's about being a good person.
Some things are ordered toward building us up; making us better people. Other things can make us happy but won't help us be better people.
There's nothing wrong with pleasure, but we have to make sure we're not getting it from something that doesn't deserve our good opinions.

Objects don't merely receive, but merit our approval and disproval, our reverence, our contempt.
Murder for example doesn't deserve to make people happy, does it?
Sometimes the thing that needs changing is in our own selves... not rightful perceptions of actions.


Thanks for talking to me by the way, I do appreciate it a lot.

[Fosse76]

What I find amusing is so-called Christians hiding behind religion as their excuse to be homophobic about Nico, yet have no qualms about the blasphemy of Greek Gods in the story! It just baffles the mind!

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Fosse76 wrote: "What I find amusing is so-called Christians hiding behind religion as their excuse to be homophobic about Nico, yet have no qualms about the blasphemy of Greek Gods in the story! It just baffles t..."


Allow me to copy and paste one of my recent comments:

"Corresponding with the Bible or not, people do have reasons for their beliefs other than them being written in a book. It's when we start talking about those original reasons that people start acting like... well, intolerant, close-minded jerks."

Thank you for writing off countless people without hearing them out. The world is always a better place when you only pretend to be open-minded.

(Blasphemus, really? It's fiction, not a religion. Not anymore anyway).

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Fosse76 wrote: "What I find amusing is so-called Christians hiding behind religion as their excuse to be homophobic about Nico, yet have no qualms about the blasphemy of Greek Gods in the story! It just baffles t..."


^^Please read above comments to see arguments on the topic of being gay. Nobody mentions the Bible but you.

[Kevin]

Page 100 Here we come!!!

[Blogger]

Luke wrote: "According to his Wikipedia page, Rick Riordan will have chapters written from Nico's point of view."

Yeah cause Wikipedia is always a reliable source

[Deaths coming]

true but I see it as liklely, he will probably do it like he did with percy and annabeth in tartarus, as in two different quest at the same time

[Blogger]

I hope so. Only couple more weeks left!!

[Deaths coming]

yes, sadly we australians get it a bit latter then the rest of world :(

[Blogger]

Haha...I mean that's sad

[Deaths coming]

yes it is. so what are you doing?

[Allison]

Phew...that was a pretty heated debate up there^^. I may or may not have been cheering for Brown. Just a little.

And my reply to @Fosse76: I read these so I would learn maybe a little bit more about mythology without being bored to death, thank you very much. I am 6,934,379% Christian, Mormon to be exact. Please do not make a stupid decision right now because I will get frustrated. Your comment was totally irrelevant to the topic and the discussion above...

Anyway, yes. I agree with Brown. Basically.

I don't know.

My opinion on the Nico thing though: ((And for Fosse76's sake, I will not bring religion into this, rather common sense and a teenage author's perspective. I'm nice like that.))

I think Riordan should be kinda respected for this. I mean, these books are seriously all about giving the "different" kids a chance to share the spotlight. ADHD, dyslexia, lactose intolerant, those with weird family situations, etc. Why not? Homosexual kids are out there, suffering under the pressure society has put on them.

But now, I say, why?

There are some people who say it fit Nico's character.

There are some who say it didn't.

And I agree with the latter.

Do you guys know why Nico started to become withdrawn from living beings once Bianca died? It was because they didn't seem to have a place for him. Son of Hades, son of death. I would be ashamed of myself. And then he lost the person he loved the most; his sister. It's really tragic. Nico is described as the guy who prefers the dead over the living, and it makes sense. Camp Half-Blood didn't have a cabin for Hades, right? That meant they were scared to. They didn't respect Hades because he was the god of death. And it makes perfect sense. Why respect the child if you can't respect their parent? You should, but it's hard.

But. it. did. not. fit. Nico's. character.

He prefers the dead over the living.

He hates Percy Jackson.

He hates basically everything.

So why does he like someone who caused him pain? Why the sudden respect for Percy, Nico? You used to hate this guy's guts. You wanted him to die. You wouldn't have cared if he died. And now you don't care about Annabeth, but Percy means the world to you...? What? What? I don't get it. A lot of people who actually think about these things and why authors include them don't.

I mean, I love Nico. He's awesome. He could save everyone on the Argo II without so much as a glance at the danger.

And that's why I'm defensive about this topic. It didn't fit his character. Most usually imagined him as the guy who would be like, "EEW NO I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTING CREATURES!" and not like "Yeah, dude, I like someone." And it certainly didn't fit into this series, either.

There is already a lot of romance in this series.

Why add more?

I think it was to make the fangirls happy.

It wasn't necessary. It didn't add anything to the plot, it didn't take away, yet people are acting like WWIII just started. Just some food for thought.

[Deaths coming]

Thank you for not bringing religion into this. Your point is valid and if you look back I have also made this point but I feel it fits a bit better than what your saying. Love is a weird thing that makes people do weird things. nico being withdawn I think fits more now this was added. The reason why I think people are half on half not is because rick wasen't sure he wanted to bring this into it so that is why it was sloppy. I don't think it's for fans either. if he wanted more romance he could do it a hundred more ways that is way less contriversil. it hasen't added to the story yet, but nither did percy or annabeths in the beginging. I hope you understand my points

[Maryclare]

εїз ℓїṧṧค wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."

I tottaly agree. Good for you!!!!

[Matthew]

Allison ~God's NOT dead~ wrote: "Phew...that was a pretty heated debate up there^^. I may or may not have been cheering for Brown. Just a little.

And my reply to @Fosse76: I read these so I would learn maybe a little bit more abo..."

Whew… just read through 56 comments. I have to disagree with you. Judging from fangirl reactions, a lot of them were disappointed with Nico's sexuality because of their fan-crushes. Secondly, while the idea of Nico being gay might not align with one's idea of Nico pre-HoH, that doesn't invalidate this book's take on the character. Yes, he hated Percy Jackson, but, while not reaching the adoration shown in the beginning of The Titan's Curse, the hatred has mellowed and mixed with other emotions, as he made peace with Bianca's death. His avoidance of the living likely is compounded by his sexuality—keep in mind he grew up in the 1930s. I also feel you are exaggerating his hatred for "everything." And the beginning of construction on the Hades Cabin in The Last Olympian signals the beginning of acceptance.

While there are serious problems with romance in this series, Nico isn't one of them.

[Allison]

Matthew wrote: "Allison ~God's NOT dead~ wrote: "Phew...that was a pretty heated debate up there^^. I may or may not have been cheering for Brown. Just a little.

And my reply to @Fosse76: I read these so I would ..."

Yes, I agree there are more serious problems than Nico. Such as Hazel dating at thirteen.

[Allison]

Deaths coming wrote: "Thank you for not bringing religion into this. Your point is valid and if you look back I have also made this point but I feel it fits a bit better than what your saying. Love is a weird thing that..."

Yes, I do understand yours, but my opinion is still the same. And I am also one of those very few people who doesn't like Percy/Annabeth or any of the other couples for that matter. I get a lotta hatred for that, and people call me a "hater". How am I a hater if I give valid reasons and I don't hate it or swear every single time it's mentioned? Sorry, I just need to rant--I've had a bad day today:/

[Brenna]

Brenna wrote: "I'm so disappointed! The biggest problem that I have with this move in his books is that his target audience is children. Parent's buy these books for their children because they know that they ar..."
I know that homosexuality is real and people have to deal with it on a daily basis, and its hard for them. I also realise that these books deal with other mature topics like adultery, but they don't dwell on these topics. His series are about children doing better than the parents. We all make mistakes. The demi-god children try and live better lives and make the world, that their parents have messed with, a better place for everyone. I'm still not really okay with Riordan putting a homosexual character in. I loved these books because for the most part they were a clean book series that were funny and inspiring. I feel as if his books have now been tainted with the world. Children lose their innocence so young now with the horrible things that happen in the world. Can we not let them enjoy a pure world a little while longer with the books they read?

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Allison ~God's NOT dead~ wrote: "Deaths coming wrote: "Thank you for not bringing religion into this. Your point is valid and if you look back I have also made this point but I feel it fits a bit better than what your saying. Love..."


I feel you. People who can't tolerate negative opinions (especially who claim to be open-minded) are getting old fast.

[Aeia]

I don't know why it takes me months to say this but I think the issue "Nico's homosexuality in a children's book" is not really a bad idea. He's a good character in this good book. A good book opens our mind and slowly cast-off ignorance. Sometimes even innocence. Besides, no one can stay innocent and so as back out growing up.

I think whatever kids' understanding about Nico's sexuality is not RR's field of concern or - let me use another word- responsibility, anymore. (So as in religion.) I think that's already the parents business. Parents should be PARENTS. Whatever the odds, if they care about and love their kids, they should be there to make them understand. Because if they don't, I think kids will end up like the lonely, confuse, no-proper-parents-around-while-his-confuse Nico we used to know.

[Snowdrop, Daughter of Apollo]

People, it's not a big deal.
Nico is my favorite book character and all, but I'm not biased that 'he's the best' or anything, so don't call me out on that.
You guys are taking this the wrong way. You should be proud (if you live in a country that allows gay relationships and marriage) that there is diversity in such well loved books like this series. What Ricky is trying to do is to get you read his books, not shun them because you think he is disgusting. I know, a lot of his fagirls fainted when they read THE CHAPTER, but stay cool about it. It's not like he's a real person. He's a book character, for goodness sakes! He's not your brother or father or cousin or uncle or nephew or son, so don't worry.
So, to summarize, http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/u....
BTW, the guy in the picture is John Barrowman, an openly gay actor, who plays Captain Jack Harkness, a man who flirts with anything and everything alive.
And he's still funny.