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[Sarah]

Bae ɦɛʀօռɖǟʟɛ ֆɦǟա {ɨ'ɖ ʀǟȶɦɛʀ աǟʟȶʐ ȶɦǟռ ʝʊֆȶ աǟʟӄ ȶɦʀօʊɢɦ ȶɦɛ ʄօʀɛֆȶ} wrote: "That's the thing though, why does mentioning someone being gay suddenly become a mature topic? It's the same as mentioning a boy liking a girl, it's exactly the same thing. There's nothing about be..."

I agree

[Sarah]

Unbroken Silence wrote: "My friend claims to be "The No. 1 PJO/HOO fan", but refuses to read HOH after I told her about Nico.
Me: ...

A few people have mentioned that it was "inappropriate" for Rick to do this in a child..."

I agree, I think it's so sad that Nico has to hate himself, as if there were something he could have done, as if it was something terrible. :(

[anya]

I did not see this coming, sure Nico is a bit secluded ,shady, a bit creepy and a little strange, but I didn't think that would lead to this. It took me by surprise.This does not effect my feelings for the series even a bit. I'm too attached, I'm in too deep! It's well written, humorous, and I fell in love with the characters. Even though this took me by surprise, it's not like I'm going to hate Nico. It's like if a friend told you, you would just have to accept it. Of course, this is my opinion and yours may be different, I have had my say in the matter.

[anya]

Ariel wrote: "This totally took me by surprise at first, but when I thought about it I thought I remembered a part in a previous book where I thought he might be gay for a second, then quickly dismissed it. I co..."

It may have been slightly foreshadowed, even if we didn't notice it. I don't think RR would just decide on a whim to do this. I don't think he would just be writing the story and say 'you know what I'm gonna make Nico gay', change up some things and make it happen.He may have planned it, He may not have, I dunno. Anyone else got a clue?

[Kevin]

Anya wrote: "Anyone else got a clue? ..."

Not to be rude or anything but you are the 3937th post, it has been stated before.

Just read/skim through the 79 pages to get the jist of what everyone is saying.

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Sarah wrote: "Unbroken Silence wrote: "My friend claims to be "The No. 1 PJO/HOO fan", but refuses to read HOH after I told her about Nico.
Me: ...

A few people have mentioned that it was "inappropriate" for R..."

It actually came off as really immature to me... "I have to hide out in hell because I'm too wimpy and baby-ish to face my overly politically correct friends who I'm being paranoid about!"
We're supposed to feel sorry for that loser? At most it was contrived propaganda. I don't see how that corniness could produce any emotions whatsoever from readers, but I guess there are suckers in every fandom...
Nobody has to "hate themself" and act like that. I don't have respect for that! Nor should you guys. What a baby...

I think I'll stick to Harry Potter that teaches you to stand up for yourself and be brave about things whether everyone (cough) "hates" (cough) you or not, instead of being a whiny brat because of the possibility that people might (keyword: MIGHT) have different opinions than you. Gosh.

I'd like to see what Nico would have to say in a rational argument about gay behavior. That would be fun, but I doubt he'd ever get that deep.
Just throw the old "everyone hates me" (*cough* Nancy Oleson *cough*) out there and you're automatically right these days.

You at least have to admit how cheap that was, come on. Rick Riordan needs to grow up.

[Kevin]

Lol Brown it's like you're a whole different person.

The brown from a couple weeks(months) back is different from this current brown.

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Kevin wrote: "Lol Brown it's like you're a whole different person.

The brown from a couple weeks(months) back is different from this current brown."

Whataya mean?

[Kevin]

It's like you are more aggressive.

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Kevin wrote: "It's like you are more aggressive."

Sorry, it's probably because I'm really mad at all my library books right now, and I've been ranting a lot lately. XD

[Unbroken Silence]

Brown wrote: "Hope none of you commit suicide or go hide in the Underworld for years and years because you can't face people who might have different opinions than you! "

What's especially funny about this post is that there are HUNDREDS of people who do commit suicide because of their feelings, and you dismissing it as not being able to face people with different opinions isn't going to help.

I don't know where you come from, where everyone is so accepting and everyone is able to stand up to society and their bullies, but it seems like a nice place. However, most places aren't like this. In Dubai, for example, you could STILL be put in prison for holding hands with another person of the same gender.

Consider what time period Nico comes from. Back then, he would almost certainly have served a sentence in prison simply for being gay. If you were raised in that period, of course you would be afraid of how you feel!

Brown wrote: and if gay is just supposed to mean that he "had a crush" on Percy, then we're in trouble. What the heck is a crush? Feelings? What a stupid thing to base your sexual orientation on

HAHAHAHAHA. That's the thing - your sexual orientation IS your feelings. Some people's sexual orientation fluctuates, for some people it doesn't. Either way, it is how you feel. I'm not too sure if you are aware of how contradictory what you wrote is, if you meant something different please tell me.

Brown wrote: "It actually came off as really immature to me... "I have to hide out in hell because I'm too wimpy and baby-ish to face my overly politically correct friends who I'm being paranoid about!"

Of course, because the thousands of people across the world who are too scared to tell others how they feel because of the pressures of society and the propaganda of religion are immature. Yes.

Brown wrote: We're supposed to feel sorry for that loser? At most it was contrived propaganda. I don't see how that corniness could produce any emotions whatsoever from readers, but I guess there are suckers in every fandom...
Nobody has to "hate themself" and act like that. I don't have respect for that! Nor should you guys. What a baby...
Okay, so maybe it was corny, but some of Rick's fanbase will be able to empathise with Nico. "Propaganda"? You're saying Rick is trying to put across his political opinion via books aimed at 8-14 year olds?

Up until this post, many of your arguments were fairly valid. "Nobody has to "hate themself", you claim. No, nobody does, but many people do. The world still has a long way to go until homosexuality is accepted.

I think I'll stick to Harry Potter that teaches you to stand up for yourself and be brave about things whether everyone (cough) "hates" (cough) you or not, instead of being a whiny brat because of the possibility that people might (keyword: MIGHT) have different opinions than you. Gosh. "

Yes, because standing up against an evil wizard who wishes to take over the world and ignoring people who are idiotic enough to believe propaganda when you know you are right is so much better than finding it difficult to accept your feelings in a world where you could be killed for them.

Sorry how much of a rant that came across as :/ I just reread Maurice, Mockingjay and Divergent and the unfairness of one and crappy endings of the others made me angry. Sorry.

[Kevin]

Unbroken Silence wrote: "Of course, because the thousands of people across the world who are too scared to tell others how they feel because of the pressures of society and the propaganda of religion are immature...."

So Religion is the only one with a propaganda? What about current society?

Also not to be rude or anything but did you give this book 5 Stars because of the Nico piece?

I've heard some people gave this book 5 Stars because Nico is supposedly gay and they want to show support.

[Unbroken Silence]

@Kevin I did say the pressures of society. I feel that a society which was once based on religion and does still have much of the bigotry of religion is oppressing us, but that is a rant for another time XD

And no, anyone who did that would just render their other 5*s invalid. Besides, what's the point in "showing support" for a fictional character? You're just supporting the author. I find it better to show support in my crazy fangirling with my friends.

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Unbroken Silence wrote: "Brown wrote: "Hope none of you commit suicide or go hide in the Underworld for years and years because you can't face people who might have different opinions than you! "

What's especially funny a..."

Have you ever read fanfiction? Having character commit suicide/be depressed because of "bullies" is the classic most over-used, cheap, easy way to get sympathy from readers. It's the first thing every teenage girl thinks of.

Yes, I darn well am saying he was trying to put across his political agenda or whatever he wants to call it. Otherwise he would've just made the character gay, not milk it in a half-baked attempt to make people feel guilty for disagreeing with it.

Look, I feel like punching my brother in the face, that doesn't make it right. That doesn't mean I have to label myself after that feeling. That doesn't mean I'm inevitably going to have to act on them or bust. That's what's so immature about the whole gay agenda.
Even the "straight" couples were crappy in this story. He just doesn't get it. Everything is about over-analyzing selfish feelings and attractions. That line about Piper's eyes? Yeah. Enough said.
Feeling aren't wrong but he blows them out of proportion. Crushes aren't important or even noteworthy. Feelings change every day.

Yet he makes every teenager in his book pair up the second they decide they like someone's eyes. And there's never even a reason for it, considering they're not even going to get married or anything. It's just a fun little game about who we decide we have the biggest "crush" on at the moment and giving them permission to keep holding our hand and giving us kisses.

Shouldn't relationships be with people you're seriously sure you want to be committed to? Someone that you have goals with other than making out or acting pukey with?

That said, why is there a need to even make up a game about sexual orientations? What a joke. The only parts of a relationship left in gay "marriage" are the selfish, pukey bits that were the problem in the first place.

The bottom line, I think, is that I always felt like this about ALL the "love" in Rick Riordan's books. It just misses the point so badly. The fact that he even bothers to pair up teenagers, let alone every single one. And Nico is the cherry on top of the whole clown show.
It's shallow, everything about it. That's the main way I can describe it.

[Kevin]

Unbroken Silence wrote: "Besides, what's the point in "showing support" for a fictional character? You're just supporting the author. ..."

No. You're supporting what he is doing and his supposed "indoctrination of the gay propaganda to children"

[Unbroken Silence]

@Brown I actually agree with virtually everything you just said.

That said, why is there a need to even make up a game about sexual orientations? What a joke. The only parts of a relationship left in gay "marriage" are the selfish, pukey bits that were the problem in the first place.
I don't know what you meant here, though.

Kevin wrote: "Unbroken Silence wrote: "Besides, what's the point in "showing support" for a fictional character? You're just supporting the author. ..."

No. You're supporting what he is doing and his supposed "..."

Yes, but you're still supporting the author and his actions, not the character.

[Kevin]

Unbroken Silence wrote: "Yes, but you're still supporting the author and his actions, not the character..."

I agreed with you...

[Unbroken Silence]

Kevin wrote: "Unbroken Silence wrote: "Yes, but you're still supporting the author and his actions, not the character..."

I agreed with you..."

Oh sorry, I must have misread it.

[Unbroken Silence]

Kevin wrote: "Unbroken Silence wrote: "Yes, but you're still supporting the author and his actions, not the character..."

I agreed with you..."

Oh sorry, I must have misread it.

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Unbroken Silence wrote: "@Brown I actually agree with virtually everything you just said.

That said, why is there a need to even make up a game about sexual orientations? What a joke. The only parts of a relationship left..."

I mean it like this: relationships are NOT about kissing and holding hands (...or sex). They're about possibly having a family with that person. Not just being committed to hold each others hands! (...or having sex). Committed to having a family. Otherwise there is no point. There's nothing wrong with the mushy stuff, but Rick Riordan makes it the only focus, and that's what the whole gay agenda is about too. It's like real life fanfiction: a big fantasy game that puts too much emphasis on blowing feelings out of proportion, not having real goals to have a family. It misses the point of what relationships are supposed to be about. It's not just a fun romantic game based solely on what you're selfishly "attracted to" and how you feel. Feelings are something that should only lead to a commitment if you're seriously sure it's a good choice, not just because you feel like you want to. You don't have to act on feelings.

[Matthew]

Brown wrote: "Unbroken Silence wrote: "@Brown I actually agree with virtually everything you just said.

That said, why is there a need to even make up a game about sexual orientations? What a joke. The only par..."

There are plenty of married couples that have no children and no desire to do so, and the push for the right to adopt is a major part of the struggle for LGBT+ rights. Many childless relationships are still built on feelings much deeper than physical attraction, and involve large degrees of trust and emotional dependence to make both partners better people.

Regarding relationships in The Heroes of Olympus, they are often built on trust in each other in life-and-death circumstances, under conditions in which many would crack under pressure. While I agree that the romance is sometimes overdone in the series, and the demigods aren't the best romantic role models for readers, as it is highly unlikely the reader will be engaged in such extraordinary circumstances or likely form as meaningful bond with their high school crush, the depiction of said relationships, while not necessarily accurate in terms of real-life teenagers, are realistic in the context of their story.

[Kevin]

This "love" thing is stupid. You know that back in the day, the Gods usually raped someone until they liked it, right?

Rick does watered down versions that got people all teary eyed.

Also Matthew, what does adopting kids have to do with this? And Brown, you can be with someone without kids.

Kids =\= The World. We are already overpopulated as it is.

When the Alien Over Lords take over, they will drastically reduce the population..... they are already hard at work, releasing chemicals into your water systems that slowly make men and women more impotent....

#EXPECT THEM

[Matthew]

Kevin wrote: "This "love" thing is stupid. You know that back in the day, the Gods usually raped someone until they liked it, right?

Rick does watered down versions that got people all teary eyed.

Also Matthew..."

Of course the gods' behavior in the original myths is reprehensible, and the ancient Greeks were extremely sexist, to the point of Aristotle holding that women were a biological error. The point with the adoption was Brown talking about the "gay agenda" overemphasizing "the mushy stuff" at the expense of wanting a family.

And what do you mean "when" they take over? THEY ALREADY HAVE! ;)

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Matthew wrote: "Brown wrote: "Unbroken Silence wrote: "@Brown I actually agree with virtually everything you just said.

That said, why is there a need to even make up a game about sexual orientations? What a joke..."

Yes, some non-gay couples can't have kids either. But that's a tragedy. It's also a tragedy to deny a child their right to having a mother AND father. Even if they don't mean to be, that in itself is selfish too.

Back to the book though, "realistic in the context of their story" is pushing it... Leo met Calypso and was in love with her after like, 3 days. Piper and Jason were so contrived it hurt. Frank and Hazel barely have personalities let alone know each other. Even in the Mark of Athena, Percy admits he still doesn't really "get" Annabeth. Let's just admit these relationships were corny, because they really were.

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Matthew wrote: "Kevin wrote: "This "love" thing is stupid. You know that back in the day, the Gods usually raped someone until they liked it, right?

Rick does watered down versions that got people all teary eyed...."

Brown wrote: "Matthew wrote: "Brown wrote: "Unbroken Silence wrote: "@Brown I actually agree with virtually everything you just said.

That said, why is there a need to even make up a game about sexual orientati..."

It's at the point where you say, "relationships are still built on feelings much deeper than physical attraction," that I stop understanding what you mean.

Isn't that just friendship?
What is romantic love?

To be attracted to each other?
I don't think you're saying something as shallow as that.

To "always be there for each other" and go on epic adventures together?
Apparently friends can do that too.

I wouldn't say it's merely deeply understanding each other either. If you have siblings you'd see there's nothing necessarily romantic about that.

There really is only one point in love being romantic as opposed to regular brotherly love. And yes, that's to consider having a family with that person.

Marriage is just a nice thing we have for fun? It's just a way of giving someone permission to show physical displays of affection they otherwise wouldn't?

Someone once told me, "if my boyfriend was a woman I wouldn't love him any less." When did loving someone less mean not having sex with them???

If that's truly "not what it's about," then what is the problem with living together as friends? It's the over-value of sex and physical displays of affection that rightly turn people off. And that's always what the fight was about, I thought.

Go ahead and fight for the right to share bank accounts for its own sake, not under the package of "romance."

[Siham]

Rick Riordan stated that he didn't want make Nico di Angelo 'GAY' but he only wanted to express the reason why Nico was hiding behind the death instead of the living was only because of Percy. To get to the point Nico kind of hold grudge for the death of his sister Bianca. Other wise the house of hades was amazing!!!!!!!!!!.

[Siham]

Rick Riordan stated that he didn't want make Nico di Angelo 'GAY' but he only wanted to express the reason why Nico was hiding behind the death instead of the living was only because of Percy. To get to the point Nico kind of hold grudge for the death of his sister Bianca. Other wise the house of hades was amazing!!!!!!!!!!.

[Matthew]

Brown wrote: Yes, some non-gay couples can't have kids either. But that's a tragedy. It's also a tragedy to deny a child their right to having a mother AND father. Even if…

That said, why is there a need to even make up a game about sexual orientati..."

Actually, numerous studies show children grow up just as well with a pair of same-sex parents as they do opposite-sex parents, all other conditions being equal. And as Kevin mentioned, the world is already overpopulated at 7 billion and counting, so more procreation isn't exactly what the human race needs.

Backtracking on my position slightly, I'll now admit that romance isn't Riordan's strong suit, but I feel you are exaggerating the artificiality of the relationships (although there is a strong basis in truth). Time doesn't function normally on Ogygia, so it could have been much longer. Jason + Piper is rather contrived, especially in The Lost Hero, but their was presumably a lot of off-page development before The Mark of Athena. The same applies for Hazel and Frank before their introduction, and for them there were already good friends. As for Percabeth, it was never an idyllic relationship even in the best of times, and Percy can sometimes be romantically clueless by other characters' admission. There is also the point I made that life-or-death situations tend to bring out both the best and the worst in people, and thus the extraordinary circumstances I mentioned earlier. The trust between the members of the Seven from all the potentially lethal experiences they survived, while not all-defining (or else we'd have a love octagon when you add Nico), it does provide at least one element for a budding relationship.

As for romantic love, I'll also concede to you there that love itself is a slippery thing to pin down, and what is defined as love has been debated by philosophers at least since Plato's time (I really need to read the Symposium…). For example, the noun φιλος (philos) in ancient Greek can be either a very close friend or a loved one like a family member or a romantic loved one, and is very similar to the verb to love in said language. And the type of love known as Eros cannot be denied to be a part of the equation. In hindsight, I realize that in my previous posts that I insinuated that sexual love played no part at all. Sex is part of the human condition, and most romantic relationships have sexual attraction at least, even if it stays chaste.

Oh, and the joint banking accounts that come with marriage aren't the only reason same-sex couples are pushing for the right to marry; hospital visitation rights is another biggie. The reason this fight at the ballot box and in the courts is going on rather than for a union that is marriage in all but name is that, for better or worse, the word "marriage" has significant connotations in our society that don't quite hammer home socially unless you're allowed use the word.

Just some food for thought. I enjoy your responses, Brown, as they intellectually stimulate me to question my assumptions and beliefs. I hope my post provides some food for thought as well.

[Ariel]

Thumbs up Matthew!

[Kevin]

Matthew wrote: "Jason + Piper is rather contrived... but their was presumably a lot of off-page development before The Mark of Athena..."

Hera wiped their memories and made them think they loved each other.

From the get go this series was spiraling downwards, I only stuck because at the time, I would have read anything from Rick but the writing, story, plot and characters interaction have all gone down hill.

People defend J+P to the death... not remembering(or choosing to forget) that it was contrived as hell.


Matthew wrote:"Oh, and the joint banking accounts that come with marriage aren't the only reason same-sex couples are pushing for the right to marry..."

All of this can be fixed easily

Have two forms of marriages, one controlled by the church and one by the government.
The Gov will give you all your tax breaks or what not.

I could understand why the Gov might not want to give gays the tax break though.
They can open themselves up to MAJOR FRAUD.

Let's say I "marry" a friend, I would get so many benefits and tax cuts and we would just be living like bros. Just live life normal... of course you will have to keep gfs on the "quiet".

[Alyssa]

Morganofthesea wrote: "But either way, I applaud Mr. Riordan for taking such a risk and helping humanize gay people to a new generation and giving miserable and confused gay kids someone to relate and look up to :)

I ha..."
i don't like that rick made nico gay, it didn't sound like he planned on making nico gay in the titans curse, it looked like nico liked annebeth because he said"i am not doing it for you percy, i am doing it for annebeth."it also sounded forsed. plus i don't think being gay is a good thing to put into kids heads.1)girls don't like cute guys, 2) you can't have kids unless you adopt, 3) it isn't right, not natural.i kind of liked nico, but knowing that he is gay make me want to puke when i think about it. until he said he was gay, he showed no sighs of being gay. he was just a regular Hades kid, likes to be alone and is very shy. other than this one part, i like all of rick's book very much. it was my favorite series ever! thats saying a lot considering i don't like reading, and i finished the series in a week.both series.but the part with nico made me think if i really want to read the last book. i wouldn't read it, but i want to know want happens to bad.

[Juneiebug42]

Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."

Honestly I don't judge, and your opinion is your opinion, but c'mon! Every person has the right to be who they are, even in books. I believe people love people, not genders. This is my opinion, and I believe that people whom are gay/lesbian have the right to be treated equally!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Juneiebug42 wrote: "Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."

All I hear is meaninglessness equivalent to "believe in your dreams" when you defend gay "rights" that way.

Be a little deeper than that. I don't think anyone is saying not to "treat people equally."
In the end it's about wanting what's best for them and it always was.

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Matthew wrote: "Brown wrote: Yes, some non-gay couples can't have kids either. But that's a tragedy. It's also a tragedy to deny a child their right to having a mother AND father. Even if…

That said, why is there..."

I can at least tell you what I know love isn't, and that's a magical feeling that forces you to be with someone.
I'm not saying feelings can't exist, but that's not the part that is love.

Love in general is to will the good of the beloved.
Romantic love is the same with the addition of a commitment you must also will the good of.

I also believe that more importantly we have free will and a responsibility to make good choices.

Nobody deserves to be told they have to be with anyone just because they "feel" like it whether they be a boy and a boy, a 50 year old and a teen, etc. We are told to make everything romantic when it doesn't have to be and it's ridiculous.

I've never believed that there are as many "bullies" out there as people exaggerate about either, but perhaps sometimes this is a case of not knowing how to react to something that rightly turns people off (not that I am in any way condoning their actions).
We are being told to make sex and romance so much of a priority these days, and honestly much "straight" romance has always been abused too.

This series has always been a shining example of that and how crappy some "romance" can be.


(As for your "studies" about parents of the same gender and their children: I'm a girl and I would just like to say that having two dads and no mom would be really awkward for a lot of reasons. :/ I'm sure there are plenty of girls without moms who turn out alright, but ask them if they didn't still WISH they had a mom. For boys it's probably the same for a lot of reasons too. Just really think about it, don't just look at flattering studies that came from who knows what biased propaganda. Families came into nature the way they are for a reason. Anything less is a tragedy. And putting them in that situation just because of a made up game about "being in love" is really wrong).

[Kevin]

Brown wrote: "believe in your dreams"..."

Dattebayo

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I am never taking a break from this thread again. I just had to wade through fifteen pages.
So...
Hi, I'm back?

[Alyssa]

Juneiebug42 wrote: "Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."

this has nothing to do with equality, it has to do with that it is not natural and should not be put in to the minds of 12 yr. olds.every one should be equal, everyone is equal nowadays but it is not a good thing to have kids reading. you are entitled to your opinion, but i say there should not be gay stuff in the books kids read. just so you all know, being gay is not an identity it is a label, so if your looking for who you are like lots of people are just before warned that it is a label not an identity.

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H99 wrote: "You think Greek gods being unfaithful to their unfaithful spouses and having loads of children is natural? There are plenty of other "bad" things in this series, but no one complains about those..."

Interesting, but irrelevant.

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Alyssa wrote: "Juneiebug42 wrote: "Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This i..."

Well said. Your "sexual orientation" is NOT your identity. That goes for so-called "straight" people too (though I think most people call themselves that out of stupidity).
There is NO reason to be thinking about and labeling yourself after something like that. Ever.


Free will is enough, guys. There is nothing else that matters. Your feelings are such a small fickle thing, and only a small factor of love. Not an ends!

Your race, your gender, your age are things you can't help. Over-analyzing/prioritizing sex is something you can indeed help. And that, is what turns people off. Not because they're merely afraid of people being "different."

Do I believe gay people are "capable of the same kind of love as 'straight' couples?"
No. I don't even believe in the kind of love that you're talking about if you mean a magical feeling that forces people to be together.

And if "straight" people are getting in relationships just to goof around to kiss and feel good, but not have any real goals like the dumb teenagers in this book, that's just as pointless.

Let's stop trying to turn real life into a fanfiction.
We have three things:

1. free will
2. a responsibility to make good choices
3. feelings that change, that come and go

We have to think about all of those things and the last one is probably the least significant.

You are NOT helping people to tell them they have to be one thing forever. Nobody deserves to believe they have a "sexual orientation" that has to dictate anything. THAT is what really puts them in a box and forces them to "hide part of themself away."

It's time to step up and admit to ourselves that this is all nonsense. Enough putting our "orientations" in our website bios like the fashionable new trend it is.
Kids don't need to think about that, nor does anybody. When we stop putting body parts together that aren't even made to work that way, maybe we can realize where our priorities lie.

You're not talking about having sex? Good. Then you're not talking about a romantic relationship. Because there's no magical mysterious "feeling" that in itself means anything.

Nico isn't gay.
Kids on Tumblr aren't gay.
The other characters aren't straight.
We're just ourselves. Remember: FREE WILL

[Alyssa]

H99 wrote: "You think Greek gods being unfaithful to their unfaithful spouses and having loads of children is natural? There are plenty of other "bad" things in this series, but no one complains about those..."

it is different, Greek gods are a religion, being gay is not a religion, it is a choice.the stuff in the book is fake, but saying stuff about being gay is not in the book, it is a real threat. one day everyone will be gay, and when that day comes then there will be no more children to adopt then there will be no more natural generations of children, only scientific things that were created by scientists.being gay is not some thing to support, it is something to fight. a person my mom meant is gay, but she has started to become ungay. the only reason she was gay in the first place was because a guy hurt her. even gay people some times don't think being gay is a good thing.

[Kevin]

H99 wrote: "What? Everyone will be gay? Where are you getting that from?"

Meh probably from current society, it is currently rewarding those who gay than those who aren't.

A struggling Author? Just "come out" the closet and your books will sell millions.
An Actress? "Come out" the closet get mentioned everywhere.
Like to talk? "Come out", get your own talk show. Etc etc

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H99 wrote: "Coming out is a big deal now because it's unusual. People assume everyone is straight unless told otherwise. Hopefully, in the future, saying that you're gay, or any other orientation, will be as b..."

Or maybe we should stop focusing on it all together. Nobody needs to know how you feel about sex. "Gay" or "straight."

[Alyssa]

H99 wrote: "What? Everyone will be gay? Where are you getting that from?"

every day more people turn gay and accept it, it is only a matter of time

[Kevin]

Alyssa wrote: "every day more people turn gay and accept it, it is only a matter of time"

Some do it because they were rejected by the opposite sex, meh.

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Kevin wrote: "Alyssa wrote: "every day more people turn gay and accept it, it is only a matter of time"

Some do it because they were rejected by the opposite sex, meh."

Are you all determined only to respond to the easiest comments? This is why we never get anywhere.

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H99 wrote: "Brown wrote: "H99 wrote: "Coming out is a big deal now because it's unusual. People assume everyone is straight unless told otherwise. Hopefully, in the future, saying that you're gay, or any other..."

Why should having a husband or boyfriend mean you're thinking or care about your sexual orientation?
Is it all about sex? That shouldn't dictate anything.

It's a made up game. How about, just have sex when you're married and stop obsessing over it otherwise.

If we weren't over-obsessed to the point of being such perverts, "being gay" wouldn't even exist. Which it did not when you look at events in history in CONTEXT and despite the biased exaggerations and utter lies from those who claim it did. (same with the lie that it's "common in animals." I mean, at least read the wiki page on it guys. come on now. A rare species of worm? -_- and they don't even do it for the same reasons humans would.)

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Also, the studies someone mentioned before about kids growing up with parents of the same gender are just as pointless. Many of those studies were very one-sidedly conducted and biased.

There are (at least) equally as many studies that say the opposite.

[cindy]

hoLY you have one of the most pretentious views of love that I have ever heard. I refrained on commenting before but now it's seriously getting preachy. Sadly, I can't address everything at the moment simply because I don't want to sift through all the pages. But I will try to discuss with you in a productive manner if that's what you seem to crave.

First of all, did you know that sexual orientation =/= sex? That's why there are asexuals. (And even aromantics). Newsflash alert. Also just because someone labels themselves something doesn't automatically mean they're hungry for sex.

Second of all, people can label themselves WHATEVER they want!!!! If they want to stay free of labels, THATS FINE!!!! If they want to label themselves, THATS FINE!!! What you SHOULDN'T do is tell other people what to label themselves!!!!
Ironically you call it ~free will~ but have you considered that some people WANT to label themselves or be addressed by a certain pronouns or label? For some, it makes them more comfortable, and if they ask to be addressed a certain way or known as a certain ____, you should respect that.

Third of all, if people want to have sex, instead of turning your nose down at them, let them have sex. It's not your business. Also, I'm pretty sure that 99% of people know that sex =/= love. And if someone wants to have sex before marriage, that is THEIR decision to make. Obviously, it would be better if they were protected and knew the consequences of their behavior and were educated.

Fourth of all, if you love someone and want to have sex with them, it doesn't mean you only love them for sex. Yes, there are some people who do think like that but to generalize it all is a fallacy. In the end, having sex does not necessarily invalidate their feelings. Also, vice versa is true. There are people who have lots of meaningless sex, but who cares? It's their life.

Fifth of all, I'm pretty sure that in every single type of relationship, whether it is heterosexual, homosexual, etc, it was not based on sex. Which brings me to my next point. Though I do agree with you that the love in HoH is dumbed down and isn't reflective of reality, just because Nico used to have a crush on Percy, crush =/= love =/= sex.

Sixth of all, actually, homosexuality / bisexuality IS natural and common in nature. For example, there are giraffes, which I'm pretty sure you've heard of and aren't some super unknown creature. Curious? Want to know more?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V4WY... Hopefully you won't be too terrified. And you get the fabulous John Green.

Seventh of all, the fact that there are people who aren't straight or cis isn't because society is trying force everyone to put romantic labels on everything, or people are being gay or whatever because they "feel like it". (And if they do, let them do it. WHO CARES. IT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO!!!!!!) Have you ever considered the fact that maybe they genuinely might care for someone else, without even wanting to bang them? And if they do want have sex with someone, I say for them millionth time, WHO CARES?? (As long as it's consensual).

Eighth of all, I disagree with you on the fact that romantic love should only be a thing if you're willing to start a family with them. There are women who are sterile who definitely can love.

However, I agree with you that sexual orientation =/= identity. And I do think love is unselfish, but I don't agree with how you're telling people that what they have isn't real love. First of all, are you one of those in the relationship you are judging? No? Then you can silently judge but not outwardly condescend on them. Yes, love is a commitment and many people don't understand that and use the word love too lightly. But, if it isn't true love, let them find out for themselves instead of shitting all over them and trying to invalidate their feelings. It's a learning process.

TL;DR it's their decision to make and no one needs someone trying to tell them what "true love" is or someone else trying to shove their own views of love and apparently, their distaste of other peoples' love or like or crush or sex down other peoples' throat. Obviously, you are very passionate about this issue, which is fine!!! I respect that!! Just don't go around telling people that they're dirty or perverts or what they are feelings is artificial and wrong. It's not your life.

And if you reply by telling me that I'm too naive or young to understand or I've been brainwashed by society or something like that, I....I'm just soo done.

I'm pretty sure there are more stuff you have said, but my fingers are exhausted and I need to study for a stupid test.

Sorry if this came off passive aggressive or aggressive or anything. I do respect your view but I just disagree with some of your points. Lol. I'm also really tired and cranky atm. Hopefully this will spark some discussion that you seem to want. Here ya go.

and again, I come here when I'm procrastinating studying. oops #sorrynotsorry

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Cecerose wrote: "hoLY you have one of the most pretentious views of love that I have ever heard. I refrained on commenting before but now it's seriously getting preachy. Sadly, I can't address everything at the mom..."

Yes, some women are sterile, but here is the whole point: That is a tragedy! Not something you seek out on purpose.
However having sex (or as I should really say, "trying" to have sex) when you are gay is never ordered toward creation, thus making it always only for the selfish reasons.

That is not something anyone needs to do! I'm not physically forcing anyone not to. I just hope they know that they deserve so much more than that. And I will try to spread that message as hard as I can.

Giraffes engage in homosexual *behavior*, but for completely different reasons than humans, such as dominance. They also drink pee.

You're main point seems to be mainly that I don't have a right to tell people what to do.
I'm not right now. Or should I say, I CAN not, right now if I wanted. I'm merely discussing a viewpoint on a goodreads forum.

COMPLETELY independent from people's personal decisions, do you believe this choice is always automatically good, just because it is personal?

There is no such thing as a feeling that in itself forces people to be "with" each other. That part is a choice that you make with your free will. So I will never fall for that argument about "what if they love each other and it's not about sex?"

That is called FRIENDSHIP, unless you CHOOSE to make it something more. Nobody HAS to make that CHOICE, ever.

That said, this argument really is about sex in the end. Nobody ever had a problem with anything else: just the turning everything romantic/sexual.

It turns sex into something just for pleasure, when it should be for two things:
1.pleasure/closeness
2. being open to life

The absence of either is a tragedy, and not something to seek out.
With the absence of the first, we get things like rape.
It is just as bad when you make it ONLY about pleasure.

If it WERE only about pleasure, would you be prepared to use that argument to defend incest, porn, sex with animals, etc? Why would or wouldn't you draw the line at any of those, but not sodomy?

And furthermore, if it is only about pleasure, why do you fight for it so desperately? Is it because deep down we see it IS about more than that? Something that certain types of relationships can only mock and pervert? What is that thing?
It is the giving of your total self, which you can only fully do by being open to new life. While not the ONLY point of sex, it is a HUGE part of it (the real willingness to create life together).

Nobody HAS to have sex. Sometimes there is no reason for it. Making it into so much of a priority that we pretend body parts fit together that can't is called making it too much of a priority. It makes us slaves to our own passions. It is what truly puts us in a box, just as much as believing we should just be able to look at porn because we were "born" to like it.

Nobody deserves to be lied to and told that!

The gay agenda is one that tries to ride the coat tails of other revolutions: freedom from slavery, women's rights. It has to be looked at for what it really is. It's history is quite different than how it is portrayed by its many biased advocates.

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Cecerose wrote: "hoLY you have one of the most pretentious views of love that I have ever heard. I refrained on commenting before but now it's seriously getting preachy. Sadly, I can't address everything at the mom..."

Thank you for talking to me, by the way.
Don't worry, we're probably like the same age anyway.

I hate when people turn discussions into a big thing about why you don't have the right to be talking about something, rather than talking about that thing. I'm glad you're not like that. How about none of us do that? xP

I have a logic book I'm fond of that says arguing is good. I won't get offended if you don't.