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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
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Apr 04, 2014 12:07PM
That doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Yes, all those things are horrible, and people are working to stop them too, but the last thing you should do is give up. Speaking your mind about what you feel is right should never be disregarded.
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Ariel wrote: "Speaking your mind about what you feel is right should never be disregarded..."That is true but you don't use lies and deceit to do it,do you?
Kevin wrote: "Julie wrote: "The lack of empathy and trying to turn this into something ugly is depressing..."I see a lot of people are using this as an excuse to "vent" both pro and against sides are doing it...."
I guess you don't read the news much. Gays are being attacked and killed in places like Russia, Uganda, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. The governor of Mississippi just signed a bill into law that allows discrimination against gays on the basis of one's religious beliefs. Gays and lesbians can denied employment and housing in 29 states on the basis of sexual orientation. Marriage equality is still illegal in the majority of US states as well.
Please tell me that gays have it any better than any other minority.
David wrote: "I guess you don't read the news much..."I do read the news but my comment was talking about the "US" and how they go about it. They are attacked in Africa, Asia, etc yes, but do you see that level of violence in the US? No.
The Russian issue, last I heard it was the people(public) over there that wanted the laws put in place(the country's birth rate is on the decline so the powers that be probably are looking into every possibly available to them, also Russia is a very STRONG Christian country), the ones being prosecuted probably could have found better ways in addressing the issue... but they went the route of what they see people do in America thinking it would work for them... as I said before, America =/= World.
Again as I said in how many pages back, how would you know someone is gay? Unless they go around trying announcing it you don't know, that Law could be used to deny anyone the person didn't want to serve because their "religion" won't allow it. Muslim, Indian, Blacks, Chinese, etc, etc all can and probably would be targeted seeing which State it is... The Gov probably going to step in.
David wrote: "Please tell me that gays have it any better than any other minority. ..."
That minority thing.... it's just.... they are labeling gays as a minority, it will be Whites, Blacks, Hispanic, Latinos, Asians, Gays..... yea I don't think that labeling is right.
I really don't want to get into this on a Goodreads page, the thread was actually getting back on topic when the "venting" started again. No one will listen to others or consider their opinions, it will only be "I'm right and you're wrong", one side will start up then the other side will react....
I'm getting a suspicious feeling, that people are just lurking, waiting for someone to say something they don't like, then they can spring.....
You know what I do with most of these comments? Ignore them, because "trying to convince" isn't going to do anything; you're just forcing your views upon someone else and how likes to be forced?
When I posted that piece up there in my previous comment, I just stated the facts as I gathered them from different sources(I swear to you someone is going to ask me for a citation for these "facts"). People are ignoring deeper issues, that if fixed could lead to a better society in place of self gratification... it's just sicken what gets swept under the rug and what gets blasted on media outlets 24/7.
I probably won't be back until I finish my current book. So when I do return there is probably going to be 10 more pages with people and others who saw their friend's update pages(and didn't even read this book), telling me how I am such a bad person and that I am wrong.
I came back because I got 2 emails stating that there were new posts here..... There is none now....
Rachel wrote: "i absolutely love nico. he is my favorite character and has been since he was introduced in the titan's curse. Him being gay changed absolutely NOTHING. hes still a really awesome guy, no matter wh..."Why did you hate Jason?
Lucas wrote: "I just read to where nick admits hes gay and my first thought was: what the hell are u doing rick!!!! But seriously what exactly was he thinking?"I know right! I'm wondering why he would even have thought of that in the first place, much less actually put it in there. I'm not against gays, don't get me wrong, but I think we can agree how that bit could draw some controversy especially from parents, and a YA fiction is hardly the place to start playing social politics. I think it would have been better if it had been left out, but it doesn't really overall change the book for me. Nico is still my favorite character.
Aurora wrote: "I don't think that Nico is gay as in he wants to be in a sexual relationship with Percy. That totally doesn't fit Nico's character to me at all. I think it's more fitting that Nico would have roman..."I agree with everything you just said, both about the subject of homosexuality and especially on whether or not Nico is gay. I couldn't have put it better myself. You summed up my thoughts perfectly.
Neona wrote: "No he can't be gay, Why Rick!!!! I been in love with Nico since I was twelve. *Crying in a corner*"lol I second that!
Cecerose wrote: "Joy wrote: "I agree with Aurora that the House of Hades has done an excellent job of showing us one thing - that when the parents aren't around, the kids' lives are very difficult. There is nothing..."I completely agree about kids being able to decide for themselves. You're completely right that kids are far more intuitive and insightful than they're given credit for. I bet if a younger child joined this discussion, people would notice no difference from the adults talking, although they may be less judgmental about it.
Although, I have one question about your post: When was there a reference to rape in the series? (If it is in the House of Hades or the Blood of Olympus, both of which I have not read/completed, don't tell me)
I don't remember any rape references. I haven't read the books in a while but I'd think that would stay with me.
True, which is why I'm confused that Cecerose put rape was mentioned. I don't mind topics like that is a serious novel, but a more lighthearted series like this, it is not the place.
Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."How is it inappropriate and horrifying? This is in everyday life! What's wrong with an author who supports gay rights? He is supporting the idea for EVERYONE to have happiness in life and not be discriminated against who they are. Let me guess..anti-gay rights? Figures.
Now I will leave this specific topic alone and discuss and talk about what this discussion is suppose to be used for.
Honestly, this whole gay thing is getting tiring and people should just learnt to accept others. You should all watch this one video on youtube of what would it be like if being straight was "bad" and the norm was being gay. It sends a very powerful message.
Josette wrote: "True, which is why I'm confused that Cecerose put rape was mentioned. I don't mind topics like that is a serious novel, but a more lighthearted series like this, it is not the place."Oh! I meant in general, or in Greek myths, to be more specific. Not anything explicit in the actual books. Greek myths are littered with rape stories, which are featured/ referenced in the series, though Rick probably didn't actually say /rape/ by name. I'm pretty sure at least a few kids who read the series have figured that out by now though.
and wow. How is this thread even still active? I feel like it never ends omfg
Cecerose wrote: "Josette wrote: "True, which is why I'm confused that Cecerose put rape was mentioned. I don't mind topics like that is a serious novel, but a more lighthearted series like this, it is not the place..."Since when do threads on the Internet ever end?
Matthew wrote: "Since when do threads on the Internet ever end? "true.
Maddy's right. This is getting to be a bit old. Gays have been around for a long time and I am not offended by them. I have a few friends that are gay. As long as they don't force their lifestyle on me, I'm okay with it. They're not trying to harm anyone, they just want to live their lives their way. And as for kids learning about it, what about those families that have either two males or two females for parents. Don't you think those kids know that their family is different? So if Rick wants to put it in his book, so be it. Kids have to learn sometime. I can remember the time when a black person married a white--that was taboo. Now it's commonplace and accepted. So gays will be the same way.
Comments here--why shouldn't kids learn about gays? When my kids were growing up, they learned there were kids that were different from them--kids that used wheelchairs, kids with spina bifida--they learned to accept those kids. So why can't we accept gays? We could learn a lot from kids. (And I'm not gay besides but they are people and have feelings just like the rest of us.
You guys are acting up too much, on this gay thing. I don't like gays, sure, but that does,'t mean we can't accept them, like us accepting black people. (No Racism trying to be implied).
Aayush wrote: "You guys are acting up too much, on this gay thing. I don't like gays, sure, but that does,'t mean we can't accept them, like us accepting black people. (No Racism trying to be implied)."Welcome to the thread, see you at page 100.
Yes, yes it would be
I can't wait till the fifth book!! :DDD I'm gonna miss these books so much. ;(
I can't wait for the fifth one either.
Cecerose wrote: "Josette wrote: "True, which is why I'm confused that Cecerose put rape was mentioned. I don't mind topics like that is a serious novel, but a more lighthearted series like this, it is not the place..."Oh, that makes more sense.
H99 wrote: "200, more like. This will be a very long thread by the time the fifth book is released."Wait, it hasn't been released yet? Well that explains why it's not in the library. I just thought it was checked out.
Goldenfalcon101 wrote: "Josette wrote: "H99 wrote: "200, more like. This will be a very long thread by the time the fifth book is released."Wait, it hasn't been released yet? Well that explains why it's not in the librar..."
Isn't the month in the back of House of Hades? You know, where it says the title of the next book?
Blood of Olympus will be released on October 7th and you can pre-order from Amazon.com.
Jαṡṃïṉε wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."Please, grow up... the only thing I think is inappropriate is your ignorance. An author who supports human rights? HOW HORRIBLE!
Gay people exist. They have been children, just like Nico. They love, they breathe, they talk, they live. GET OVER IT.
Lucas wrote: "I just read to where nick admits hes gay and my first thought was: what the hell are u doing rick!!!! But seriously what exactly was he thinking?"I dunno... maybe he knows that not everyone is straight?
What amuse me is the fact that everyone keep saying: "This totally took me by surprise". Of course, if we keep thinking that EVERYONE must be straight.
Emmy wrote: "What amuse me is the fact that everyone keep saying: "This totally took me by surprise". Of course, if we keep thinking that EVERYONE must be straight."No it "took people by surprise" because they didn't expect Rick to do it, not because "they think that everyone is straight".
Chris wrote: "Blood of Olympus will be released on October 7th and you can pre-order from Amazon.com."I have to wait six months?????? NOO! *wipes tear*
Josette wrote: "I have to wait six months?????? NOO! *wipes tear* "Do as Avalon and fill the void with another book. There are a bunch of books similar enough to this to weather you through your wait.
Kevin wrote: "Josette wrote: "I have to wait six months?????? NOO! *wipes tear* "Do as Avalon and fill the void with another book. There are a bunch of books similar enough to this to weather you through your ..."
Oh I definitely will. I've built up quit a list of books I want to read this summer. (And it kind of scares me you mention Avalon in a comment I read after starting to rewatch Avalon High, considering I never hear it anywhere else.)
-raises hand- Kevin was talking about me. Me name is Avalon. :P
Oh, haha :) But I still think it's an odd coincidence!
LOL. XDD Is this the first time you've met someone named Avalon..? ;o
I knew it since Nico's first appearance in Titan's Curse! Here's some hints uncle Rick has given us :- In Titan's Curse, Nico asked Percy "Is Annabeth your girlfriend?". I think that's his way on asking if Percy's single
- In SoN, he acted so differently around Percy
there's more hints but I forgot what they are, I need to check again
I like how Rick makes Nico gay/bi. Those gay/bi people needs to realize that they're not alone and it's completely normal for them to be bi/gay!
Thank you Venessa. :)
Ariel wrote: "Thank you Venessa. :)":)
Avalon ~Aza~ wrote: "LOL. XDD Is this the first time you've met someone named Avalon..? ;o"Yes! I've never even heard or Avalon being a name.
My friend claims to be "The No. 1 PJO/HOO fan", but refuses to read HOH after I told her about Nico. Me: ...
A few people have mentioned that it was "inappropriate" for Rick to do this in a children's book. These people are essentially implying that homosexuality is inappropriate for children, and they should be kept away from it.
Me: ...
Really, I think I should have seen it coming. If you reread the series there are several hints. Which means... RICK WAS PLANNING THIS!!!
RICK WAS PLANNING TO MAKE NICO HATE HIMSELF AND JUST GENERALLY FEEL WORTHLESS WITH A MISERABLE LIFE
Me: ...
Overall, je ne suis pas impressed. I love nico and this doesn't change the fact he is an amazing character, but I wish Rick could've written it without making Nico hate himself for it.
I agree with you, Azula! :DD It doesn't change anything about Nico. He's still an amazing character. He just has a lot more depth in him.
Yup. I showed the nico chapter to my mum because she wanted to know why I was so emotional. All she said was:
"There's supposed to be a semi colon there... This could be better written... Aww that's sweet... Another semi colon there... A comma instead of that hyphen"
English teachers huh?
LOL. XDD That sounds a lot like my mom too. She's a part time tutor. -rolls eyes-
TheBlondeGirl wrote: "Is anyone else getting to the point where they don't care about what happens to everyone else and just want Nico to have a happy ending? I am."Me too. Rick said he deserved a happy ending, so maybe we can cross our fingers. Then again, when someone responded "I'm so glad you won't kill him" he said "I said he deserved a happy ending I never said he was going to get one" (paraphrasing here)
Sometimes I really, really, REALLY hate Rick Riordan. In fact, make that authordom in general.
Amelia wrote: "Um... well I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't think he'd put it in because a bunch of younger kids read this. My fifth grade sister just asked, "How can a boy have a crush on a boy?" And I was like..."IM IN FIFTH GRADE AND I SUPPORT GAY ALL THE WAY........ I SHIP THEM SO HARD! I MADE THIS ACCOUNT SO I COULD HATE ON SOME PERCICO HATER.
Grace wrote: "Umm... I really don't know what to say about this, but I thought these books were for 9-12 year-olds."Uhhhhhhhhhhh they are..... It's not like it's inappropriate or anything, it's common nowadays and people gotta accept that people are gay.
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